[02:08] <duflu> Hey all, this update seems to be broken. Can we revert please? android-headers (23-0ubuntu1) xenial; urgency=medium
[02:08] <duflu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/android-headers/+bug/1539338
[02:12] <duflu> RAOF: ^ ?
[02:12] <duflu> The changelog says it has symlinks for compatibility. But it doesn't
[02:14] <duflu> kgunn ^ ?
[02:16] <duflu> robert_ancell: ^ who do I pester for this?
[02:17] <robert_ancell> duflu, no idea, sorry
[02:17] <robert_ancell> duflu, I would have asked kdub
[02:18] <duflu> robert_ancell: It's not the contents of the package that's broken, just its installation method (missing symlinks) that faenil changed
[02:18] <duflu> So not a kdub thing
[02:19] <robert_ancell> I have no idea who manages the android stuff in Ubuntu
[02:19] <duflu> robert_ancell: Basically I'm just asking for a revert from the archive. Back to the previous working version
[02:20] <robert_ancell> duflu, well, you should probably get the uploader to fix it, otherwise an archive admin if it was critical
[02:20] <duflu> Oh, except upgrades won't see that. We'd need another update or something
[04:17] <RAOF> duflu: Now back from lunch, hm. That seems suboptimal!
[04:17] <RAOF> (Incidentally, this is why Mir should have DEP-8 tests)
[04:17] <duflu> RAOF: Yeah I also have a workaround/fix for Mir proposed now.
[04:17] <RAOF> I'll just upload a fixed package.
[04:17] <duflu> Although suspect android-headers retains the right to break things as time goes on
[04:18] <duflu> Which we will always need to follow
[04:19] <duflu> I would like us to be able to #include <android/...> as we do right now. The change to android-headers breaks that though
[04:19] <duflu> arguably breaks it correctly. But that doesn't help Mir to be buildable on wily and vivid still
[04:19] <duflu> Dear Ubuntu: Stop breaking things
[04:19] <duflu> kthxbye
[04:20] <RAOF> android-headers is a package entirely of our creation. If we don't want it to break things it doesn't have to.
[04:20] <duflu> Maybe Mir needs to return to internal copies of android-headers...
[04:21] <duflu> If it's an Ubuntu-only package then that's another good reason. Long term, Mir should not depend on things that only exist in Ubunt8u
[04:21] <duflu> Ubuntu too
[04:27] <RAOF> Oh, of course.
[04:27] <RAOF> It's an upgrade bug.
[06:14] <hikiko> hello
[07:28] <pitti> Bonjour tout le monde !
[07:54] <didrocks> good morning
[08:49] <willcooke> morning all
[08:51] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[08:51] <seb128> hey willcooke
[08:52] <willcooke> how goes the travel so far?
[08:52] <willcooke> Are you just about to leave?
[08:52] <seb128> leaving after lunch for me
[08:52] <didrocks> leaving in 30 minutes for me
[09:06] <larsu> morning!
[09:08] <seb128> hey larsu!
[09:08] <willcooke> hey larsu
[09:08] <seb128> how is Brussel today?
[09:09] <larsu> bonjour seb128 and willcooke!
[09:09] <larsu> seb128: hackfest is smaller (or it's too early)
[09:09] <larsu> everyone's hacking
[09:11] <seb128> how many people came to the hackfest?
[09:12] <larsu> seb128: about 25-30 I think
[09:12] <seb128> waouh
[09:12] <seb128> crazy
[09:12] <pitti> bonjour didrocks, seb128, et larsu ! salut de Bruxelles !
[09:13] <seb128> larsu, is that the record of people at a GTK hackfest from all times?
[09:13] <larsu> pitti: salut and welcome :)
[09:13] <didrocks> bonjour pitti !
[09:13] <larsu> seb128: dunno - haven't been to all of them :D
[09:13] <seb128> k, usually it seemed to be less than 10 people
[09:13] <larsu> seb128: I think the one 2 years ago was similar in size. Colocating it with FOSDEM certainly helps
[09:13] <Laney> hi
[09:13] <Laney> and bye!
[09:13] <larsu> morning Laney!
[09:14] <pitti> hey Laney!
[09:14] <larsu> enjoy your trip
[09:14] <Laney> just checking that ssh is all set up :P
[09:14] <seb128> hey Laney, safe trip!
