[00:34] <int_ua> I've just installed Ubuntu on Nexus 4 with a compeletely broken touchscreen. Any advice on how can I get past the welcome screen?
[00:36] <mcphail> int_ua: What do you really hope to achieve?? Without touch, you're stuck
[00:37] <mcphail> int_ua: not sure if you could even use that as a server
[00:38] <int_ua> Also, the wiki page is empty and it's not redirected to the new page that I've found in the history of changes.
[00:39] <mcphail> "the" wiki page?
[00:39] <int_ua> mcphail: Currently, just trying what it can do
[00:39] <int_ua> mcphail: Oh, sorry, the Install wiki page
[00:41] <int_ua> USB mouse connected with OTG cable is not even powered yet. And dmesg contains stack trace from /build/linux-mako-KtaydK/linux-mako-3.4.0/kernel/smp.c:320 smp_call_function_single+0xbc/0x1c8()
[00:41] <mcphail> the install wiki page isn't blank here. Takes a second or 2 to load, though.
[00:42] <int_ua> I didn't notice the Firefox request to redirect me. Sorry again.
[00:44] <mcphail> int_ua: not sure if you can do the initial setup without having touch. I suspect this is going to be frustrating
[00:45] <int_ua> Tried to apt-get dist-upgrade it and it was stuck after stopping bluetooth, when I tried to reboot it by holding power, it stopped booting (just showing google logo forever), had to re-flash it.
[00:45] <int_ua> mcphail: yes, thanks, I didn't expect much, just experimenting
[00:46] <mcphail> int_ua: you can get shell without unlocking lock screen and enabling dev mode?
[00:46] <int_ua> However, it would be great if it could work on devices with broken touchscreen
[00:46] <int_ua> adb shell
[00:46] <int_ua> dev mode, of course
[00:47] <mcphail> int_ua: how did you get dev mode? How did you unlock screen?
[00:48] <int_ua> Switched off Android, holded Down+Power, then clicked Up and Power
[00:48] <int_ua> after executing fastbook unlock
[00:48] <mcphail> won't that just get you into recovery?
[00:49] <int_ua> that allowed ubuntu-device-flash to work
[00:49] <mcphail> yep - but how do you enable dev mode when installed if you can't unlock the screen?
[00:50] <int_ua> mcphail: didn't, had to reflash first time
[00:51] <int_ua> and now started openssh-server but still can't  login by network
[00:53] <mcphail> Well, whatever you are doing, good luck. I can't understand your actions. I'm off to bed. Good night
[00:55] <int_ua> thanks! :)
[01:04] <dobey> you shouldn't upgrade the device with apt
[01:04] <dobey> if you want to run a headless server on it, it might be better to figure out how to install an ubuntu-server image onto the device
[01:07] <int_ua> ok, thanks
[01:07] <int_ua> I'm not planning to use it for long, just testing
[01:08] <int_ua> Can't wait until an official device that have a shipping option to Ukraine
[01:09] <_Sponge> the Ukraine ?
[01:10] <dobey> hmm, i wonder if i could get android 4.4 onto the pre3
[01:12] <int_ua> _Sponge: are you trying to insult me?
[01:14] <int_ua> country names didn't need "the" last time I checked
[01:16] <dobey> the grand duchy of luxembourg kind of does, in English anyway :)
[01:16] <dobey> int_ua: i don't think _Sponge was trying to insult, but indeed the question was a bit odd
[01:23] <int_ua> dobey: didn't know, thanks for the info :)
[01:26] <_Sponge> Quick price checker : http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ubuntu-bq-Aquaris-E4-5-/191784794554
[01:28] <_Sponge> £56 to £92 http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&_nkw=Ubuntu+bq&_sop=16
[01:29] <int_ua> Thanks, but I prefer either to buy from an official source to show some support or at least a phone with native Convergence, whichever comes first
[01:31] <_Sponge> int_ua: I'm just price-checking, t'is all.
[01:32] <mcphail> dobey: Luxembourg doesn't have "The" according to UK government
[01:32] <dobey> mcphail: when UK speak English, i'll let you know :)
[01:33] <mcphail> dobey: :) - just The Gambia and The Bahamas
[01:33] <mcphail> https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/country-names/country-names-the-permanent-committee-on-geographical-names-for-british-official-use
[01:34] <dobey> the congo
[01:34] <dobey> ;)
[01:35] <mcphail> I'm sure "the congo" is just as much an insult as "the ukraine" :/
[01:35] <dobey> mcphail: democratic republic of the congo is the full name of course
[01:37] <mcphail> Countries which were named after rivers or land-features are often, wrongly, given the definite article
[01:37] <dobey> mcphail: in English it is fairly common to place "the" in front of countries when referring to them. ie, the United States, the United Kingdom
[01:37] <dobey> anyway
[01:37] <dobey> whatever
[01:38] <dobey> how do i get android 4.4 onto a pre 3
[01:38]  * mcphail definitely needs to get to bed or back on topic
[01:39] <int_ua> ok, for some reason openssh don't want to allow password authentication and adb shell can't work with passwd and nano correctly, something wrong with sending newlines. Enough for today. Leaving now, thanks to all.
[01:39] <dobey> int_ua: use phablet-shell
[01:39] <int_ua> trying
[01:40] <dobey> it creates an ssh connection over usb
[01:41] <int_ua> didn't work without arguments and while investigating I've found this: phablet-config welcome-wizard --disable
[01:47] <int_ua> Still Permission denied (publickey). Will try to continue tomorrow, maybe with a newer OS image, thanks.
[02:05] <tsimonq2> davidcalle: is there a limit on how many people can participate in my team for the Scopes Showdown?
[02:11] <_Sponge> the moon.
[02:14] <tsimonq2> davidcalle: it seems not after reading the Terms of Entry
[02:19] <surAj> hi
[02:19] <surAj> hi
[02:20] <surAj> in multirom utouch dont show the ota update version number
[02:20] <surAj> its always showing version 23, 22, 21...... for rtm version
[02:20] <surAj> version
[02:21] <surAj> so question is whichone is latest version of utouch on multirom manager
[02:21] <dobey> latest for what?
[02:23] <dobey> image numbers are not uniform across channels
[02:27] <dobey> and i guess the image number is also not aligned with the ota release # for stable channel either
[07:02] <vayan> How does the Gallery apps sort pictures ? I copied some pictures and I have 3months of picture in one day
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> anyone received ota9 yet?
[07:30] <Tm_T> I'm lame and use proposed channel
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> Tm_T: hehe, im on rc proposed on n7 aswell
[07:32] <lotuspsychje> lets check my bq..
[09:16] <zetheroo> how often does the wifi poll for networks?
[09:26] <Kajover> Hi, would it be possible for the Ubuntu team to develop a messenger on the basis of openwhisper's Signal that works on the Ubuntu phone and preferably also on the desktop?
