blaze | KDE Plasma 5.5.4 Has Fixes For Multi-Screen Users | 08:16 |
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blaze | do want | 08:16 |
soee | blaze: package it :D | 08:19 |
=== soee changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly computing | Plasma 5.4.3: W/PPA 5.5.4: X/TODO, Apps 15.08.3: W/PPA, 15.12.0: X/WIP, FW 5.18: X/LANDING | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | Package Docs (WIP) https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-packaging | plasma 5.5 in kubuntu-ppa/ppa-landing for xenial, kubuntu-ppa/backports for wily | ||
=== soee changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly computing | Plasma 5.4.3: W/PPA 5.5.4: X/TODO, Apps 15.08.3: W/PPA, 15.12.1: X/WIP, FW 5.18: X/LANDING | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | Package Docs (WIP) https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-packaging | plasma 5.5 in kubuntu-ppa/ppa-landing for xenial, kubuntu-ppa/backports for wily | ||
valorie | https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.5.4.php & https://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-applications-15.12.1.php published | 08:20 |
soee | valorie: yes, someone has to push it to start building | 08:21 |
soee | clivejo: ^ | 08:21 |
soee | what was the fix for no sound issue ? | 08:37 |
valorie | soee: add yourself to the Audio group | 08:42 |
soee | valorie: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/TheAudioGroup | 08:43 |
soee | This command should not lists any normal user, in fact, everything except "pulse" (which is reserved for system-wide usage of PulseAudio, and is normally not used) is a cause for concern. | 08:43 |
soee | and i have atm: audio:x:29:pulse | 08:44 |
valorie | except that that's the fix that works | 08:45 |
soee | ok, relogin beb | 08:45 |
soee | valorie: running sudo addgroup soee audio | 08:47 |
soee | i still have only dummy output | 08:47 |
valorie | someone had that problem earlier in #kubuntu.... looking to see what he did | 08:48 |
soee | strange all worked fine yesterday | 08:48 |
soee | so some updates i made later chnaged it probably | 08:48 |
soee | and this is Wily only here at work | 08:48 |
valorie | ah, he had to restart pulseaudio | 08:49 |
valorie | I wonder if just the restart of pa would do it | 08:49 |
soee | valorie: did this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/15223/how-can-i-restart-pulseaudio-without-logout | 08:51 |
soee | and have sound back | 08:52 |
valorie | without adding yourself to the audiogroup? | 08:53 |
valorie | sec | 08:53 |
soee | valorie: i did add myself before | 08:53 |
valorie | ok | 08:53 |
valorie | so we'll have to get someone else to test that out | 08:54 |
valorie | restart pa | 08:54 |
valorie | and see if that alone fixes it | 08:54 |
soee | first of all why do this happen | 08:55 |
valorie | "User-defined settings in ~/.pulse/ or ~/.config/pulse/ will override system-wide settings." | 08:56 |
valorie | I wonder if those got changed somehow | 08:56 |
sheytan | Guys, just a small info: when the tray icon shows updates available, it should get hidden right after the update is done. It doesn't and confusing that there are more updates. Please fix :) | 09:56 |
valorie | sheytan: I agree | 10:00 |
valorie | I've not had time to file the bug | 10:00 |
valorie | you could, on bugs.kde.org..... | 10:00 |
soee | Riddell: sheytan i reported this already | 10:01 |
sheytan | soee: Great, thanks. Was about to :) | 10:01 |
soee | one sec. maybe ill find bug report | 10:01 |
soee | sheytan: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358018 | 10:02 |
ubottu | KDE bug 358018 in notifier "Updates icon stays visible in systray when all updates were installed" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 10:02 |
soee | please comment and confirm :) | 10:02 |
yofel | sitter: as overlord of all audio things. Do you have an idea what in frameworks or plasma would cause pulseaudio to only give a dummy output unless you're in the audio group? | 10:03 |
