[08:16] KDE Plasma 5.5.4 Has Fixes For Multi-Screen Users [08:16] do want [08:19] blaze: package it :D === soee changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly computing | Plasma 5.4.3: W/PPA 5.5.4: X/TODO, Apps 15.08.3: W/PPA, 15.12.0: X/WIP, FW 5.18: X/LANDING | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | Package Docs (WIP) https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-packaging | plasma 5.5 in kubuntu-ppa/ppa-landing for xenial, kubuntu-ppa/backports for wily === soee changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly computing | Plasma 5.4.3: W/PPA 5.5.4: X/TODO, Apps 15.08.3: W/PPA, 15.12.1: X/WIP, FW 5.18: X/LANDING | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | Package Docs (WIP) https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-packaging | plasma 5.5 in kubuntu-ppa/ppa-landing for xenial, kubuntu-ppa/backports for wily [08:20] https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.5.4.php & https://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-applications-15.12.1.php published [08:21] valorie: yes, someone has to push it to start building [08:21] clivejo: ^ [08:37] what was the fix for no sound issue ? [08:42] soee: add yourself to the Audio group [08:43] valorie: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/TheAudioGroup [08:43] This command should not lists any normal user, in fact, everything except "pulse" (which is reserved for system-wide usage of PulseAudio, and is normally not used) is a cause for concern. [08:44] and i have atm: audio:x:29:pulse [08:45] except that that's the fix that works [08:45] ok, relogin beb [08:47] valorie: running sudo addgroup soee audio [08:47] i still have only dummy output [08:48] someone had that problem earlier in #kubuntu.... looking to see what he did [08:48] strange all worked fine yesterday [08:48] so some updates i made later chnaged it probably [08:48] and this is Wily only here at work [08:49] ah, he had to restart pulseaudio [08:49] I wonder if just the restart of pa would do it [08:51] valorie: did this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/15223/how-can-i-restart-pulseaudio-without-logout [08:52] and have sound back [08:53] without adding yourself to the audiogroup? [08:53] sec [08:53] valorie: i did add myself before [08:53] ok [08:54] so we'll have to get someone else to test that out [08:54] restart pa [08:54] and see if that alone fixes it [08:55] first of all why do this happen [08:56] "User-defined settings in ~/.pulse/ or ~/.config/pulse/ will override system-wide settings." [08:56] I wonder if those got changed somehow [09:56] Guys, just a small info: when the tray icon shows updates available, it should get hidden right after the update is done. It doesn't and confusing that there are more updates. Please fix :) [10:00] sheytan: I agree [10:00] I've not had time to file the bug [10:00] you could, on bugs.kde.org..... [10:01] Riddell: sheytan i reported this already [10:01] soee: Great, thanks. Was about to :) [10:01] one sec. maybe ill find bug report [10:02] sheytan: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358018 [10:02] KDE bug 358018 in notifier "Updates icon stays visible in systray when all updates were installed" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [10:02] please comment and confirm :) [10:03] sitter: as overlord of all audio things. Do you have an idea what in frameworks or plasma would cause pulseaudio to only give a dummy output unless you're in the audio group? [10:03] sheytan: the mantainer asked me once to ask others to verivy it and confirm [10:04] yofel: could it be somehow related to kernel bugfix updte ? [10:05] maybe? I know very little about the audio stack, so I'm clueless [10:05] yofel: sounds more like a pulseaudio/systemd thing [10:05] * soee wonders if teh updates history can be checked somehow [10:06] /var/log/apt/history.log [10:06] I added my input; thanks soee [10:07] hm [10:08] yofel: i think for me teh problem started after one of this updtes: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14678203/ [10:08] sitter: thanks for the input [10:08] could actually be considering that I didn't hit this right after updating plasma [10:09] valorie: thank you [10:10] can't check my desktop history before friday. Interstingly my notebook isn't affected so far, just my desktop o.O [10:10] it worked badly for awhile, then worked [10:10] yofel: smae here, but my laptop uses Xenial [10:10] so I was surprised after updates that it stopped working again [10:10] wily here, haven't updated my xenial notebook in a couple days [10:11] same here [10:11] yofel: +1 [10:11] too much going on..... [10:11] ;) [10:11] hi ho [10:12] is there any way to change current window highlight colour on the taskbar? [10:12] vip: maybe through System Settings -> Colors [10:12] but this probably will be global change [10:13] yofel: actually it might be something else entirely to do with