[08:16] <blaze> KDE Plasma 5.5.4 Has Fixes For Multi-Screen Users
[08:16] <blaze> do want
[08:19] <soee> blaze: package it :D
[08:20] <valorie> https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma-5.5.4.php & https://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-applications-15.12.1.php published
[08:21] <soee> valorie: yes, someone has to push it to start building
[08:21] <soee> clivejo: ^ 
[08:37] <soee> what was the fix for no sound issue ?
[08:42] <valorie> soee: add yourself to the Audio group
[08:43] <soee> valorie: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/TheAudioGroup
[08:43] <soee> This command should not lists any normal user, in fact, everything except "pulse" (which is reserved for system-wide usage of PulseAudio, and is normally not used) is a cause for concern.
[08:44] <soee> and i have atm: audio:x:29:pulse
[08:45] <valorie> except that that's the fix that works
[08:45] <soee> ok, relogin beb
[08:47] <soee> valorie: running sudo addgroup soee audio
[08:47] <soee> i still have only dummy output
[08:48] <valorie> someone had that problem earlier in #kubuntu.... looking to see what he did
[08:48] <soee> strange all worked fine yesterday
[08:48] <soee> so some updates i made later chnaged it probably
[08:48] <soee> and this is Wily only here at work
[08:49] <valorie> ah, he had to restart pulseaudio
[08:49] <valorie> I wonder if just the restart of pa would do it
[08:51] <soee> valorie: did this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/15223/how-can-i-restart-pulseaudio-without-logout
[08:52] <soee> and have sound back
[08:53] <valorie> without adding yourself to the audiogroup?
[08:53] <valorie> sec
[08:53] <soee> valorie: i did add myself before
[08:53] <valorie> ok
[08:54] <valorie> so we'll have to get someone else to test that out
[08:54] <valorie> restart pa
[08:54] <valorie> and see if that alone fixes it
[08:55] <soee> first of all why do this happen
[08:56] <valorie> "User-defined settings in ~/.pulse/ or ~/.config/pulse/ will override system-wide settings."
[08:56] <valorie> I wonder if those got changed somehow
[09:56] <sheytan> Guys, just a small info: when the tray icon shows updates available, it should get hidden right after the update is done. It doesn't and confusing that there are more updates. Please fix :)
[10:00] <valorie> sheytan: I agree
[10:00] <valorie> I've not had time to file the bug
[10:00] <valorie> you could, on bugs.kde.org.....
[10:01] <soee> Riddell: sheytan i reported this already
[10:01] <sheytan> soee: Great, thanks. Was about to :)
[10:01] <soee> one sec. maybe ill find bug report
[10:02] <soee> sheytan: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358018
[10:02] <soee> please comment and confirm :)
[10:03] <yofel> sitter: as overlord of all audio things. Do you have an idea what in frameworks or plasma would cause pulseaudio to only give a dummy output unless you're in the audio group?
[10:03] <soee> sheytan: the mantainer asked me once to ask others to verivy it and confirm
[10:04] <soee> yofel: could it be somehow related to kernel bugfix updte ?
[10:05] <yofel> maybe? I know very little about the audio stack, so I'm clueless
[10:05] <sitter> yofel: sounds more like a pulseaudio/systemd thing
[10:05]  * soee wonders if teh updates history can be checked somehow
[10:06] <yofel> /var/log/apt/history.log
[10:06] <valorie> I added my input; thanks soee
[10:07] <yofel> hm
[10:08] <soee> yofel: i think for me teh problem started after one of this updtes: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14678203/
[10:08] <yofel> sitter: thanks for the input
[10:08] <yofel> could actually be considering that I didn't hit this right after updating plasma
[10:09] <soee> valorie: thank you
[10:10] <yofel> can't check my desktop history before friday. Interstingly my notebook isn't affected so far, just my desktop o.O
[10:10] <valorie> it worked badly for awhile, then worked
[10:10] <soee> yofel: smae here, but my laptop uses Xenial
[10:10] <valorie> so I was surprised after updates that it stopped working again
[10:10] <yofel> wily here, haven't updated my xenial notebook in a couple days
[10:11] <valorie> same here
[10:11] <soee> yofel: +1
[10:11] <valorie> too much going on..... 
[10:11] <soee> ;)
[10:11] <vip> hi ho
[10:12] <vip> is there any way to change current window highlight colour on the taskbar?