soee | sheytan: the mantainer asked me once to ask others to verivy it and confirm | 10:03 |
soee | yofel: could it be somehow related to kernel bugfix updte ? | 10:04 |
yofel | maybe? I know very little about the audio stack, so I'm clueless | 10:05 |
sitter | yofel: sounds more like a pulseaudio/systemd thing | 10:05 |
* soee wonders if teh updates history can be checked somehow | 10:05 | |
yofel | /var/log/apt/history.log | 10:06 |
valorie | I added my input; thanks soee | 10:06 |
yofel | hm | 10:07 |
soee | yofel: i think for me teh problem started after one of this updtes: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14678203/ | 10:08 |
yofel | sitter: thanks for the input | 10:08 |
yofel | could actually be considering that I didn't hit this right after updating plasma | 10:08 |
soee | valorie: thank you | 10:09 |
yofel | can't check my desktop history before friday. Interstingly my notebook isn't affected so far, just my desktop o.O | 10:10 |
valorie | it worked badly for awhile, then worked | 10:10 |
soee | yofel: smae here, but my laptop uses Xenial | 10:10 |
valorie | so I was surprised after updates that it stopped working again | 10:10 |
yofel | wily here, haven't updated my xenial notebook in a couple days | 10:10 |
valorie | same here | 10:11 |
soee | yofel: +1 | 10:11 |
valorie | too much going on..... | 10:11 |
soee | ;) | 10:11 |
vip | hi ho | 10:11 |
vip | is there any way to change current window highlight colour on the taskbar? | 10:12 |
soee | vip: maybe through System Settings -> Colors | 10:12 |
soee | but this probably will be global change | 10:12 |
sitter | yofel: actually it might be something else entirely to do with systemd or possibly not. I never quite figured out how these things work (might be cgroups or logind?) somehow you can get permissions to write to devices you from a unix permission perspective have no permission to write to | 10:13 |
sitter | it's black magic as far as I am concerned | 10:13 |
sitter | I am pretty sure that your problem is somewhere in the middleware though | 10:13 |
yofel | right, I think pulse should have be on some ACL that gives it access, and suddenly it's not - but I don't know where to start looking :/ | 10:13 |
vip | soee: that was my first guess, but apparently not (changed all bluish to red, and restarted plasmashell), no change | 10:18 |
soee | vip try asking on #plasma | 10:23 |
soee | vip: i think this blue is bad choice, there is a lot of blue icons that are not readable when task item is highlighted | 10:23 |
* valorie heads to bed.... | 10:26 | |
soee | yofel: will you be abel to push 5.5.4 to build? | 11:52 |
yofel | not before friday | 11:52 |
soee | ok :) | 11:53 |
BluesKaj | Hey all | 13:17 |
BluesKaj | made a major change to my 16.04 install, ppa-purged the ci-stable and the landing ppas ...was stuck in limbo with no kserver, which afiak doesn't actually exist on kde, but only the roll back could fix the mess....got too adventurous :-) | 13:27 |
mamarley | And I thought I was being adventurous by leaving the staging PPAs enabled all the time O.o. | 13:28 |
BluesKaj | I was using staging for a while ,bu someone warned me that the packages there were more unstable than any other ppas | 13:30 |
BluesKaj | but | 13:30 |
BluesKaj | always thought the proposed ppa was the most dangerous | 13:33 |
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sgclark | Hi folks, just home from conference. How are things? | 14:28 |
yofel | still drowning in todo's as usual, and the only thing you really missed were the published backports | 14:29 |
yofel | not much happened since then as I ran out of energy | 14:30 |
sgclark | understand | 14:30 |
yofel | nice to see you're back though :) | 14:30 |
sgclark | I am still drained from travel, but will probably knock out the remaining merges to get that nasty to-do gone lol | 14:30 |
