[00:16] <bltz> hey
[01:49] <bob2021> hey... so thanks for the help over the past few days.  almost all the hardware is working, except the webcam.  it works in unity, but not plasma.  can someone help?
[01:56] <bob2021> anyone? :)
[02:06] <bob2021> the log says that my webcam is being configured as a keyboard
[02:16] <Guest40056> Well, didn't know how to use this.
[02:18] <Guest40056> I am very slow on typing so forgive me.
[02:19] <Guest40056> I have one question, what is the difference between Ubuntu and Kubuntu?
[02:20] <Dragnslcr> Ubuntu uses the Unity desktop by default. Kubuntu uses KDE by default.
[02:20] <Dragnslcr> The underlying system is the same in both, though.
[02:21] <Guest40056> Which is better for someone like me that don't know much about this computer stuff?
[02:23] <Dragnslcr> Whichever one you like better. It's easy to try them both and then pick the one you like.
[02:24] <Dragnslcr> I prefer KDE, which tends to be more like Windows XP/7. If I remember correctly, Unity tends to be more similar to OS X.
[02:26] <Guest40056> I need one that is easy to use so I can use it to surf and learn programing?
[02:28] <Guest40056> I have been using Ubuntu for about about 2 years now and I don't feel any better about using it than when I started.
[02:30] <Guest40056> The last time I used Windows was when it was XP.
[02:31] <Dragnslcr> You can install the Kubuntu desktop and see if you like it better
[02:32] <Dragnslcr> !kubuntu-desktop
[02:32] <Dragnslcr> Hm, that isn't helpful
[02:33] <Dragnslcr> If you install the kubuntu-desktop package, you can select either Unity or KDE/Plasma when you log in.
[02:34] <Guest40056> Okay, thanks for the help, I will try reading some more and then I will make a decision. Have a nice night,  Larry
[04:42] <nareshnk> Hello Gentlemen, i have a cloud server.. and installed ubuntu on this.. i this i installed CakePHP framework .. and tmp directory is 777 permission. But some time my tmp directory permission changed automatically frm 777 unable to write
[06:54] <antti> hei
[12:13] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:15] <siko> Hi
[13:05] <anon> тест
[16:35] <samuele> hi  to everybody
[16:36] <samuele> I have some problems with kwin, I suppose. Sometimes moving application, or simply doing nothing special (but less frequently) I see some glitches.
[16:38] <samuele> I just wanted to know if this problem will be fixed with the next relase of kubuntu or the next release of kde. So if it worthless continuig to use kubuntu.
[16:39] <samuele> I really like this distro but if my intel graphics doesn't suit well with kde I'd better use something else like  Gnome
[16:41] <marco-parillo> You can try all the bug listings, or you can experiment. So if you do not see the glitches in Ubuntu Gnome, you know the problem is in KDE (at least your version). If you do not see the glitches in some other KDE distro, then the fault might be lower down the stack.
[16:53] <samuele> many thanks for the answer. I will try other distro with other version of kde in live sessions and see if they give me the same problem
[17:03] <marco-parillo> My pleasure. If you are simply seeking the best disto for your HW, that is a good approach. If you want to be debugging where the error is, you want to try distros with the exact same Plasma and kwin versions. And just in case it is underlying drivers / kernals, that is why trying a Ubuntu Flavour (I used to prefer Xubuntu, but it sounds as if you like Gnome) is a good way to test also.
[17:15] <samuele> I like xubuntu too but I have a new pc and I simply didn't thought to use xfce
[18:34] <dougl> why do I have to "sudo dhclient enp4s0" to make my network work on kubuntu 15.10
[18:34] <soee_> BluesKaj: ^
[18:34] <soee_> yuo have some eperiance with NM i think
[18:35] <dougl> Poor BluesKaj I am forever bugging him... I did google first tho...
[18:36] <soee_> :D
[18:36] <dougl> the most obscure unknown and uncommon issue I will find and it will cause me grief
[18:37] <dougl> soee_, but network manager is the answer?
[18:38] <dougl> soee_, cuz I am just as good googling what I need instead of troubling anyone... although I learned alot from genii and BluesKaj yesterday
[18:44] <siko_> can anyone tell me if its possible to GPU passthrough without vt-d processor?
[18:54] <BluesKaj> siko_, using a vm?