[10:12] <soee> vip: maybe through System Settings -> Colors
[10:12] <soee> but this probably will be global change
[10:13] <sitter> yofel: actually it might be something else entirely to do with systemd or possibly not. I never quite figured out how these things work (might be cgroups or logind?) somehow you can get permissions to write to devices you from a unix permission perspective have no permission to write to
[10:13] <sitter> it's black magic as far as I am concerned
[10:13] <sitter> I am pretty sure that your problem is somewhere in the middleware though
[10:13] <yofel> right, I think pulse should have be on some ACL that gives it access, and suddenly it's not - but I don't know where to start looking :/
[10:18] <vip> soee: that was my first guess, but apparently not (changed all bluish to red, and restarted plasmashell), no change
[10:23] <soee> vip try asking on #plasma
[10:23] <soee> vip: i think this blue is bad choice, there is a lot of blue icons that are not readable when task item is highlighted
[10:26]  * valorie heads to bed....
[11:52] <soee> yofel: will you be abel to push 5.5.4 to build?
[11:52] <yofel> not before friday
[11:53] <soee> ok :)
[13:17] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:27] <BluesKaj> made a major change to my 16.04 install, ppa-purged the ci-stable and the landing ppas ...was stuck in limbo with no kserver, which afiak doesn't actually exist on kde, but only the roll back could fix the mess....got too adventurous :-)
[13:28] <mamarley> And I thought I was being adventurous by leaving the staging PPAs enabled all the time O.o.
[13:30] <BluesKaj> I was using staging for a while ,bu someone warned me that the packages there were more unstable than any other ppas
[13:30] <BluesKaj> but
[13:33] <BluesKaj> always thought the proposed ppa was the most dangerous
[14:28] <sgclark> Hi folks, just home from conference. How are things?
[14:29] <yofel> still drowning in todo's as usual, and the only thing you really missed were the published backports
[14:30] <yofel> not much happened since then as I ran out of energy
[14:30] <sgclark> understand
[14:30] <yofel> nice to see you're back though :)
[14:30] <sgclark> I am still drained from travel, but will probably knock out the remaining merges to get that nasty to-do gone lol
[14:30] <sgclark> thanks :)
[14:31]  * clivejo wishes he could bottle energy from his puppy and ship it to yofel
[14:31] <yofel> yeah bummer. Sadly that's still sci-fi
[14:33] <clivejo> yeah, and nothing around here is safe from being chewed or scratched
[15:40] <soee> lol :)
[15:40] <clivejo> soee: you arent doing your job!!
[15:41] <soee> i logged in, and had plasma session and sddm-greater inside normal window
[15:41] <yofel> I've seen that happen with sddm-greeter (which really should not be possible), but not with plasma..
[15:42] <clivejo> yofel: is there something holding up staging plasma 5.5.4?
[15:42] <soee> brb, i'm going to setup new pone
[15:42] <yofel> clivejo: no
[15:44] <clivejo> oh thought the scripts are broken or PPA not ready
[15:47] <yofel> no, someone just has to stage it
[15:47] <yofel> someone other than me if you don't want to wait until the weekend
[15:49] <sgclark> I need to stop getting distracted from the darn merges :(
[15:49] <sgclark> shiny stuff is cool, but these seriously need to get done
[16:00] <soee> oh and now sound is gone on my laptop
[16:00] <soee> uhm
[16:05] <yofel> what annoys me the most about that issue is that it feels rather random :(
[16:08] <soee> i think hat some update might be the reason
[16:09] <soee> for example, yesterday all worked fine on my laptop and PC at work
[16:09] <soee> today both failed to load sound
[16:13] <BluesKaj> soee, lordievader says there's a bug after upgrading , the fix is to add yourself to the audio group
[16:14] <soee> BluesKaj: yes i know but also some Ubuntu Wiki page states that there should not be any user in that group except pulse
[16:15] <yofel> which is correct, adding yourself to audio is just a for some reason working workaround
[16:16] <BluesKaj> soee, intel-hda ?
[16:17] <soee> on laptop ?
[16:17] <soee> brb reboot
[16:19] <soee> back and again sddm-greater in window :)
[16:20] <soee> there is some serious issue with sddm
[16:23] <BluesKaj> soee, kserver not found ?
[16:23] <marco-parillo> Missing LightDM (especially the Guest login)
[16:23] <soee> BluesKaj: works fine this one
[16:25] <BluesKaj> I got that message yesterday on the laptop, ppa-purge was required, so i purged both the ci/stable and the landing ppas 
[16:25] <BluesKaj> just installedn the 4.4 kernel ..it fixed a few issues with PIM/akonadi and akregator
[16:30] <soee> ;]
[16:32] <yofel> I was about to say "how's that even possible", but this is akoandi..
