| ochosi | bluesabre: yeah, i thought we could scale it a bit | 09:02 |
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| dkessel | flocculant: good day. testing session is today, in 30 minutes, or is my calendar totally out-of-date? | 15:31 |
| flocculant | dkessel: it was - ~15 now :D | 15:45 |
| dkessel | flocculant: good day. testing session is today, in 30 minutes, or is my calendar totally out-of-date:p | 15:45 |
| dkessel | wha | 15:45 |
| * dkessel needs to minify his fingers | 15:45 | |
| flocculant | :) | 15:49 |
| flocculant | hi akxwi-dave | 15:49 |
| flocculant | who's here for the package test session? | 16:00 |
| jjfrv8 | o/ | 16:00 |
| flocculant | hi Jack :) | 16:00 |
| jjfrv8 | howdy | 16:00 |
| bluesabre | o/ | 16:00 |
| bluesabre | (for questions more than anything) | 16:01 |
| flocculant | :) | 16:01 |
| flocculant | well if it's just Jack and dkessel we can just let them ask what they want :D | 16:01 |
| knome | i guess i'm here too ;) | 16:02 |
| MrTulias | \o | 16:02 |
| flocculant | leave it for 5 minutes and then just open it up to questions anyone has I guess | 16:02 |
| flocculant | hi MrTulias | 16:02 |
| MrTulias | hi | 16:02 |
| flocculant | MrTulias: did you get chance to look at the contributor docs? | 16:02 |
| flocculant | hi akxwi-dave | 16:03 |
| MrTulias | yes | 16:04 |
| flocculant | cool | 16:04 |
| akxwi-dave | howdo | 16:04 |
| flocculant | ok so with MrTulias and people from team I guess the best way would be for people to ask things | 16:06 |
| akxwi-dave | flocculant, re the thunar crashes.. been trying to get my laptop to crash, but no matter what i throw at it, it wont | 16:06 |
| flocculant | I'd assume that MrTulias will have most :) | 16:06 |
| flocculant | akxwi-dave: :) | 16:06 |
| flocculant | if not I'll start with a topic then see if that works :D | 16:09 |
| bluesabre | akxwi-dave: is this with or without the thunar package currently in the xubunt-staging ppa (uploaded the night before last)? | 16:09 |
| bluesabre | (or both) | 16:09 |
| MrTulias | Sure, I do not know what to do if a fault occurs, how to report it | 16:09 |
| jjfrv8 | my only question is about filing bugs against dev packages. I've been unsuccessful in the past on a couple of occasions even following the instructions. | 16:10 |
| flocculant | ok | 16:10 |
| flocculant | so let's do standard packages first | 16:10 |
| flocculant | MrTulias: assume you've got a fault with thunar and you've not been presented with the apport (crash/bug reporter) it's simply running that from a terminal | 16:11 |
| flocculant | ubuntu-bug thunar | 16:11 |
| flocculant | that'll start the reported up | 16:12 |
| flocculant | MrTulias: try it now and you'll see what it does - you can abort | 16:12 |
| akxwi-dave | flocculant, knome: this is with 1.6.10, i have the 3 development ppa installed, and do a daily update & upgrade | 16:14 |
| jjfrv8 | I just got 1.6.10-2 on my Vivid desktop. I have not had issues with 1.6.10-1. Haven't test on my X laptop yet. | 16:15 |
| flocculant | MrTulias: did you see that? | 16:16 |
| MrTulias | Yes, I try it with MenuLibre | 16:16 |
| flocculant | k - so that's how to report simply | 16:17 |
| flocculant | if you're trying to do so with a package from a ppa then ubuntu-bug fails | 16:18 |
| flocculant | to do that you're need to go to the launchpad page - https://launchpad.net/menulibre | 16:19 |
| flocculant | from there you can manually report a bug, link in the Get involved section at top right | 16:20 |
| knome | (or in the case that the projects upstream isn't launchpad https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/packagename) | 16:20 |