[09:14] <didrocks> morning and bye Laney :)
[09:14] <pitti> heh, only 5 people at the systemd hackfest so far :)
[09:14] <seb128> larsu, did RH just hired another 50 people to work on GTK? ;-)
[09:14] <Laney> see you in $hours!
[09:14] <didrocks> same Laney!
[09:14] <seb128> 25 people is a crazy number for an hackfest
[09:14] <pitti> Laney: safe trip!
[09:14] <larsu> seb128: haha I don't think so
[09:15] <seb128> k :-)
[09:15] <larsu> pitti: better than last year, when it was *packed*
[09:15] <seb128> larsu, pitti, are your hackfest close from each others?
[09:15] <seb128> larsu, be nice, send some people to pitti :-)
[09:16] <larsu> lol
[09:16] <larsu> not really
[09:16] <pitti> 7 mins walking from Buxelles Central
[09:16] <didrocks> my train is still near Montélimar, I should be able to walk the 1km between the station and my home before it arrives in Lyon: http://bit.ly/1QJUblM
[09:16] <larsu> systemd is in the center
[09:16] <larsu> we're 6 or so stations out east
[09:17] <seb128> didrocks, oh, sncf has real time tracking now?
[09:17] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, for some trains ;)
[09:17] <seb128> nice
[09:25] <faenil> duflu: I changed? symlinks? where?
[09:26] <duflu> faenil: android-headers backward compatibility was broken (presumably because the symlinks you mentioned don't exist). RAOF fixed it and I fixed Mir to work around it too.
[09:26] <duflu> No problem now
[09:28] <faenil> duflu: I'm puzzled...sorry...let me have a look at the bug
[09:28] <faenil> I didn't touch anything..
[09:28] <duflu> faenil: /usr/include/android is empty. Also not a symlink.  :)
[09:28] <duflu> So existing users broke
[09:28]  * didrocks now goes, see you in Brussels for most of you!
[09:28] <faenil> didrocks: see you there!
[09:29] <faenil> duflu: are you sure you're talking about me?
[09:30] <duflu> faenil: Oh crap. Sorry! Somehow I confused you for morphis
[09:30] <duflu> Too many things going on
[09:30] <faenil> duflu: gah, I had a heart attack! :D
[09:31] <duflu> Luckily for me EOW soon
[09:31] <faenil> I saw you talking to RAOF and I was like "I don't even know what that package is about..." XD
[09:31] <duflu> Heh
[09:31] <faenil> but since I've been reporting plenty of bugs lately I thought maybe my bad memory tricked me :D
[09:31]  * faenil calms down 
[10:09] <willcooke> mega lolz
[10:09] <willcooke> hikiko,  you know how I said "there's very little chance of a regression....."
[10:09] <willcooke> by desktop environment just crashed out and put me back at the login screen
[10:09] <willcooke> *my
[10:09] <willcooke> That's probably because I was playing with ccsm
[10:14] <didrocks1> on the train again \o/
[10:15] <larsu> didrocks1: yay
[10:44] <duflu> willcooke: After spending a couple of years maintaining Compiz I can confidently say hikiko could not have broken it significantly more than it already was :)
[10:45] <willcooke> duflu, :D
[10:45] <duflu> willcooke: Reloading Compiz plugins is dangerous. And the reason is usually the plugin called unityshell. It gives Compiz a bad name.
[10:45] <willcooke> haha
[10:45] <duflu> And some others, I forget
[10:46] <willcooke> We're revisiting this one:
[10:46] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/1293384
[10:46] <duflu> Yay. I don't want to know.
[10:46]  * duflu -> weekend
[10:46] <willcooke> :D
[10:46] <duflu> o/
[10:46] <willcooke> duflu, I'll ask you on Monday, it's fine
[10:46] <willcooke> darn
[10:48] <hikiko> willcooke, did you fix it?
[10:49] <hikiko> or is it still broken?
[10:49] <willcooke> hikiko, oh, it was just a crash, ain't no thing
[10:49] <willcooke> I was dicking around with CCSM
[10:49] <hikiko> :)
[10:49] <andyrock> morning
[10:52] <willcooke> hey andyrock
[10:53] <didrocks1> willcooke: my beautiful warning first time you start CCSM isn't there for nothing :p
[10:53] <didrocks1> hey andyrock
[10:53] <willcooke> didrocks1, :D:D:D
[10:53]  * didrocks is quite impressed with the 4G keeping the connection on the TGV (we are at full speed now)
[10:54] <willcooke> nice!
