[04:52] <pitti> Good morning
[05:55] <hikiko> hello
[06:12] <pitti> hey hikiko, how are you?
[06:18] <hikiko> hi pitti :)
[07:06] <Steve_Jobs> can anyone help me diagnose why I can't install a wacom tablet?
[07:06] <Steve_Jobs> ?
[07:19] <flocculant> Steve_Jobs: you might be better in #ubuntu that's a support channel
[08:09] <hikiko> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYWQhB2MB5w
[08:09] <hikiko> :D
[08:35] <alexarnaud> hello everyone !
[09:02] <willcooke> good morning all
[09:05] <Laney> hi hi
[09:06] <pitti> hey Laney!
[09:06] <seb128> hey u.k
[09:06] <seb128> & pitti
[09:06] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[09:06] <pitti> Laney: it's live!
[09:06] <davmor2> willcooke, Laney: Firing up my nvidia box now
[09:07] <willcooke> davmor2, thx
[09:08] <Laney> pitti: nice
[09:08] <Laney> I bet there's a chance for me to try it on gvfs ;-)
[09:15] <willcooke> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[09:15] <willcooke> Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you.  Happy birthday dear Laney! Happy birthday to you.  (c) Disney
[09:16] <seb128> oh!
[09:16] <seb128> Laney, happy birthday!
[09:16] <davmor2> willcooke, Laney: http://people.canonical.com/~davmor2/desktop-screenshots/nouveau.png
[09:17] <Laney> thanks
[09:17] <Laney> i iz old
[09:17] <Laney> thanks davmor2!
[09:17] <willcooke> davmor2, hurmph.  andyrock ^^ seems to work there
[09:17] <willcooke> thanks davmor2
[09:18] <davmor2> Laney: no your not popey iz old :D
[09:18] <willcooke> harsh
[09:18] <willcooke> but fair
[09:18] <davmor2> willcooke: he is a year older than me though and I'm normally one of the oldest in the room so he must be
[09:20] <willcooke> I'm snapping at your heels
[09:20] <Laney> pitti: do you know why gvfs was tested against the new nemo on some arches?
[09:20] <davmor2> willcooke, Laney: also remember that if the user with the issue is running a much newer card that the nouveau team might not of reverse engineered it yet
[09:20]  * Laney would rather not fix that problem
[09:21] <Laney> err, the other way around
[09:21] <Laney> YKWIM
[09:21] <willcooke> davmor2, ah, yeah I expect andyrock has a newish card.  Let's see once he's online
[09:23] <davmor2> willcooke: also I got to try out the add a password to disable secureboot because you chose to install 3rd party drivers, still not sure how microsoft work around that but hey :) That seems to work on hardware which is what I wanted to test :)
[09:23] <willcooke> neat
[09:24] <willcooke> not sure I know what that is, but sounds like no work for us, so.. yay!
[09:26] <davmor2> willcooke: if you in the install your select 3rd party drivers, or on system update and have secureboot enable it pops up a notice saying that because you are selecting that you can't use secureboot anymore and asks for a password to disable it I'll grab you a screenshot later from vm
[09:33] <davmor2> willcooke: http://people.canonical.com/~davmor2/desktop-screenshots/secureboot-warning.png  you get a similar warning on apt full-upgrade and on dist-upgrades too I would imagine although that would still need testing
[09:33] <Laney> where does learn more go to?
[09:34] <davmor2> Laney: one second I'll find out
[09:34] <pitti> Laney: gvfs/nemo: perhaps nemo was uploaded aroud the same time, and the build took longer on arm/s390x?
[09:35] <Laney> pitti: right, but the trigger should have been against the release version?
[09:35] <Laney> it didn't migrate
[09:35] <pitti> Laney: oh -- it still ran yesterday
[09:36] <pitti> Laney: until yesterday I had apt pinning disabled on scalingstack
[09:36] <pitti> Laney: due to the init-system-helpers/sysvinit lockstep thing (still remember?)
[09:36] <pitti> I re-enabled pinning this morning
[09:36] <davmor2> Laney: http://people.canonical.com/~davmor2/desktop-screenshots/learnmore.png
[09:36] <Laney> pitti: bleh
[09:36] <pitti> Laney: re-running ought to work, though
[09:37] <pitti> Laney: want to try the clicky-clicky rerun?
