[02:35] <cajuntechie> Hello everyone. I have a quick question: How do I change my desktop wallpaper on 14.04? Following the SETTINGS->DESKTOP method I can't do it. Every image displayed in folders is grayed out and unselectable.
[02:43] <Luyin> cajuntechie: perhaps a permissions problem? where are your wallpapers?
[02:45] <cajuntechie> Luyin, I am putting them in ~/Pictures/Wallpapers
[02:45] <Luyin> cajuntechie: show output of "ls -l ~/Pictures/Wallpapers" then, please
[02:52] <cajuntechie> One sec. Doing it now
[02:52] <genii> maybe they are -r
[02:54] <Luyin> genii: about to find that out ;)
[02:54] <cajuntechie> Well, ls -l gives me nothing. But ls -la gives me this: anthony@osiris:~/Pictures$ ls -la ~/Pictures/Wallpapers
[02:54] <cajuntechie> total 1044
[02:54] <cajuntechie> drwxrwxr-x 2 anthony anthony    4096 Jan 29 20:53 .
[02:54] <cajuntechie> drwxr-xr-x 3 anthony anthony    4096 Jan 29 20:53 ..
[02:54] <cajuntechie> -rw-rw-r-- 1 anthony anthony 1060369 Jan 16 18:02 fullmoon.jpg
[02:54] <cajuntechie> Sorry for the big paste
[02:54] <cajuntechie> I thought that looked good. Maybe I'm reading perms wrong?
[02:54] <Luyin> hmm nothing serious there. looks good
[02:55] <cajuntechie> Very weird then
[02:55] <cajuntechie> BAck to research then. Thanks for taking a shot!
[02:55] <Luyin> cajuntechie: btw, there are paste services, whcih you can find in the channel topic ;)
[02:56] <cajuntechie> I know that. For some reason my brain just crapped on that paste and I didn't even think about them lol
[02:57] <genii> What does: file ~/Pictures/Wallpapers/fullmoon.jpg   say?
[02:57] <cajuntechie> genii, you mean permissions on it?
[02:57] <genii> no
[02:58] <cajuntechie> What do you mean then?
[02:58] <genii> I mean literally the command called "file"
[02:58] <cajuntechie> Says it's a JPEG Image Data, JFIF standrd 1.01
[02:58] <cajuntechie> Looks normal :-(
[03:01] <Luyin> cajuntechie: have you upgraded to the latest kernel and xfce version available for xubuntu?
[03:02] <cajuntechie> Well, Luyin, I've done a regular update this morning so I'm assuming I have the latest releases. I do regular updates.
[03:02] <genii> Have you rebooted since the last update?
[03:03] <cajuntechie> My kernal is 3.19.0-47. And yep, I've rebooted.
[03:03] <cajuntechie> kernel rather
[03:05] <Luyin> cajuntechie: please try this: open your preferred desktop picture (e. g. fullmoon.jpg) in an image viewer, and see if you can "set this as wallpaper" there
[03:05] <Luyin> it should also be possible to just select this via right-click in thunar
[03:07] <cajuntechie> Ahh, let me try that
[03:08] <cajuntechie> Wow, I'm a total idiot. That worked. Something that simple. Sheesh! Thanks lol
[03:08] <genii> Even if that works, still very curious problem that it cannot be done from settings
[03:09] <Luyin> yupp, I agree with genii
[03:09] <Luyin> well, glad you have at least a workaround
[03:09] <cajuntechie> Indeed it is. I wonder if I should dig deeper and maybe file a bug...
[03:09] <cajuntechie> Though I guess it wouldn't help really
[03:10] <Luyin> the thing is, how did it come up
[03:10] <Luyin> do you have some special setup, like multi monitors or something? special hardware perhaps?
[03:11] <cajuntechie> Nope, not at all. Just on a Dell laptop. I might install it on another pc and see what I get. Start with fresh logs and dig until I find out what's up
[03:15] <Luyin> well, good luck with that :)
[03:17] <genii> Maybe bug 11021
[03:17]  * genii smacks the bot
[03:18] <genii> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11021
[03:26] <Afdal> Does anyone know where I can find the default xfce4-desktop.xml file for Xubuntu 14.04 Trusty?
[03:26] <Afdal> Really don't wanna open up an ISO just to get at this one file
[03:28] <rww> package xubuntu-default-settings, downloadable at http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/all/xubuntu-default-settings/download , deb files can be unarchived with the `ar` command, path to file is /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-desktop.xml
[03:31] <Afdal> hmmm
[03:32] <Afdal> ar -x blahblah.deb?
[03:33] <Afdal> wait no
[03:33] <Afdal> how do you work this kajigger
[03:37] <RoadRunner> where, in xubuntu's file system do the binaries of apps install to?
