[00:00] <flocculant> while running openelec on a kubuntu vm in xubuntu
[00:00] <flocculant> loses the kubuntu vm and gains 90% ram
[00:00] <knome> ;)=
[00:03] <flocculant> if nothing else this cycle has been a bit hairy for me on the other side of xfce
[00:03] <flocculant> apart from thunar
[00:03] <flocculant> if we start getting lost files bug in xenial 
[00:03] <Unit193> Thunar has crashed a couple times, aye.
[00:03] <flocculant> that's nasty stuff
[00:04] <flocculant> not had that - had crash while copying
[00:04] <flocculant> I guess moving doesn't copy it somewhere - or should? 
[00:05] <flocculant> shouldn't ever expose people to file manager bugs like that iyam
[00:24] <Unit193> flocculant: OK, will poke around with it then.
[00:25] <flocculant> Unit193: you saw this ^^ or the mail?
[00:25] <flocculant> just wanting to know who reads what
[00:26] <Unit193> Mail.
[00:26] <flocculant> I guess we should know about xenial thunar issues
[00:34] <flocculant> bluesabre: what's your take on thunar? 
[00:34] <flocculant> just seems to break more and more for people
[00:34] <knome> :|
[00:34] <knome> i'd be sad to drop it
[00:34] <flocculant> well
[00:34] <flocculant> I would too ofc
[00:35] <flocculant> but if we're looking at 3 years and not 9 months
[00:35] <knome> sure
[00:35] <flocculant> * i don't fix this stuff*
[00:35] <knome> me niether
[00:35] <knome> neither neither
[00:36] <flocculant> we have to make grown-up decisions I guess
[00:36] <knome> in that case i'm out
[00:36] <knome> juuuust kidding!
[00:36] <flocculant> and only a dev can give us the reasoning
[00:36] <flocculant> on the other hand if it's broke in <16.04 for 9 months 
[00:37] <flocculant> ppa perhaps
[00:37] <flocculant> backthingy
[00:38] <flocculant> if it's fubar in 16.04 then we need to think
[00:39] <flocculant> this is where we really need people in 'team' to be talking about the same version of something :(
[00:43] <Unit193> http://git.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/commit/?id=029012f4c39d9d3d9ae617491a69f76f54a4192f
[00:46] <flocculant> oh
[00:46] <flocculant> words :)
[00:46] <flocculant> so do we have that in xenial?
[00:47] <flocculant> cos the red and green bit look logical :)
[00:47] <knome> let's make we do sooner or later
[00:48] <knome> +sure
[00:48] <flocculant> yea
[00:48] <flocculant> add it to the ignored bug list :D
[00:49] <knome> lol
[00:49] <Unit193> I can add that to the package, and you can test to see if it helps enough to bother/
[00:50] <flocculant> Unit193: of course it is enough 
[00:51] <flocculant> all we can do is test the things that fix the things that were broken
[00:51] <Unit193> Well, that is, test and if it doesn't solve the problem well enough skip.
[00:51] <flocculant> the thing is - currently we get a handful of people testing fixes
[00:52] <flocculant> this is why my session on Sunday
[00:52] <flocculant> if we get a few more, has to help
[00:53] <flocculant> if 1 person says that the fix deleted / then find out why 
[00:53] <flocculant> *we* don't have autoanything
[00:54] <flocculant> but till we ask and push - we won't have more
[00:55] <flocculant> I'd rather test a patch that could go ping and know - and have a copy
[00:55] <flocculant> I dopn't even have a sensible idea of how to apply a patch
[00:56] <flocculant> I piss about with google and evntually something doesn't error on me 
[00:59] <flocculant> have to wonder what happened to davmor2 
[01:00] <flocculant> davmor2_ turning up un-announced like that :p
[01:01] <flocculant> wb dkessel_ 
[01:09] <bluesabre> evening all
[01:10] <bluesabre> let's test that patch for thunar, it crashes on me enough to make testing worthwhile
[01:10] <bluesabre> Unit193: I'll update our branch so that wily > xenial
[01:11] <bluesabre> Unit193: on the flip side of that, which line is the task so I can un-base it?
[01:19]  * bluesabre is always late to the party
[01:19] <bluesabre> knome: I see your new INPROGRESS task...
[01:20]  * bluesabre wants sneak peeks
[01:22] <Unit193> bluesabre: Well, he didn't stack the branches, he just cloned yours and added his commits on top, sooo...  Also I have thunar, just had to break for supper.