[16:33] <BluesKaj> yofel, well akregator wasn't launching , so i assumed it was PIM/akonadi related problem
[16:33] <yofel> your ppa-purge probably fixed that
[16:34] <yofel> and if that was what fixed it, then it was an akonadi issue indeed
[16:40] <BluesKaj> akregator wouldn't launch after the purge , but I hadn't rebooted yet
[16:50] <BluesKaj> yofel, you're correct about akregator/akonadi, just launched akregator on my laptop which was ppa-purged as well, but no linux 4.4 kernal installed on it yet. 
[16:51] <BluesKaj> kernel even
[17:47] <soee> does kde connect worksfor you , can you browse files in dolphin?
[18:15] <soee> how can i list users in some group ?
[18:15] <soee> on previous session did killall pulseaudio and pulseaudio and after reboot have my sound back
[18:16] <soee> but i needed ~ 10 login attempts to be able to get into my session
[18:16] <soee> all this 10 times i had black screen for a moment with some messages and sddm back
[18:27] <acher88> soee: for e.g. audio group 'grep audio /etc/group'
[18:30] <mikkle> Does the installer for 16.04 daily work now?
[18:34] <acher88> soee: or install !members package?
[18:36] <soee> yeah so only pulse in audio group
[18:37] <soee> and my sound was restored without adding myself to that roup
[18:37] <soee> *group
[18:37] <soee> mikkle: no idea :) i'm on Xenial anyway
[18:37] <acher88> that's what I have on a machine that hasn't been changed since install
[18:39] <soee> brb have to jump to windows since i can't browse phone from dolphin :(
[19:14] <soee> back
[19:23] <clivejo> yofel: mind if I do a staging upload for plasma 5.5.4?
[19:23] <yofel> go ahead
[19:23] <clivejo> Ill need you to pause KCI later on
[19:24] <clivejo> but I need to do some laundry first
[19:25]  * yofel goes back to searching the net for a good way to find latin1 entries in an utf8 mysql DB
[19:33] <clivejo> yofel: whats that for?
[19:35] <yofel> clivejo: I have a database that somehow ended up with mixed encoding, and now some of the older data in it shows up with broken special characters in reports, which I have to fix
[19:36] <clivejo> oh work related?
[19:36] <yofel> yep
[19:45] <ovidiu-florin> yofel:  what else got released in backports besides 5.5.3?
[19:45] <ovidiu-florin> frameworks, right?
[19:45] <ovidiu-florin> what version?
[19:47] <yofel> 5.18
[19:49] <ovidiu-florin> awesome
[19:49] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: can you review please: https://kubuntu.org/?p=2487&preview=true
[19:49] <ovidiu-florin> you need to be logged in
[19:51] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: I've added a new line, refresh
[19:52] <yofel> looks ~fine, maybe replace "to testers who hang out" "to all testers who helped out"
[19:53] <clivejo> hi ovidiu-florin
[19:53]  * clivejo waves
[19:53] <ovidiu-florin> hello clivejo
[19:53] <clivejo> how are you keeping?
[19:54] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: anything else?
[19:54] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: work, home (more work here), sleep (repeat for ever)
[19:55] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: do you also agree to the apology?
[19:55] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: I'm digging deeper in CMake right now
[19:55] <ovidiu-florin> I'm kind of working on streamlining the KDE Android SDK
[19:56] <yofel> yes, mostly. I'm not sure if I like it, but I can't think of something better either. And something should be there
[20:00] <clivejo> yofel: staging script is failing
[20:00] <ovidiu-florin> published: https://kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5-5-3-and-frameworks-5-18-0-backported-to-kubuntu-15-10/
[20:00] <yofel> clivejo: pastebin please
[20:00]  * clivejo kicks discover
[20:00] <yofel> oh that
[20:00] <yofel> uhm
[20:01] <yofel> remove it from the list and do it by hand
[20:01] <yofel> that'll fix itself for 5.6
[20:02] <clivejo> can the script be rerun or do I need to clear out workspace directory?
[20:02] <yofel> latter
[20:03]  * clivejo grumbles 
[20:03] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: I've had a better idea for the closing statement
[20:04] <yofel> remove the "with" at the end and it's great :)
[20:04] <yofel> thanks
[20:07] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: no need to name and shame us!
[20:07] <clivejo> just put the "team"
[20:08] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: what with?
[20:10] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: "we had to tackle with" -> "we had to tackle"
[20:12]  * clivejo raises an eyebrow
[20:12] <clivejo> https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/ubuntu-rolling-release/
[20:13] <clivejo> rolling release ?!?