[11:02] <larsu> didrocks: what happens when you cross the border? :P
[11:02] <seb128> he becomes didrocks_
[11:03] <larsu> lol
[11:05] <didrocks> larsu: I don't plan to stop at Strasbourg :p
[11:05] <didrocks> #troll
[11:05] <larsu> hah
[11:05] <larsu> ts ts ts
[11:07] <seb128> it is friday after all!
[11:47]  * didrocks is at mickey's place
[11:50] <willcooke> didrocks, SING THE SONG
[13:49] <xnox> damn, did i just miss him?
[13:49] <xnox> who else is in brussels already?
[13:51] <larsu> xnox: everyone
[13:51] <xnox> larsu, great. is there a google group hangout for that, or no?
[13:51]  * xnox just checked in.
[13:52] <larsu> xnox: err, I don't know :)
[13:52] <larsu> some of us are at the systemd hackfest
[13:52] <larsu> others at gnome hackfest
[13:53] <xnox> larsu, fun. I wasn't invited to either #all-by-myself.
[13:53] <xnox> and it's late anyway, i guess systemd hackfest is finishing?
[13:53] <dpm> hi desktoppers, is there anyone around who knows about the unity 8 session in xenial?
[13:54] <Trevinho> dpm: not really... I guess it's something more related to bregma's team?
[13:54] <willcooke> dpm, seb is probably your best bet, but he's travelling
[13:54] <xnox> i wonder if i should gate crash
[13:54]  * xnox found a google event which says that "you are invited"
[13:54] <dpm> yeah, I was trying to ping him, but I guessed he'd be on his way to fosdem
[13:55] <dpm> willcooke, Trevinho, do you happen to know if it's already shipped by default on xenial and if it's supposed to be working? The reason I'm asking is because trying to test it, it didn't work for me. But I had an old unity8-lxc installation which I think might have been conflicting
[13:56] <larsu> xnox: noone's invited to anything :)
[13:56] <willcooke> dpm, it's not installed by default
[13:56] <larsu> xnox: Laney and didrocks arrive shortly and I'll head over to meet them soon too
[13:56] <xnox> larsu, the #fosdem model.
[13:56] <larsu> yep
[13:57] <xnox> larsu, hm, keep in touch =) i'll go to the systemd thing. it's around the corner.
[13:57] <dpm> willcooke, aha! Would you or someone in the team know what needs to be installed to test it?
[13:58] <larsu> xnox: I'm here as well ;)
[13:58] <willcooke> dpm, I think the meta package is called unity8-desktop-session-mir
[13:58] <larsu> see you in a bit
[13:59] <dpm> willcooke, ok, thanks!
[14:16] <willcooke> larsu, when you see Laney could you ask him to check his email?  There is a question from IS which needs an answer so they can complete his server set up.
[14:53] <Sweet5hark> larsu: you at betacoworking?
[15:02] <davmor2> willcooke, Laney: was there a recent change to the notification system? Claws mail is showing popups but is nolonger showing numbers or triggering the indicator to change colour
[15:08] <willcooke> davmor2, dunno, there is an issue with numbers and the Ubuntu font atm
[15:08] <willcooke> might be unrelated
[15:09] <willcooke> I very much doubt anything has changed in notifications though
[15:09] <davmor2> willcooke: everything else seems to work so it might be the numbers thing happened on one of the updates this week would that tie in with that
[15:12] <davmor2> let me try thunderbird and see if I see the same issue there
[15:12] <larsu> Sweet5hark: nah, in the city at the systemd haclfest this afternoon
[15:12] <larsu> willcooke: will do. I think he should get here soon
[15:13] <Sweet5hark> larsu: is that at the radison blu?
[15:13] <larsu> Sweet5hark: no, Floris Arlequin
[15:13] <larsu> Grand-Place Hotel, in the Arlequin Room.
[15:14] <larsu> but I'll probably come over soon to greet didrocks and Laney
[15:15] <Sweet5hark> larsu: ah, cool. Havent seen those guys yet. They must be hiding.
[15:15]  * Sweet5hark starts prowling.
[15:15] <larsu> Sweet5hark: not sure if they've arrived yet - but they should shortly
[15:40] <willcooke> Oki, early finish for me.  Off to London to explore an abandoned  Tube station
[15:40] <willcooke> Happy FOSDEM to all
[15:40] <willcooke> catch you later
[17:07] <xnox> larsu, Laney are you about?
[21:26] <xnox> Laney, there are valid reasons to go to the opening talk! get good seats for the 10am talk.