[01:00] <micael> can anyone help me?
[08:07] <jaywink> hey all. any way to stop the screen from locking temporarily, from the console etc? need to fill 32gb of music and impossible since it keeps locking. also, the sd card is impossible to remove on the bq, for my clunky hands at least ::(
[08:09] <jaywink> ... never mind, seems the sd card pops out if you press it in firmly :D
[08:20] <dholbach> good morning
[08:55] <vayan> morning ! If I want to buy a SDCard but I don't see the setting in the camera app to change the folder where pictures are taken, there's no way to change ?
[09:37] <ulrichard> if I connect a bluetooth laser keyboard that advertises also as mouse, my phone goes into some kind of tablet mode. Is there a way to prevent that?
[09:37] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Friday, and happy Fun At Work Day! 😃
[10:01] <zzarr> hello!
[10:02] <zzarr> are there any figures, how many Ubuntu phones sold?
[10:29] <popey> zzarr, you'd have to ask bq/meizu.
[10:30] <zzarr> okey
[10:31] <zzarr> popey, just send the question to there support?
[10:31] <popey> Duno
[10:31] <popey> they're under no obligation to tell you of course
[10:32] <popey> it's possibly commercially sensitive info
[10:32] <popey> so what I'm really doing is palming you off on them because we don't have the data, and I kinda know they won't tell you :)
[10:32] <zzarr> popey, I guess you're right
[10:34] <zzarr> popey, they don't know my reason why and even if I explain that it's just something I wish to know personally they may not believe me
[10:35] <popey> having a reason isn't sufficient for revealing commercially sensitive info usually
[10:35] <popey> to randoms on the internet
[10:35] <popey> you'd get the same answer if you asked how many dell laptops were sold with ubuntu or how many lenovos etc
[10:36] <zzarr> popey, nope you're completely right
[10:36] <zzarr> popey, yea
[10:37] <zzarr> popey, but do Canonical have any public figures?
[10:37] <popey> of what?
[10:37] <zzarr> popey, number of Ubuntu powered phones
[10:37] <popey> This is where we came in
 zzarr, you'd have to ask bq/meizu.
[10:37] <popey> not our data.
[10:38] <Stskeeps> if things are done in the right privacy-aware way canonical won't even know
[10:38] <Stskeeps> ie nothing phoning backe tc
[10:38] <Stskeeps> which is good
[10:38] <zzarr> popey, I know you wrote that, but I thought you meant exact data from bq/meizu
[10:38] <popey> There's data you can infer
[10:38] <popey> from
[10:39] <popey> I personally have no data.
[10:39] <popey> hello Stskeeps
[10:39] <zzarr> okey
[10:39] <Stskeeps> moo popey, coming to FOSDEM?
[10:39] <popey> Sadly not
[10:39] <Stskeeps> ah, shame
[10:39] <popey> Yeah :(
[10:39] <Stskeeps> maybe MWC then :)
[10:39] <popey> Couldn't justify another weekend away in a row
[10:39] <popey> even for fosdem
[10:39] <popey> I'm not pretty enough to be at MWC :)
[10:40] <Stskeeps> a wig can do a lot
[10:40] <Stskeeps> :P
[10:40] <popey> Hair I have.
[10:40] <Stskeeps> hehe
[10:40] <popey> zzarr, the only data I know of is number of core app downloads / users
[10:40] <popey> which isn't super useful.
[10:41] <zzarr> popey, it's something
[10:42] <zzarr> popey, in any way, will you be able to know in the future? (I mean when Ubuntu powered phones goes on sale to the general public)
[10:42] <popey> i expect sales data would be available only above my pay grade
[10:43] <zzarr> popey, tell your boss you need a higher income ;)
[10:43] <zzarr> just kidding
[10:44] <popey> haha
[10:44] <popey> Thing is right now, sales figures aren't important or interesting to us
[10:44] <popey> It's not a thing we're particularly bothered about.
[10:44] <popey> I mean, we like that bq like Ubuntu so much that they're making more devices.
[10:45] <zzarr> it's more based on the fact that it a platform have enough users app makers (big ones) will make/port apps
[10:45] <popey> And our relationship with partners is really good that there's more devices on the horizon
[10:45] <popey> That'll come later
[10:45] <popey> right now, it's a developer phone.
[10:45] <popey> Sure there's people who use it as a daily driver
[10:45] <popey> but we're currently not chasing sales.
[10:45] <V99> Hi! why is private reddit utouch sub?
[10:45] <popey> which sub?