[03:37] <Luyin> RoadRunner: /usr/bin
[03:41] <Afdal> ah, figured it out
[03:41] <Afdal> thanks rww  :)
[03:42] <rww> you're welcome :)
[03:44] <RoadRunner> Luyin: can't find them all here; for example, no Thunderbird
[03:46] <Luyin> RoadRunner: you can find the location of a specific package with "which packagename", e. g. "which thunderbird", which will give you "/usr/sbin/thunderbird" (mark the "s" in "sbin")
[03:47] <rww> unrelated to package. which looks for files in general. you can see the executable contents of installed packages with something like dpkg -L weechat-curses | grep bin
[03:47] <rww> assuming they went in /usr/bin or /bin or /usr/sbin or /sbin or somewhere else binny
[03:53] <RoadRunner> Luyin: in my case, "which thunderbird" gave me "/usr/bin/thunderbird" (no "s") but I can't see TB in either bin OR sbin
[03:54] <RoadRunner> same for firefox, for example...
[03:54] <Luyin> RoadRunner: what are you trying to achieve?
[03:54] <RoadRunner> just want to see where things go
[03:54] <RoadRunner> upon instal
[03:55] <RoadRunner> Luyin: if the "which" command is pointing me to a directory, why am I not seeing the binary there?
[03:56] <Luyin> how are you trying to view the contents of /usr/bin?
[03:57] <RoadRunner> in Thunar
[03:58] <RoadRunner> file manager...
[04:00] <RoadRunner> Luyin: ?
[04:01] <Luyin> can't reproduce that. I see thunderbird and firefox in /usr/bin
[04:02] <RoadRunner> Luyin: I can't see them even with hiden files...
[04:03] <Luyin> RoadRunner: screenshot pls
[04:09] <RoadRunner> Luyin: all I can find is a link file "link to ..lib/firefox/firefox.sh" - not a binary/executable (still want that screenshot?)
[04:11] <Luyin> ... and what exactly is the problem with that link?
[04:12] <RoadRunner> no problem, but where is the exec?
[04:15] <Luyin> take a look at the linked file
[04:19] <RoadRunner> unfortunately not the whole path is given...
[04:19] <RoadRunner> where is ...lib?
[04:21] <Luyin> use ls -l /usr/bin/firefox to find out
[04:24] <RoadRunner> Luyin: sorry for newbie questions, but the above command just gave me " ..lib/firefox/firefox.sh" again
[04:29] <RoadRunner> Luyin: hope I am not being excessively dense here, but I am really not finding it...
[04:31] <Luyin> RoadRunner: run "find /usr/ -name "firefox*"
[04:31] <Luyin> oh and ignore output telling you that you don't have permissions
[04:32] <RoadRunner> Luyin: all I got there was ">" with nothing else
[04:33] <Luyin> ah sry
[04:33] <Luyin> RoadRunner: run "find /usr/ -name "firefox*"" (double " " at the end)
[04:33] <Luyin> that is, the whole command should look like:
[04:33] <Luyin> find /usr/ -name "firefox*"
[04:34] <Luyin> sry, my capabilities of expression suffer from it being half past 5 in the morning ;)
[04:35] <RoadRunner> :) then I appreciate your help especially !
[04:36] <krytarik> "/usr/bin/firefox -> ../lib/firefox/firefox.sh" - one directory up, then go from there.
[04:37] <Luyin> oh that was only two dots?
[04:37] <Luyin> I didn't see that
[04:37] <Afdal> oh hay
[04:37] <Afdal> since you guise at talkin about Firefox
[04:38] <Afdal> Hey does anyone know how to set Firefox's default preferences?
[04:38] <Afdal> as in, before OS installation
[04:38] <Afdal> where are those settings stored...  if they're stored
[04:38] <Luyin> Afdal: you can reset firefox to its default settings via the help menu in FF itself
[04:39] <Afdal> oh sorry I didn't articulate that very well
[04:39] <Luyin> or, if you prefer to handle files manually (which I wouldn't recommend): ~/.mozilla/firefox
[04:39] <Afdal> I want to modify the default settings for a custom installation :)
[04:39] <Afdal> I think the .mozilla folder is user-based so it's not gonna work
[04:40] <Afdal> I'm making a modified Xubuntu liveCD
[04:40] <RoadRunner> Luyin: krytarik: I found it! but the file is labeled not as exec but as a shell script, that's why I sailed by it...  why is this not an exec and/or why aren't all app execs not in one place to be found conviniently?
[04:43] <krytarik> RoadRunner: This qualifies as an "exec" for me: "-rwxr-xr-x ... /usr/lib/firefox/firefox.sh".
