| claydoh | ok, ray burke is back on the mailing list, and as usual does not remember things he's been told about many times in the past, email-wise | 06:10 |
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| claydoh | so anyone offering aid please take that into considersation. He needs specific, step-by-step hand-holding | 06:11 |
| claydoh | Mamarok: : and valorie I've already responded to his usual email-all-the-addresses-possible off-list, and bcc'd you both | 06:13 |
| valorie | thank you claydoh | 06:14 |
| valorie | perhaps he's senile or so? | 06:14 |
| claydoh | perhaps, it has been tis way for years | 06:14 |
| claydoh | many years | 06:14 |
| valorie | I admin quite a few genealogy lists, and am used to clueless old windows users | 06:15 |
| claydoh | he can't follow an email thread, which of course with multiple people assistng confuses him | 06:15 |
| valorie | many of them I just moderate full-time, and only allow the few on-topic posts | 06:16 |
| valorie | does he do better on a forum, claydoh? | 06:17 |
| claydoh | he would, but I have not been ablle to get him to go there, or he has been, but is quite easily confused | 06:17 |
| valorie | poor old thing | 06:18 |
| valorie | but tiresome to the helpful folks | 06:18 |
| claydoh | unlike steve vollum, who is an elderly gentleman who may be in a home, but has done sooo much better there | 06:18 |
| valorie | well, everyone ages differently | 06:20 |
| valorie | my mother had alzheimers, and grew paranoid | 06:21 |
| valorie | my dad is very senile, and just seems peaceful | 06:21 |
| valorie | hardly speaks anymore, and is now forgetting how to swallow | 06:21 |
| soee | hiho | 07:12 |
| aseques | Hello, after upgrading to kubuntu willy backports I have to different audio mixers | 08:02 |
| aseques | I've both kmix, and sound volume | 08:03 |
| aseques | Which one is the default with current releases? | 08:03 |
| aseques | 'sound volume has a nice osd display, but not sure if it's kde's default | 08:05 |
| valorie | yes, you can remove the one you don't want | 08:07 |
| valorie | unfortunately, both have features the other one doesn't | 08:07 |
| valorie | still | 08:07 |
| soee | valorie: but plamsa-pa is developed so i suggest using it | 09:01 |
| soee | in Plasma 5.6 it will also have option to controll various sound sources like kmix | 09:02 |
| soee | so it will be pretty the same (without widow with shortcuts to some caonfigurations etc. but this can be done through System Settings -> Multimedia anyway) | 09:03 |
| === soee changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly computing | Plasma 5.4.3: W/PPA 5.5.4: X/PPA, Apps 15.08.3: W/PPA, 15.12.1: X/WIP, FW 5.18: X/LANDING | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | Package Docs (WIP) https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-packaging | plasma 5.5 in kubuntu-ppa/ppa-landing for xenial, kubuntu-ppa/backports for wily | ||
| valorie | soee: right now I just leave them both | 09:05 |
| soee | ;o | 09:07 |
| soee | :) | 09:08 |
| soee | valorie: can you test 5.5.4 ? are you on Xenial ? | 09:08 |
| soee | i would liek to have 10 people that will test stuff before release :} | 09:09 |
| valorie | is it the ppa landing you want tested? | 09:15 |
| valorie | and yes, I can | 09:15 |
| soee | valorie: staging-plasma | 09:16 |
| soee | it has been tested already by 4 people | 09:16 |
| valorie | if you want more testers, call for them | 09:19 |
| === yofel changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly computing | Plasma 5.4.3: W/PPA 5.5.4: X/WIP, Apps 15.08.3: W/PPA, 15.12.1: X/WIP, FW 5.18: X/LANDING | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | Package Docs (WIP) https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-packaging | plasma 5.5 in kubuntu-ppa/ppa-landing for xenial, kubuntu-ppa/backports for wily | ||
| yofel | moin | 09:21 |