| flocculant | what you find is though - none of the data that ubuntu-bug would provide happens - so you're basically at the whim of a dev asking | 16:21 |
| flocculant | for our ppa's - the dev's are all in team - so they would ask | 16:22 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: wouldn't you :D | 16:22 |
| bluesabre | indeed | 16:22 |
| bluesabre | :D | 16:22 |
| flocculant | :) | 16:22 |
| jjfrv8 | That might be where I want wrong. The two different methods don't show in the QA docs. | 16:23 |
| knome | jjfrv8, let's fix that :) | 16:23 |
| jjfrv8 | ok :) | 16:23 |
| flocculant | http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/qa-bugs.html#qa-bugs-ppa | 16:23 |
| knome | right, let's not fix that ;) | 16:24 |
| flocculant | and above it the ubuntu-bug way :) | 16:24 |
| flocculant | jjfrv8: the docs got a pretty massive overhaul | 16:24 |
| knome | i propose to add new subheadings for that part | 16:24 |
| flocculant | mmh | 16:25 |
| knome | eg. one "Reporting bugs" header, then subheading "Regular bugs", "Bugs in PPA packages" | 16:25 |
| knome | or sth | 16:25 |
| knome | might make it a bit more obvious | 16:25 |
| flocculant | but there are some other changes to ppa to add in when bluesabre has them set up | 16:25 |
| knome | mhm | 16:25 |
| flocculant | MrTulias: following ok? | 16:26 |
| bluesabre | I should have those updated this week | 16:26 |
| MrTulias | yes, I see it | 16:26 |
| flocculant | okey doke | 16:26 |
| jjfrv8 | I'm still confused. | 16:27 |
| MrTulias | but not updated, sorry | 16:27 |
| knome | jjfrv8, ubuntu-bug when the package isn't from a PPA, manual reporting when it is (developers will ask for more data) | 16:27 |
| jjfrv8 | The "Reporting bugs with PPAs section only lists one way to file a bug, not the one flocculant mentioned about the "Getting involved" link on LP | 16:27 |
| flocculant | jjfrv8: oic - the one in the docs is basically the shortcut to what I said | 16:28 |
| flocculant | but we can make that more obvious perhaps | 16:28 |
| jjfrv8 | ah, but I think when I've tried that in the past, it said sth like "no such package". | 16:29 |
| flocculant | ok | 16:29 |
| knome | the package names aren't always completely obvious | 16:29 |
| knome | i guess.. | 16:29 |
| flocculant | jjfrv8: I've seen similar - or I've seen where something says "we don't really use launchpad" | 16:30 |
| flocculant | I suppose in those outliers best to ask someone | 16:30 |
| knome | actually | 16:30 |
| knome | one situation where LP might say that | 16:30 |
| knome | if you are trying to file a bug against a virtual package created by another package | 16:31 |
| knome | for example, (IIRC), the slideshow has a virtual package ubiquity-slideshow-xubuntu, which is created by the source package ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu | 16:31 |
| flocculant | jjfrv8: better now? | 16:33 |
| jjfrv8 | Yup, think so :) | 16:34 |
| flocculant | k | 16:34 |
| flocculant | MrTulias: how about you? | 16:34 |
| MrTulias | fine | 16:34 |
| flocculant | ok - other questions? | 16:35 |
| jjfrv8 | not I | 16:35 |
| flocculant | I can ask one :) | 16:35 |
| * bluesabre hands flocculant the mic | 16:36 | |
| flocculant | does everyone understand what we mean when we talk about exploratory testing? | 16:36 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: thanks :p | 16:36 |
| jjfrv8 | you mean if we understand, why no one does it? | 16:36 |
| flocculant | not really - just making sure people do understand :D | 16:37 |
| bluesabre | the thunar bug is a good example I'd imagine, reporting a bug as you find it through normal usage | 16:38 |
| flocculant | yea | 16:38 |