[04:44] <RoadRunner> krytarik: and the 2nd part of my question?
[04:46] <Luyin> RoadRunner: did you look INTO the file?
[04:46] <Luyin> like opening it with an editor/pager?
[04:46] <Luyin> e. g. "less lib/firefox/firefox.sh"
[04:46] <RoadRunner> Luyin: yes, it is described as an app launcher bla, bla, bla...
[04:47] <RoadRunner> they said something about an ease of migration, I guess it didn't make much sense to my linux virgin brain
[04:47] <Luyin> RoadRunner: and does it say something about a file it executes?
[04:48] <Luyin> RoadRunner: I still fail to see why you're looking into this. is there something wrong with your firefox installation?
[04:49] <RoadRunner> Luyin: ok, I'd say we've persued this far enough :), my firefox is fine; what I am having problems with is my Cairo-dock
[04:49] <RoadRunner> where, when I try to drag app icons onto it
[04:49] <RoadRunner> the icons are replaced with generic sys icons
[04:50] <RoadRunner> http://imgur.com/DF5fq8m
[04:50] <RoadRunner> so I thought its because I am draging desktop objects and not actual execs
[04:50] <krytarik> RoadRunner: Ftm, http://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/FHS_3.0/fhs/index.html
[04:52] <RoadRunner> krytarik: thank you for this, I was looking for a more in depth explanation than just a picture with just the 1st level dirs :)
[04:57] <Luyin> RoadRunner: I see there IS firefox in your dock, so what's the problem?
[04:57] <Luyin> RoadRunner: also, read this:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard
[04:59] <RoadRunner> thank you for fs hierarchy help, now lets move on to Cairo: I want to add app icons not to the dock itself but to its stack docklet
[05:06] <RoadRunner> please note that on this picture http://i.imgur.com/5cMDfOk.png the menu of the docklet shown is showing no icons and you can see how draging firefox from diff places produced diff results but none produced its icon
[05:09] <RoadRunner> krytarik: would you like to help me with this :) ?
[05:29] <krytarik> RoadRunner: So it's an error in Cairo Dock - I already mentioned #cairo-dock earlier, and they might have other support venues and a bug tracker as well.
[05:32] <RoadRunner> I posted this question in their channel as well, but not too many people there; since I just upgraded to its latest ver (3.4) I thought if this was a bug - it would be a big one and it would get picked up bfr this release; perhaps I am just missing some way to do this...
[05:57] <krytarik> RoadRunner: Since it seems that the Stacks plugin is actually meant for files, rather than application launchers, I'd think that if you make the respective .desktop files executable (+x), it should work.
[06:01] <RoadRunner> krytarik: sorry, I didn't get that, +x ?
[06:02] <krytarik> RoadRunner: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/wily/en/man1/chmod.1.html
[06:04] <RoadRunner> this sounds pretty involved, I'll have a read through with a clearer head, bud I doubt that's what cairo creators had in mind; their thing should be simple to use
[06:10] <RoadRunner> krytarik: oh, and if I understood you right: the files you see in the docklet of my image, don't have correct icons but they DO launch correct apps
[06:14] <krytarik> RoadRunner: Yep, I was just referring to the icons.
[07:03] <RoadRunner> krytarik: sorry, had to step out; where do icons from apps reside in fs?
[07:14] <krytarik> RoadRunner: You want the launchers, not the icons - generally, system-wide in '/usr/share/applications', and user-specific in '~/.local/share/applications'.
[07:16] <krytarik> Also, this might come in handy at some point: http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/
[07:18] <RoadRunner> "generally, system-wide in '/usr/share/applications', and user-specific in '~/.local/share/applications'." so these are locations for icons or for launchers?
[07:21] <krytarik> Launchers are the ones with ".desktop" at the end.
[07:23] <RoadRunner> is there a way to change an icon for a launcher?
[07:24] <krytarik> Look at the link I just posted.
[07:27] <RoadRunner> already got it bookmarked, thank you as usual :) (there's much there, it'll take me a while to go through it all, but if the answer is there - great!)
[07:28] <RoadRunner> and for now, time to sleep, thanks again and talk to you later :)
[09:39] <XubUserSp1984> quit()
[09:39] <XubUserSp1984> exit
[09:41] <XubUserSp1984> Hi
[09:41] <XubUserSp1984> A new Xubuntu user from Spain
[09:44] <XubUserSp1984> I'm using 14.04 LTS. It's fine. I like it. No troubles at the moment
[15:21] <RockLee> Hey guys, I've been searching around for a remedy for USB 3.0 slow transfer speeds on Xubuntu 14.04, but I'm still where I started. Does anyone know a workaround?