[01:23] <Unit193> Unless you already got it, that is.
[01:23] <bluesabre> Unit193: right, he should be able to merge my changes back on top of his branch
[01:23] <Unit193> And, well it's in debian-cd and ubuntu-cdimage, iirc.
[01:23] <Unit193> bluesabre: Disclaimer: I don't know how to bzr.
[01:23] <bluesabre> Unit193: not started on it, so have at it :)
[01:23] <bluesabre> Unit193: :D
[01:23] <Unit193> Building now.
[01:24] <Unit193> I know git better by now, and still lacking in that one.
[01:24] <bluesabre> ochosi is git master
[01:25] <Unit193> git pull --rebase is freaking awsome.
[01:37] <Unit193> bluesabre: Wait, so where do I put this build? >_<
[01:41] <bluesabre> Unit193: xubuntu-staging?
[01:41] <Unit193> OK, that's what I was aiming at!
[01:41] <bluesabre> :D
[01:45] <Unit193> I'd try to reproduce before you update, but it's there now.
[02:18] <bluesabre> Unit193: cool, thanks
[02:18] <bluesabre> Unit193: look good? https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/debian-cd/xubuntu-base/revision/1931 https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/debian-cd/xubuntu-base/revision/1932
[02:25] <bluesabre> Unit193: is this task the same as tasksel?
[02:25] <bluesabre> livecd-rootfs/live-build/auto/config:294:add_task install minimal standard xubuntu-base
[02:26] <Unit193> Was about to comment, you'll want 'xubuntu-core' for the tasks, as it stands.
[02:38] <bluesabre> righty, did that with the above revision 1932
[02:40] <Unit193> bluesabre: Oh, what about new gfx?
[02:42] <krytarik> bluesabre: Can you please move/copy my improved splash image in 'debian-cd' to Xenial, too?
[02:58] <bluesabre> data/wily/xubuntu.pcx ?
[03:00] <bluesabre> you guys gotta be more specific (or let Unit193 make the commit) :D
[03:00] <krytarik> bluesabre: Yep, that ( http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unit193/debian-cd/xubuntu-core/revision/1915 ).
[03:03] <bluesabre> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/debian-cd/xubuntu-base/revision/1933
[03:04] <krytarik> Awesome, thanks. :)
[03:06] <bluesabre> Unit193: for my previous question, should that line in livecd-rootfs be xubuntu-core (not sure if add_task is part of the same terminology)
[03:44] <Unit193> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/livecd-rootfs/xubuntu-base/revision/1267#live-build/auto/config those are tasks, yes.
[04:08] <bluesabre> Unit193: thanks, corrected with https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/livecd-rootfs/xubuntu-base/revision/1268
[04:08] <bluesabre> heading to bed
[04:09] <Unit193> G'nighty!
[04:10] <bluesabre> flexiondotorg: we made some updates to our branches https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/debian-cd/xubuntu-base https://code.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/livecd-rootfs/xubuntu-base
[04:10] <bluesabre> night allllll
[08:12] <knome> bluesabre, ha! ;)
[11:54] <bluesabre> morning alllll
[11:57] <ochosi> hey bluesabre 
[11:57] <bluesabre> hey ochosi 
[12:02] <ochosi> bluesabre: what's up?
[12:03] <bluesabre> ochosi: just woke up, making coffee
[12:03]  * bluesabre yawwwwwwwwwwns
[12:09] <ochosi> :)
[12:29]  * bluesabre has his coffee and breakfast
[12:32] <ochosi> i'll soon have some french - uhm... belgian! - fries with mayo and ketchup
[12:33] <ochosi> bluesabre: btw, have you been running/testing the git version of xfpm?
[12:33] <bluesabre> ochosi: yes
[12:34] <ochosi> so far i haven't really received any new bugreports since flocculant called for testing
[12:34] <bluesabre> running at least
[12:34] <ochosi> and nothing too critical in the open issues list in bugs.xfce
[12:34] <ochosi> well at least nothing showstopper-like
[12:34] <bluesabre> not sure if this is new to this version...
