[09:02] bluesabre: yeah, i thought we could scale it a bit [15:31] flocculant: good day. testing session is today, in 30 minutes, or is my calendar totally out-of-date? [15:45] dkessel: it was - ~15 now :D [15:45] flocculant: good day. testing session is today, in 30 minutes, or is my calendar totally out-of-date:p [15:45] wha [15:45] * dkessel needs to minify his fingers [15:49] :) [15:49] hi akxwi-dave [16:00] who's here for the package test session? [16:00] o/ [16:00] hi Jack :) [16:00] howdy [16:00] o/ [16:01] (for questions more than anything) [16:01] :) [16:01] well if it's just Jack and dkessel we can just let them ask what they want :D [16:02] i guess i'm here too ;) [16:02] \o [16:02] leave it for 5 minutes and then just open it up to questions anyone has I guess [16:02] hi MrTulias [16:02] hi [16:02] MrTulias: did you get chance to look at the contributor docs? [16:03] hi akxwi-dave [16:04] yes [16:04] cool [16:04] howdo [16:06] ok so with MrTulias and people from team I guess the best way would be for people to ask things [16:06] flocculant, re the thunar crashes.. been trying to get my laptop to crash, but no matter what i throw at it, it wont [16:06] I'd assume that MrTulias will have most :) [16:06] akxwi-dave: :) [16:09] if not I'll start with a topic then see if that works :D [16:09] akxwi-dave: is this with or without the thunar package currently in the xubunt-staging ppa (uploaded the night before last)? [16:09] (or both) [16:09] Sure, I do not know what to do if a fault occurs, how to report it [16:10] my only question is about filing bugs against dev packages. I've been unsuccessful in the past on a couple of occasions even following the instructions. [16:10] ok [16:10] so let's do standard packages first [16:11] MrTulias: assume you've got a fault with thunar and you've not been presented with the apport (crash/bug reporter) it's simply running that from a terminal [16:11] ubuntu-bug thunar [16:12] that'll start the reported up [16:12] MrTulias: try it now and you'll see what it does - you can abort [16:14] flocculant, knome: this is with 1.6.10, i have the 3 development ppa installed, and do a daily update & upgrade [16:15] I just got 1.6.10-2 on my Vivid desktop. I have not had issues with 1.6.10-1. Haven't test on my X laptop yet. [16:16] MrTulias: did you see that? [16:16] Yes, I try it with MenuLibre [16:17] k - so that's how to report simply [16:18] if you're trying to do so with a package from a ppa then ubuntu-bug fails [16:19] to do that you're need to go to the launchpad page - https://launchpad.net/menulibre [16:20] from there you can manually report a bug, link in the Get involved section at top right [16:20] (or in the case that the projects upstream isn't launchpad https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/packagename) [16:21] what you find is though - none of the data that ubuntu-bug would provide happens - so you're basically at the whim of a dev asking [16:22] for our ppa's - the dev's are all in team - so they would ask [16:22] bluesabre: wouldn't you :D [16:22] indeed [16:22] :D [16:22] :) [16:23] That might be where I want wrong. The two different methods don't show in the QA docs. [16:23] jjfrv8, let's fix that :) [16:23] ok :) [16:23] http://docs.xubuntu.org/contributors/qa-bugs.html#qa-bugs-ppa [16:24] right, let's not fix that ;) [16:24] and above it the ubuntu-bug way :) [16:24] jjfrv8: the docs got a pretty massive overhaul [16:24] i propose to add new subheadings for that part [16:25] mmh [16:25] eg. one "Reporting bugs" header, then subheading "Regular bugs", "Bugs in PPA packages" [16:25] or sth [16:25] might make it a bit more obvious [16:25] but there are some other changes to ppa to add in when bluesabre has them set up [16:25] mhm [16:26] MrTulias: following ok? [16:26] I should have those updated this week [16:26] yes, I see it [16:26] okey doke [16:27] I'm still confused. [16:27] but not updated, sorry [16:27] jjfrv8, ubuntu-bug when the package isn't from a PPA, manual reporting when it is (developers will ask for more data) [16:27] The "Reporting bugs with PPAs section only lists one way to file a bug, not the one flocculant mentioned about the "Getting involved" link on LP [16:28] jjfrv8: oic - the one in the docs is basically the shortcut to what I said [16:28] but we can make that more obvious perhaps [16:29] ah, but I think when I've tried that in the past, it said sth like "no such package". [16:29] ok [16:29] the package names aren't always completely obvious [16:29] i guess.. [16:30] jjfrv8: I've seen similar - or I've seen where something says "we don't really use launchpad" [16:30] I suppose in those outliers best to ask someone [16:30] actually [16:30] one situation where LP might say that [16:31] if you are trying to file a bug against a virtual package created by another package [16:31] for example, (IIRC), the slideshow has a virtual package ubiquity-slideshow-xubuntu, which is created by the source package ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu [16:33] jjfrv8: better now? [16:34] Yup, think so :) [16:34] k [16:34] MrTulias: how about you? [16:34] fine [16:35] ok - other questions? [16:35] not I [16:35] I can ask one :) [16:36] * bluesabre hands flocculant the mic [16:36] does everyone understand what we mean when we talk about exploratory testing? [16:36] bluesabre: thanks :p [16:36] you mean if we understand, why no one does it? [16:37] not really - just making sure people do understand :D [16:38] the thunar bug is a good example I'd imagine, reporting a bug as you find it through normal usage [16:38] yea [16:41] MrTulias: anything else you want to talk about? [16:41] I just have to remember to periodically update the tracker if I'm paying attention to that kind of thing. [16:41] yea [16:43] The tests must be repeated on each update? [16:43] every time you test, you have to report, yeah [16:44] MrTulias: say you found a bug in menulibre, then it gets an update, you would want to see if the still saw the bug [16:44] that too :) [16:44] +1 [16:44] that's why there's a list of the bugs to look for in the tracker [16:44] the bug report itself - should get set fix released [16:45] assuming that the update included it [16:46] MrTulias: was that what you meant? [16:47] in the specific case of Thunar, is testing the latest on vivid still valid? (I do plan to install xenial on my desktop in the next few days) [16:48] They are discussing the bug thunar, I did not have any. I wondering if I should repeat the test to update [16:48] I mean wily [16:48] if you have the luxury of testing on both, it would be great.. [16:48] MrTulias: are you testing on xenial? do you have ppa enabled? [16:49] testing with the development version (eg. xenial) is the best, but sometimes tests with other releases might be just as valid [16:49] jjfrv8: generally, we push ppa fixes to the most recent release (in this case wily) and current development (xenial) [16:49] when in doubt, go for xenial :) [16:49] There was a bug that seeme to only happen on xenial with the ppa's, but those same ppa's on wiley didnt have the bug [16:49] in the situation akxwi-dave mentioned, tests with wily are less meaningful [16:49] yup, got it today on wily and that's the machine that gets the most real-life testing [16:50] i mean once that's figured out [16:50] but when a bug happens on both releases, then it's fine to test with that [16:50] akxwi-dave: that's good information to add to the bug report, can help to identify the source of the bug [16:50] considering the new version we are testing has landed to the PPA [16:50] but ultimately, we always want at least some tests on the development release [16:52] MrTulias: so if you're using the ppa and xenial and not seeing the bug - then that's what bluesabre would want to hear :) [16:52] yes, very much so [16:53] thanks, flocculant et al. This has been a help. Gotta head out now. [16:53] obviously he'd want to hear if it didn't as well - but not as happily :) [16:53] jjfrv8: ok thanks for asking things :) [16:53] it's always easy to assume everyone knows what *you* do [16:54] :) [16:54] :) [16:56] thanks jjfrv8! [16:57] MrTulias: anything else? [16:57] nop [16:57] at moment :p [16:58] anyone else? [16:58] if not we'll call it :) [16:59] I'm good [16:59] MrTulias: obviously you can just come here and ask things if they pop up [16:59] or the mailing list [16:59] yep [16:59] ok, thanks [17:00] thank you :) [17:00] biab then