[00:11] <teward> um............
[00:11] <teward> wxl: any idea why i'm not seeing ISOs other than alternate for Lubuntu Daily?
[00:13] <teward> phillw: that test for the shutdown thing, that's from the live environment, right?
[00:13] <teward> both amd64 and i386?
[00:13]  * teward needs that bug again
[00:13] <phillw> teward: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/351/builds shows them all to me. Jeeze, you and iso tracker seem to have really fallen out!!!
[00:14] <teward> phillw: not the tracker, the sync locations
[00:14] <phillw> teward: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/1447038
[00:14] <teward> hmm
[00:15] <teward> phillw: i'm gonna see if I can't get in touch with someone at Canonical. the cdimage server doesn't show me everything apparently and it's derping
[00:16] <phillw> teward: I'm not too sure how high priority traffic the daily builds are for syncing. afaik, we were always told to get them from the build server.
[00:16] <teward> mmm
[00:16] <teward> well
[00:17] <phillw> and then the 'news' sites would issue it's link and cripple it.
[00:17] <teward> the ISO tracker points to cdimage.ubuntu.com
[00:17] <teward> which is where i'm trying to pullf rom :/
[00:17] <teward> i think i'll poke balloons and see if they can get me in touch with canonical IS to do some debugging
[00:17] <phillw> teward: indeed
[00:17] <teward> phillw: confirmed the won't shutdown issue on 20160129, BUT if you hit the "Enter" key it will shut off
[00:18]  * teward remembers that the GUI prompts from 14.04 and 15.10 ask to hit "Enter" to verify media removal
[00:18] <phillw> in the meantime, if you need any - prod me and I'll pull them to phillw.net
[00:21] <teward> phillw: got a system to test with?
[00:21] <teward> VBox perhaps?
[00:21]  * teward needs you to do a test
[00:21] <teward> or is simon alive
[00:21] <phillw> teward: tsimonq2 is alive :)
[00:22] <teward> good, then i'm stealing him again
[00:22] <teward> tsimonq2: ping, time to look alive :)
[00:22] <phillw> I'm still only KVM at the mo.
[00:22] <teward> ack
[00:22] <tsimonq2> *yawn*
[00:22] <teward> tsimonq2: you look like you need coffee :P
[00:22] <tsimonq2> not at dad's, can't do the VMs, sorry
[00:22] <teward> ok
[00:22] <tsimonq2> s/not//
[00:23]  * phillw mutters, curses and installs vBox .....
[00:23]  * teward ignites phillw's vBox with evil
[00:28] <teward> phillw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/1447038/comments/25
[00:28] <teward> i'm able to get it past that step
[00:28] <teward> by hitting "Enter"
[00:29] <teward> so... :P
[00:29] <phillw> teward: which iso are you using?
[00:30] <teward> phillw: 20160129 Lubuntu Desktop Live
[00:30] <teward> both amd64 and i386
[00:30] <teward> updating to 0130 now
[00:30] <teward> note that i remember what the other releases' ISOs prompt for :P
[00:31] <teward> hence why i thought i'd poke/test
[00:31] <teward> at least, with latest VMware, the "Enter" gets to the prompt.
[00:31] <teward> s/prompt/system/
[00:31] <phillw> teward: okies, I'm still on the a2's ... let me refresh
[00:31] <teward> ack
[00:31] <teward> phillw: i don't have alpha 2, if only 'cause i can't find that milestone on the tracker
[00:31] <teward> maybe my system hates me
[00:31] <teward> but i always try and test dailies heh
[00:32] <teward> A2 would take an eon to download right now though
[00:32] <phillw> teward: those are on my phillw.net just for you :P
[00:32] <teward> :P
[00:37] <teward> works with 20160130 too, my hitting "Enter" at the 'not shutting down' and 'hanging' step at the end
[00:37] <teward> though the splash indeed does not show
[00:37] <phillw> teward: oops... just asked zysnc to replace my current desktop-amd64 image which is ubuntu-mate with lubuntu..... then I worked out why it wanted to take so long!!!