[18:54] <siko_> yeah
[18:55]  * dougl just waves a good morning to BluesKaj - looks like he is busy :)
[18:57] <BluesKaj> hey dougl, just came back in from pushing snow, so I missed your issue
[18:57] <nige> lol
[18:58] <BluesKaj> siko_, not sure I can help with that, no point pming eithe
[18:59] <soee_> http://realfunny.net/uploads/chuck_norris_and_jean-claude_van_damme_snow_removal._475112921.jpg
[19:00] <siko_> BluesKa_, thanks anyway m8
[19:01] <BluesKaj> I'm sure someone else knows tho
[19:02] <siko_> yeah not very many people talk tho
[19:02] <dougl> BluesKaj, my issue is only you pushing too much snow
[19:03] <BluesKaj> still not done, gotta go finish up in a few mins
[19:04] <dougl> slow and steady friend
[19:05] <BluesKaj> yeah, I take breaks every 30mins or so
[19:05] <dougl> good
[19:05] <BluesKaj> heavy wet stuff here today
[19:19] <dougl> how do I disable kdewallet?
[19:21] <dougl> google is my friend
[19:21] <tocotron> dudes
[19:21] <genii> dougl: kcmshell4 kwalletconfig
[19:21] <tocotron> kubuntu 15.10 is AWESOME
[19:22] <tocotron> But why do I have a do-release-upgrade notification after a fresh install of 15.10?
[19:22] <tocotron> Shall I do it?
[19:22] <Pici> /50/50
[19:23] <Pici> tocotron: what do you mean? like your motd screen?
[19:23] <tocotron> yeah
[19:23] <tocotron> o wai!
[19:24] <Pici> tocotron: likely the motd generation wasn't run recently. it has some weird conditionals as to when it does that.
[19:24] <tocotron> It's my host system that's still 15.04
[19:24] <Pici> oh, hah
[19:24] <dougl> genii, good day - dhclient as learned from you came in handy the very next install I did - hats off to you my friend
[19:25] <tocotron> I get cofused with so much virtualisation
[19:25] <dougl> ... thanks for the wallet info
[19:25] <genii> dougl: Glad to be of assistance :)
[19:28] <tocotron> One more thing: I have a Ubuntu server host, no X configured. Now I have KVM guests to which I connect using the SPICE protocol. When I connect as normal user with the guests, I have no sound; connecting as root and I have sound. Is it enough to add my user to the audio group to have sound or is it more difficult?
[19:29] <genii> Try adding them to the plugdev group first
[19:29] <tocotron> Never heard of that before but will try nonetheless
[19:31] <tocotron> I'm already in that group
[19:31] <tocotron> Now audio?
[19:33] <genii> tocotron: That would be the second one to try, yes
[19:34] <genii> Remember also a logout-login cycle is required for it to take effect
[19:35] <tocotron> genii: So be it! I'm off to unlog
[19:36] <dougl> my 15.10 walpaper disappears and my task bar then my cube does not rotate and my session needs to be restarted... not sure where this comes from
[19:49] <tocotron> Yes, that worked
[19:50] <tocotron> Awesome!
[19:50]  * genii slides tocotron a fresh coffee
[19:51] <tocotron> But, one more thing: How do I start two parallel X-Sessions in parallel at startup. What I'm trying to accomplish is to automatically connect to the spice server!
[19:51] <tocotron> Fresh coffee is always needed, Thanks!
[19:52] <tocotron> I thought I'd just put the two "spicec" lines in .xinitrc and run "startx". But it only starts the second VM
[19:52]  * dougl goes to get coffee so he can hang with the cool kids...
[19:52] <tocotron> dougl: High Five, bro
[19:53] <tocotron> So, my .xinitrc hast two lines like this and nothing else: 'startx -e "spicec -h localhost -p <THEPORT>" -- :0 vt7'
[19:54] <tocotron> it only starts the one on :1 vt8, the one on DISPLAY1 gets ignored/shutdown - not sure
[19:55] <tocotron> I want to automatically start both connections to the SPICE server at login
[19:56] <genii> Hm. I'm not quite sure in this case.
