[06:05] <hikiko> hi
[07:58] <ioanm> hi guys, 1 question I have noticed a bug in unity 7 in ubuntu 14.04 lts whenever i launch an app in the recent list, the icon disappears from the unity search window while the app(if I press super i can see the icon disappear) and reappears short after app closes
[07:59] <ioanm> may I be assigned to fix it?
[08:02] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:02] <ioanm> seb128, hi
[08:02] <seb128> ioanm, hey, I think what you describe is a feature and not a bug
[08:03] <seb128> why would you want to start something already open?
[08:04] <ioanm> seb128, you might wanna open two firefox instances
[08:04] <ioanm> seb128, or 2 terminals
[08:04] <pitti> hey seb128, bonjour !
[08:04] <seb128> ioanm, you can use the launcher icon for that
[08:05] <happyaron> hey seb128, :)
[08:05] <seb128> if something is open you have an icon in the launcher
[08:05] <ioanm> seb128, so it's a feature
[08:05] <seb128> hey pitti happyaron
[08:05] <seb128> ioanm, would need to check with Trevinho to be sure but I think it's on purpose yes
[08:05] <ioanm> seb128, being a dev seems unlike someone would delete an icon by mistake
[08:05] <ioanm> from memory
[08:05] <ioanm> *unlikely
[08:08] <ioanm> seb128, okay please ask him
[08:08] <seb128> ioanm, well you can as well, he's on this channel
[08:09] <seb128> though he might be travelling back from fosdem tonight
[08:10] <seb128> tonight->today
[08:15] <larsu> good morning!
[08:16] <ioanm> larsu, gm too
[08:16] <ioanm> can someone please assign to me something to work on?
[08:20] <Laney> heeeeeeeeeeeeeey
[08:21] <larsu> Laney: heeyyy!
[08:21] <pitti> good morning Laney and larsu!
[08:22] <ioanm> i'll just sync cmd2
[08:28] <larsu> hi pitti! Did you have a good trip home?
[08:28] <larsu> (are you home?)
[08:30] <pitti> larsu: yes, I am; it was nice and calm in first class :)
[08:30] <pitti> got to bed around 1:30
[08:30] <pitti> larsu: how about you?
[08:31] <larsu> nice!
[08:31] <larsu> we're great! Sitting in a fancy meeting room for a sprint of 3 :)
[08:33] <Laney> related link: http://162.213.34.169/html/xenial/main/issues/index.html
[08:48] <seb128> hey again there
[08:49] <larsu> seb128:!
[08:49] <Laney> seeeeeeeeeeeb
[08:49] <larsu> good moning
[08:49] <larsu> when do you come down?
[08:49] <seb128> lol, good one
[08:49] <seb128> I said I might do it, but likely not
[08:49] <seb128> my laptop is giving ata kernel error
[08:49] <seb128> ecryptfs-mount segfaults in libnss3
[08:50] <seb128> trying to get back to my user dir and datas
[08:50] <seb128> that's annoying
[08:50] <seb128> that's not a good start of week :-/
[08:50] <seb128> Laney, larsu, how is the hackfest going?
[08:50] <larsu> seb128: :( Good luck!
[08:51] <seb128> thanks
[08:51] <larsu> seb128: just teasing you ;)
[08:51] <seb128> I know :-)
[08:51] <seb128> I wonder if the laptop or the disk is at issue
[08:51] <larsu> seb128: we're in a fancy room that is too big. Otherwise we just started out
[08:51] <seb128> or the kernel
[08:51] <larsu> ze kernel!
[08:51] <seb128> did Matthias join you guys?
[08:54] <larsu> seb128: he's not here yet
[08:55] <seb128> k
[08:57] <willcooke> morning all
[08:59] <larsu> willcooke: morning! thanks for the fancy room ;)
[08:59] <seb128> hey willcooke
[08:59] <willcooke> larsu, ah, good.  I just pinged Laney about that.  All ok?
[09:00] <larsu> willcooke: I know you did :P (we read irc aloud)
[09:00] <larsu> willcooke: yep, it's great. Tea water not hot enough, but I think we'll be able to cope
[09:01] <willcooke> ha!
[09:11] <alexarnaud> hello all!
[09:11] <alexarnaud> Do you have a good week-end ?
[09:14] <alexarnaud> .
[09:16] <seb128> hey alexarnaud, yes w.e was good... how was yours?
[09:24] <andyrock> good morning
[09:26] <seb128> hey andyrock, how are you?
[09:26] <andyrock> seb128: not bad thanks
[09:27] <andyrock> what about you?
[09:28] <seb128> I'm good thanks
[09:28] <seb128> though fighting with disk/laptop issues
[09:30] <willcooke> morning alexarnaud andyrock
[09:30] <alexarnaud> seb128: very good week-end, thank you
[09:30] <alexarnaud> hey willcooke andyrock :)!