| yofel | soee: while it's in staging please use WIP, once it's in landing use LANDING | 09:21 |
| yofel | and please don't do public tester calls for staging | 09:21 |
| valorie | hmm, so what should I do? | 09:22 |
| valorie | it's my travel laptop, so I'm ok with testing with it | 09:22 |
| valorie | that's what I use it for when I"m not traveling | 09:22 |
| yofel | I'll copy it to landing | 09:23 |
| yofel | not sure why clive didn't do that, I did tell him to copy it | 09:23 |
| valorie | ok | 09:23 |
| yofel | copied, you'll get it once the publisher is done | 09:26 |
| yofel | now to fix the topic again | 09:26 |
| valorie | thank you yofel | 09:29 |
| === yofel changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly computing | Plasma 5.4.3: W/PPA 5.5.4: X/LANDING, Apps 15.08.3: W/PPA, 15.12.1: X/WIP, FW 5.18: X/LANDING | https://trello.com/kubuntu | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ | Package Docs (WIP) https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-packaging | plasma 5.5 in kubuntu-ppa/ppa-landing for xenial, kubuntu-ppa/backports for wily | ||
| soee | yofel: ok. i thought people here can test it as they know what they are doing :) | 09:45 |
| valorie | ok, my xenial updates are about done, so I just add back the ppa-landing? | 09:47 |
| yofel | soee: well, as long as it's here, ~ok. I just don't like people using staging directly because I don't intend to tell anyone when I upload something there that might make a mess | 09:47 |
| valorie | what I mean is, is the move done | 09:47 |
| yofel | and landing is what's supposed to be used for testing | 09:47 |
| soee | yofel: right :) | 09:47 |
| soee | so atm. we have only apps 15.12.1 not done | 09:49 |
| soee | and what about 5.5.4 backport - are we doing it ? | 09:49 |
| yofel | sure | 09:49 |
| valorie | added, now updating | 09:55 |
| Mirv | now Qt 5.6 is moved to March | 10:09 |
| yofel | *sigh* | 10:09 |
| Mirv | indeed | 10:09 |
| snele | and they don't want to do one more qt 5.5 bugfix release... | 10:14 |
| soee | Mirv: where i can see some announcement ? | 10:14 |
| snele | soee: https://wiki.qt.io/Qt-5.6-release | 10:15 |
| snele | yofel: is it possible to have patches from qt 5.6 backported to ubuntu's qt 5.5? for example for missing icons in systray at boot | 10:17 |
| soee | but no info why it is postponed ? | 10:18 |
| Mirv | soee: the wiki page indeed, I suspect there was a release meeting earlier this week but the notes from it haven't been posted | 10:20 |
| yofel | snele: we can certainly look at them | 10:20 |
| Mirv | snele: sure, there are _lots_ of backported patches from Qt 5.6 already in qtbase and qtdeclarative | 10:21 |
| Mirv | soee: remaining bugs. Qt is a bit notorious with late releases.. the 5.6 was postponed from October to December already in the planning phase to have a "realistic" goal of releasing it in December. and then 5.7 was supposed to happen in April. | 10:22 |
| Mirv | or maybe it's also that all projects seem notorious with late releases when compared to Ubuntu :) | 10:22 |
| soee | well but in teh end better to have stable release than early buggy product | 10:22 |
| Mirv | yeah, good release planning would help though. somehow it gets too unstable during their development cycle, even though they have lots of CI. | 10:23 |
| soee | the biggest minus here is taht 5.6 probably wont make it into 16.04 | 10:23 |
| Mirv | of course Qt is a huge project too, abstraction of everything on every platform is not the easiest job | 10:24 |
| soee | true | 10:24 |
| soee | maybe better way would be to add less features but make releases faster | 10:25 |
| soee | this way people can test what was released and report issues and than quicker fixes would be released | 10:26 |
| valorie | soee: my xenial upgrade was totally smooth and wonderful | 10:41 |
| soee | valorie: COOL, THANK YOU | 10:49 |
| soee | sorry for UC | 10:49 |