[10:46] <popey> https://www.reddit.com/r/ubuntuphone that one V99 ?
[10:46] <zzarr> popey, I have a MX4 (it's my only phone, that's useful)
[10:46] <popey> dunno who made that but the main subreddit is /r/ubuntu
[10:47] <zzarr> I mean, I have a Android phone at home... but it get 5 hours at most in standby time
[10:48] <V99> yeah popey
[10:48] <popey> V99, it's always been private, don't know why
[10:48] <popey> guess it was made and nobody used it
[10:48]  * tathhu s main - and only - phone is E5 :(
[10:48] <tathhu> [*] Jolla :(
[10:48] <popey> I need an E5 for the collection
[10:48] <popey> and need to fix my mx4
[10:49] <popey> sat on it with my fat arse and broke the screen
[10:49] <tathhu> D:
[10:49] <zzarr> popey, :-(
[10:51] <zzarr> popey, do you know if we ever will see the day when MHL works on a MX4? (I suspect we don't will)
[10:52] <popey> No
[10:52] <popey> That can't work
[10:52] <popey> It's not wired up internally.
[10:52] <popey> Same as bq
[10:52] <popey> You might see a miracast type system for streaming over wireless to the display
[10:52] <ogra_> we could just ship some wires and a howto along ;)
[10:52] <popey> but a cable won't work
[10:53] <popey> yeah, soldering iron, wires, glasses
[10:53] <ogra_> "solder here"
[10:54] <tathhu> :D
[10:54] <zzarr> I have a custom built soldering cupboard at home.... but surface soldering is not something one do by hand...
[10:55] <ogra_> zzarr, i wasnt serious ... it isnt wired up inside the SoC ... nothing to solder there
[10:55] <zzarr> do anyone know how the performance would be with Miracast?
[10:56] <zzarr> ogra_, I was just joking too ;-)
[10:56] <ogra_> :)
[10:57] <zzarr> I mean, "open up the phone, solder some" wolla, now it's a brick with display ;-)
[10:58] <tathhu> :P
[10:58] <tathhu> Might swap my LTE-N7 for wifi only so I could have working BT...
[11:33] <stakewinner00> since the last update, music app is more slow when reproducing music, and sometimes stop working.
[11:37] <vayan> God I don't understand the gallery app -_-" I copied all my pictures in it, updated all the filename to match, updated the timestamp, every picture has correct EXIF data and it's still badly sorted.. ;(
[12:04] <robin-hero> hey, I'm on rc-proposed channel with a mako (N4) device, but with yesterday's or today's image the bluetooth doesn't work. I can't enable it with the toogle.
[12:08] <lotuspsychje> robin-hero: is that the 350 update?
[12:09] <robin-hero> lotuspsychje, don't know, I use the bq-aquaris.en channel for mako too, because I need HERE AGPS fix :)
[12:09] <robin-hero> I'm on the 227 right now.
[12:10] <lotuspsychje> robin-hero: not updated device yet?
[12:12] <lotuspsychje> robin-hero: just grabbing 354 on my nexus 7 here
[12:12] <lotuspsychje> robin-hero: maybe try a tail -f /var/log/syslog to see whats going on with bluetooth?
[12:14] <robin-hero> lotuspsychje, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14695145/
[12:15] <lotuspsychje> hmm nothing usefull there
[12:15] <lotuspsychje> robin-hero: how about tail -f /var/log/dmesg
[12:15] <guest345> I cannot create a click target cause
[12:16] <guest345> cannot creat file that a statement shows "ubuntu sdk config.xml of"
[12:18] <lotuspsychje> robin-hero: maybe try a few time toggle/off on while you tail
[12:19] <lotuspsychje> robin-hero: hmm..i got same issue on n7
[12:19] <lotuspsychje> robin-hero: after toggling on, it auto toggles off
[12:19] <robin-hero> Hmm, weird
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> robin-hero: maybe a bug..
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> dont have this on bq
[12:22] <guest345> Can you help me if you can solve a problem
[12:23] <guest345> I cannot create a click target cause it cannot create a file by path /ubuntu-sdk/config.xml
[12:24] <guest345> What does it mean?
[12:29] <robin-hero> lotuspsychje, do you use rc-proposed on Bq?