sgclark | thanks :) | 14:30 |
* clivejo wishes he could bottle energy from his puppy and ship it to yofel | 14:31 | |
yofel | yeah bummer. Sadly that's still sci-fi | 14:31 |
clivejo | yeah, and nothing around here is safe from being chewed or scratched | 14:33 |
soee | lol :) | 15:40 |
clivejo | soee: you arent doing your job!! | 15:40 |
soee | i logged in, and had plasma session and sddm-greater inside normal window | 15:41 |
yofel | I've seen that happen with sddm-greeter (which really should not be possible), but not with plasma.. | 15:41 |
clivejo | yofel: is there something holding up staging plasma 5.5.4? | 15:42 |
soee | brb, i'm going to setup new pone | 15:42 |
yofel | clivejo: no | 15:42 |
clivejo | oh thought the scripts are broken or PPA not ready | 15:44 |
yofel | no, someone just has to stage it | 15:47 |
yofel | someone other than me if you don't want to wait until the weekend | 15:47 |
sgclark | I need to stop getting distracted from the darn merges :( | 15:49 |
sgclark | shiny stuff is cool, but these seriously need to get done | 15:49 |
soee | oh and now sound is gone on my laptop | 16:00 |
soee | uhm | 16:00 |
yofel | what annoys me the most about that issue is that it feels rather random :( | 16:05 |
soee | i think hat some update might be the reason | 16:08 |
soee | for example, yesterday all worked fine on my laptop and PC at work | 16:09 |
soee | today both failed to load sound | 16:09 |
BluesKaj | soee, lordievader says there's a bug after upgrading , the fix is to add yourself to the audio group | 16:13 |
soee | BluesKaj: yes i know but also some Ubuntu Wiki page states that there should not be any user in that group except pulse | 16:14 |
yofel | which is correct, adding yourself to audio is just a for some reason working workaround | 16:15 |
BluesKaj | soee, intel-hda ? | 16:16 |
soee | on laptop ? | 16:17 |
soee | brb reboot | 16:17 |
soee | back and again sddm-greater in window :) | 16:19 |
soee | there is some serious issue with sddm | 16:20 |
BluesKaj | soee, kserver not found ? | 16:23 |
marco-parillo | Missing LightDM (especially the Guest login) | 16:23 |
soee | BluesKaj: works fine this one | 16:23 |
BluesKaj | I got that message yesterday on the laptop, ppa-purge was required, so i purged both the ci/stable and the landing ppas | 16:25 |
BluesKaj | just installedn the 4.4 kernel ..it fixed a few issues with PIM/akonadi and akregator | 16:25 |
soee | ;] | 16:30 |
yofel | I was about to say "how's that even possible", but this is akoandi.. | 16:32 |
BluesKaj | yofel, well akregator wasn't launching , so i assumed it was PIM/akonadi related problem | 16:33 |
yofel | your ppa-purge probably fixed that | 16:33 |
yofel | and if that was what fixed it, then it was an akonadi issue indeed | 16:34 |
BluesKaj | akregator wouldn't launch after the purge , but I hadn't rebooted yet | 16:40 |
BluesKaj | yofel, you're correct about akregator/akonadi, just launched akregator on my laptop which was ppa-purged as well, but no linux 4.4 kernal installed on it yet. | 16:50 |
BluesKaj | kernel even | 16:51 |
soee | does kde connect worksfor you , can you browse files in dolphin? | 17:47 |
soee | how can i list users in some group ? | 18:15 |
soee | on previous session did killall pulseaudio and pulseaudio and after reboot have my sound back | 18:15 |
soee | but i needed ~ 10 login attempts to be able to get into my session | 18:16 |
soee | all this 10 times i had black screen for a moment with some messages and sddm back | 18:16 |
acher88 | soee: for e.g. audio group 'grep audio /etc/group' | 18:27 |
mikkle | Does the installer for 16.04 daily work now? | 18:30 |
acher88 | soee: or install !members package? | 18:34 |
soee | yeah so only pulse in audio group | 18:36 |
soee | and my sound was restored without adding myself to that roup | 18:37 |
soee | *group | 18:37 |
soee | mikkle: no idea :) i'm on Xenial anyway | 18:37 |
