[02:07] <phillw> tsimonq2: ping
[02:10] <phillw> wxl: ping
[02:12] <tsimonq2> phillw: what do you require?
[02:14] <phillw> tsimonq2: I've got mini-iso to the tasksel stage of selecting what would I like to install.... I have lots of options, is it lubuntu-desktop that you need testing?
[02:15] <tsimonq2> phillw: yes
[02:15] <phillw> running tasksel
[02:15] <teward> phillw: link to mini?
[02:15]  * teward is bored and needs something to do :)
[02:16] <phillw> check the bug :P
[02:16] <teward> E: No Scrollback, IRCing from phone
[02:16] <teward> :P
[02:16] <phillw> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/xenial/
[02:16] <teward> thank you
[02:17] <phillw> teward: you and cdimage must kiss an make up!
[02:17] <teward> it's behaving now
[02:17] <teward> i think it was the fact my firewall was blowing up
[02:17]  * teward had to reinstall pfSense on his border firewall, then restore VLANs and rulesets
[02:18] <phillw> teward: well, this should either give a nightmare or squish bugs. I've asked the initial tasksel screen to install lubuntu-desktop
[02:18] <teward> heh
[02:19] <phillw> teward: as you recall, before, we didn't see the whole list. Now I do.
[02:19] <teward> phillw: i read something about a deps issue though?
[02:20] <teward> i.e. lubuntu-desktop metapackage being broken
[02:21] <phillw> teward: yeah, tsimonq2 said it appeared broken, but he did not have a reproducable system for me to follow. So I've used the tried and tested https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall as the test case.... Been running for longer than he's been out of short pants :P
[02:22] <phillw> 1266 files to down load :)
[02:24] <teward> bleh the one thing i hate about the installers, it does NOT set up autoconfiguration of networking for all network interfaces
[02:24] <teward> so i have to configure secondary interfaces manually >.<
[02:25] <phillw> i have that with fedora before I use RDO cloud script... bloody PITA
[02:27] <teward> i have the harder task - i have to reinstall Server on the QA testing VMs I have.  Then take a snapshot
[02:27] <teward> so i can keep everything easily restorable to "good" heh
[02:28] <tsimonq2> phillw: dud I just had a minimal install then sudo apt -y install lubuntu-desktop
[02:28] <tsimonq2> that. is. all.
[02:28] <tsimonq2> *dude
[02:29] <phillw> teward: well, I had a fall out with core image, expanded it to my ISO directory.. mv'd my ISO's to a tmp area and then fcuk'd up the mv and my ISO directory now looks like...
[02:29] <phillw> phillw@piglet:~/Desktop/ISOs$ ls -l
[02:29] <phillw> total 41984
[02:29] <phillw> -rw-rw-r-- 1 libvirt-qemu kvm 42991616 Jan 21 15:08 mini.iso
[02:29] <teward> then in theory i should be able to replicate by loading my 32bit Server install, `apt-get update && apt-get upgrade`, then attempt to install
[02:29] <teward> phillw: kablooey :p
[02:29] <phillw> Still, it has cleared a shit load of space of the HDD
[02:31] <phillw> tsimonq2: that is NOT the test case.... But, i will hold my tongue to see if my instructions fail.
[02:32] <teward> slow wifi is slow
[02:32] <tsimonq2> just to make everyone aware, I will be working on bug 1185953 tomorrow, it was tagged with lubuntu so I wanted to inform here
[02:32] <tsimonq2> phillw: well let's see
[02:32] <teward> i'll have to grab my LAN connection and bridge it i think
[02:34] <phillw> teward: I'm lucky, I'm about 10 foot away from the WiFi link... I also do have a couple of extended ethernet cables if needed ... my longest is 33 foot.
[02:35] <phillw> or, as you yanks call 10 meters .. 11 yards (P.S. so do we in UK)
[02:35] <teward> i'm on the other side of a wall from my wifi, and that's full strength, but it's metered to not go over 20 Mbps
[02:35] <teward> because i have other segments of my network that take more bandwidth
[02:36] <teward> the LAN-connected machines get the most bandwidth
[02:38] <phillw> I'm on home, so 10mb/s is good. Before they got here with the cable, we got about 750 kb/s .... :D
[02:38] <teward> much much faster heh
[02:39] <teward> phillw: indeed, i have a 150Mbps download speed though so ratelimited wifi doesn't help :p
[02:39] <teward> esp. when the fiancee i netflix-ing at the same time
[02:39] <phillw> teward: I demand a recount!!! .. effing system test says I have 26 Mb/s link
[02:39] <teward> my internal LAN links are gigabit
[02:40] <teward> download speed is 150Mbps (Megabit)
[02:40] <phillw> teward: yeah but you do not live in a little village
[02:40] <teward> on the LAN, 75 - 100 typically
[02:40] <teward> phillw: no, i don't.  :P
[02:41] <teward> (brb)
[02:41] <phillw> I love it since a few years ago they designated the road as a main artery road when the cars come down and the tractors and trailers who take up 2/3 of the road come tonning up with the hazard lights on!!!