| flocculant | MrTulias: anything else you want to talk about? | 16:41 |
| jjfrv8 | I just have to remember to periodically update the tracker if I'm paying attention to that kind of thing. | 16:41 |
| flocculant | yea | 16:41 |
| MrTulias | The tests must be repeated on each update? | 16:43 |
| knome | every time you test, you have to report, yeah | 16:43 |
| flocculant | MrTulias: say you found a bug in menulibre, then it gets an update, you would want to see if the still saw the bug | 16:44 |
| knome | that too :) | 16:44 |
| bluesabre | +1 | 16:44 |
| knome | that's why there's a list of the bugs to look for in the tracker | 16:44 |
| flocculant | the bug report itself - should get set fix released | 16:44 |
| flocculant | assuming that the update included it | 16:45 |
| flocculant | MrTulias: was that what you meant? | 16:46 |
| jjfrv8 | in the specific case of Thunar, is testing the latest on vivid still valid? (I do plan to install xenial on my desktop in the next few days) | 16:47 |
| MrTulias | They are discussing the bug thunar, I did not have any. I wondering if I should repeat the test to update | 16:48 |
| jjfrv8 | I mean wily | 16:48 |
| akxwi-dave | if you have the luxury of testing on both, it would be great.. | 16:48 |
| flocculant | MrTulias: are you testing on xenial? do you have ppa enabled? | 16:48 |
| knome | testing with the development version (eg. xenial) is the best, but sometimes tests with other releases might be just as valid | 16:49 |
| bluesabre | jjfrv8: generally, we push ppa fixes to the most recent release (in this case wily) and current development (xenial) | 16:49 |
| bluesabre | when in doubt, go for xenial :) | 16:49 |
| akxwi-dave | There was a bug that seeme to only happen on xenial with the ppa's, but those same ppa's on wiley didnt have the bug | 16:49 |
| knome | in the situation akxwi-dave mentioned, tests with wily are less meaningful | 16:49 |
| jjfrv8 | yup, got it today on wily and that's the machine that gets the most real-life testing | 16:49 |
| knome | i mean once that's figured out | 16:50 |
| knome | but when a bug happens on both releases, then it's fine to test with that | 16:50 |
| bluesabre | akxwi-dave: that's good information to add to the bug report, can help to identify the source of the bug | 16:50 |
| knome | considering the new version we are testing has landed to the PPA | 16:50 |
| knome | but ultimately, we always want at least some tests on the development release | 16:50 |
| flocculant | MrTulias: so if you're using the ppa and xenial and not seeing the bug - then that's what bluesabre would want to hear :) | 16:52 |
| bluesabre | yes, very much so | 16:52 |
| jjfrv8 | thanks, flocculant et al. This has been a help. Gotta head out now. | 16:53 |
| flocculant | obviously he'd want to hear if it didn't as well - but not as happily :) | 16:53 |
| flocculant | jjfrv8: ok thanks for asking things :) | 16:53 |
| flocculant | it's always easy to assume everyone knows what *you* do | 16:53 |
| jjfrv8 | :) | 16:54 |
| akxwi-dave | :) | 16:54 |
| bluesabre | thanks jjfrv8! | 16:56 |
| flocculant | MrTulias: anything else? | 16:57 |
| MrTulias | nop | 16:57 |
| MrTulias | at moment :p | 16:57 |
| flocculant | anyone else? | 16:58 |
| flocculant | if not we'll call it :) | 16:58 |
| bluesabre | I'm good | 16:59 |
| flocculant | MrTulias: obviously you can just come here and ask things if they pop up | 16:59 |
| knome | or the mailing list | 16:59 |
| flocculant | yep | 16:59 |
| MrTulias | ok, thanks | 16:59 |
| flocculant | thank you :) | 17:00 |
| flocculant | biab then | 17:00 |
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