[20:14] <yofel> wrong title, there is a "devel" release alias which makes you permanently run the dev release
[20:14] <yofel> which is a rolling release in some sense
[20:17] <BluesKaj> in effect yeah, constant updates and upgrades testing the OS
[20:17] <clivejo> but its devel?
[20:17] <yofel> yeah, that's the only "rolling" thing we have
[20:18] <yofel> with all the proposed-migration QA we have these days it's not worse than running debian testing
[20:18] <yofel> so if people don't mind the occasional bug, it does the job
[20:30] <clivejo> yofel: I wont push the removal of plasma-discover?
[20:35] <clivejo> yofel: can you pause KCI please?
[20:38] <clivejo> or ovidiu-florin if you can
[20:39] <yofel> started it
[20:39] <yofel> wait for it to actually start though
[20:39] <clivejo> hummm why didnt it say here
[20:39] <yofel> there, took a while o.O
[20:39] <clivejo> that was weird
[20:39] <yofel> the button queues the build, it has to actually start to take effect
[20:42] <clivejo> ok done
[20:43] <claydoh> lol I commented on the 'rolling ubuntu' post, we'll see if it approved.
[20:49] <clivejo> plasma-workspace has some merge madness going on
[21:14] <clivejo> how do I manually grab discover tarball from depot?
[21:19] <Riddell> clivejo: wget http://download.kde.org/stable/plasma/5.5.4/discover-5.5.4.tar.xz
[21:19] <clivejo> is it properly released?
[21:20] <clivejo> thought it was devel preview
[21:20] <Riddell> yes, I do plasma releases on same day for bugfixes
[21:23] <soee_> Riddell: whats sddm version Neon uses ?
[21:24] <clivejo> Riddell yofel: two patches for discover upstream_fix_crash_on_pkglist_refresh.diff & upstream_prevent_misleading_notification.diff 
[21:25] <clivejo> is it safe to remove them?
[21:25] <yofel> drop
[21:25] <clivejo> both?
[21:25] <yofel> both
[21:25] <clivejo> :) done
[21:26] <soee_> they are in 5.5.4
[21:28] <clivejo> yofel: you keeping an eye on me?
[21:28] <clivejo> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/plasma/build_status_5.5.4_xenial.html
[21:29] <yofel> not really, just having IRC open in a corner of my screen
[21:29] <yofel> well, bottom edge really
[21:29] <clivejo> I think I have them all uploaded now#
[21:29] <clivejo> FFS!!
[21:30] <clivejo> fix one thing and break another!
[21:30] <yofel> I think those are mostly my fault?
[21:30] <clivejo> You're suspected of having broken merger_libkscreen
[21:31] <clivejo> yofel: did plasma 5.5.3 not get into the archive?
[21:31] <yofel> nope
[21:31] <clivejo> hummm
[21:31] <yofel> this week is A2 freeze anyway, so lets just get .4 done
[21:32] <soee_> "Ah, but anyone who prefers to use Muon Package Manager (not the Software Center or Updater) will be disapointed as it is not functional in 5.5.3 (have to use Aptitude instead).﻿"
[21:33] <soee_> https://plus.google.com/u/0/110954078302330754910/posts/eCp1nkJn5vb
[21:33] <clivejo> soee_: you like breaking your system?
[21:33] <yofel> still waiting for a discover-compatible muon release
[21:34] <soee_> clivejo: what life would be when all would work just fine ... booring :)
[21:34] <yofel> otherwise someone would have to hack that into the muon package. Volunteers welcome
[21:34] <clivejo> soee_: plasma 5.5.4 is in staging :P
[21:34] <soee_> clivejo: it has red packages
[21:35] <soee_> and some are still building
[21:35] <soee_> so i'll wait for this 3 bulding atm. and test it than
[21:36] <clivejo> just discover as far as I can see
[21:36] <clivejo> I uploaded it, but its not showing
[21:36] <soee_> clivejo: can you remove plasma-discover - 5.5.3a-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa7 from staging ?
[21:36] <clivejo> thats strange
[21:36] <soee_> clivejo: dicover is ready
[21:36] <clivejo> I uploaded plasma-discover - 5.5.4
[21:36] <soee_> in fact all are ust not published yet
[21:37] <soee_> clivejo: yes and its there: plasma-discover - 5.5.4-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa1
[21:38] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-plasma/+build/8904731
[21:38] <clivejo> but the status page doesnt seem to see it :/
[21:38] <soee_> status page is refreshed each 4 in i think
[21:38] <soee_> *4 min
[21:39] <yofel> 10 min
[21:39] <yofel> and it doesn't track Pending packages
[21:39] <soee_> clivejo: wil you start backport also ?