| mparillo | Plasma 5.5.4 is in ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa-landing ? | 11:17 |
| mparillo | For Xenial? | 11:18 |
| soee | mparillo: yes | 11:19 |
| mparillo | It looks as if some apps were upgraded also. Including kate, and Muon Update Manager. | 11:22 |
| mparillo | Downloading now. | 11:23 |
| clivejo | yofel: I wanted to test it myself before copying | 11:35 |
| clivejo | then I got tired and went to bed! | 11:36 |
| yofel | ah ok, very reasonable decision :) | 11:36 |
| yofel | sorry for storming in | 11:37 |
| clivejo | seems to be stable though | 11:37 |
| clivejo | dont be sorry, you didnt know! | 11:37 |
| clivejo | not a mind reader | 11:37 |
| clivejo | well I hope not :P | 11:38 |
| clivejo | you might interfer with my plans for galactic domination | 11:38 |
| mparillo | Updates completed. Time to re-boot. | 11:39 |
| clivejo | my death star will be powered by Mycroft and Kubuntu | 11:42 |
| mparillo | Kinfocenter reports Plasma 5.5.4. No immediate obvious breakage in krunner, konsole, konversation either. Well done clivejo and yofel. | 11:44 |
| mparillo | Plus this time, after applying updates, my kicker (which also seems to work after the re-boot) I was able to use it for the shutdown, without a sudo poweroff. | 11:45 |
| clivejo | yofel: has there been a call for testing? | 11:45 |
| mparillo | Assumming it is not worthy of a kubuntu.org news post, I would be happy to put it on the wire. | 11:45 |
| yofel | not yet | 11:45 |
| mparillo | When you are feeling comfortable. | 11:46 |
| yofel | the news post comes with the backports | 11:46 |
| clivejo | I think thats over 10 people now | 11:46 |
| yofel | and the shutdown issue only happens for major version updates, not bugfixes | 11:46 |
| yofel | which is annoying enough | 11:46 |
| BluesKaj | Hiyas all | 12:13 |
| clivejo | hi BluesKaj | 12:15 |
| BluesKaj | Hi clivejo | 12:15 |
| clivejo | mind testing plasma 5.5.4? | 12:15 |
| clivejo | on xenial | 12:15 |
| BluesKaj | clivejo, ok | 12:16 |
| clivejo | its in the landing PPA | 12:16 |
| BluesKaj | I had to roll back to 5.4.3 due to a kserver error 2 days ago | 12:18 |
| clivejo | oh right | 12:19 |
| clivejo | never mind | 12:19 |
| BluesKaj | so I had to ppa-purge the ci/stable and landing ppas | 12:19 |
| BluesKaj | clivejo, is that server error fixed, if so I'd be willing to try the landing ppa again | 12:21 |
| acher88 | BluesKaj: not had that here at any stage testing the ppas | 12:28 |
| clivejo | BluesKaj: probably cause you used the KCI PPA's? | 12:39 |
| clivejo | KCI will have breakages | 12:39 |
| soee | clivejo: ping | 12:43 |
| BluesKaj | acher88, yeah I noticed the error was hone after purging the ci ppa, but got spooked and purged the landing as well | 12:45 |
| BluesKaj | gone | 12:45 |
| BluesKaj | ok, got plasma 5.5.4 | 13:08 |
| mparillo | For some reason (maybe 5.5.4), now krunner autocompletes Okular again, and dolphin opens PDFs using Okular. Big improvement over yesterday. | 13:12 |
| sgclark | morning | 13:45 |
| soee | hiho :) | 13:45 |
| soee | sgclark: do you have time to start 5.5.4 backport ? | 13:46 |
| sgclark | me? nope, so very behind :( so sorry | 13:51 |
| clivejo | hi soee | 14:02 |
| soee | clivejo: would you be interested in in packaging tomahawk ? | 14:05 |
| clivejo | no idea what that is | 14:05 |
| clivejo | !info tomahawk | 14:06 |
| ubottu | tomahawk (source: tomahawk): Social media player. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.0+dfsg1-0ubuntu7 (wily), package size 4005 kB, installed size 13370 kB | 14:06 |
| clivejo | !info tomahawk xenial | 14:06 |
| ubottu | tomahawk (source: tomahawk): Social media player. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.0+dfsg1-0ubuntu9 (xenial), package size 3994 kB, installed size 13354 kB | 14:06 |
| morphis | anyone know who would responsible for a failing build of kwin due to a new libhybris update in xenial? | 14:08 |