[09:37] <Laney> pitti: I will do, if it's going to use nemo from xenial-release :)
[09:37] <pitti> Laney: yes, apt pinning is back on
[09:38] <Laney> I couldn't remember if run-autopkgtest ... foo uses the newest foo all the time or if you need a trigger to take the proposed version
[09:38] <pitti> Laney: you don't specify the version of the test, just of the trigger
[09:39] <Trevinho> Morning
[09:39] <pitti> Laney: if you add a fake trigger for foo, it'll use -proposed, otherwise release
[09:39] <Trevinho> Jetlag almost fixed. Hopefully
[09:39] <Laney> pitti: indeed, I forgot what that meant
[09:39] <Laney> hi Trevinho
[09:39] <Trevinho> Laney: hi
[09:39] <Laney> what's crackin'
[09:40] <davmor2> Laney, willcooke: obviously I'll need to test that line on really hardware so I wonder if my Lenovo is using broadcom wifi if not then I know the xps13 does
[09:40] <willcooke> hi Trevinho
[09:40] <davmor2> s/really/real
[09:41] <Laney> davmor2: is this because of signed kernel modules?
[09:41] <davmor2> Laney: I assume so and that it is using secureboot correctly now
[09:42] <willcooke> anyone having connection issues to Canonical IRC server?
[09:42] <davmor2> Laney: but it does still raise the question of how does Windows get around it, I assume all the drivers for windows are signed too so they can just be added, but I still would of thought that, that would of changed the kernel key
[09:43] <pitti> Laney: ah, so apparently that worked for you
[09:43] <Laney> pitti: indeed!
[09:43] <seb128> willcooke, wfm
[09:44] <pitti> Requester: laney
[09:44] <willcooke> seb128, thx
[09:44] <Laney> pitti: a button to do all arches at once would be nice ;-)
[09:45] <Laney> anyways
[09:45] <Laney> yay for self service retries
[09:45] <seb128> indeed!
[09:52] <willcooke> seb128, I've got no menus in Gedit.  But then I've been messing around with it.  Is that a known issue?
[09:53] <seb128> willcooke, do you have local menus enabled?
[09:54] <willcooke> seb128, ah
[09:54] <willcooke> seb128, thanks
[09:55] <seb128> I guess that's a "yes"?
[09:55] <seb128> gedit use GTK CSD and no compiz bar so no integrated menus in that case
[09:55] <willcooke> yeah
[09:55] <willcooke> I remember now
[09:55] <willcooke> sorry
[09:56] <seb128> no worry
[09:56] <seb128> we need to fix that one before release...
[09:56] <willcooke> yeah
[09:56] <seb128> bug #1518516 for the record
[09:57] <willcooke> oh yeah, so.. don't know if you remember - design asked for a coloured bottom border on the active tab in a notebook (e.g. gedit tabs) to show the active tab
[09:57] <willcooke> well, turns out that we might have found a bug, and so it can't be done
[10:15] <pitti> Laney: and OMG, dude!!!
[10:15] <pitti> Laney: happy 30th! *hug*
[10:15]  * pitti hugs Laney and tosses a virtual beer
[10:15] <Laney> haha!
[10:15] <Laney> thanks pitti
[10:16] <pitti> grouphug!
[10:16]  * Laney is now going to start making groaning noises
[10:16] <Laney> sooooo olddddddd
[10:16] <pitti> just take your heart pills every day, and it will be good *cough* *cough* !
[10:17] <pitti> Laney: did you get something nice this morning? breakfast, cake, presents, snarky comments about the big three-ooh?
[10:18] <seb128> willcooke, :-/
[10:18] <chrisccoulson> Happy birthday Laney. Welcome to the old peoples' club :)
[10:18] <pitti> seb128, willcooke: some hugs for the old man, SVP
[10:19] <seb128> pitti, willcooke sang happy birthday on this channel earlier ;-)
[10:19] <Laney> pitti: I got some fruit trees to plant outside
[10:19] <seb128> but yeah, hugs are a nice idea
[10:19] <Laney> going out for a meal later
[10:19]  * seb128 hugs Laney
[10:19] <Laney> \o\
[10:20]  * Laney hugs seb128 and pitti
[10:20] <pitti> seb128: ah indeed! was offline at that time (train rides..)