[12:35] <bluesabre> when you click on the icon in the panel, the menu displays, when you click again, it does not hide (you have to click elsewhere)
[12:35] <ochosi> only found we seemingly dropped a feature from 1.2.0
[12:35] <ochosi> wfm
[12:35] <ochosi> does hide for me
[12:35] <ochosi> but actually i think there might be some issues
[12:36] <bluesabre> nvm, that also seems to affect some indicators
[12:36] <bluesabre> probably a bigger problem with
[12:36] <bluesabre> oh I know
[12:36] <bluesabre> gtk3 applets and indicators
[12:36] <ochosi> hm, fun
[12:36] <bluesabre> probably the panel not forwarding an event
[12:37] <ochosi> could be
[12:37] <bluesabre> but thats minor
[12:37] <ochosi> we should really finish the panel port at some point
[12:37]  * ochosi looks at andrzejr_ 
[12:37]  * bluesabre looks at andrzejr_
[12:40] <ochosi> k, lunchtime, bbiab
[13:30] <bluesabre> doing a new catfish release this weekend, if folks want to spin it up and check some of the things under 1.3.4 https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~catfish-search/catfish-search/trunk/view/head:/ChangeLog
[13:31] <bluesabre> https://launchpad.net/~catfish-search/+archive/ubuntu/ppa (catfish-daily package)
[13:41] <ochosi> k, upgrading
[13:47] <ochosi> bluesabre: either you haven't updated the about dialog version number or catfish-daily didn't take over
[13:48] <bluesabre> ochosi: I don't change the version number in the app until release
[13:48] <ochosi> but it says 1.3.0
[13:48] <bluesabre> ah
[13:48] <bluesabre> :\
[13:48] <bluesabre> did you install catfish-daily?
[13:48] <bluesabre> (instead of catfish)
[13:51] <bluesabre> 1.3.4 will probably be the last dev release before 1.4, and if it looks good, 1.4 will probably come in the next week or two
[14:00] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah, i installed that
[14:01] <bluesabre> ochosi: run `which catfish`
[14:02] <bluesabre> juuuust to make sure
[14:02] <bluesabre> :)
[14:02] <ochosi> yeah did that too ofc :)
[14:02] <ochosi> /usr/local/bin/catfish
[14:03] <bluesabre> that's a local install
[14:03] <bluesabre> (/usr/bin/catfish)
[14:03]  * `qq 
[14:04] <bluesabre> but the python stuff in local will probably conflict with it, so grab the branch and run sudo make uninstall
[14:06] <bluesabre> well, the latest version of the branch doesnt use a makefile either, come to think of it
[14:12] <ochosi> :]
[14:12] <ochosi> so what shall i really do now?
[14:13] <ochosi> ok, now i'm there
[14:15] <bluesabre> a destructive /usr/local/catfish destroy would probably look like: for filename in `find /usr/local -name catfish*`; do sudo rm -rf $filename; done
[14:15] <ochosi> crash seen after a right-click on the treeview: http://dpaste.com/2PJYJ5T
[14:15] <bluesabre> oh nice
[14:16] <bluesabre> that should be a one-liner fix
[14:16] <ochosi> can't reproduce it now
[14:17] <bluesabre> yeah, once you've clicked on something, you've set self.rows, but if you don't do that before right-clicking, self.rows doesn't exist
[14:17] <ochosi> oh great :)
[14:17] <bluesabre> easy fix
[14:17] <ochosi> another thing i noticed:
[14:17] <bluesabre> good find!
[14:17] <ochosi> mark multiple rows, right-click -> all rows except the one being clicked flash
[14:18] <ochosi> i guess that's a workaround you're using there to select multiple rows?
[14:18] <bluesabre> yup... something broke with the way multi-select used to work, so that is the treeview trying to select just that one, and then me forcing the old selection to persist
[14:19] <bluesabre> it "works"
[14:19] <ochosi> yeah
[14:19] <ochosi> it just feels a little odd
[14:20] <ochosi> i guess this is also sorta expected:
[14:20] <ochosi> (catfish:14808): Gtk-WARNING **: /build/gtk+3.0-pIzeMy/gtk+3.0-3.16.7/./gtk/gtkwidget.c:8554: widget not within a GtkWindow
[14:21] <bluesabre> not sure what causes that, and I wish there was a way to silence gtk warnings for a running app
[14:21] <ochosi> right
[14:21] <ochosi> no worries then
[14:21] <bluesabre> since the libraries by themselves tend to be a bit chatty and warning-y
[14:22] <ochosi> polkit seems to work fine
[14:22] <ochosi> great stuff
[14:23] <bluesabre> simplifies quite a bit :)
[16:29] <ochosi> bluesabre: so yeah, no other discoveries from my side
[16:29] <ochosi> (in terms of catfish bugs, i mean)
[16:30] <ochosi> can't test middle-click properly with my touchpad atm
[16:30] <ochosi> other than that things seem fine
[17:13] <Unit193> bluesabre: Looked at patches?  And one bite on the ML looks decent!