| mgraesslin | morphis: Ubuntu for having a fork of libhybris in the archive | 14:10 |
| sitter | http://cdnimg3.webstaurantstore.com/images/products/extra_large/45500/241884.jpg | 14:10 |
| morphis | mgraesslin: there is a reason for having a "fork" | 14:10 |
| morphis | but that is changing | 14:10 |
| morphis | things are moved out of hybris and its becoming more or less a direct import from upstream, but that will take time | 14:11 |
| mgraesslin | please note that I don't care about why or why not there is a fork | 14:11 |
| morphis | that is fine :-) | 14:11 |
| morphis | mgraesslin: however kwin is failing to build now: mgraesslin: basically https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-xenial-ci-train-ppa-service-landing-012/xenial/amd64/k/kwin/20160128_122444@/log.gz | 14:12 |
| mgraesslin | shrug | 14:12 |
| morphis | now sure how you are going to handle this but hybris will become more or less just a dlopen/dlsym wrapper rather than providing any abstracted APIs | 14:12 |
| soee | clivejo: some days ago tomahawk devs wanted some packager | 14:14 |
| bshah | is it against git master libhybris? | 14:14 |
| bshah | morphis: ^ (build failure) | 14:14 |
| clivejo | where is the packaging? | 14:14 |
| morphis | bshah: which git master do you mean? upstream? | 14:14 |
| clivejo | https://launchpad.net/~tomahawk | 14:14 |
| clivejo | yofel: you own this team? | 14:14 |
| bshah | that error in kwin, what is libhybris being used? | 14:15 |
| morphis | bshah: https://git.launchpad.net/~libhybris-maintainers/libhybris/+git/libhybris/ is what we're currently going to land | 14:15 |
| morphis | its not in par with upstream yet but very close | 14:15 |
| morphis | bshah: as I already mentioned above you should also expect us to drop the hwcomposer wrapper at all at some point | 14:17 |
| bshah | morphis: well thing is, for plasma mobile we use https://github.com/libhybris/libhybris directly | 14:18 |
| bshah | with packaging from : https://github.com/plasma-phone-packaging/libhybris (upstream forked at some point) | 14:19 |
| morphis | bshah: I see | 14:20 |
| yofel | soee: someone else is already trying to update tomahawk | 14:22 |
| yofel | clivejo: I do, but haven't touched it in months | 14:22 |
| clivejo | Stefan Ahlers? | 14:23 |
| morphis | bshah: however then kwin in the archive should have hybris support disabled | 14:26 |
| bshah | morphis: yes.. it is good idea | 14:26 |
| bshah | however I don't have access to things.. :) | 14:26 |
| mgraesslin | morphis: or maybe Ubuntu renames libhybris in the archive, so that it doesn't get picked up and breaks the build | 14:26 |
| morphis | mgraesslin: why should we rename it? | 14:26 |
| mgraesslin | because it's a fork | 14:27 |
| morphis | mgraesslin: as I said, that is changing | 14:27 |
| morphis | mgraesslin: count it on history and pressure but that is how things are | 14:27 |
| mgraesslin | sure, just if one forks and doesn't rename it's causing problems | 14:28 |
| mgraesslin | of course version numbers in libhybris would also help | 14:28 |
| morphis | sure, but I can not cleanup everything at once | 14:29 |
| morphis | and version numbers include some kind of API stability which hybris doesn't have yet :-) | 14:30 |
| morphis | mgraesslin, bshah: so who can disable the hybris support in kwin in the ubuntu archive? | 14:56 |
| mgraesslin | morphis: no idea, I'm the upstream maintainer | 14:56 |
| bshah | morphis: maybe yofel/clivejo/sgclarck can help you there | 14:57 |
| morphis | mgraesslin, bshah: ok | 14:57 |
| * yofel thought that was disabled | 14:58 | |
| yofel | checking | 14:58 |
| === xnox is now known as s390x | ||
| yofel | clivejo: Stefan, right | 14:59 |
| yofel | OH | 15:00 |
| yofel | mgraesslin, bshah, morphis: Ok, looks "libhybrids-dev [armhf]" crawled into the build-deps through the last debian merge | 15:01 |
| yofel | fixing | 15:01 |