acher88 | that's what I have on a machine that hasn't been changed since install | 18:37 |
soee | brb have to jump to windows since i can't browse phone from dolphin :( | 18:39 |
soee | back | 19:14 |
clivejo | yofel: mind if I do a staging upload for plasma 5.5.4? | 19:23 |
yofel | go ahead | 19:23 |
clivejo | Ill need you to pause KCI later on | 19:23 |
clivejo | but I need to do some laundry first | 19:24 |
* yofel goes back to searching the net for a good way to find latin1 entries in an utf8 mysql DB | 19:25 | |
clivejo | yofel: whats that for? | 19:33 |
yofel | clivejo: I have a database that somehow ended up with mixed encoding, and now some of the older data in it shows up with broken special characters in reports, which I have to fix | 19:35 |
clivejo | oh work related? | 19:36 |
yofel | yep | 19:36 |
ovidiu-florin | yofel: what else got released in backports besides 5.5.3? | 19:45 |
ovidiu-florin | frameworks, right? | 19:45 |
ovidiu-florin | what version? | 19:45 |
yofel | 5.18 | 19:47 |
ovidiu-florin | awesome | 19:49 |
ovidiu-florin | yofel: can you review please: https://kubuntu.org/?p=2487&preview=true | 19:49 |
ovidiu-florin | you need to be logged in | 19:49 |
ovidiu-florin | yofel: I've added a new line, refresh | 19:51 |
yofel | looks ~fine, maybe replace "to testers who hang out" "to all testers who helped out" | 19:52 |
clivejo | hi ovidiu-florin | 19:53 |
* clivejo waves | 19:53 | |
ovidiu-florin | hello clivejo | 19:53 |
clivejo | how are you keeping? | 19:53 |
ovidiu-florin | yofel: anything else? | 19:54 |
ovidiu-florin | clivejo: work, home (more work here), sleep (repeat for ever) | 19:54 |
ovidiu-florin | yofel: do you also agree to the apology? | 19:55 |
ovidiu-florin | clivejo: I'm digging deeper in CMake right now | 19:55 |
ovidiu-florin | I'm kind of working on streamlining the KDE Android SDK | 19:55 |
yofel | yes, mostly. I'm not sure if I like it, but I can't think of something better either. And something should be there | 19:56 |
clivejo | yofel: staging script is failing | 20:00 |
ovidiu-florin | published: https://kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5-5-3-and-frameworks-5-18-0-backported-to-kubuntu-15-10/ | 20:00 |
yofel | clivejo: pastebin please | 20:00 |
* clivejo kicks discover | 20:00 | |
yofel | oh that | 20:00 |
yofel | uhm | 20:00 |
yofel | remove it from the list and do it by hand | 20:01 |
yofel | that'll fix itself for 5.6 | 20:01 |
clivejo | can the script be rerun or do I need to clear out workspace directory? | 20:02 |
yofel | latter | 20:02 |
* clivejo grumbles | 20:03 | |
ovidiu-florin | yofel: I've had a better idea for the closing statement | 20:03 |
yofel | remove the "with" at the end and it's great :) | 20:04 |
yofel | thanks | 20:04 |
clivejo | ovidiu-florin: no need to name and shame us! | 20:07 |
clivejo | just put the "team" | 20:07 |
ovidiu-florin | yofel: what with? | 20:08 |
yofel | ovidiu-florin: "we had to tackle with" -> "we had to tackle" | 20:10 |
* clivejo raises an eyebrow | 20:12 | |
clivejo | https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/ubuntu-rolling-release/ | 20:12 |
clivejo | rolling release ?!? | 20:13 |
yofel | wrong title, there is a "devel" release alias which makes you permanently run the dev release | 20:14 |
yofel | which is a rolling release in some sense | 20:14 |
BluesKaj | in effect yeah, constant updates and upgrades testing the OS | 20:17 |
clivejo | but its devel? | 20:17 |
yofel | yeah, that's the only "rolling" thing we have | 20:17 |
yofel | with all the proposed-migration QA we have these days it's not worse than running debian testing | 20:18 |
yofel | so if people don't mind the occasional bug, it does the job | 20:18 |
clivejo | yofel: I wont push the removal of plasma-discover? | 20:30 |
clivejo | yofel: can you pause KCI please? | 20:35 |
clivejo | or ovidiu-florin if you can | 20:38 |
yofel | started it | 20:39 |
yofel | wait for it to actually start though | 20:39 |