systemd or possibly not. I never quite figured out how these things work (might be cgroups or logind?) somehow you can get permissions to write to devices you from a unix permission perspective have no permission to write to [10:13] it's black magic as far as I am concerned [10:13] I am pretty sure that your problem is somewhere in the middleware though [10:13] right, I think pulse should have be on some ACL that gives it access, and suddenly it's not - but I don't know where to start looking :/ [10:18] soee: that was my first guess, but apparently not (changed all bluish to red, and restarted plasmashell), no change [10:23] vip try asking on #plasma [10:23] vip: i think this blue is bad choice, there is a lot of blue icons that are not readable when task item is highlighted [10:26] * valorie heads to bed.... [11:52] yofel: will you be abel to push 5.5.4 to build? [11:52] not before friday [11:53] ok :) [13:17] Hey all [13:27] made a major change to my 16.04 install, ppa-purged the ci-stable and the landing ppas ...was stuck in limbo with no kserver, which afiak doesn't actually exist on kde, but only the roll back could fix the mess....got too adventurous :-) [13:28] And I thought I was being adventurous by leaving the staging PPAs enabled all the time O.o. [13:30] I was using staging for a while ,bu someone warned me that the packages there were more unstable than any other ppas [13:30] but [13:33] always thought the proposed ppa was the most dangerous === je4d_ is now known as je4d [14:28] Hi folks, just home from conference. How are things? [14:29] still drowning in todo's as usual, and the only thing you really missed were the published backports [14:30] not much happened since then as I ran out of energy [14:30] understand [14:30] nice to see you're back though :) [14:30] I am still drained from travel, but will probably knock out the remaining merges to get that nasty to-do gone lol [14:30] thanks :) [14:31] * clivejo wishes he could bottle energy from his puppy and ship it to yofel [14:31] yeah bummer. Sadly that's still sci-fi [14:33] yeah, and nothing around here is safe from being chewed or scratched [15:40] lol :) [15:40] soee: you arent doing your job!! [15:41] i logged in, and had plasma session and sddm-greater inside normal window [15:41] I've seen that happen with sddm-greeter (which really should not be possible), but not with plasma.. [15:42] yofel: is there something holding up staging plasma 5.5.4? [15:42] brb, i'm going to setup new pone [15:42] clivejo: no [15:44] oh thought the scripts are broken or PPA not ready [15:47] no, someone just has to stage it [15:47] someone other than me if you don't want to wait until the weekend [15:49] I need to stop getting distracted from the darn merges :( [15:49] shiny stuff is cool, but these seriously need to get done [16:00] oh and now sound is gone on my laptop [16:00] uhm [16:05] what annoys me the most about that issue is that it feels rather random :( [16:08] i think hat some update might be the reason [16:09] for example, yesterday all worked fine on my laptop and PC at work [16:09] today both failed to load sound [16:13] soee, lordievader says there's a bug after upgrading , the fix is to add yourself to the audio group [16:14] BluesKaj: yes i know but also some Ubuntu Wiki page states that there should not be any user in that group except pulse [16:15] which is correct, adding yourself to audio is just a for some reason working workaround [16:16] soee, intel-hda ? [16:17] on laptop ? [16:17] brb reboot [16:19] back and again sddm-greater in window :) [16:20] there is some serious issue with sddm [16:23] soee, kserver not found ? [16:23] Missing LightDM (especially the Guest login) [16:23] BluesKaj: works fine this one [16:25] I got that message yesterday on the laptop, ppa-purge was required, so i purged both the ci/stable and the landing ppas [16:25] just installedn the 4.4 kernel ..it fixed a few issues with PIM/akonadi and akregator [16:30] ;] [16:32] I was about to say "how's that even possible", but this is akoandi.. [16:33] yofel, well akregator wasn't launching , so i assumed it was PIM/akonadi related problem [16:33] your ppa-purge probably fixed that [16:34] and if that was what fixed it, then it was an akonadi issue indeed [16:40] akregator wouldn't launch after the purge , but I hadn't rebooted yet [16:50] yofel, you're correct about akregator/akonadi, just launched akregator on my laptop which was ppa-purged as well, but no linux 4.4 kernal installed on it yet. [16:51] kernel even [17:47] does kde connect worksfor you , can you browse files in dolphin? [18:15] how can i list users in some group ? [18:15] on previous session did killall pulseaudio and pulseaudio and after reboot have my sound back [18:16] but i needed ~ 10 login attempts to be able to get into my session [18:16] all this 10 times i had black screen for a moment with some messages and sddm back [18:27] soee: for e.g. audio