| morphis | yofel: awesome! | 15:01 |
| mgraesslin | well on Debian doesn't make sense either | 15:01 |
| morphis | mgraesslin: debian might still have an older hybris version | 15:02 |
| mgraesslin | no, they don't have one at all | 15:02 |
| bshah | thx :) | 15:02 |
| yofel | maxyz_: ^ | 15:02 |
| morphis | mgraesslin: ah :-) | 15:02 |
| mgraesslin | would make my life easier if they had ;-) | 15:02 |
| yofel | ok, I read the git log wrong, this seems to be entirely out fault. hybris was simply never *fully* removed | 15:04 |
| yofel | maxyz_: unping | 15:04 |
| maxyz_ | unpong | 15:23 |
| === s390x is now known as xnox | ||
| soee | and no sound again :<<< | 17:48 |
| soee | and soud back after reboot | 17:50 |
| soee | i think this has something to do with sddm and failing logins | 17:50 |
| soee | i had sddm greeter in window and no sound, after reboot login was fine (first attempt) and i have sound | 17:51 |
| soee | guys some comments about backports: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/848483-plasma-5-5-3-kde-frameworks-5-18-backported-to-kubuntu-15-10 | 17:59 |
| soee | yofel: can we somehow get this patch in Xenial just for test https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/126923/ ? | 18:06 |
| sgclark | nothing we can really do until we get some ubuntu core devs to push sru's to archive. | 18:06 |
| soee_ | sgclark: why they dont give you or yofel access to do it ? | 18:07 |
| sgclark | we have to go through the same process as everyone else. | 18:08 |
| soee_ | sgclark: what do you think about this patch to test ? | 18:09 |
| sgclark | which I will be working on soon. Time is always an issue, as usual. I need to clone myself. | 18:09 |
| sgclark | soee_: sorry I have no clue what that is or what it is for. Perhaps yofel does. | 18:10 |
| soee_ | sgclark: it should probably fix teh bug i reported - when the updates notification stays active in systray when there are no any update sleft | 18:11 |
| BluesKaj | that's an old one, been around for ages | 18:12 |
| soee_ | BluesKaj: yes but finall we might have fix for it :) | 18:13 |
| * BluesKaj doesn't bother with active notifiers\, update and upgrade every day anyway | 18:13 | |
| BluesKaj | soee_, you hope :-) | 18:13 |
| yofel | sgclark: that's just a discover patch to fix the forkbombing | 18:23 |
| yofel | soee_: I'll apply it later, unless clivejo isn't faster | 18:23 |
| sgclark | ok col | 18:23 |
| sgclark | err cool | 18:23 |
| yofel | hm, if the sound issue is sddm related, then this might be indeed a logind permission issue somewhere | 18:26 |
| soee_ | yofel: thank you | 18:27 |
| tybaut | Hello | 19:50 |
| tybaut | I'm with xenial | 19:50 |
| tybaut | With plasma 5.5.4 | 19:50 |
| tybaut | It's working fine | 19:51 |
| tybaut | I have only one problem. When i want use krunner (alt+F2), when I write the applications name, there isn't autocomplete and I can't launch the application (for ex. konsole) with enter touch | 19:53 |
| sgclark | hmmm. works for me. anyone else experience this? | 19:54 |
| soee_ | also here works fine | 19:54 |
| soee_ | tybaut: open krunner settings and check if all options are selected | 19:54 |
| tybaut | For information I have this problem for some days (plasma 5.5.3) | 19:55 |
| tybaut | soee:all options are selected -> http://humeurlibre.fr/divers/captureKrunner.png | 19:58 |
| clivejo | working for me too | 20:04 |
| soee_ | tybaut: try restarting krunner | 20:07 |
| mparillo | I earlier had a problem with autocomplete in krunner for Okular, but it went away this morning when I upgraded to -staging. | 20:38 |
| soee_ | yofel: did you found time to add this patch to notifier ? | 22:41 |
| tybaut | sooe: well, same thing after restarting - http://humeurlibre.fr/divers/krunner_restart.png | 23:15 |
| tybaut | I shall do new test tomorrow | 23:16 |
| tybaut | Good night | 23:16 |
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