[09:48] <seb128> hum, might be a kernel issue, boot with the previous kernel was fine
[09:48] <willcooke> uh oh
[09:48] <seb128> if I boot the current one I get ata errors and libnss3.so gets corrupted on boot which makes ecryptfs-mount segfault
[09:48] <seb128> which I had "fun" to debug
[09:48] <willcooke> yikes
[09:49] <seb128> if I reinstall libnss3 I can mount it and log in
[09:49] <seb128> but on reboot it gets corrupted again for some reason
[09:49] <seb128> but at least I've a working machine now, after fiddling with debsums and reinstalling for like over an hour
[09:52] <willcooke> :((((
[09:58] <ksamak> didrocks: hoy! back to work?
[09:58] <ksamak> XD
[10:01] <didrocks> hey!
[10:01] <didrocks> :)
[10:05] <seb128> hey didrocks
[10:06] <seb128> didrocks, how is life in marketing?
[10:06] <seb128> having fancy tea served at the office? ;-)
[10:11] <didrocks> hey seb128 :)
[10:11] <didrocks> tsssss ;)
[10:12] <didrocks> still with a cappuccino
[10:13] <seb128> ;-)
[10:13] <seb128> how was fosdem?
[10:13] <seb128> and you trip to London?
[10:13] <seb128> your*
[10:16] <didrocks> fosdem was fun, as usual!
[10:17] <didrocks> trip to London, 30 minutes late (stopped at Calais for a long time)
[10:17] <didrocks> but otherwise, good
[10:18] <seb128> great
[11:02] <alexarnaud> didrocks: do you change of job ? Do you wear sun glasses ?
[11:03] <ogra_> suits and ties
[11:09] <didrocks> and drinking champaign the whole time!
[11:09] <ogra_> !
[11:11] <willcooke> http://i.imgur.com/58TsPOP.gif
[11:12] <ogra_> +1
[11:12] <ogra_> :)
[11:13] <alexarnaud> seb128: Where can I find the latest branch of the gnome-settings-daemon package ?
[11:13] <alexarnaud> seb128: I start to search at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon but I don't find the branch related to Xenial
[11:14] <davmor2> alexarnaud: https://media.giphy.com/media/4c5OF9pxc9pao/giphy.gif
[11:14] <davmor2> willcooke: this is always the response if someone asks if you wear sunglasses ;) ^
[11:15] <willcooke> :D
[11:16] <alexarnaud> darkxst: sorry I'm0 visual impaired, I don't understand the fun of the image
[11:18] <darkxst> alexarnaud, https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-settings-daemon/ubuntu
[11:18] <darkxst> alexarnaud, what image?
[11:19] <davmor2> alexarnaud: It's 106 miles to Chicago, we have a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark............ and we are wearing sunglasses (Quote from blues brothers)
[11:20] <darkxst> alexarnaud, in general packaging branches are listed under vcs-bzr tag in the packages debian/control if they exist
[11:26] <alexarnaud> darkxst: thanks
[13:59] <qengho> When your logrotate is still running at 9AM, there's something wrong.  //  -rw-r----- 1 syslog adm 517G Jan 24 10:37 /var/log/kern.log.1
[13:59] <qengho> Good morning!
[14:01] <willcooke> hey qengho
[14:02] <seb128> hello qengho
[14:02] <seb128> kernel fun it seems!
[14:02] <seb128> or is that some third party driver you use or something?
[14:02] <qengho> Oh, nouveau, Thanks for 58 thousand syslog messages per second (alternating, a,b,a,b,a,b so there is no de-duplication).
[14:08] <qengho> Oh man, that's only 14 minutes of syslog.
[15:24] <qengho> willcooke: did you find the Tube entrance?
[15:24] <willcooke> qengho, yes!  I'll post some pics
[15:25] <qengho> Sweet.
[15:41] <willcooke> qengho, https://goo.gl/photos/uhNahNAMGZUt8gSr6
[15:41] <willcooke> desktoppers, pics from Friday ^^
[15:42] <seb128> willcooke, did they turn it into a museum or something or was it a special day?
[15:42] <willcooke> they use it for training and film sets.  When it's not being used they run tours round
[15:43] <seb128> cool
[17:22] <Laney> larsu: http://162.213.34.169/scratch/html/xenial/main/index.html
[17:31] <larsu> when does free willcooke come about?
[17:31] <larsu> Laney is asking
[17:31] <willcooke> eh?
[17:32] <larsu> he *might* have meant free will instead
[17:32] <larsu> *maybe*
[17:35] <seb128> manager trolling!
[17:35] <seb128> though I've to say I didn't understand the trolling :-/
[17:36] <Laney> probably only makes sense in this one room
[17:36] <seb128> what I though :p
[17:40] <larsu> seb128: never would we troll anyone!