[02:43] <phillw> tsimonq2: we have not forgotten you, the files have been downloaded and are now installing... It is at this point you say it will go 'boom' :)
[02:53] <tsimonq2> phillw: well it shouldn't install, it should have dep errors
[02:54] <phillw> Jeez, the local works after my bitching complaint have got us up to 20 Mb/s here.... we got 12 Mb/s
[02:55] <phillw> tsimonq2: I can not confirm or say I cannot replicate a bug until the test finishes.
[02:59] <phillw> tsimonq2: do i confirm grub only finding one O/S ... seems hopeful
[03:00] <teward> E:Slow on the mini iso
[03:00] <teward> i get faster on server heh
[03:01] <teward> oh, might be 'cause all my Ubuntu systems are getting security updates right now from Landscape lel
[03:02] <tsimonq2> well bed for me, let me know phillw and I'll look at it tomorrow morning
[03:05] <phillw> tsimonq2: well, 16.04 installs perfectly if you follow the instructions. So the meta-package is not broken at any level, except in your mind.
[03:06] <teward> phillw: or he had old apt-get data
[03:06] <teward> (I see that every so often with nginx installs in 16.04 actually)
[03:06] <phillw-virtual> tsimonq2: hello from the machine
[03:06]  * phillw-virtual waves to teward 
[03:07]  * phillw-virtual it does take a lot for me to drag myself up for a major error...
[03:08] <phillw-virtual> At least I now know that the issue was pebkac and not some thing serious.
[03:08] <teward> at least we hope
[03:09] <teward> AFAICT it's working fine with the test
[03:09] <teward> but i'm going to test i386 to make sure if installing `lubuntu-desktop` actually works
[03:09] <teward> (snapshots in VMs, for the win)
[03:09] <phillw-virtual> I'm speaking to you from tasksel...
[03:10] <phillw-virtual> Which I thought you were also concerned about. Well the mini-iso's offer a full choice of what to install.
[03:10] <teward> phillw-virtual: i'm concered about the Manual Package Selection task which doesn't get a test
[03:10] <teward> it didn't run in mini iso either
[03:10] <teward> the rest of tasksel i think was already confirmed working
[03:11] <phillw-virtual> teward: are you up for trying that now?
[03:11] <teward> trying what, manual package selection or the lubuntu-desktop test?
[03:12] <teward> (there is a Manual package selection item in tasksel... so...)
[03:12] <phillw-virtual> lubuntu-desktop works... you had doubt over manual package selection
[03:12] <teward> right
[03:12] <phillw-virtual> I'm on lubuntu-desktop via the tasksel
[03:12] <teward> it's not working, confirmed :p
[03:13] <teward> phillw-virtual: when you select "Manual Package Selection", at least in 15.10's ISOs, it pops up an Aptitude prompt for you to select items to install in addition to what's default in tasksel items
[03:13] <teward> it's how i force install open-vm-tools on install without waiting for install to complete (makes vmware behave)
[03:13] <teward> s/behave/behave well with the guest OS/
[03:14] <phillw-virtual> teward: it may still do, so give me instructions as to what you want it to do and why, when it does not, it is a bug - I'm up for it :D
[03:14] <teward> Lubuntu Desktop via tasksel works, confirmed no deps issue, though they were likely testing CLI installation without tasksel
[03:14] <teward> tomorrow
[03:14] <teward> bed time now
[03:14] <phillw-virtual> kk
[03:15] <phillw> teward: tc
[03:17] <teward> phillw: basically, server or mini, select "manual package selection", and expected is a popup of aptitude where you can search for and mark for installation packages you want added
[03:17] <teward> irssi for example may work
[03:17] <teward> but so far i haven't gotten any of those popup aptitudes to show
[03:19] <teward> double confirmation - lubuntu desktop on the mini iso works fine
[03:19] <phillw> teward: are you going to bed, or do really want me to reset a VM for this (5 minutes) ? So it is not pecking at your head
[03:19] <teward> bed comes as soon as I reset my AMD64 VM to Xenial :p
[03:19] <teward> Xenial SErver*
[03:21] <phillw> teward: okies, there is a 'core' VM now created and you are welcome to have it double check any thoughts on it.
[03:21] <teward> 'core' VM?
[03:21] <phillw> 'core' means http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/xenial/
[03:22] <teward> ah
[03:22] <phillw> teward: the isotracker is broken :P
[03:22] <phillw> we have to do it the old way.
[03:22] <teward> isotracker being broken is not new :)
[03:26] <teward> at least, not to me having seen it break a few times recently
[03:26] <teward> oh good the amd64 server ISO i have is busted >.,
[03:26] <teward> >.< *
[03:27] <phillw> teward: it would be much easier to give you an account and trust you to zsync / scp / vsftp files to your own area?