[10:20] <Laney> http://www.thelarderongoosegate.co.uk/menus/january%20a%20la%20carte%20web.pdf
[10:20] <Laney> ^- going there
[10:20]  * Laney doesn't know what all of the words on that menu mean
[10:21] <pitti> Laney: neither do I, but I do comprehend "steak"!
[10:22] <Laney> \o/
[10:22] <pitti> Laney: like, I don't know what a John Dory is -- sounds awfully cannibalistic
[10:23] <Laney> local villain of the week?
[10:24] <pitti> hah
[10:24] <pitti> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dory
[10:24] <pitti> it's a fish!
[10:28] <Laney> iiiiiiiiinteresting
[10:29] <didrocks> good morning
[10:30] <seb128> hey didrocks
[10:30] <didrocks> salut seb128!
[10:30] <seb128> what time is your clock on now? ;-)
[10:30] <seb128> had a good night?
[10:32] <pitti> bonjour didrocks !
[10:33] <didrocks> seb128: had a long night (like 14h), but I guess not enough yet to take over the sleep deprevation of last week
[10:33] <didrocks> seb128: how about you!
[10:33] <didrocks> ?
[10:33] <didrocks> hey pitti!
[10:33] <seb128> waouh, crazy
[10:33] <seb128> for some reason I didn't feel tired yesterday afternoon/evening
[10:34] <seb128> just almost fall asleep in early afternoon and then it was over
[10:34] <seb128> I slept from 23h to 9h15
[10:34] <pitti> 14h! wow, that's like two nights
[10:34] <seb128> I didn't manage to shake out the start of cold though
[10:34] <didrocks> seb128: well, you did sleep well there :)
[10:34] <didrocks> argh
[10:34] <seb128> turned into a real cold :-/
[10:34] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, basically slept an average of 4h for the past week
[10:34] <pitti> so, FOSDEM, next opportunity to exchange germs!
[10:34] <seb128> yeah, I just didn't sleep much in the plane
[10:34] <didrocks> pitti: couldn't sleep in the plane at all as well
[10:35]  * pitti has managed to not get a cold since last May, crossing fingers..
[10:35] <seb128> usually skipping a night makes it difficult to stay up until the evening
[10:36] <pitti> yeah, I usually drink lots of strong tea or coke in that afternoon to stay awake
[10:39] <didrocks> seb128: whenever you got a minute, mind reviewing session-shorcouts?
[10:39] <seb128> didrocks, sure can
[10:39] <didrocks> I would like to finish that task this week if possible (MIRing, adding the dep…)
[10:39] <didrocks> thx!
[10:39] <seb128> but I'm about to go, I've an appointement at 12, going to do that once I'm back
[10:39] <didrocks> sure
[11:04] <pitti> Laney: the nemo thing worked, didn't it? gvfs isn't on excuses.html any more, it was gvfs, rigth?
[11:12] <Laney> pitti: indeed!
[11:22] <pitti> I'm close to the Belgian border now, and thus will drop offline soon; see you again in some two hours!
[11:37] <Laney> bleg
[11:42] <andyrock> morning
[11:44] <didrocks> hey andyrock!
[11:58] <willcooke> hey andyrock
[12:17]  * Laney pins vim
[12:17] <Laney> new version turns off python2 which breaks plugins written in py2
[12:17] <Laney> including ones in archive
[12:17] <Laney> :|
[12:20] <davmor2> Laney: I was going to ask barry about that but didn't see him online our vim build is built against python plugin bits which is really useful but not on the system with no python 2 anymore
[12:21] <davmor2> Laney: is there even a python3 version of vim build we can use?  or will be a case of dropping the pythony bit
[12:21] <Laney> davmor2: there is python3
[12:21] <Laney> you have to choose between python2 and python3
[12:21] <Laney> they just flipped it
[12:21] <Laney> which means that some things go from working to broken
[12:22]  * Laney apt-mark hold vim at ubuntu2
[12:25] <davmor2> Laney: right okay
[12:53] <tkamppeter> hikiko, hi
[12:55] <hikiko> hi tkamppeter
[12:55] <hikiko> thanks for the email :)
[13:10] <tkamppeter> hikiko, I hope this helps, this is all my experience with ordering stuff to locations where I travel to.