[00:37] <teward> so nobody knows to actually hit the "Enter" button
[00:37] <teward> phillw: heheh fail
[00:37] <phillw> teward: I've mv-d my -- ones mack
[00:37] <phillw> l-
[00:41] <phillw> teward: what version of VBox are you using?
[00:41] <teward> none
[00:41] <teward> VMware
[00:41] <phillw> oh, ffs
[00:41] <teward> so test it in vbox :P
[00:42] <teward> i can do the VMware tests but the VBox tests are also important :)
[00:42] <teward> i'm probably one of the few who uses VMware Workstation because i have it, over VBox
[00:42] <phillw> teward: "A newer version of vbox are available directly from vbox...." ... sod it... I'll go get that one.
[00:42] <teward> *chuckles*
[00:43] <phillw> teward: rules are we use the latest version :D
[00:43] <teward> indeed
[00:43] <teward> and i'm on the latest VMware Workstation :)
[00:44] <phillw> teward: if VBox new version works, there is still time to get it into 16.04
[00:45] <phillw> which would make a lot of sense for an LTS rather than SRU's
[00:45] <teward> mhm
[00:49] <phillw>   Version 5.0.14 r105127
[00:51] <phillw> teward: -rw------- 1 phillw phillw  892338176 Jan 30 16:37 xenial-desktop-amd64.iso
[00:51] <phillw> is that the one you have?
[00:57] <phillw> teward: ??
[00:58] <teward> yep
[00:59] <phillw> okies.. starting
[01:46] <wxl> teward: did you figure out your problem with the isos?
[01:47] <teward> wxl: nope
[01:47] <teward> i just did the roundabout way of getting ISOs
[01:47] <teward> use one of my servers to download
[01:47] <teward> then download from the server
[01:47] <tsimonq2> teward: or a cdimage mirror?
[01:47] <teward> then nuke
[01:47] <wxl> cuz i see them all
[01:47] <wxl> well on the tracker
[01:48] <wxl> but the alternates are on cdimage
[01:48] <wxl> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily/current/
[01:48] <wxl> i think you need more coffee teward
[01:49] <tsimonq2> wxl: yeah we need to overnight teward coffee, 5 gallons of it
[01:50] <teward> could just wire me $25
[01:50] <teward> that gives me 5 lattes
[01:50] <teward> which is... what, about 15 cups of coffee worth of caffeine >:D
[02:03] <phillw> teward: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Death-Wish-Coffee-Strongest-Organic/dp/B006CQ1ZHI Oh, and it has sold out!!!!
[02:05] <teward> in the UK it is
[02:05] <teward> not here
[02:05] <teward> :P
[02:05] <phillw> he he :P
[02:06] <wxl> http://www.drugs.com/monograph/caffeine-caffeine-and-sodium-benzoate-injection-caffeine-citrate.html
[02:06] <phillw> there are stronger ones here, also - but not fair trade ones.
[02:10] <teward> :P
[02:27] <tsimonq2> !offtopic
[02:30] <phillw> tsimonq2: So, you now have learned that one of the most important things for development and testing is coffee :)
[02:30] <tsimonq2> !offtopic | phillw
[02:30] <tsimonq2> :P
[02:30] <phillw> tsimonq2: I will not tell you again.
[02:31] <tsimonq2> phillw: tell me what? that your conversations are offtopic? :P
[02:31] <teward> don't be so rigid with the rules
[02:31]  * teward drags tsimonq2 into the river
[02:31] <teward> anyways, i'll do more testing tomorrow
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[17:40] <tsimonq2> phillw: bug 1419384 says that the LightDM testcase is a little unclear...since you have VM access could you confirm that this testcase is outdated?
[18:50] <tsimonq2> wxl, phillw: In Xenial the lubuntu-desktop metapackage is broken
[18:51] <phillw> tsimonq2: which one?
[18:57] <tsimonq2> phillw: well in a minimal install, sudo apt install lubuntu-desktop throws dep errors
[18:59] <phillw> tsimonq2: it is likely a mis-match in the repos. for alternate image ISO it uses tasksel to actually pull that meta-package :)
[19:00] <phillw> tsimonq2: sad, I'm a geek when it comes to that part :P
[19:00] <Unit193> tsimonq2: Well?  Going to spit out the error soon?