[03:28] <teward> phillw: true, but unnecessary
[03:28] <teward> i keep backups :)
[03:28] <phillw> teward: if you want to share pr0n, you will have to share with Rafael :P
[03:28] <teward> lolol
[03:31] <phillw> wxl: sorry, wrong channel.
[04:56] <phillw> hi micahg :)
[18:21] <wxl> i had a really busy weekend. i don't think i touched my computer once sunday. tsimonq2 phillw are there still any fires?
[18:26] <phillw> wxl: I emailed the dev list.
[18:27] <wxl> phillw: k i'll check more in a bit
[18:58] <wxl> phillw: thanks for that email :)
[18:59] <wxl> phillw: and for your work testing it. it's nice to know that the suspected fire doesn't even have a spark XD
[19:16] <phillw> wxl: I think I passed the be 'diplomatic' challenge .... You should have seen the 1st draft of it :D
[19:16] <wxl> phillw: knowing you, i can only image ;þ
[19:16] <wxl> imagine!
[19:19] <phillw> wxl: a dual challenge of dragging me away from a telly programme and desert where not taken lightly. If i may ask that your padawan does a bit more checking before he broadly announces that the lubuntu-meta package is broken.... That would always be a priority#1 alert!
[19:20] <wxl> phillw: that's what i get for getting swamped in chores all day long sunday :/
[19:22] <phillw> wxl: I was chillaxing after a lovely Sunday dinner and inwardly digesting when I got that statement..... Ruined my evening film on telly!
[19:23] <phillw> wxl: but, on the plus side he now knows about entries #8 and #9 on the getlubuntu page..... :P
[19:23] <wxl> phillw: every mistake as an opportunity!
[19:25] <phillw> wxl: indeed, maybe in future he will read the contents area that we take the time and effort to install on each long page.....
[19:27] <phillw> wxl: oh, gsilvapt has formally confirmed his resignation of TL for wiki/docs due to RL issues. It's being handed back to me until I can assimilate a trusted person to take over.
[19:27]  * wxl sigh
[19:28] <phillw> yeah.... You have NO idea how heavily I feel when I get handed a team back... :'(
[19:29] <wxl> i know
[19:29] <phillw> wxl: trouble is, I have no obvious replacement for him....
[19:29] <wxl> phillw: maybe we should ask the list for applications?
[19:30] <phillw> wxl: I have found, in previous cases, that wiki editors make them selves known. It is a thankless task, I'll have a look through LP ans see if there are any candidates for it.
[19:30] <wxl> phillw: maybe recent members of the team?
[19:32] <phillw> it's not a task like GSOC where they go "ooh, I'm all excited... I'll do it"... and then do not do anything like a certain padawan who was offered a task and then got bored before he even started it....
[19:33] <wxl> GSOC != GCI
[19:33] <phillw> wxl: people with adhd do not make for long term editors...
[19:34] <phillw> wxl: once handed back to me, as it was his final answer after I asked him to re-think over the festive period - I'm now in borg mode :)
[19:35] <phillw> hiyas redwolf
[19:35] <redwolf> o/
[19:35] <phillw> wxl: I do actually have someone in mind, who is not a padawan, but happens to know one....
[19:36] <wxl> phillw: when you decide to speak less elusively, i'll be happy to help you explore the subject XD
[19:37] <redwolf> O.O
[19:37] <phillw> wxl: I need to test the ground out tentavely before asking for a commit.
[19:37] <wxl> phillw: let me know how i can help XD
[19:39] <phillw> I'll assmililate one from some where, I like doing that they learn the basics quickly and then get to understand that wiki work is actually critical to a team and not a "go and make the coffee" statement to an intern.
[19:39] <wxl> +1 phillw
[19:40] <phillw> wxl: and I know you will back that statement up 100% :)
[19:40] <wxl> phillw: you know me well XD
[19:41] <phillw> lubuntu could not exist without devs, testers, art team, doc team. Take any of those 4 away... you're dead.
[19:42] <wxl> phillw: that's a message i emphasize everywhere. especially when dealing with membership applicants
[19:43] <phillw> redwolf: I NEED your interview... I want to launch LP more fully.
[19:43] <wxl> !offtopic ! phillw XD
[19:44] <redwolf> O.O!
[19:44] <phillw> redwolf: I've had a quick chat with wxl about the approach that was made to me.
[19:45] <phillw> wxl: assmililating drones for any team is never off-topic. without them, the team dies.
[19:45] <wxl> phillw: i was referring to the LP comment
[19:46] <phillw> wxl: LP is a feeder account for assimilation, how else do we train the drones up to a standard that they become useful to the collective?
[19:47] <wxl> phillw: well, you're right about that. it's not exclusive to lubuntu/ubuntu, though. but i was just kidding anyways, so don't sweat it
[19:47] <redwolf> º___º
[19:47] <redwolf> I'm a bit lost