[13:13] <hikiko> well, what I wanted to do was slightly different but stefanie pointed out who I should ask so it helped in any case :D thank you :)
[15:18] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: so, installed the libreoffice snap the first time, hacked around with some LD_LIBRARY_PATH foo and git it down to ldd only missing libGL.so. Now building with mesa added to the snap ...
[15:22] <willcooke> Sweet5hark, thanks.  How big is mesa?
[15:24] <Sweet5hark> dunno what it will end up adding. However, when I told you a number last time I didnt have xorg and xmir in it already -- compared to those, mesa will be neglectable I assume.
[15:26] <Sweet5hark> current snap is 417MB (with XMir)
[15:26] <ricotz> welcome to the world of windows
[15:27] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, did you get my diff? also remember to push the packaging change so I would be able to give a real patch for credits
[15:28] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: we are not quite there yet. we are there when we update a 500MB download for a 1 bit security change in one lib ...
[15:28] <ricotz> exactly, so this seems to be getting ridiculous, doesn't it?
[15:29] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, https://paste.debian.net/plain/367431
[15:29] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: saw the diff, was merged already (and yes, I did --author it to you) ..
[15:30]  * Sweet5hark shrugs
[15:30] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, thanks
[16:06] <Sweet5hark> lol, installing npms is like a vacation with kids: 20% of time spend in a module called are-we-there-yet (aka the progress bar) https://github.com/npm/npm/issues/11283#issuecomment-175246823
[16:39] <gQuigs> Sweet5hark: is the snap apparmored?  does it work with the LO splash screen?
[16:40] <gQuigs> is it using the same apparmor profile I've been working on our something else?
[16:42] <Sweet5hark> gQuigs: currently not caring at all about apparmor, sorry
[16:42] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: FWIW: ./soffice.bin --help works -- but not much else yet.
[16:43] <gQuigs> Sweet5hark: oh, I thought snaps couldn't be deployed unconstrained
[16:49] <seb128> shrug, just spent an hour on the phone debugging a non ubuntu system
[16:49] <seb128> fs was mounted ro
[16:50] <seb128> a non *booting* ubuntu system
[16:50] <seb128> turned out that renaming a disk in "disks" created the issue, yeah for easy way to bug your system :-/
[16:51] <larsu> :(
[17:01] <willcooke> erk
[17:02] <willcooke> how old was the install?  I mean we've been using disk UUIDs for a loooong time
[17:02] <willcooke> unless the name effects the uuid?
[17:04] <seb128> that's a new LTS install
[17:04] <willcooke> erk
[17:04] <seb128> and fstab had no useful content
[17:04] <seb128> e.g no UUID line
[17:04] <seb128> I wonder how / was even mounted
[17:05] <seb128> but the system worked fine before the disk rename
[17:05] <seb128> after the rename the / was ro
[17:05] <seb128> which is enough for lightdm to not start :-/
[17:05] <seb128> the desk was starting after a remount,rw
[17:06] <davmor2> willcooke, seb128: sounds like something to have a play with in vm
[17:06] <seb128> yeah
[17:06] <didrocks> Trevinho: once you are around, please have a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/unity/dep-session-shorcuts/+merge/284159 (should be straightforward) for including in next landing
[17:11] <didrocks> Trevinho: do you have any bot merging directly? I doubt you reviewed and I see that 3 minutes later, this was marked as "merged"
[17:11] <didrocks> (and I just did push to lp:~didrocks/unity/dep-session-shorcuts, just checked again)
[17:36]  * qengho away a while.
[18:27] <willcooke> quittin' time.  night all
[19:33] <davmor2> Laney: do you know what drive they renamed, I tried with a partition no change at least on 14.04.4
[20:06] <davmor2> Laney: ignore me it was seb128
[20:11] <seb128> davmor2, the only drive/partition
[20:11] <seb128> thanks for testing
[20:12] <davmor2> seb128: hmm I'll have a try with 16.04 tomorrow do you happen to know if it was 32 or 64 bit and if uefi was involved or not?
[20:12] <seb128> 64 bit
[20:12] <seb128> not sure about uefi, it's a custom desktop config, so probably not
[20:13] <davmor2> seb128: right I'll have a play on a none uefi setup in the morning and see if I can reproduce it then :)
[20:13] <seb128> thanks!