[19:00] <Unit193> Also,  apt-get install lubuntu-desktop^ next time.
[19:01] <tsimonq2> Unit193: apt works just fine, Unit193
[19:02] <tsimonq2> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[19:02] <tsimonq2>  lubuntu-desktop : Depends: cups-driver-gutenprint
[19:02] <tsimonq2>                    Depends: usb-modeswitch but it is not going to be installed
[19:02] <tsimonq2> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[19:02] <Unit193> You clearly missed the point, but meh.
[19:03] <phillw> (19:02:17) tsimonq2: E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[19:03] <Unit193> Those both appear to be in the repo, hm.
[19:03] <phillw> ask Synaptic Package Manager to fix your broken packages.
[19:04] <phillw> I'll go grab todays alt image and spin it up onto a VM
[19:04] <tsimonq2> but lubuntu-core works
[19:08] <phillw> tsimonq2: my best guess is that it is at the stage https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing/PartialUpgrades
[19:08] <phillw> this means the repos are out of sync.
[19:10] <phillw> Leave it a few hours and it will most likely behave. As I said, the alt image depends on that meta-package, so it is unlikely to stay broken for too long.
[19:10] <tsimonq2> phillw: it's been like that for the past week, so I did wait
[19:10] <tsimonq2> week or more
[19:11] <phillw> tsimonq2: okies... I'll go have a dig :)
[19:14] <phillw> tsimonq2: so, following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall#Method
[19:23] <phillw> tsimonq2: ??
[19:28] <phillw> tsimonq2: poke....
[19:55] <phillw> tsimonq2: is the test case https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall#Method ?
[19:57] <tsimonq2> phillw: oh what?
[19:57] <tsimonq2> sorry
[19:57] <phillw> (18:50:45) tsimonq2: wxl, phillw: In Xenial the lubuntu-desktop metapackage is broken
[19:57] <phillw> (18:51:33) phillw: tsimonq2: which one?
[19:57] <phillw> (18:57:19) tsimonq2: phillw: well in a minimal install, sudo apt install lubuntu-desktop throws dep errors
[20:00] <tsimonq2> phillw: no I didn't use that, already wiped the VM, sorry
[20:04] <tsimonq2> phillw: no I didn't use that, already wiped the VM, sorry
[20:05] <phillw> tsimonq2: so what test case do you use?
[20:08] <tsimonq2> phillw: I wasn't following a test case, I just get an image and install the packages
[20:08] <tsimonq2> phillw: I don't have to refer to any guide
[20:09]  * tsimonq2 is proud of that
[20:11] <phillw> tsimonq2: so you have no test case for anyone to follow to replicate your reported bug? I'd not be proud of that, I'd call that a fail at the most basic level of bug reporting ..... "Make sure someone can reproduce it"... But, that's maybe me being old fashioned as to how we verify bugs.
[20:12] <tsimonq2> phillw: I meant I don't have to refer to anything to install the metapackage
[20:12] <tsimonq2> phillw: so I can write something up if need be, but I don't refer to any documentation while doing it
[20:12] <tsimonq2> that's what I meant :)
[20:14] <phillw> tsimonq2: well, there is the actual test case. It's not just a metaphorical thought up test case, it is actually what the instructions a person using the netboot iso will be following.
[20:15] <tsimonq2> phillw: but yet are those easy to find? that's the first time I have seen them...
[20:17] <phillw> tsimonq2: if you start at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu you will it at #9 in the contents section. We do it that way so people can find it.
[20:18] <tsimonq2> alright
[20:21] <phillw> tsimonq2: and you can ask why http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/351/builds/111349/downloads amd64 version reports a 404 error, thus meaning I cannot test if lubuntu-desktop from minimal install does, or does not work.
[20:32] <tsimonq2> phillw: bug 1418488
[20:36] <phillw> ::SIGH::
[20:39] <phillw> tsimonq2: found it :P http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/
[20:40] <phillw> I'll have a play a bit later :)