[09:27] <Kajover> I think that is a very important feature that is missing
[09:30] <flux__> Kajover, https://uappexplorer.com/app/textsecure.jani
[09:36] <Kajover> flux_, thank you but it misses the call option. I think I have to rephrase it.. I think it would be great if it became a core app. The iMessage for Ubuntu
[09:40] <MCMic> Kajover: I’d prefer a native XMPP client :-P
[09:41] <Kajover> or this but you would need to be online all the time for OTR messaging
[09:41] <Kajover> and this cannot really be feasible for delayed messages
[09:43] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Wednesday, and happy Chocolate Cake Day! 🙌 🎂
[09:44] <davmor2> Kajover: but you already have telegram that will destroy messages for you if you want them uber secure :)
[09:49] <MCMic> …
[09:50] <jibel> bonjour pitti
[09:50] <pitti> bonjour jibel, ça va ? c'était longtemps !
[09:51] <jibel> pitti, very good thanks. and you?
[09:51] <pitti> jibel: ça va bien aussi -- en route à Louvain, pour revoir des amis avant FOSDEM ce week-end
[09:52] <jibel> pitti, ah right, didrocks and seb128 will attend fosdem too?
[09:53] <pitti> jibel: only didrocks
[09:53] <pitti> jibel: but also at least xnox, Laney, and larsu
[09:53] <jibel> pitti, great, say hi from me :)
[09:53] <pitti> I will!
[09:53] <jibel> I'm not traveling much recently and didn't met them since a while
[09:53] <seb128> pitti, I'm probably going to stop by on friday evening
[09:54] <jibel> pitti, are you still taking care of upower on ubuntu?
[09:54] <jibel> pitti, there are a couple of bugs on the phone
[09:54] <pitti> jibel: ish; I hardly have time to look into plumbing stuff, maintaining -proposed and developing the infra takes up most of my time
[09:55] <pitti> jibel: I saw that I got a phone-related upower bug assigned this morning
[09:55] <pitti> jibel: not sure when I'll get to that; also, I hope we still have mako images, as that's the only device I have
[09:55] <jibel> pitti, there are bug 1537668 and bug 1538470
[09:56] <jibel> pitti, upower seems to be confused when the phone suspends/resumes and with the state changes too
[09:57] <jibel> pitti, anyone in foundation who could have a look?
[09:58] <pitti> jibel: not sure, and I guess if you ask slangasek he'll just punt it back to me anyway :)
[09:58] <jibel> pitti, okay :)
[09:58] <pitti> jibel: but this might be reproducible on a desktop too
[10:00] <jibel> pitti, I couldn't reproduce on desktop, some of the bugs might be due to the battery meter on the phone or the calibration of the battery but I'd like to narrow them down before involving hw people
[10:00] <pitti> jibel: or better yet, a test case; like, set up a fake battery, SIGSTOP upower, change the battery, SIGCONT upower, send it the "I resumed" dbus signal (I think there is one), and see what happens
[10:00] <jibel> right, this one should be reproducible, it's the 1rst bug I pasted.
[10:00] <jibel> I didn't find a test case for the second bug though
[10:01] <pitti> jibel: capturing grep -r . /sys/class/power_supply/  before and after suspend would be useful
[10:02] <pitti> jibel: and running "udevadm monitor -e --udev" around suspend
[10:03] <pitti> jibel: then this captures everythign that upower can see about this device, and would help with understanding/reproducing/writing a test
[10:03] <pitti> jibel: and I supposed pretty much anyone with that device can do that
[10:03] <jibel> pitti, it's more or less what I'm doing + the content of /sys/devices/platform/battery_meter for devices that expose it
[10:05] <pitti> jibel: ah, if you have that already, mind attaching that to #1537668?
[10:08] <jibel> pitti, okay
[10:11] <pitti> seb128: I might be in Brussels on Friday for the systemd sprint, but not Friday night
[10:12] <seb128> pitti, ok, I might come to say hi in the afternoon
[10:15] <JanC> no beer event for you pitti ?  :)
[10:20] <robin-hero_> sil2100, Hi, as I see the OTA9 images are already on the system-image server, when can we except the release? :)
[10:20] <sil2100> robin-hero_: in a few minutes I begin phasing, still writing up the final e-mail ;)
[10:21] <JanC> they are supposed to be pushed today AFAIK?
[10:21] <robin-hero_> sil2100, awesome! :) thanks for the info
[10:21] <JanC> or maybe tomorrow for some
[10:27] <sil2100> If any of you gets the update and finds some critical issue, please be sure to give us a quick heads up on the mailing list :)
[10:48] <robin-hero_> say that to popey, he always gets the update in the first round :D
[10:49] <MCMic> How big a download is the update ? (So that I know how much time I’ll need a connection ^^)
[10:50] <k1l> i think i found the biggest battery consumer on my n4: the old battery itself :X
[11:13]  * mcphail is considering skipping OTA9 and waiting for OTA9.5, as 8.5 is running so well
[11:20] <lotuspsychje> ota9 not available on my bq 4.5 @ 12h20 european timezone
[11:20] <lotuspsychje> ill try later on the day :p
[12:05] <tathhu> :D
[12:06] <tathhu> mcphail, dont't want to lose uptime? :P
[12:06] <JanC> no OTA-9 yet, but I just discovered that there is a FOSDEM schedule app now  :)
[12:08] <robin-hero_> mcphail, you would make a big mistake, OTA-9 is much better than OTA-8.5 :)
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> JanC: nice1, wich phone you have?
[12:13] <ogra_> JanC, whoever wrote it should also create a telegram group and add a link to the app to join it ;) (we just did that at SCaLE .... was a lot of fun that youcould distinctively say who in the creowd owns an ubuntu phone by all the ubuntu notification sounds in the room)
[12:15] <JanC> https://uappexplorer.com/app/fosdem-qml.delijati / https://github.com/delijati/fosdem-qml
[12:41] <zetheroo> how often does Ubuntu Touch check for wifi networks?
[12:48] <davmor2> zetheroo: voodoo and black magic.....I'm guessing are not the answers you are after.....Network manager and wpasupplicant iirc
[12:49] <davmor2> zetheroo: I think they have a timing of upto 2-3 minutes iirc depending on when you last landed between them
[12:49] <zetheroo> davmor2: "how often" denotes a question of time, not "how" or "what"
[12:49] <zetheroo> ok
[12:49] <ogra_> from experience i'd say it refreshes multiple times per minute though
[12:50] <zetheroo> orga_: yes, definitely more frequent than every 2 - 3 min
[12:50] <davmor2> ogra_: between the 2 yes but it can be as long as 2-3 minutes
[12:50] <zetheroo> but I found it's not as quick with finding new networks on-the-move as Android
[12:51] <davmor2> ogra_, zetheroo: It depends where in which cycle you disconnect and connect and so on
[12:51] <zetheroo> davmor2: not sure i follow - if I am connected to a wifi network and then i move out of range of that wifi network what does Ubuntu do?