[16:03] <xzgv> hi all
[16:06] <xzgv> I tried to install xubuntu, i chose to partition, but the bootloader has only offers one choice - /dev/sda - no good - i need the option ( no bootloader) i got 2 other distros installed with grub on the first one. is there something i am not seeing?
[16:07] <xzgv> grub on the first distro
[16:09] <xzgv> trying to install  xubuntu 14.04-3
[16:17] <pencilandpaper> The installer doesn't have the "other" option xzgv ?
[16:17] <pencilandpaper> Where you can manually choose your partition?
[16:17] <pencilandpaper> Then let it run through the install until it asks where you want grub installed, and to choose not to install it?
[16:19] <xzgv> pencilandpaper, just /dev/sda
[16:20] <xzgv> let it install, and then there is another option to say NO to grub install?
[16:20] <pencilandpaper> Not so much letting it install, but its after choosing the "other" option so that you can manually choose your partition that you want xubuntu installed to I believe.
[16:20] <pencilandpaper> You don't want Xubuntu controlling grub right?
[16:21] <xzgv> no
[16:21] <xzgv> i would lose the other 2 distros
[16:22] <pencilandpaper> How would you lose the other two distro's..Xubuntu's grub will see the other two distro's. What are the other two distro's if you don't mind me asking?
[16:23] <xzgv> antix and vectorlinux
[16:24] <pencilandpaper> Those should be seen by Xubuntu's grub bro. After installation, boot in to Xubuntu and run: sudo update-grub
[16:24] <xzgv> i already got grub on antix (first distro) no bootloader on vector
[16:25] <pencilandpaper> right, thats a debian based distro..they always allow for that option. I use it as well..to opt out of grub being installed. :)  So I feel you..but I think that Xubuntu's grub will see those other two distro's and you should be able to choose what you want to boot in to.
[16:25] <pencilandpaper> The order just may not be how you want it in the grub menu.
[16:26] <xzgv> i don't care about the order just want the 3 of them to show
[16:26] <xzgv> I don't want to end up with just xubuntu and miss the other 2
[16:27] <pencilandpaper> It should see them for you xzgv , go for it..and if it doesn't see them. Then we can figure it all out man.
[16:27] <pencilandpaper> BUT..remember to boot in to Xubuntu and run: sudo update-grub
[16:27] <pencilandpaper> If they aren't seen initially after installation that is how to get the other two distro's to be seen.
[16:28] <pencilandpaper> I have to restart soon, I just ran updates and a new kernel was installed.
[16:28] <xzgv> yeah, that's what i did with antix to make vector appear in the menu
[16:28] <pencilandpaper> I'm over here running a unstable version of Xubuntu..just to watch it update in to stable. :)
[16:28] <pencilandpaper> Nice xzgv .
[16:28] <pencilandpaper> System:    Host: ijotlines-Latitude-E6320 Kernel: 4.4.0-2-generic x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: Xfce 4.12.3
[16:28] <pencilandpaper>            Distro: Ubuntu 16.04 xenial
[16:28] <pencilandpaper> :)
[16:28] <pencilandpaper> Brb.
[16:33] <pencilandpaper> Nice, everything went ok. :)
[16:33] <pencilandpaper> Brb.
[22:43] <Slide_> Hello !
[22:48] <chem> I recently switched from Mint to Xubuntu 15.10, and I can't figure out how to get permissions to work. Specifically, I can't get Plex Media Server access to a mounted 2nd hard drive. Can anyone help?
[22:50] <knome> how did you get it to work in mint?
[22:51] <chem> I followed the top answer here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/395291/plex-media-server-wont-find-media-external-hard-drive
[22:54] <knome> have you tried to follow that guide on xubuntu?
[22:55] <chem> Yes, doesn't work
[22:58] <oswin> join/ #xubuntu-fr
[22:58] <oswin> join/ #fedora-fr
[23:00] <krytarik> chem: That depends on the permissions on the concerning HDD, of course.
[23:01] <chem> krytarik: how do you mean?
[23:20] <thoma> Hi. Anyone have experienced problem with xfce4-terminal + solarized colors palette and vim? I see that colors are reversed for dark and for light theme. If I'll select light solarized colorscheme for xfce4-terminal, and then light solarized colorscheme for vim, it turns out that I have dark solarized colorscheme in vim. When I set dark solarized colorscheme for vim, it gives me light version. What the heck?
[23:24] <knome> thoma, since you specifically ask about xfce4-terminal, have you checked if this happens with other terminal emulators?
[23:48] <thoma> knome: I didn't, but I guess it's okay with other term emulators, since people don't post this kind of problems with xterm for example