[12:29] <lotuspsychje> robin-hero: no, the official image from bq 4.5 ubuntu touch
[12:30] <robin-hero> yes, OTA.9 is working well on my Bq too, but on Nexus4 I'm using the rc-proposed channel
[12:31] <lotuspsychje> think im on devel-proposed on n7
[12:31] <andywork> i am running "phablet-config writable-image" to enable read/write on my nexus 4. This returns "PING launchpad.net (91.189.89.223) 56(84) bytes of data.", whats going on here? The phone is not rebooting
[12:36] <lotuspsychje> robin-hero: maybe we should file a bug
[12:36] <robin-hero> lotuspsychje, Just found it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/libhybris/+bug/1539566
[12:36] <lotuspsychje> ah
[12:36] <robin-hero> as I see this is because of the new libhybris
[12:38] <lotuspsychje> robin-hero: how can i see installed image version
[12:39] <robin-hero> under the System Settings/About the phone/System
[12:40] <lotuspsychje> shows only 15.04 r354
[12:40] <robin-hero> yes, sou you are on image #354
[12:40] <robin-hero> *so
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> robin-hero: yeah but to see wich channel
[12:45] <robin-hero> lotuspsychje, in terminal: system-image-cli --info
[12:46] <lotuspsychje> robin-hero: ok im also on rc-proposed tnx
[12:47] <lotuspsychje> robin-hero: but someone told me rc-proposed isnt the best channel for n7
[12:47] <robin-hero> don't know, I don't have an N7
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> robin-hero: well i guess that would count for n4 also
[12:48] <robin-hero> I have been using rc-proposed on my Nexus4 for several month, without serious issues
[12:49] <lotuspsychje> robin-hero: yeah me neither, but still they advised me stable channel if i can recall
[12:49] <lotuspsychje> ive tested alot already, devel, devel-proposed, rc-proposed...
[12:51] <robin-hero> I've edited my /etc/enviroment on my N4, and added "QT_DEVICE_PIXEL_RATIO=2" to it, then restarted my phone. But nothing happened. Any idea?
[12:51] <ogra_> why would that have any effect ?
[12:52] <robin-hero> as I know, yes, it enables the device pixel ratio (hidpi screens) support
[12:52] <ogra_> no, it forces it to 2
[12:52] <robin-hero> see: https://trello.com/c/kqxJmlt5/2631-776-ubuntu-landing-008-qtmir-qtubuntu-saviq-gerboland
[12:53] <ogra_> well, /etc/environment is definitely the wrong place for such stuff
[12:54] <ogra_> you more likely want a snippet in /etc/profile.d or some such
[12:55] <ogra_> Saviq, ^^^ please dont add any more stuff to /etc/enviroment, anything except PATH needs to go from there
[12:55] <ogra_> (assuming you will want that var set once this lands)
[12:55] <tathhu> robin-hero, lotuspsychje https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluetooth-touch/+bug/1502524 maybe related? :ö
[12:57] <lotuspsychje> tathhu: think robin-hero's bug find is more up to date
[12:58] <popey> andywork, not sure why, but phablet-config thinks you want to configure the wifi network when you make the image writable
[12:58] <popey> andywork, it just pings launchpad to confirm the network is up
[12:58] <robin-hero> ogra_, OK, so can I somehow change the resolution of my external screen on N!?
[12:58] <robin-hero> N4
[12:59] <ogra_> robin-hero, no idea, i never used that code ... but hacking that file is the wrong way to set a var
[12:59] <ogra_> (it isd ok temporary for testing, but it should go into /etc/profile.d for an actual landing)
[13:00] <ogra_> (or be exported by an upstart job or whatever)
[13:04] <greyback_> robin-hero: do you mean resolution (slimport is fixed to only output 1080p) or scaling of the UI on the external screen?
[13:04] <andywork> popey: hmm, only for testing i disabled the wifi on the phone and issued the same command again. Now phablet-config is not returning anything until the screen falls asleep, then i get "error: closed" in my terminal
[13:05] <robin-hero> greyback_, yeah, scaling, sorry
[13:05] <greyback_> ogra_: adding that env var to /etc/env only for testing, definitely not or deployment
[13:05] <ogra_> greyback_, awesome, thanks :)
[13:06] <greyback_> robin-hero: ok. Story there is that device pixel ratio and grid unit are similar concepts that we need to work together. I'm in the process of making grid units dynamic, i.e. can change them at runtime per-display.
[13:06] <davmor2> andywork: yes that is because it couldn't ping launchpad to close the app
[13:06] <popey> right
[13:06] <popey> but there's no real reason it should connect to the network when you make the device writable
[13:06] <popey> bug in phablet-config
[13:06] <greyback_> robin-hero: so all I can say is watch this space. And in mean time, all you can do to make external screen not look huge, is to set GRID_UNIT_PX to a smaller value - but then phone UI will look tiny
[13:07] <popey> it assumes you're going to install packages after making it writable
[13:07] <popey> so checks for network so apt works
[13:09] <robin-hero> greyback_, thanks for the cclarifications, will this be ready for OTA-10? can I make this GRID_UNIT_PX somehow dynamic? so It changes if I connect to an external screen, then it changes back if I disconnect from it.