[19:56] <tocotron> Mmmh. But you have to admit that this would be so cool
[19:57] <genii> Normally if I want to run separate X sessions I do it from inside one ( nested) instead of totally seaparate ones
[19:57] <tocotron> I want to start the Kubuntu VM and a Windows VM
[19:57] <tocotron> In full screen, of course
[19:59] <dougl> ... one on each monitor kinda thing?
[19:59] <tocotron>  Yes, just that I have only one monitor
[19:59] <tocotron> I'll switch with CTRL+ALT+F7/8
[20:00] <tocotron> If I start them manually it works, btw
[20:00] <tocotron> As in, start them one by one
[20:00] <dougl> tocotron, you are right that is cool
[20:01] <tocotron> Is there an xorg channel?
[20:01] <dougl> I use the cube and rotate it from one to another...
[20:01] <genii> tocotron: So then edit your .xinitrc to background the first and continue to the second startx command
[20:01] <dougl> xorg channel .... googling
[20:02] <dougl> #xorg
[20:02] <tocotron>  dougl, I found it, it's there and I'm in
[20:02] <tocotron> Thanks
[20:02] <tocotron> genii: I have tried the bg thingy to no avail
[20:02] <tocotron> I have never changed an .xinitrc
[20:03] <genii> tocotron: Like startx -e "spice -h localhost -p 999 -- :0 vt7 & startx other-stuff-here --:1 &
[20:03] <tocotron> Not sure how it must look
[20:03] <tocotron> genii: Yes, exactly, I tried that
[20:05] <genii> Hm
[20:17] <tocotron> Maybe #ubuntu knows something?
[20:17] <tocotron> xorg is quiet. They're probably all busy with their two displays on two different VTs
[20:24] <tocotron> Eh, I'm going to get a facial mask while waiting. That might take some time
[21:08] <BlueProtoman> I'm trying to use Bumblebee on Kubuntu 15.10, with a nVidia GeForce 520M and Intel HD 5000, but when I run "optirun glxinfo" I get this error: http://pastebin.com/S0P4i7LW  Any tips?
[21:09] <soee_> do not use it, use nvidia-prime
[21:09] <genii> bumblebee is now superceded
[21:10] <soee_> add grpahics driver ppa, install latest stable and done
[21:11] <soee_> you can than switch profile either through Nvidia Settings
[21:11] <soee_> or using command: prime-select intel|nvidia
[21:17] <BlueProtoman> soee_, genii: Last time I tried that, I couldn't log in graphically.
[21:19] <BlueProtoman> I had to uninstall the packages
[21:20] <BlueProtoman> Also, holy hell my CPU usage is high
[21:22] <soee_> what driver you were using (version ?)
[21:22] <BlueProtoman> I don't remember, honestly, it was a few months ago.
[21:25] <BlueProtoman> I think I tried the drivers in either late August or mid-December.  Don't remember
[21:27] <soee_> i think i had this problem with 352 version
[21:27] <soee_> add ppa: https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[21:28] <soee_> and try 358
[21:28] <soee_> i'm not on 361 beta and also work fine (Xenial)
[21:31] <BlueProtoman> The broken graphics or the high CPU usage?
[21:34] <BlueProtoman> soee_: nvidia-graphics-drivers-358 doesn't appear on my package list
[21:35] <soee_> BlueProtoman: nvidia-358
[21:35] <soee_> BlueProtoman: broken graphic, i never had high cpu
[21:35] <soee_> but i have i7 here
[21:36] <BlueProtoman> OK.  So I'm gonna install the driver; should I reboot, or just log out then in?
[21:37] <BlueProtoman> I have an i5, I think
[21:38] <soee_> better reboot
[21:38] <BlueProtoman> OK.
[21:38] <BlueProtoman> What if my graphics break again?  Just switch back to 352?
[21:41] <BlueProtoman> Also, should I uninstall bumblebee?
[21:51] <BlueProtoman> soee_: Now I have broken graphics even after reverting to 352.  Please help me fix it.
[21:54] <soee_> define broken
[21:54] <BlueProtoman> No graphics.  Text login only.
[21:55] <soee_> sddm does not load ?
[21:55] <BlueProtoman> How can I tell?
[21:55] <soee_> it is login manager
[21:56] <soee_> you have only command line ?
[21:56] <BlueProtoman> Then no, it doesn't.  Yes, cli only
[21:56] <soee_> type: sudo prime-select intel
[21:56] <soee_> and reboot
[21:57] <BlueProtoman> Command not found
[21:57] <BlueProtoman> I reverted to 352 already
[21:57] <BlueProtoman> What packages should I install again?