[12:58] <davmor2> zetheroo: so network manager aiui scans every x seconds however wpasuplicant can hold a connection to a service for x minutes so if you suspend your device go somewhere else and unsuspend wpasupplicant can still be holding you old connection it will drop that after if finishes it's x minute cycle at which point network manager really scans and finds new ap's
[12:59] <zetheroo> is that a "feature" ? :D
[13:00] <davmor2> zetheroo: it a big timing mess that is slowly being sorted, it's because the bits we are using are not designed for mobiles that spend a lot of time asleep but for laptops where effectively suspend is shutdown not an active state
[13:00] <fati> i have Aquaris E5 Ubuntu Phone, and it stuck at start up, how can i flash my phone, or what else can i do ?
[13:02] <davmor2> fati: give it a couple of minutes sometimes it is because the apparmor profiles need to build if you have freshly flashed it or just fired it up for the first time
[13:02] <zetheroo> davmor2: ah I see
[13:03] <zetheroo> so it's officially a "bug" then and is being sorted out ..
[13:04] <davmor2> zetheroo: it is being worked on slowly, as it is quite a few deep moving parts and it obviously can't break desktop for 16.04 at the same time and lots of tweaking timings, it really isn't fun but yes the devs are well aware of the issue
[13:44] <zetheroo>  davmor2: ok cool - thanks for the info
[13:46] <jgdx> mterry, hey, you guys moved mouse settings from gsettings to AccountsService, I wonder if we should do the same for kbd settings?
[13:46] <mterry> jgdx, might make sense...  our rationale was that the user would be surprised if their input settings changed when they were on the login greeter
[13:47] <mterry> jgdx, things like keyboard layouts are already stored in AS on the desktop for that reason
[13:50] <jgdx> mterry, where are they stored? InputSources is there, but not the other ones:
[13:50] <jgdx> mterry, ohm http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14679026/
[13:50]  * jgdx has weechat issues
[13:51] <mterry> jgdx, sorry what is that pastebin of?
[13:52] <jgdx> mterry, part of a proposed change to u8's gsettings schema
[13:54] <mterry> jgdx, I added a new AccountsService Input schema in this approved branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas/input-schema/+merge/283546
[13:54] <mterry> jgdx, that might be a good place to put other input settings
[13:54] <jgdx> mterry, I think so too
[13:55] <jgdx> mterry, do those “work”?
[13:55] <mterry> jgdx, not all of them yet.  I have a branch that's about to land to let the cursor speed ones work
[14:00] <OerHeks> nice review http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/01/best-new-features-in-ubuntu-phone-ota-9
[14:13] <fatia> i have Aquaris E5 HD Ubuntu Edition, it stuck at start up screen, should i flash my phone or what else can i do?
[14:22] <peat-psuwit> Can I ship custom initrd script in boot.img? I want to override boot reason detection in my phone.
[14:32] <zzarr> hello!
[14:33] <zzarr> have anyone received OTA-9 and can tell about the experience yet?
[14:36] <jgdx> pete-woods1: hey
[14:42] <pete-woods1> jgdx: hey dude. you've just made me realise I still haven't replied to your email :$
[14:42] <jgdx> pete-woods1: my plan is proceeding just as I planned *rubs hands*
[14:43] <pete-woods1> jgdx: just before Dec, I landed support into connectivity API for editing VPN connections
[14:43] <pete-woods1> I also pushed out a prototype GUI in a click package for doing the editing
[14:43] <pete-woods1> jgdx: I was hoping you could kinda rip off the (QML) code for it
[14:43] <pete-woods1> it's fully featured
[14:43] <pete-woods1> but of my own design layout-wise
[14:44] <pete-woods1> so maybe the various fields, etc could be laid out better
[14:44] <pete-woods1> to match the proper design
[14:47] <jgdx> pete-woods1: right, I saw that and it was awesome. What I wanted to discuss is whether we should keep the qml and bindings in the Connectivity API tree, since I hear talk that it could be separated from indicator-network in the future.
[14:48] <jgdx> pete-woods1: the qml and bindings for VPN has to be in a package both wizard and USS can dep on.
[14:51] <pete-woods1> jgdx: I have no plans to do that separation. I only recently pulled the bindings into indicator-network
[14:52] <pete-woods1> jgdx: but sure, we can have a new binary package that includes the QML stuff
[14:52] <pete-woods1> that has minimal dependencies
[15:17] <jgdx> pete-woods: a new package?
[15:17] <jgdx> so not connectivity-api
[15:38] <pete-woods> jgdx: the connectivity-api LP package is abandoned now, as it's been merged into indicator-network
[15:38] <pete-woods> I admit that indicator-network is a bad package name now
[15:38] <pete-woods> as it contains both the UI (the actual indicator) and the connectivity-service / API
[15:38] <jgdx> pete-woods: networking-components-qt ?
[15:39] <pete-woods> but from a code perspective, it makes a lot of sense
[15:39] <pete-woods> jgdx: for downstream users, we can have whatever we want
[15:39] <pete-woods> i.e. the binary package names can be like you propose
[15:39] <pete-woods> I think we probably could put the QML into the existing QML package
[15:40] <pete-woods> qml-module-ubuntu-connectivity
[15:40] <pete-woods> seems pretty reasonable in that regard
[15:40] <lotuspsychje> is there a terminal command to push the ota9 update?
[15:42] <mcphail> lotuspsychje: "ut-update-service --pretty-pretty-please"
[15:42] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: tnx lemme try that
[15:42] <mcphail> lotuspsychje: if you're desparate, if you flash an alternative channel then flash back to stable that should do the job
[15:43]  * mcphail 's spelling is worse than usual today
[15:43] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[15:44] <matv1> lotuspsychje: sudo apt-get_me-my-ota9-already-djeeeeez
[15:44] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:44] <lotuspsychje> im not that desperate
[15:46] <mcphail> you might be able to do a new flash of the stable channel without switching away
[15:48] <lotuspsychje> ill wait like a good boy :p
[15:51] <lotuspsychje> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-touch-ota-9-is-officially-released-499493.shtml
[15:51] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: your also a 'lucky one' :p
[15:52] <mcphail> lotuspsychje: I'm sitting tight on OTA8.5 just now. i suspect my resolve will hold out for at least 12 hours
[15:52] <lotuspsychje> kk
[15:54] <mcphail> I've found the .5 releases to be the best, and, as there is already talk of OTA9.5, I'm going to try to wait. But I think I might not get new Dekko in that case. And I love a bit of dekko
[15:54] <lotuspsychje> mcphail: your gonna crack :p ill come every day telling you how nice the new dekko is :p
[15:54] <DanChapman> mcphail, yeah you won't get new Dekko. (preparing the update as we speak :-) )
[15:55] <mcphail> grr
[15:55] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[15:55] <ogra_> hmpf
[15:56] <ogra_> davmor2, my screen doesnt shut off on todays rc-proposed mx4 (i can press the power button, screen turns off but turns back on 3 sec later) ... could you check if you see anything similar ?