clivejo | hummm why didnt it say here | 20:39 |
yofel | there, took a while o.O | 20:39 |
clivejo | that was weird | 20:39 |
yofel | the button queues the build, it has to actually start to take effect | 20:39 |
clivejo | ok done | 20:42 |
claydoh | lol I commented on the 'rolling ubuntu' post, we'll see if it approved. | 20:43 |
clivejo | plasma-workspace has some merge madness going on | 20:49 |
clivejo | how do I manually grab discover tarball from depot? | 21:14 |
Riddell | clivejo: wget http://download.kde.org/stable/plasma/5.5.4/discover-5.5.4.tar.xz | 21:19 |
clivejo | is it properly released? | 21:19 |
clivejo | thought it was devel preview | 21:20 |
Riddell | yes, I do plasma releases on same day for bugfixes | 21:20 |
soee_ | Riddell: whats sddm version Neon uses ? | 21:23 |
clivejo | Riddell yofel: two patches for discover upstream_fix_crash_on_pkglist_refresh.diff & upstream_prevent_misleading_notification.diff | 21:24 |
clivejo | is it safe to remove them? | 21:25 |
yofel | drop | 21:25 |
clivejo | both? | 21:25 |
yofel | both | 21:25 |
clivejo | :) done | 21:25 |
soee_ | they are in 5.5.4 | 21:26 |
clivejo | yofel: you keeping an eye on me? | 21:28 |
clivejo | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/plasma/build_status_5.5.4_xenial.html | 21:28 |
yofel | not really, just having IRC open in a corner of my screen | 21:29 |
yofel | well, bottom edge really | 21:29 |
clivejo | I think I have them all uploaded now# | 21:29 |
clivejo | FFS!! | 21:29 |
clivejo | fix one thing and break another! | 21:30 |
yofel | I think those are mostly my fault? | 21:30 |
clivejo | You're suspected of having broken merger_libkscreen | 21:30 |
clivejo | yofel: did plasma 5.5.3 not get into the archive? | 21:31 |
yofel | nope | 21:31 |
clivejo | hummm | 21:31 |
yofel | this week is A2 freeze anyway, so lets just get .4 done | 21:31 |
soee_ | "Ah, but anyone who prefers to use Muon Package Manager (not the Software Center or Updater) will be disapointed as it is not functional in 5.5.3 (have to use Aptitude instead)." | 21:32 |
soee_ | https://plus.google.com/u/0/110954078302330754910/posts/eCp1nkJn5vb | 21:33 |
clivejo | soee_: you like breaking your system? | 21:33 |
yofel | still waiting for a discover-compatible muon release | 21:33 |
soee_ | clivejo: what life would be when all would work just fine ... booring :) | 21:34 |
yofel | otherwise someone would have to hack that into the muon package. Volunteers welcome | 21:34 |
clivejo | soee_: plasma 5.5.4 is in staging :P | 21:34 |
soee_ | clivejo: it has red packages | 21:34 |
soee_ | and some are still building | 21:35 |
soee_ | so i'll wait for this 3 bulding atm. and test it than | 21:35 |
clivejo | just discover as far as I can see | 21:36 |
clivejo | I uploaded it, but its not showing | 21:36 |
soee_ | clivejo: can you remove plasma-discover - 5.5.3a-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa7 from staging ? | 21:36 |
clivejo | thats strange | 21:36 |
soee_ | clivejo: dicover is ready | 21:36 |
clivejo | I uploaded plasma-discover - 5.5.4 | 21:36 |
soee_ | in fact all are ust not published yet | 21:36 |
soee_ | clivejo: yes and its there: plasma-discover - 5.5.4-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa1 | 21:37 |
clivejo | https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-plasma/+build/8904731 | 21:38 |
clivejo | but the status page doesnt seem to see it :/ | 21:38 |
soee_ | status page is refreshed each 4 in i think | 21:38 |
soee_ | *4 min | 21:38 |
yofel | 10 min | 21:39 |
yofel | and it doesn't track Pending packages | 21:39 |
soee_ | clivejo: wil you start backport also ? | 21:39 |
clivejo | soee_: I dont know how | 21:40 |
clivejo | I dont know how to merge either :? | 21:40 |
soee_ | yofel: ^ is it some complex process ? | 21:40 |
yofel | not really, if you read kubuntu-batch-backport-git you see mostly what I did last time | 21:40 |