[17:41] <seb128> jjjja
[17:41] <alexarnaud> didrocks: are you available to discuss packaging of session-migration ?
[17:41] <seb128> alexarnaud, you better just ask your question on the channel, didrocks is travelling for a sprint this week
[17:41] <alexarnaud> OK seb128
[17:42] <alexarnaud> I'm trying to compile session-migration on Debian Sid
[17:46] <alexarnaud> I've a path issue
[17:46] <alexarnaud> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14850930/
[17:48] <alexarnaud> I'm trying to change the install file with debian/tmp/ at the begining of each lines without result.
[17:48] <alexarnaud> With "debian/tmp/" at the begining of each lines I obtain a "permission denied" even if I'm in root
[17:49] <alexarnaud> maybe something I don't know in the diffrence between Debian and Ubuntu
[17:54] <seb128> alexarnaud, do you have that debian/session-migration.install file?
[17:54] <seb128> can you share your source directory?
[17:55] <alexarnaud> seb128: yes, I have
[17:56] <alexarnaud> I use the upstream Ubuntu file
[17:56] <alexarnaud> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14851008/
[17:57] <seb128> can you do "ls -R debian/tmp"
[17:57] <alexarnaud> seb128: I've modified the install file like that
[17:57] <seb128> in the builddir when you get the issue
[17:57] <seb128> why did you modify them?
[17:57] <seb128> it uses debian/compat 9
[17:58] <seb128> so usr/... is correct
[17:58] <alexarnaud> seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14851023/
[17:58] <seb128> what's the issue if you try to build the unmodified source?
[17:59] <alexarnaud> The issue is that : /home/test/session-migration/session-migration/debian/session-migration.install: 1: /home/test/session-migration/session-migration/debian/session-migration.install: usr/bin/session-migration: not found
[18:00] <alexarnaud> I don't know what it doesn't find the file
[18:00] <alexarnaud> seb128: it this log (http://paste.ubuntu.com/14850930/) you can find the all log
[18:01] <alexarnaud> I've read it but I don't know the issue.
[18:02] <seb128> alexarnaud, try to "dh_install -v --fail-missing"
[18:02] <seb128> and see what it says
[18:02] <alexarnaud> seb128: OK
[18:02] <seb128> and see if e.g debian/tmp/usr/bin/session-migration is available
[18:07] <alexarnaud> For me it's the same log
[18:07] <alexarnaud> seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14851107/
[18:17] <didrocks> seb128: thanks for the patch hint! I'm building n-m and will check tonight :)
[18:31] <seb128> didrocks, yw, thanks for testing!
[18:31] <seb128> alexarnaud, weird, dunno what's going on, try starting dh_install manually and see if the files it lists are on disk
[18:34] <Laney> larsu is having a sad time with python
[18:34] <seb128> :-(
[18:34] <didrocks> but but, python is great!
[18:34] <seb128> didrocks is at the wrong sprint
[18:34] <didrocks> :p
[18:34] <seb128> he should be Brussel!
[18:35] <seb128> +in
[18:35] <Laney> come back
[18:35] <Laney> it's only 2 hours
[18:36] <didrocks> ahah
[18:38] <Laney> we haz clouds
[18:41] <alexarnaud> hum
[18:41] <alexarnaud> ls -l debian/tmp/usr/bin/
[18:41] <alexarnaud> total 36
[18:41] <alexarnaud> -rwxr-xr-x 1 test test 35080 Feb  1 19:07 session-migration
[18:41] <alexarnaud> (sorry for the paste)
[18:42] <alexarnaud> the files are available in debian/tmp/
[20:18] <willcooke> morning robert_ancell
[20:18] <willcooke> *pounce*
[20:18] <robert_ancell> willcooke, hi
[20:18] <robert_ancell> I was ready for it :)
[20:19] <willcooke> :)
[20:19] <Laney> we are l8 nite sprinting
[20:19] <willcooke> attente, seb128 - if you guys are around, can you be free in say, 20 mins?
[20:19] <willcooke> oh hi Laney
[20:19] <willcooke> Laney, you might want in on this too, if you're free in 20 mins ^
[20:20] <attente> sure
[20:20] <Laney> possiblé
[20:20] <willcooke> he's buggered off
[20:20] <willcooke> so he has, he's scarped
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[20:21] <willcooke> oki, I've just got a quick 1:1 with Robert and then we'll hangout and talk GS
[20:30] <seb128> willcooke, k
[20:30] <seb128> hey robert_ancell
[20:30] <robert_ancell> seb128, hi
[20:53] <willcooke> Laney, attente, seb128 - https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/robert-will?authuser=0
[20:56] <Laney> I have requested to join
[21:10] <willcooke> thank you all
[21:11] <willcooke> Laney, Laney seb128, attente robert_ancell ^
[21:11] <seb128> robert_ancell, are fwupd/fwupdate pieces we need to land it? or are they to enable extra features which we could do with a following upload?