[15:56] <ogra_> seems to be since todays update
[15:57] <davmor2> ogra_: and if you reboot
[15:57] <ogra_> well, i only rebooted for the update yet ...
[15:57]  * ogra_ tries 
[15:59] <jibel> ogra_, I noticed that yesterday too
[15:59] <ogra_> works now after reboot
[15:59] <jibel> but didn't reproduce after a reboot
[16:00] <ogra_> yeah
[16:00] <ogra_> i had it several times during SCaLE last week that the device was hard locked "due to to many wrong unlock attempts" for 5 min when i pulled it out of pocket
[16:00] <davmor2> ogra_: I hit it today too I blame Saviq obviously :)
[16:01] <ogra_> i wasnt sure if i didnt simply press the power button by accident though
[16:01] <ogra_> if that "cant turn off screen" issue is around longer, that would explain this though
[16:03] <Matthias01> hey everybody
[16:03] <Matthias01> can i run ubuntu touch on a Elephone P7000 mobilephone?
[16:04] <Matthias01> is this possible?
[16:04] <ogra_> as i said in the other channel ...
 if you have the android 4.4 source and all the binary blobs for it you could attempt a port
[16:05] <ogra_> (and indeed if the minimal HW specs are fulfilled)
[16:05] <Matthias01> the phone have android 5
[16:05] <dobey> what are the minimal hw specs?
[16:06] <ogra_> note though that porting is not trivial ... you need a lot knowledge about both systems
[16:06] <ogra_> dobey, (G diskspace, 1G ram ... dual core at least
[16:06] <ogra_> 8G diskspace
[16:06] <ogra_> there used to be a wikipage that defined them ... not sure that still exists
[16:07] <Matthias01> http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B013UUHJXW?ie=UTF8&ref_=de_a_smtd&showDetailTechData=1#technical-data
[16:07] <ogra_> Rückfahrkamera 13.0MP
[16:07] <ogra_> LOL
[16:08] <Matthias01> hehe
[16:08] <ogra_> well,, that should be fine at least
[16:08] <dobey> ogra_: dual core because single would be too slow? or?
[16:08] <ogra_> though the currently supported devices are all based off 4.4 ... there is 5.0 stuff in the works but not sure how ready that is to be used for random ports
[16:09] <ogra_> dobey, yeah, it would hang a lot on IO
[16:09] <dobey> hmm
[16:10] <ogra_> single core arm is fine for IoT devices .... not so much if you want to have the HW responsive while it processes something
[16:10] <lotuspsychje> oh nice new gmail app makes new sounds!
[16:10] <dobey> ogra_: well, it's plenty responsive with webos
[16:11] <ogra_> it might also be responsive with ubuntu .... no idea
[16:11] <ogra_> will be hard to find any armv7 device with single core and a display nowadays anyway
[16:12] <dobey> ogra_: it's hard to find any new device that's not as big as a laptop nowadays anyway
[16:12] <ogra_> yeah
[16:13] <dobey> ogra_: but i started wondering last night if i could maybe get ubuntu ported to my pre3.
[16:13] <ogra_> technically for sure .. practically it wouldnt be fun i guess though
[16:13] <Matthias01> can you speak german?
[16:14] <dobey> ogra_: well i guess it would be easier if CM had a port to it, but they only have a touchpad port it seems
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> !de > Matthias01 we have a german ubuntu channel here, but not phone specific
[16:18] <Matthias01> ogra can you change to kubuntu german channel
[16:18] <Matthias01> ?
[16:26] <ogra_> pmcgowan, do you know if calendar syncing will be fixed any time in the future ? i havent been able to sync my gcal in weeks now
[16:26] <ogra_> Matthias01, i'd prefer not to, whats the issue ?
[16:27] <ogra_> (note that i cant help you much with the phone, i havent touched phone code in a year now)
[16:27] <pmcgowan> ogra_, I was not aware it was broken
[16:27] <pmcgowan> we havent touched that afaik
[16:28] <ogra_> pmcgowan, weird ... it seems to push events i add on the phone, but gives me an error if i want to sync down from gcal
[16:28] <pmcgowan> hmm
[16:28] <pmcgowan> I can try it here in a min
[16:28] <pmcgowan> ogra_, I did not see anyone report an issue
[16:28] <ogra_> and thats going on since a while .... i think there was even a ML thread about it
[16:29] <ogra_> yeah, from december
[16:29] <pmcgowan> hmm foo
[16:29] <ogra_> and another one from this saturday
[16:29] <pmcgowan> wonder if google changed something
[16:30] <pmcgowan> doubtful
[16:30] <ogra_> yeah
[16:30] <ogra_> but indeed they always could ... though i think thats actrually the one google thing with a properly documented API :)
[16:32] <pmcgowan> ogra_, the note from sat was more how does this work
[16:33] <ogra_> ah, sorry, i only did a subject search in evolution
[16:34] <pmcgowan> ogra_, and mitchell is seeing 1 of 3 cals sync only
[16:34] <pmcgowan> not sure about that
[16:34] <pmcgowan> may be more of an account issue
[16:34] <ogra_> well, i cant sync my @canonical calendar ... thats actually the only one i need/use
[16:34] <ogra_> let me delete the account and recreate
[16:37] <Matthias01> orga does it mean that you think it works at this phone?
[16:37] <dobey> Matthias01: it mens it can probably be ported to that phone
[16:38] <dobey> Matthias01: see the porting guide in the topic if you want to attempt it
[16:38] <ogra_> Matthias01, i dont know
[16:39] <ogra_> Matthias01, all i know is that the phone team started working on a 5.0 port and on a 64bit port after i moved to another team
[16:40] <ogra_> i cant tell you anything about the status of either of these, you have to ask someone from the phone team about more details
[16:45] <Saviq> ogra_, davmor2, I blame your pockets
[16:46] <dobey> i wonder if i could just replace the cpu in the pre3 with a krait instead.
[16:46] <davmor2> Saviq: I blame you!
[16:53] <ogra_> pmcgowan, ok, deleting and re-adding the account fixed my calendar it seems ...
[16:54] <ogra_> so i can blame dobey :P
[16:54] <pmcgowan> excellent :)
[16:54]  * dobey is not canada
[16:55] <ogra_> and not popey either i guess
[17:04] <ogra_> pmcgowan, hmm, but there is something else thats odd with the calendar app here
[17:04] <ogra_> seems all events start at 0:00 for me
[17:04] <ogra_> so if i have an even entry in the UI the whole day is colored from 0:00 until the envent ends
[17:05] <mhall119> sergiusens: mvo: can you take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-image/+bug/1464754 and let me know if you're happy with the approach we're taking in the two attached branches?
[17:06] <mhall119> sil2100: slangasek ^^ can you do the same for the server-side branch?
[17:07] <ogra_> pmcgowan, like this for all days i have events http://i.imgur.com/57GcO3f.png
[17:07] <pmcgowan> wtf
[17:07] <mhall119> mariogrip: can you add a link to the bug showing what the resulting json is on your server?