[13:10] <davmor2> lotuspsychje and robin-hero: image 352 for mako and 351 for flo have wroking wifi on flo the hardware doesn't actually register if it is up or not that is a different bug but you can connect devices via bluetoothctl as a work around on flo once connected they work fine
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> davmor2: other channels got working bluetooth?
[13:11] <greyback_> robin-hero: OTA10 would be the goal yes. only by hacking lots of code will you make grid unit dynamic right now
[13:12] <robin-hero> greyback_, Thanks
[13:12] <davmor2> lotuspsychje: no other device do not other channels libhybris landed across the board. Hopefully there will be a fix in Tuesdays image if the dev can fix it Monday
[13:12] <lotuspsychje> davmor2: ok tnx, i dont use bluetooth anyway :p
[14:32] <matv1> I am the only one where my screen blacks out when I make a call since OTA9? Even if I'm not holding i tup to my face - or indeed covering the sensor in any way? most annoying :(
[14:39] <lotuspsychje> matv1: wich device is that
[14:40] <matv1> nexus4
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> matv1: didnt notice this on bq 4.5 yet
[14:40] <matv1> its consistent. even after reboots.
[14:40] <matv1> hmm
[14:40] <matv1> anyone with a nexus4 around? :)
[14:41] <micael> Hi, i just upgrade my bq 4.5 and i can't access my contacts from the SIM card
[14:41] <micael> Can anyone help me?
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> matv1: robin-hero is on n4 rc-proposed
[14:42] <matv1> lotuspsychje thanks
[14:42] <robin-hero> lotuspsychje, yes, but there's no SIM card in my N4 :(
[14:42] <robin-hero> I uses my Bq as my daily phone
[14:43] <matv1> ah I see. np :)
[14:43] <matv1> anyone else? Mako - Nexus4 on Stable OTA 9?
[14:45] <micael> can someone help me?
[14:47] <matv1> micael, i thinks its an already reported bug. Let me check
[14:51] <matv1> micael, does this sound like what you are experiencing? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/address-book-app/+bug/1538951
[14:54] <micael> no, i have the option to import contacts but when i try i receive a error
[14:55] <micael> the error say "error reading the SIM card"
[14:55] <micael> i already try the other slot but it give me the same error
[14:56] <matv1> micael, no sorry. I cannot confirm that. On my Nexus4 it does not give that error.
[14:57] <micael> :(
[14:57] <micael> i'm using a bq 4.5
[14:58] <matv1> Sorry I do not have that phone. It might be worth a new bug report. But check the list if it doesnt already exist
[14:58] <micael> i already report a new bug
[14:59] <matv1> ok thanks! hope it gets sorted soon :)
[14:59] <micael> me too
[15:19] <dobey> micael: what bug #?
[15:35] <micael> dobey https://bugs.launchpad.net/address-book-app/+bug/1539318
[19:24] <muka> Is USB tethering fixed in mako ver26?
[19:26] <davmor2> muka: why usb tether just turn on hotspot
[19:26] <muka> or better yet, hotspot has been activated
[19:26] <muka> hotspot was not working in mako
[19:26] <davmor2> muka: ah wait sorry for mako no I don't think so
[20:53] <taiebot> Hi all. What's the status of devel-proposed channel? might get a sneak peek of what's happening in there and come back to rc-proposed. Is it bootable at the moment?
[20:54] <popey> pretty sure it's still broken
[20:55] <taiebot> popey: thanks will not bother then.
[21:03] <dobey> taiebot: nothing special anyway. any features landing in devel-proposed (xenial) for phone should also be landing in rc-proposed
[21:07] <taiebot> dobey: eagerly trying to see if apps startup could get better in xenial but seems not.
[21:36] <mike00> ciao a tutti
[22:18] <taiebot> Waouh new dekko thanks danchapman!!!
[22:18] <DanChapman> yw :-)
[22:21] <taiebot> danchapman it is beautiful and fluid. I am still unable to search i suppose this is due to me using yahoo account
[22:22] <DanChapman> yeah support for yahoo is not so great i'm afraid. The server has a very limited IMAP implementation. I think when we have support for offline searching we could probably prefer that over a server side search for yahoo accounts