group 'grep audio /etc/group' [18:30] Does the installer for 16.04 daily work now? [18:34] soee: or install !members package? [18:36] yeah so only pulse in audio group [18:37] and my sound was restored without adding myself to that roup [18:37] *group [18:37] mikkle: no idea :) i'm on Xenial anyway [18:37] that's what I have on a machine that hasn't been changed since install [18:39] brb have to jump to windows since i can't browse phone from dolphin :( [19:14] back [19:23] yofel: mind if I do a staging upload for plasma 5.5.4? [19:23] go ahead [19:23] Ill need you to pause KCI later on [19:24] but I need to do some laundry first [19:25] * yofel goes back to searching the net for a good way to find latin1 entries in an utf8 mysql DB [19:33] yofel: whats that for? [19:35] clivejo: I have a database that somehow ended up with mixed encoding, and now some of the older data in it shows up with broken special characters in reports, which I have to fix [19:36] oh work related? [19:36] yep [19:45] yofel: what else got released in backports besides 5.5.3? [19:45] frameworks, right? [19:45] what version? [19:47] 5.18 [19:49] awesome [19:49] yofel: can you review please: https://kubuntu.org/?p=2487&preview=true [19:49] you need to be logged in [19:51] yofel: I've added a new line, refresh [19:52] looks ~fine, maybe replace "to testers who hang out" "to all testers who helped out" [19:53] hi ovidiu-florin [19:53] * clivejo waves [19:53] hello clivejo [19:53] how are you keeping? [19:54] yofel: anything else? [19:54] clivejo: work, home (more work here), sleep (repeat for ever) [19:55] yofel: do you also agree to the apology? [19:55] clivejo: I'm digging deeper in CMake right now [19:55] I'm kind of working on streamlining the KDE Android SDK [19:56] yes, mostly. I'm not sure if I like it, but I can't think of something better either. And something should be there [20:00] yofel: staging script is failing [20:00] published: https://kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5-5-3-and-frameworks-5-18-0-backported-to-kubuntu-15-10/ [20:00] clivejo: pastebin please [20:00] * clivejo kicks discover [20:00] oh that [20:00] uhm [20:01] remove it from the list and do it by hand [20:01] that'll fix itself for 5.6 [20:02] can the script be rerun or do I need to clear out workspace directory? [20:02] latter [20:03] * clivejo grumbles [20:03] yofel: I've had a better idea for the closing statement [20:04] remove the "with" at the end and it's great :) [20:04] thanks [20:07] ovidiu-florin: no need to name and shame us! [20:07] just put the "team" [20:08] yofel: what with? [20:10] ovidiu-florin: "we had to tackle with" -> "we had to tackle" [20:12] * clivejo raises an eyebrow [20:12] https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/ubuntu-rolling-release/ [20:13] rolling release ?!? [20:14] wrong title, there is a "devel" release alias which makes you permanently run the dev release [20:14] which is a rolling release in some sense [20:17] in effect yeah, constant updates and upgrades testing the OS [20:17] but its devel? [20:17] yeah, that's the only "rolling" thing we have [20:18] with all the proposed-migration QA we have these days it's not worse than running debian testing [20:18] so if people don't mind the occasional bug, it does the job [20:30] yofel: I wont push the removal of plasma-discover? [20:35] yofel: can you pause KCI please? [20:38] or ovidiu-florin if you can [20:39] started it [20:39] wait for it to actually start though [20:39] hummm why didnt it say here [20:39] there, took a while o.O [20:39] that was weird [20:39] the button queues the build, it has to actually start to take effect [20:42] ok done [20:43] lol I commented on the 'rolling ubuntu' post, we'll see if it approved. [20:49] plasma-workspace has some merge madness going on [21:14] how do I manually grab discover tarball from depot? [21:19] clivejo: wget http://download.kde.org/stable/plasma/5.5.4/discover-5.5.4.tar.xz [21:19] is it properly released? [21:20] thought it was devel preview [21:20] yes, I do plasma releases on same day for bugfixes [21:23] Riddell: whats sddm version Neon uses ? [21:24] Riddell yofel: two patches for discover upstream_fix_crash_on_pkglist_refresh.diff & upstream_prevent_misleading_notification.diff [21:25] is it safe to remove them? [21:25] drop [21:25] both? [21:25] both [21:25] :) done [21:26] they are in 5.5.4 [21:28] yofel: you keeping an eye on me? [21:28] http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/plasma/build_status_5.5.4_xenial.html [21:29] not really, just having IRC open in a corner of my screen [21:29] well, bottom edge really [21:29] I think I have them all uploaded now# [21:29] FFS!! [21:30] fix one thing and break another! [21:30] I think those are mostly my fault? [21:30] You're suspected of having broken merger_libkscreen [21:31] yofel: did plasma 5.5.3 not get into the archive? [21:31] nope [21:31] hummm [21:31] this week is A2 freeze