[17:07] <sil2100> hmmm
[17:08] <pmcgowan> ogra_, I think its bug time
[17:08] <ogra_> heh, yeah
[17:08] <sergiusens> mhall119, mariogrip maybe an MP might help spotting changes easier; mind creating one?
[17:09] <sil2100> mhall119: would have to take a look at that proposition first
[17:09] <mhall119> sil2100: the tl;dr is that some devices use more than one codename, which confuses ubuntu-device-flash, so mariogrip added the ability to list known aliases for a device
[17:10] <sergiusens> mhall119, it is weird that they use the same codename though; I would suspect they are mostly the same, but also different in some way
[17:10] <ogra_> pmcgowan, bah, fixed itself after a few restarts of the app :/
[17:10] <pmcgowan> oh no
[17:10] <ogra_> random breakage, yay
[17:10] <pmcgowan> sounds like an app bug
[17:10] <sergiusens> mhall119, like flo and deb
[17:11] <ogra_> yeah
[17:11] <pmcgowan> etoomanybugs
[17:11] <ogra_> yup
[17:13] <mhall119> sergiusens: no, like the OnePlus One reports one codename when booted into recovery, and another codename when booted into Android/Ubuntu
[17:13] <mhall119> one device, multiple codenames, not the other way around
[17:13] <mariogrip> sergiusens: also different names on different android roms
[17:14] <sergiusens> mhall119, oh, that is messed up indeed
[17:14] <sergiusens> mariogrip, that seems hacked up though ;-)
[17:14] <sergiusens> we can support it; but it seems someone branched the vendor branch for a product and didn't update the strings when porting
[17:15] <sil2100> I can see some merit in having alias support in system-image, but this really seems more like a broken case
[17:16] <sil2100> Anyway, will look at the branch
[17:16] <mhall119> thanks sil2100
[17:16] <mhall119> this would make supporting a few community ports much easier
[17:16] <mhall119> otherwise users need to find out what device name they have to specify on the commandline
[17:17] <mariogrip> should I MP it?
[17:17] <sil2100> mariogrip: I guess that would be good, easier to review
[17:17] <sil2100> :)
[17:18] <mariogrip> sil2100: done :)
[17:20] <sil2100> mariogrip: thanks! Will take a look at it tomorrow in the morning! (deep in other stuff right now)
[17:20] <mariogrip> sil2100: That's fine
[17:38] <peat-psuwit> Can I ship custom initrd script in boot.img? I want to override boot reason detection in my phone.
[18:11] <mhall119> sil2100: is there a reason that lp:ubuntu-syste-image points to an empty branch?
[18:11] <mhall119> should it point to something like  lp:~ubuntu-system-image/ubuntu-system-image/server ?
[18:13] <sergiusens> mhall119, it's on lp git, that's why
[18:14] <mhall119> oh...
[18:14] <ogra_> s-i is on git now ?
[18:14] <ogra_> ugh
[18:14] <mhall119> so then, is a bzr MP the wrong way to submit changes to it?
[18:15] <sil2100> mhall119: lp:ubuntu-system-image image points to the client by default, which is in git IIRC
[18:15] <sil2100> mhall119: you need to use lp:ubuntu-system-image/server as the target
[18:15] <ogra_> the evil git mafia is slowly taking over :P
[18:15] <mhall119> mariogrip: ^^ can you re-create your MP to target that branch?
[18:16] <sil2100> Correction: lp:~ubuntu-system-image/ubuntu-system-image/server
[18:16] <sil2100> Need to fix the alias since I see it got lost!
[18:17] <mariogrip> i'll do that
[18:19] <mariogrip> sil2100: fixed
[18:27] <dobey> ooh
[18:27] <dobey> the new blackbeerry would be a nice device to get ubuntu on
[18:27] <dobey> if only it was smaller
[18:29] <ogra_> there is a new BB ?
[18:29]  * ogra_ only heard about the slider and that had pretty awful reviews about the mechanic quality
[18:34] <genii> ogra_: Perhaps they mean the Priv
[18:35] <ogra_> genii, thats the one i mean, yeah
[18:36] <genii> The CPU in that one is notorious for overheating ( Snapdragon 808)
[18:37] <voidDotClass> Hey guys. Does ubuntu touch have a terminal like the desktop ubuntu / unity terminal? can I sudo from it, etc?
[18:37] <ogra_> indeed
[18:38] <voidDotClass> ogra_, and can regular android apps on playstore be run on ubuntu touch?
[18:38] <ogra_> no
[18:39] <voidDotClass> then why do people use ubuntu touch over regular android?
[18:39] <ogra_> to not be spyed on ? because they like linux more than some java execution env ... dunno
[18:40] <voidDotClass> ogra_, true, but if you can't run whatsapp, facebook, etc, that's kind of a deal breaker
[18:41] <ogra_> there is telegram instead ogf whatsapp and there is a facebook webapp ...
[18:41] <ogra_> it really depends on your needs
[18:42] <pmcgowan> there is also a facebook scope with pretty good integration
[18:42] <voidDotClass> ogra_, yeah, but i can't get the rest of the world to use telegram
[18:43] <ogra_> well, i personally dont talk to the rest of the world ... and my friends are fine to use telegram to talk to me
[18:43] <voidDotClass> ogra_, haha
[18:44] <voidDotClass> how long is your beard?
[18:44] <ogra_> 4mm :)
[18:44] <voidDotClass> lol
[18:45] <voidDotClass> Anyway, so I might keep android on phone, and install touch on tablet, if it means i can use terminal like normal ubuntu on tablet
[18:45] <ogra_> yes
[18:45] <voidDotClass> how hard is it to install touch on a new samsung galaxy tablet?
[18:45] <voidDotClass> and can you still watch youtube, use chrome, etc right?
[18:45] <ogra_> if you deeply know android and ubuntu it possibly takes you a month of work
[18:46] <ogra_> if not then it takes longer
[18:46] <voidDotClass> ogra_, really......
[18:46] <voidDotClass> why so long
[18:47] <ogra_> ubuntu runs a little android container to make the binary drivers work ... to build that container you need to know a lot about how you build android and how to rip out 99% of it (but keep the HW related bits)
[18:47] <voidDotClass> ogra_, isn't there a wiki page that details all of it?
[18:48] <ogra_> there is ... but thats a) outdated and b) not a complete process
[18:48] <ogra_> you need to bring in a lot of basic knowledge yourself
[18:49] <ogra_> and indeed there are device specific bits that arent covered at all ... loke the bootloader setuip and the process to be able to flash something new onto the device etc
[18:49] <ogra_> (i think for samsung you need to know about odin/heimdal stuff for that for example)
[18:53] <flux__> let's kickstart edge2! ubuntu phone -android i have 2$ to spare
[18:53]  * ogra_ hands the jar to flux__ 
[18:54] <flux__> :))
[18:54] <flux__> please gib money to edge2!
[18:56] <popey> ogra_, the porting guide isn't outdated
[18:56] <ogra_> oh, someone updated it ?