[18:58] <bluesabre> Unit193: not yet, will now
[18:58] <bluesabre> reproduced crash without patch... grabbing ppa version now
[19:03] <bluesabre> crashed it
[19:03] <bluesabre> it crashed faster this time, didn't lock up
[19:03] <bluesabre> but still crashed
[20:06] <krytarik> knome: Just noticed again, can we please capitalize it as "Getting Support" in the dropdown menu "Help & Support" on the website? >_>
[20:55] <knome> krytarik, mayyyybe.
[21:34] <ochosi> evening all
[22:21] <bluesabre> evening ochosi 
[22:21] <ochosi> heya bluesabre 
[22:25] <bluesabre> ochosi: what's up?
[22:26] <ochosi> just hanging out a little and reading up on some stuff i heard today
[22:27] <ochosi> what about you?
[22:28] <bluesabre> not much, getting ready to put dinner together
[22:31] <ochosi> true that doesnt sound very exciting :p
[22:32] <bluesabre> indeed
[22:33] <bluesabre> probably going to clean a bit tonight and play games, and tomorrow review parole bugs and apply fixes, and do a catfish release
[22:33] <ochosi> oh ok, i remember now, you wanted a "replay" icon for parole
[22:33] <bluesabre> should probably also install xenial tomorrow
[22:34] <bluesabre> yeah, that'd be a cool thing, making that center icon a play/replay button
[22:34] <bluesabre> I've seen a few folks click on it to have nothing happen :)
[22:34] <ochosi> yeah
[22:34] <ochosi> ppl tend to expect that now thanks to youtube etc
[22:35] <ochosi> i guess the replay icon basically will be the "reload" icon
[22:35] <bluesabre> yeah
[22:35] <ochosi> crap
[22:35] <ochosi> i seemingly never pushed an svg for that icon
[22:35] <bluesabre> D:
[22:38] <ochosi> also can't find the source anywhere
[22:38] <ochosi> it's even possible i drew that in gimpp...
[22:39] <ochosi> i guess the only sane way forward is to redraw both icons in inkscapee
[22:39] <ochosi> and push the svvgs to the repo and only install the pngs
[22:42] <bluesabre> ochosi: sounds like a bit of a pain, that can probably wait a little bit until parole goes into devel for 0.9.x
[22:43] <ochosi> it's far less work than e.g. fixing up greybird for 3.18
[22:43] <ochosi> should be done fairly quickly
[22:43] <ochosi> maybe 30mins or so
[22:44] <ochosi> maybe i can get it done tomorrow
[22:44] <bluesabre> alrighty, cool
[22:45] <ochosi> i'll also bump the resolution to 256x256
[22:45] <ochosi> we can always downscale it if we want to
[22:45] <bluesabre> sounds good
[23:00] <ochosi> bluesabre: couldnt resist, i drew them icons up real quick
[23:00] <bluesabre> :D
[23:00] <ochosi> i can push the svgs as play and replay to the repo
[23:00] <ochosi> also png if you wanna try them out
[23:01] <bluesabre> sure, go ahead :D
[23:05] <ochosi> not a full patch though
[23:05] <ochosi> you still need to bend one path and include the new icon
[23:06] <ochosi> is "play.png" and "replay.png" without any additional parole namespace ok for you?
[23:06] <bluesabre> ochosi: that should be fine, these aren't themed
[23:08] <ochosi> i know
[23:08] <ochosi> still
[23:08] <ochosi> i mean it used to be "parole.png", not a very meaningful name...
[23:08] <ochosi> but i felt like changing the name should be for the better
[23:10] <bluesabre> yeah, thats fine by me :)
[23:11] <ochosi> bluesabre: pushed
[23:11] <ochosi> slightly changed the dimensions of the play icon
[23:11] <ochosi> lemme know what you think
[23:20] <ochosi> anyway, have fun, night everyone
[23:21] <bluesabre> ochosi: looks good
[23:21] <bluesabre> will probably scale to some degree https://i.imgur.com/VJK4XAp.png
[23:22] <bluesabre> maybe scaling by window size or something, I'll think on it :)
[23:22] <bluesabre> thanks ochosi!