yofel | currently that script is just a braindump, not something runnable, but it has the steps | 21:41 |
clivejo | I want to learn how to merge, so I can help with apps | 21:41 |
clivejo | who needs backports anyways :P | 21:42 |
clivejo | rolling releases are the way forward | 21:42 |
soee_ | :) | 21:42 |
* clivejo hides | 21:42 | |
yofel | go use arch you freakin' scumbag troll who doesn't care about users and .. | 21:43 |
yofel | ok, back to serious mode | 21:43 |
soee_ | hmm, why launchapd is so slow with publishing builds ? | 21:44 |
yofel | dunno, looks like the job like twice an hour or so these days | 21:44 |
yofel | *runs like | 21:44 |
Quintasan | how the hell do I stop pbuilder from running that adt magic, or at least how do I exit cleanly? | 21:50 |
yofel | Quintasan: chmod -x the hook that runs it | 21:51 |
yofel | latter I don't know | 21:51 |
soee_ | clivejo: smooth upgrade, rebooting now | 22:06 |
soee_ | brb | 22:06 |
soee | and back | 22:07 |
soee | clivejo: all fine :) great work on 5.5.4 | 22:08 |
clivejo | soee: good to hear | 22:08 |
soee | clivejo: moving it to landing ? | 22:12 |
clivejo | soee: does it fix your multiple screen issue? | 22:12 |
acher88 | staging-plasma? | 22:12 |
soee | what issue? | 22:12 |
soee | i do not use here multiple screens setup | 22:13 |
clivejo | someone wanted 5.5.4 packages to fix a multi screen issue | 22:13 |
soee | acher88: yes | 22:13 |
clivejo | ah it wasnt you | 22:14 |
clivejo | <blaze> KDE Plasma 5.5.4 Has Fixes For Multi-Screen Users | 22:14 |
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acher88 | will try those in the morning then | 22:14 |
soee | acher88: +1 :) | 22:14 |
clivejo | soee: Ill wait til yofel or sgclark give it the go ahead | 22:15 |
soee | clivejo: oki | 22:15 |
yofel | do a small update test by yourself in pbuilder or so, then copy it to landing | 22:15 |
clivejo | dont want to mess things up or step on toes | 22:15 |
sgclark | clivejo: testing now. | 22:16 |
acher88 | in that case I'll find my laptop and test now | 22:17 |
acher88 | that upgrade was nice and quick, and back into new plasma without any obvious initial probs | 22:25 |
clivejo | does discover work? | 22:27 |
* acher88 hangs head as usually uses synaptic | 22:28 | |
acher88 | I'll try | 22:28 |
soee | it works but for me it is messed up - design, some broken function - but this si upstream | 22:28 |
clivejo | soee: what happens if there are upgrades to packages? | 22:28 |
soee | happens where ? | 22:29 |
clivejo | the update icon thingie-ma-bob | 22:30 |
soee | this is not fixed in this version if you are talking about updates icon visible after install | 22:30 |
clivejo | when is it to be fixed? | 22:31 |
clivejo | .5? | 22:31 |
soee | no idea, there is no fix for it yet | 22:31 |
mamarley | Plasma 5.5.4 is working fine on the three systems I just upgraded. Thanks clivejo! | 22:32 |
soee | ! :D | 22:32 |
ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about D | 22:32 |
soee | you ubottu dumb :) | 22:33 |
mamarley | soee: I figure if I am going to break my systems, I might as well break them all at the same time! xD | 22:33 |
soee | hihi :D | 22:34 |
soee | ok, time to get some sleep. again clivejo: thanks for great work! | 22:35 |
clivejo | thanks, but you should really thank upstream! | 22:38 |
clivejo | I just run a script :/ | 22:38 |
acher88 | yep, looks good :) | 22:38 |
acher88 | although I've 'discovered' that 'discover' just makes me want to run 'apt-get purge plasma-discover' | 22:39 |
clivejo | I still dont like the icons | 22:39 |
* clivejo changes back to 5.4 plasma theme | 22:40 | |
sgclark | clivejo: yofel: 5.5.4 looks good to me so far | 23:31 |
sgclark | ugh, busy all day and accomplished nothing. | 23:32 |
genii | I feel like that almost every day | 23:34 |
* genii makes another pot of coffee and passes the mugs around | 23:34 | |
yofel | right? ^^ | 23:34 |
yofel | :D | 23:34 |
sgclark | lol | 23:35 |
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