[18:56] <popey> yes
[18:56] <ogra_> cool !
[18:56] <popey> but it's still frustratingly scant on detail
[18:56] <ogra_> i stand corrected then :)
[18:56] <popey> everyone who knows about it never contributes to it :(
[18:56] <ogra_> right, yxou need to fill the gaps with own knowledge
[18:58] <flux__> uh oh new music app
[18:59] <flux__> i can change to the next track from the sound indicator ONLY if music app is in foreground
[18:59] <flux__> it doesn't work if it's in the background
[18:59] <flux__> how silly is that?
[18:59] <ogra_> sounds like a bug
[19:00] <flux__> silly bug, right?
[19:00] <pmcgowan> oh dear
[19:01] <pmcgowan> rvr, charles ^^
[19:01] <tathhu> .. is there any changelog for facebook-webapp?
[19:01] <flux__> so i'm half drunk, please try to confirm the bug :D i'm not touching launchpad while beer
[19:02] <pmcgowan> lol
[19:02] <pmcgowan> its confirmed much to my chagrine
[19:02] <flux__> :)
[19:02] <popey> pass the beer to pmcgowan :)
[19:02]  * pmcgowan starts drinking early
[19:04] <tathhu> flux__, rvr charles, I can change song while music app is on backround
[19:04] <flux__> tathhu, uh. i'm on arale/rc-proposed
[19:04] <flux__> strange
[19:04] <flux__> let me restart the phone? maybe?
[19:04] <tathhu> OTA9 here
[19:05] <flux__> ok then. OTA9 is safe, phew
[19:05] <tathhu> also, vegetahd :P
[19:05] <flux__> E5?
[19:05] <tathhu> yes
[19:07] <flux__> uh, works now!
[19:07] <flux__> after restart
[19:07] <flux__> o_O
[19:07] <flux__> false alarm guys!
[19:07] <pmcgowan> really?
[19:08] <flux__> yep, now prev next are active in the sound indicator
[19:08] <flux__> with the music app in background
[19:08] <pmcgowan> interesting, will need to invalidate that bug now
[19:08] <pmcgowan> or modif it a tad
[19:09] <flux__> ooops, sorry!
[19:09] <pmcgowan> no problem, still a bug
[19:10] <flux__> yep
[19:10] <pmcgowan> hmm
[19:10] <pmcgowan> if I go to the dash they all get disabled and mediaplayer comes up
[19:11] <pmcgowan> that was already reported I think
[19:11] <flux__> there's also another bug, i see a gray rectangle on top while loading music app
[19:11] <flux__> 50px height or something
[19:12] <flux__> uh oh,, screenshot killed music app
[19:12] <pmcgowan> yeah that was reported earlier
[19:13] <pmcgowan> oh my, want a job in QA?
[19:13] <flux__> i'll look at the logs later :D
[19:13] <flux__> ogra_, g+ apps also crashes often
[19:14] <ogra_> not here
[19:14] <pmcgowan> popey, so with the new music app I see that white bar flash, but only that app afaict
[19:14] <flux__> pmcgowan, thanks :D
[19:19] <dobey> ogra_: oh yeah, i mean the priv. i didn't read any reviews, just saw it was a thin slider
[19:21] <dobey> hmm
[19:21] <pmcgowan> popey, I take it back, its jumping, must be something that just landed
[19:23] <dobey> pmcgowan: is that how davmor2 does it? "try using the phone while drunk" ?
[19:23]  * dobey changes all his test plans to say "drink 8 beers, try to use"
[19:24] <davmor2> dobey: no I just hit it with different sized hammers till it breaks :)
[19:24] <dobey> davmor2: you british are so literal. that's not what "getting hammered" means
[19:25] <pmcgowan> lol
[19:25] <pmcgowan> fortunately for us davmor2 doesnt drink
[19:25] <davmor2> :D
[19:40] <strixdio> Hello everyone :)
[19:41] <strixdio> Is it possible to chromecast with ubuntu touch? i.e. netflix, plex, emby, etc?
[19:45] <davmor2> strixdio: no, and none of those apps are available yet.  We have a casting system in the works but not ready for a while yet
[19:47] <strixdio> oic
[19:47] <strixdio> Okay.
[19:48] <strixdio> Looking to get off android, but it doesn't seem it can be a daily driver yet :(
[19:49] <matv1> do the bq and meizu devices get priority over the nexuses with the update roll out?
[19:50] <davmor2> matv1: not that I know too just a roll out over all
[19:50] <matv1> davmor2 okay thanks. jw
[19:53] <dobey> hmmm
[19:53] <matv1> its taking far too long for my nexus to get its update. I am not all all pleased with this  expanding user base
[19:54]  * matv1 is longing back for the old days when they virtually made that UT thing just for me :)
[19:56] <matv1> updates within the hour \o/ yeahh
[20:00] <dobey> would be nice if google opened up the cast api more
[20:03] <dobey> i wonder what the actual license is for the Google Cast extension in chrome
[20:21] <peto> hi do you have some good tutorial how to port (N7000)? is something better then on wiki?
[21:01] <strixdio> I wonder how "easy" it would be for me to dev for ubuntu touch.
[21:02] <strixdio> 22 years programming for windows...
[21:02] <strixdio> never did a thing for linux sadly.
[21:02] <Niju> My gallery seems to have been corrupted a few weeks back.
[21:04] <dobey> strixdio: depends on what you want to write. code is just code, only difference is what APIs you're calling
[21:05] <strixdio> hm
[21:06] <Niju> OTA9 hasnt fixed it tho. Any new photos show up in photo scope but not gallery
[21:06] <Niju> and gallery has some weird icon pics in it
[21:20] <CountryfiedLinux> howdy
[21:20] <CountryfiedLinux> Are the Ubuntu phones GSM?
[21:22] <kevie> evening folks
[21:22] <kevie> how did your OTA updates go today?
[21:26] <popey> worked for me
[21:26] <popey> just got it
[21:27] <k1l_> my n4 is updated alread, too
[21:28] <matv1> mine hasn' t :(
[21:30] <pmcgowan> just got it
[21:30] <kevie> I've received it but it keeps restarting ATM
[21:30] <popey> What device?
[21:31] <kevie> bq E5
[21:32] <kevie> That's it done now
[21:32] <kevie> but it started at 7.55pm (now 9.32pm)
[21:32]  * popey updates nexus 7 and nexus 4
[21:33] <kevie> It just seemed to keep restarting the phone and then not getting to the UI
[21:33] <pmcgowan> kevie, any chance you had low battery?
[21:33] <kevie> Then it returned to pre-install OTA-9 and did it again and it was fine
[21:33] <Ahmed> Is Ubuntu Toich an OS?