anyway, so lets just get .4 done [21:32] "Ah, but anyone who prefers to use Muon Package Manager (not the Software Center or Updater) will be disapointed as it is not functional in 5.5.3 (have to use Aptitude instead)." [21:33] https://plus.google.com/u/0/110954078302330754910/posts/eCp1nkJn5vb [21:33] soee_: you like breaking your system? [21:33] still waiting for a discover-compatible muon release [21:34] clivejo: what life would be when all would work just fine ... booring :) [21:34] otherwise someone would have to hack that into the muon package. Volunteers welcome [21:34] soee_: plasma 5.5.4 is in staging :P [21:34] clivejo: it has red packages [21:35] and some are still building [21:35] so i'll wait for this 3 bulding atm. and test it than [21:36] just discover as far as I can see [21:36] I uploaded it, but its not showing [21:36] clivejo: can you remove plasma-discover - 5.5.3a-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa7 from staging ? [21:36] thats strange [21:36] clivejo: dicover is ready [21:36] I uploaded plasma-discover - 5.5.4 [21:36] in fact all are ust not published yet [21:37] clivejo: yes and its there: plasma-discover - 5.5.4-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa1 [21:38] https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-plasma/+build/8904731 [21:38] but the status page doesnt seem to see it :/ [21:38] status page is refreshed each 4 in i think [21:38] *4 min [21:39] 10 min [21:39] and it doesn't track Pending packages [21:39] clivejo: wil you start backport also ? [21:40] soee_: I dont know how [21:40] I dont know how to merge either :? [21:40] yofel: ^ is it some complex process ? [21:40] not really, if you read kubuntu-batch-backport-git you see mostly what I did last time [21:41] currently that script is just a braindump, not something runnable, but it has the steps [21:41] I want to learn how to merge, so I can help with apps [21:42] who needs backports anyways :P [21:42] rolling releases are the way forward [21:42] :) [21:42] * clivejo hides [21:43] go use arch you freakin' scumbag troll who doesn't care about users and .. [21:43] ok, back to serious mode [21:44] hmm, why launchapd is so slow with publishing builds ? [21:44] dunno, looks like the job like twice an hour or so these days [21:44] *runs like [21:50] how the hell do I stop pbuilder from running that adt magic, or at least how do I exit cleanly? [21:51] Quintasan: chmod -x the hook that runs it [21:51] latter I don't know [22:06] clivejo: smooth upgrade, rebooting now [22:06] brb [22:07] and back [22:08] clivejo: all fine :) great work on 5.5.4 [22:08] soee: good to hear [22:12] clivejo: moving it to landing ? [22:12] soee: does it fix your multiple screen issue? [22:12] staging-plasma? [22:12] what issue? [22:13] i do not use here multiple screens setup [22:13] someone wanted 5.5.4 packages to fix a multi screen issue [22:13] acher88: yes [22:14] ah it wasnt you [22:14] KDE Plasma 5.5.4 Has Fixes For Multi-Screen Users === invalid is now known as dougl [22:14] will try those in the morning then [22:14] acher88: +1 :) [22:15] soee: Ill wait til yofel or sgclark give it the go ahead [22:15] clivejo: oki [22:15] do a small update test by yourself in pbuilder or so, then copy it to landing [22:15] dont want to mess things up or step on toes [22:16] clivejo: testing now. [22:17] in that case I'll find my laptop and test now [22:25] that upgrade was nice and quick, and back into new plasma without any obvious initial probs [22:27] does discover work? [22:28] * acher88 hangs head as usually uses synaptic [22:28] I'll try [22:28] it works but for me it is messed up - design, some broken function - but this si upstream [22:28] soee: what happens if there are upgrades to packages? [22:29] happens where ? [22:30] the update icon thingie-ma-bob [22:30] this is not fixed in this version if you are talking about updates icon visible after install [22:31] when is it to be fixed? [22:31] .5? [22:31] no idea, there is no fix for it yet [22:32] Plasma 5.5.4 is working fine on the three systems I just upgraded. Thanks clivejo! [22:32] ! :D [22:32] Sorry, I don't know anything about D [22:33] you ubottu dumb :) [22:33] soee: I figure if I am going to break my systems, I might as well break them all at the same time! xD [22:34] hihi :D [22:35] ok, time to get some sleep. again clivejo: thanks for great work! [22:38] thanks, but you should really thank upstream! [22:38] I just run a script :/ [22:38] yep, looks good :) [22:39] although I've 'discovered' that 'discover' just makes me want to run 'apt-get purge plasma-discover' [22:39] I still dont like the icons [22:40] * clivejo changes back to 5.4 plasma theme [23:31] clivejo: yofel: 5.5.4 looks good to me so far [23:32] ugh, busy all day and accomplished nothing. [23:34] I feel like that almost every day [23:34] * genii makes another pot of coffee and passes the mugs around [23:34] right? ^^ [23:34] :D [23:35] lol