[21:40] <clivejo> soee_: I dont know how
[21:40] <clivejo> I dont know how to merge either :?
[21:40] <soee_> yofel:  ^ is it some complex process ?
[21:40] <yofel> not really, if you read kubuntu-batch-backport-git you see mostly what I did last time
[21:41] <yofel> currently that script is just a braindump, not something runnable, but it has the steps
[21:41] <clivejo> I want to learn how to merge, so I can help with apps
[21:42] <clivejo> who needs backports anyways :P
[21:42] <clivejo> rolling releases are the way forward
[21:42] <soee_> :)
[21:42]  * clivejo hides
[21:43] <yofel> go use arch you freakin' scumbag troll who doesn't care about users and ..
[21:43] <yofel> ok, back to serious mode
[21:44] <soee_> hmm, why launchapd is so slow with publishing builds ? 
[21:44] <yofel> dunno, looks like the job like twice an hour or so these days
[21:44] <yofel> *runs like
[21:50] <Quintasan> how the hell do I stop pbuilder from running that adt magic, or at least how do I exit cleanly?
[21:51] <yofel> Quintasan: chmod -x the hook that runs it
[21:51] <yofel> latter I don't know
[22:06] <soee_> clivejo: smooth upgrade, rebooting now
[22:06] <soee_> brb
[22:07] <soee> and back
[22:08] <soee> clivejo: all fine :) great work on 5.5.4
[22:08] <clivejo> soee: good to hear
[22:12] <soee> clivejo: moving it to landing ?
[22:12] <clivejo> soee: does it fix your multiple screen issue?
[22:12] <acher88> staging-plasma?
[22:12] <soee> what issue? 
[22:13] <soee> i do not use here multiple screens setup
[22:13] <clivejo> someone wanted 5.5.4 packages to fix a multi screen issue
[22:13] <soee> acher88: yes
[22:14] <clivejo> ah it wasnt you
 KDE Plasma 5.5.4 Has Fixes For Multi-Screen Users
[22:14] <acher88> will try those in the morning then
[22:14] <soee> acher88: +1 :)
[22:15] <clivejo> soee: Ill wait til yofel or sgclark give it the go ahead
[22:15] <soee> clivejo: oki
[22:15] <yofel> do a small update test by yourself in pbuilder or so, then copy it to landing
[22:15] <clivejo> dont want to mess things up or step on toes
[22:16] <sgclark> clivejo: testing now. 
[22:17] <acher88> in that case I'll find my laptop and test now
[22:25] <acher88> that upgrade was nice and quick, and back into new plasma without any obvious initial probs
[22:27] <clivejo> does discover work?
[22:28]  * acher88 hangs head as usually uses synaptic
[22:28] <acher88> I'll try
[22:28] <soee> it works but for me it is messed up - design, some broken function - but this si upstream
[22:28] <clivejo> soee: what happens if there are upgrades to packages?
[22:29] <soee> happens where ?
[22:30] <clivejo> the update icon thingie-ma-bob
[22:30] <soee> this is not fixed in this version if you are talking about updates icon visible after install
[22:31] <clivejo> when is it to be fixed?
[22:31] <clivejo> .5?
[22:31] <soee> no idea, there is no fix for it yet
[22:32] <mamarley> Plasma 5.5.4 is working fine on the three systems I just upgraded.  Thanks clivejo!
[22:32] <soee> ! :D
[22:33] <soee> you ubottu dumb :)
[22:33] <mamarley> soee: I figure if I am going to break my systems, I might as well break them all at the same time! xD
[22:34] <soee> hihi :D
[22:35] <soee> ok, time to get some sleep. again clivejo: thanks for great work!
[22:38] <clivejo> thanks, but you should really thank upstream!
[22:38] <clivejo> I just run a script :/
[22:38] <acher88> yep, looks good :)
[22:39] <acher88> although I've 'discovered' that 'discover' just makes me want to run 'apt-get purge plasma-discover'
[22:39] <clivejo> I still dont like the icons
[22:40]  * clivejo changes back to 5.4 plasma theme
[23:31] <sgclark> clivejo: yofel: 5.5.4 looks good to me so far
[23:32] <sgclark> ugh, busy all day and accomplished nothing.
[23:34] <genii> I feel like that almost every day
[23:34]  * genii makes another pot of coffee and passes the mugs around
[23:34] <yofel> right? ^^
[23:34] <yofel> :D
[23:35] <sgclark> lol