[21:33] <kevie> pmcgown: battery says 40%
[21:33] <Ahmed> Touch*
[21:34] <k1l_> Ahmed: yes, its ubuntu for smartphones and tabets
[21:34] <k1l_> *tablets
[21:34] <pmcgowan> Ahmed, its just ubuntu really
[21:34] <pmcgowan> kevie, so it booted back into ota8.5? or finally got to 9
[21:35] <dobey> ahayzen: ubuntu touch is just ubuntu
[21:36] <kevie> it booted back into OTA8.5 and then asked me to install OTA9 again, it seemed to go fine the second time (no 2nd download, just installed again)
[21:37] <Guest58995> Hmm... I'm familiar with installing Linux on PC but it seems different for mobile... Will experiment then...
[21:37] <Guest58995> Thanks
[21:38] <pmcgowan> kevie, thats odd
[21:38] <popey> Guest58995, only specific devices are supported
[21:38] <popey> !devices | Guest58995
[21:38] <popey> bah
[21:38] <kevie> gave me a panic, as I was without a phone for 90 mins
[21:39] <popey> I was without a phone for 22 years of my life :)
[21:39] <pmcgowan> yeah not good, popey  ever seen anything like that?
[21:39] <popey> no.
[21:40] <dobey> popey: lol yeah. now cell phones just pop out with the babies
[21:40] <popey> pmcgowan, I wonder if we should have some documented debug steps for people whose phones don't update easily
[21:40] <popey> seems like something we could cover on askubuntu
[21:41] <pmcgowan> might be tricky though
[21:41] <pmcgowan> like here not sure where to start
[21:41] <edude03> Hey guys
[21:41] <pmcgowan> hey
[21:41] <popey> well indeed
[21:41] <edude03> Hmm, so I want to try out 16.04 on the Nexus 5, is there any branch that I can install atm?
[21:41] <sakrecoer_> looking into buying a bq e5, and i'm wondering if there might be any coupon codes to benefit from and how to qualify for such coupon? no high hopes, but i figure i have to ask if i want to know :)
[21:42] <pmcgowan> edude03, 16.04 is quite rough on the phones right now
[21:42] <popey> I don't think so sakrecoer_
[21:42] <edude03> tried devel and devel-proposed but I get stuck at a "this device needs to be restored from a PC" or something like that
[21:42] <popey> Nexus 5 has no decent 16.04 image
[21:42] <pmcgowan> edude03, we dont recommend devel atm
[21:42] <popey> An updated vivid image is being worked on though
[21:43] <edude03> I'm flashing vivid as we speak
[21:43] <edude03> Should I give vivid-proposed a shot?
[21:43] <yam_ez> does it run on E5s, seeing that's around the same price in the UK?
[21:43] <popey> I need to get an E5
[21:44] <edude03> I need an MX4
[21:44] <edude03> Anyone want to sell me one ;)
[21:44] <popey> i need to get the screen fixed on my mx4
[21:44] <popey> it's busted
[21:44] <sakrecoer_> thanks anyways popey :)
[21:45] <dobey> edude03: you do not want to try 16.04 on the nexus 5
[21:45] <edude03> :'(
[21:45] <edude03> I bought the nexus 5 just to try 16.04
[21:45] <popey> dobey, I was at SCaLE with Ian from System87 - he's keen to help mariogrip get an updated Nexus 5 image out
[21:45] <popey> *system76
[21:45] <pmcgowan> popey, do you have two "notes" apps on your krillin? I thought I fresh flashed this and it has the old one too
[21:46] <dobey> edude03: what is it that you want to try? the rc-proposed channel on ubports.com is pretty decent, minus all the stuff that doesn't work
[21:46] <popey> pmcgowan, i do
[21:46] <dobey> popey: cool
[21:46] <edude03> Mostly just want to see it poke at it
[21:46] <pmcgowan> popey, I wonder if its still in the tarball
[21:46] <edude03> try and kexec into a new kernel
[21:46] <dobey> edude03: "new" kernel?
[21:46] <popey> pmcgowan, it's not in /usr/share/click/preinstalled
[21:46] <popey> (on mine)
[21:46] <edude03> a kernel that's not part of the image
[21:47] <pmcgowan> popey, ok not sure how it got there
[21:47] <popey> i may have had it for aeons though
[21:47] <pmcgowan> amazing it works
[21:47] <popey> date stamp on my /opt/click.ubuntu.com/com.ubuntu.notes is sept
[21:47] <dobey> edude03: any kernel that's not from an android build with the necessary patches and features enabled, and with the drivers avaialble, will pretty much immediately result in a broken phone
[21:47] <popey> it does? blimey
[21:48] <edude03> dobey I know :/ doesn't mean I can't take the existing kernel change the config then kexec into it
[21:48] <mariogrip> popey: I would love to help to get bt working and sort out the power issues on the nexus 5
[21:48] <popey> mariogrip, I know you're super busy
[21:48] <popey> mariogrip, would love to get more people involved
[21:48] <dobey> mariogrip: power is actually pretty decent now
[21:48] <popey> Yeah, Ian had his Nexus 5 with him most of the time.
[21:48] <dobey> edude03: why kexec? you can build a kernel, and then just use fastboot to boot it for testing
[21:49] <popey> Actually ssh'ed to a server in the DC and started the whole phablet-dev-setup thing from there. :)
[21:49] <edude03> OK sure dobey - sticking point is booting 16.04 though
[21:49] <popey> he built an updated image, but dunno how far he got
[21:49] <popey> edude03, don't even try 16.04
[21:49] <edude03> Are you saying ubports has a nexus 5 image?
[21:49] <mariogrip> I love what I do, so I don't mind being busy :)
[21:49] <popey> it's way unsupported
[21:49] <dobey> edude03: why are you fixated on 16.04?
[21:49] <popey> hehe mariogrip
[21:49] <dobey> edude03: you're not going to boot linux 4.4 and have a working phone, on the nexus 5
[21:50] <popey> mariogrip, but there's limited hours in the day (and night) and more brain cells on it won't hurt
[21:50] <dobey> edude03: yes, ubports.com has nexus5 images in stable and rc-proposed channels
[21:50] <edude03> Because 16.04 is the next version - no point on working on fixing something that's not supported anymore
[21:50] <popey> pmcgowan, i already had it because I was testing the update I did to it last year to unbreak it
[21:50] <popey> edude03, it is supported
[21:50] <popey> we support vivid via an overlay ppa
[21:50] <dobey> edude03: the phone images are supported
[21:51] <dobey> edude03: the phone images aren't vivid exactly anyway, so calling them 15.04 or vivid is not quite right
[21:51] <edude03> ok sure
[21:51] <kevie> later
[21:51] <edude03> vivid proposed is basically OTA9 correct? And does it work?