[21:58] <soee_> do you have nvidia-prime installed ?
[21:58] <BlueProtoman> No
[21:59] <soee_> this shoudl be dependency i think to drivers
[21:59] <soee_> install it than
[21:59] <BlueProtoman> Ok, just did, then sudo prime-select intel.  Rebooting now
[22:00] <BlueProtoman> Nope, still CLI only
[22:00] <BlueProtoman> Wait
[22:00] <soee_> what if you try to start sddm ?
[22:00] <BlueProtoman> No, I have graphics now!  However, my initial problem was never solved; I want to use my nVidia card.
[22:01] <soee_> are you logged in ?
[22:01] <BlueProtoman> Yes, I am now
[22:01] <soee_> open Nvidia Settings
[22:02] <soee_> there should be position: PRIME Profiles
[22:02] <soee_> set it to Nvidia
[22:02] <soee_> and you have to relogin
[22:02] <soee_> setting it here is the same as executing command: sudo prime-select nvidia
[22:02] <BlueProtoman> Ok, one sec
[22:03] <BlueProtoman> Broken graphics again
[22:04] <BlueProtoman> Should I upgrade to nvidia-358?
[22:04] <soee_> you should try
[22:05] <BlueProtoman> Doing so now
[22:07] <BlueProtoman> Nope.  Still broken
[22:08] <soee_> well you can also try puring all nvidia, than install again lates
[22:08] <soee_> sueo ppa-purge nvidia*
[22:08] <soee_> sudo ppa-purge nvidia*
[22:08] <soee_> than: sudo apt-get install nvidia-358 nvidia-prime
[22:09] <BlueProtoman> Doing so now
[22:10] <soee_> but keep in mind that there are still problems with this hybrid graphics on linux :/
[22:11] <BlueProtoman> I've had it working in older versions of Ubuntu
[22:12] <soee_> yes back than it was a bit better, but started to break in 15.04 i think
[22:12] <BlueProtoman> Ah, think it works!
[22:12] <soee_> and Kubuntu switched to sddm and this also can cause some problems
[22:12] <BlueProtoman> Yep, graphics AND my nVidia works!  Thanks!
[22:13] <BlueProtoman> Do I need to do anything to run programs with my nvidia now?
[22:14] <BlueProtoman> Ooh, I have OpenGL 4.5 now
[22:14] <soee_> no, now nvdia is active
[22:14] <soee_> so all will run on it
[22:15] <BlueProtoman> Can I switch back to my intel on the fly?
[22:15] <soee_> you have to logout after switch
[22:16] <BlueProtoman> Fuck it, I'll live with the lower battery life
[22:17] <soee_> ;)
[22:17] <soee_> please don't use such words here
[22:18] <soee_> !language
[22:18] <BlueProtoman> How can I be required to troubleshoot like this and NOT shoot my mouth off?
[22:19] <soee_> well when something is broken it is a good opportunity to learn new  stuff :)
[22:19] <BlueProtoman> Ok, new problem.  Cpu usage for Plasma still high, and my laptop heats up to between 75-85 degrees C
[22:20] <soee_> see in ksysguard if any app uses cpu over standard level
[22:21] <BlueProtoman> Hmm, seems to be gone now.  But my laptop is still getting hot
[22:22] <soee_> probably nvidia card is the reason
[22:22] <BlueProtoman> Oi.  So how can I tell what temperatures are safe formmy hardware?
[22:25] <soee_> hmm dunno, but my card often has 80-90 while playing games :)
[22:25] <BlueProtoman> Mine is just idling at 70C
[22:27] <soee_> maybe google and read if it is normal for your card
[22:28] <BlueProtoman> Oh, looks like it's not actually so bad
[22:38] <BlueProtoman> Thank you
[23:43] <Samt43> Hi guys
[23:44] <Samt43> Trying plasma 5.5 on kubuntu 15.10
[23:44] <Samt43> Everything is fine, so trying to play with kwin_wayland
[23:45] <Samt43> Sent startplasmacompositor and it seems that i have an error : "painter not active"
[23:45] <Samt43> Any idea ?
[23:58] <valorie> Samt43: you might try in #plasma