[21:51] <popey> not on nexus 5
[21:51] <popey> the nexus 5 image is a bit old
[21:51] <popey> but is still vivid+overlay - and not 16.04
[21:52] <popey> _no_ phone has 16.04
[21:52] <popey> pmcgowan, do we have a target for moving to 16.04? OTA-25? :)
[21:52] <pmcgowan> hah
[21:52] <dobey> popey: no it's not. the nexus5 image on ubports is the same as the nexus4 images
[21:52] <mariogrip> popey: unfortunately it is, I wish I didn't have to sleep. I don't own a nexus 5 so there isn't much i can do, but I can help with question ian has
[21:52] <pmcgowan> popey, well it will be after april but this year
[21:52] <dobey> popey: i'm running rc-proposed from ther eon my phone right now
[21:53] <popey> ok
[21:54] <dobey> and the battery life is mostly pretty good now
[21:54] <popey> Ian had problems with reboot/shutdown
[21:54] <dobey> there are some occasional weird issues still
[21:54] <dobey> but mostly pretty reliable
[21:54] <dobey> yeah, i have some issues with reboot/shutdown sometimes, but try to avoid doing that if i can
[21:55] <pmcgowan> reboot fails on other devices occasionally, we just haven't figured it out, it nevers goes down
[21:55] <pmcgowan> but its rare
[21:56] <dobey> yeah, there are other issues on nexus5 related to screen not powering on properly, and sometimes the mir surface is aligned weirdly
[21:56] <edude03> huh going to try the rc-proposed then, wish me luck
[21:58] <dobey> but my nexus5 has the battery go down only maybe 30-40% in 12 hours, as long as nothing crazy happens
[21:58] <dobey> which is much better than the 75-85% drop it was previously doing
[22:01] <sakrecoer_> thanks for your work guys! i'll probably be back once my device has landed. :) cya o/~
[22:10] <edude03> hmm I tried it and got kicked to the same recovery screen
[22:11] <edude03> do I need to flash a certain android version first dobey ?
[22:11] <dobey> edude03: 4.4 would be best, yeah
[22:11] <edude03> ugh ok
[22:12] <edude03> Yeah I was running 6.0.1 already
[22:12] <dobey> yeah, 6.0 broke some things
[22:12] <dobey> well 5.x did too, and then 6.0 broke them some more
[22:12] <dobey> hopefully we'll be able to get 5.x based builds going soon though
[22:15] <edude03> What's the blockers on the 5.0 based build? I reeeaaaallly need/want that :P
[22:16] <dobey> i don't know
[22:16] <dobey> why do you need a 5.0 based build?
[22:16] <dobey> it's not like you're running android any more at that point
[22:16] <mcphail> would we get overlayfs on a 5.0 build?
[22:17] <dobey> mcphail: eh? we already have overlayfs don't we?
[22:17] <mcphail> dobey: don't think so. Think the 4.x kernel is too old (or so I was told)
[22:18] <dobey> oh i thought we were using overlayfs to do the rw stuff on top of the ro image, for certain things
[22:18] <edude03> OH actually I can tell you what I'm thinking - I want to get the udl driver into the kernel
[22:18] <mcphail> dobey: no - that's what I want it for
[22:19] <dobey> udl?
[22:19] <dobey> mcphail: lol, well, https://github.com/adilinden/overlayfs-patches/commit/c50c5f66699d3e0bfa718d3f8ec03250e59fcc44
[22:19] <edude03> DisplayLinks open sorce USB => Displayport/vga/hdmi driver
[22:20] <dobey> mcphail: the patch is backported, but don't know if it's in the android kernel already
[22:20] <edude03> gotta switch networks to reflash my phone brb
[22:21] <dobey> lol "udl driver" search gives me a bunch of links about ms access
[22:21] <dobey> edude03: well apparently udl was in 3.4, which is what android 4.x has
[22:21] <dobey> err, n/m then
[22:23] <mcphail> dobey: does't look as if overlayfs is in the current kernel. WOuld be good to have it backported
[22:24] <dobey> anyway, isn't the udl thing the same thing that slimport is?
[23:15] <pseudonymous> I have a MX4 which has gotten progressively buggier (grumpier?) - also, I've noticed that I've never ever been asked to install any updates. Is there some way to check which version I've got and some way by which I can update it to something more current ?
[23:16] <mcphail> pseudonymous: have you gone off-piste with it in the past? Made the root filesystem writable? Installed .debs etc?
[23:17] <pseudonymous> mcphail: I can't actually remember if I've succeeded in making anything writeable. But I haven't installed any debs.
[23:18] <mcphail> pseudonymous: might be worth just reflashing the current stable version with "--bootstrap" to overwrite any damage you may have done in the past
[23:18] <mcphail> pseudonymous: that will wipe everything, so backup docs/data first
[23:18] <pseudonymous> It should be said, though, that I'm willing to do whatever it takes. Things are so annoying by now that hardly a day goes by without me fantasizing in some detail about how I'd throw the darned thing against some wall.
[23:19] <mcphail> pseudonymous: current releases are _much_ better, so worth a try
[23:19] <pseudonymous> mcphail: is there a way that I can get the version number/branch I have that I may verify what I'm stuck on ?
[23:20] <mcphail> pseudonymous: the "about phone" screen should give you a version number. There's a cheat-sheet somewhere that ties that into an OTA number
[23:21] <pseudonymous> mcphail: ah. I'll begin searching for a bootstrap/flash guide (I'm sure there's a page on ubuntu about it, somewhere - maybe it'll even say how I can backup ? :) )
[23:22] <mcphail> pseudonymous: I don't think there is a fancy way to back up yet - simply copy whatever you need from $HOME ;)
[23:23] <pseudonymous> mcphail: oh dear :P Wait... can I read my texts with less ?!
[23:24] <mcphail> pseudonymous: don't know. Haven't hunted them down. I assumed they lived in an sqlite3 database somewhere but I have never checked...
[23:25]  * mcphail has never bothered with a backup before wiping
[23:25] <edude03> Cool, got the rc-proposed image running, thanks dobey
[23:28] <popey> they are
[23:28] <popey> (in sqlite3)
[23:29] <pseudonymous> Guess it's time to figure out how I can ssh into this thing. If possible, it would be nice to save bookmarks, contacts & texts
[23:31] <popey> what version are you running?
[23:31] <popey> open terminal and do "system-image-cli --info"
[23:33] <pseudonymous> version version: 4 ; last update: 2015-09-30 ; version ubuntu: 20150825.1
[23:33] <popey> what channel?
[23:34] <pseudonymous> Hahaha, I'm guessing Ubuntu started fearing for its life. I don't know if it's because I went on WIFI or if it's because of me running that system-image-cli command. But guess what just informed me that there's an update available ;)
[23:34] <popey> wonder if running system-image-cli triggered it
[23:35] <pseudonymous> popey: seems like it, I was reading the output and less than 20 seconds later, the systems icon started shaking. Didn't pick up which channel I was on, but I'm taking the ubuntu update now (said version 9 in the gui ? :S )
[23:35] <popey> strange
[23:36] <popey> but the fact that you had 4 is interesting
[23:36] <popey> that's super old
[23:36] <pseudonymous> Well I noticed a few months ago that the newer UI sketches didn't use coloured buttons anywhere while mine were solid red/green for restart/shutdown etc.. So yea, I thought something was up
[23:42] <pseudonymous> OTA-9, ubuntu-touch/stable/meizu.en. Interesting. This will be interesting :)