[21:11] <seb128> willcooke, yw!
[21:11] <robert_ancell> seb128, I have MIRs for all the components for GS 3.18. Haven't looked yet at any more work required to backport from master
[21:11] <Laney> meet ximion
[21:12] <seb128> hey ximion
[21:12] <seb128> robert_ancell, yeah, but https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fwupdate/+bug/1508926 seems like the security team might need time to do another review and had issues, so they might still have some concerns
[21:12] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1508926 in fwupdate (Ubuntu) "[MIR] fwupdate" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[21:12] <ximion> robert_ancell: hi! I heard you have pinned down the remove-doesnt-work issue in gnome-software?
[21:13] <robert_ancell> ximion, no, I think willcooke was mixing up with another issue there
[21:13] <seb128> robert_ancell, one of the comment is "needs pesign from universe"
[21:13] <Laney> what's the packagekit problem then?
[21:13] <seb128> and that doesn't seem like it has a MIR yet?
[21:14] <ximion> robert_ancell: damn - hughsie and I looked at it and found no issue on the PackageKit side, although hughsie still thinks the aptcc backend might be to blame. I placed a bet on a g-s bug now :P
[21:14] <ximion> maybe I will look at this issue again next
[21:14] <ximion> it also affects Debian and is really annoying
[21:14] <Laney> it's broken in debian too
[21:14] <Laney> :)
[21:14] <robert_ancell> ximion, I will have a look too and see if I can see anything
[21:14] <Laney> or :(
[21:15] <seb128> robert_ancell, said differently, I foresee that the fwupdate MIR ack is going to take some time, are we blocked by it or is a way to build without it so we can land gnome-software even if it doesn't have those options working (yet)
[21:15] <robert_ancell> seb128, We can patch out the fwupd stuff since it's all new if necessary
[21:15] <seb128> k, good
[21:15] <Laney> it's a configure check
[21:15] <robert_ancell> even easier
[21:15] <seb128> even better
[21:16] <robert_ancell> seb128, G-S is pretty modular so it's not hard to disable/enable various features.
[21:16] <ximion> robert_ancell: that'd be great - we know so far that aptcc emits all the expected signals g-s needs, pkcon works flawlessly, this issue does not affect KDE Discover or Elementary's Appcenter, and GNOME-Software is internally really unhappy about an application changing its state from installed to available without going through the required uninstallation step
[21:16] <seb128> robert_ancell, cool, that might be needed
[21:16] <robert_ancell> ximion, is there a bug open somewhere?
[21:18] <Laney> Dell people want fwupd by the way ;-)
[21:18] <robert_ancell> Everyone wants fwupd
[21:18] <Laney> people with £££ are more equal than others :P
[21:18] <ximion> robert_ancell: on Debian, yes: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=804094
[21:18] <ubot5`> Debian bug 804094 in gnome-software "gnome-software: Fails to remove applications" [Normal,Open]
[21:19] <seb128> yeah, I'm rjust ready to bet that the review is not going to be done by ff
[21:19] <seb128> and would rather not block the landing on it
[21:19] <seb128> we can have a ffe
[21:20] <Laney> makes sense
[21:21] <ximion> robert_ancell: are you planning on shipping Xenial with g-s 3.20? We have a lot of changes in there which you definitely want in the LTS, and maybe hughsie can be convinced to not depend on the ost recent GTK+...
[21:22] <robert_ancell> ximion, currently just looking at 3.18 + backporting what is necessary
[21:22] <robert_ancell> but I guess we'd be open to 3.20 if there's no side effects
[21:23] <Laney> it still requires gtk 3.18 only
[21:23] <Laney> Files to download: 257695 MiB
[21:23] <Laney> debmirror is go!
[21:23] <robert_ancell> \o/
[21:23] <Laney> also http://appstream.ubuntu.com/
[21:23] <Laney> cool page right
[21:24] <robert_ancell> Laney, a work of art
[21:24] <attente> nice
[21:25] <seb128> Laney, I wouldn't bet on that to stay
[21:25] <pitti> shiny!
[21:25] <seb128> but I guess the gtk 3.20 requirement could be reverted
[21:25] <seb128> if they bump it
[21:26] <seb128> which most GNOME is doing because of the css work...
[21:26] <pitti> really, that logo looks so crowbared in -- is that really our default apache?
[21:26] <Laney> someone could just talk to him...
[21:26] <ximion> robert_ancell: I fixed a lot of fwupd and Limba related crashes in 3.20, if you use 3.18 I should probably backport them to that version
[21:26] <Laney> pitti: yeah, horrible right
[21:27] <ximion> robert_ancell: if someone's working on Snappy support, 3.20 would be almost essential - hughsie added a lot of convenient stuff for 3rd-party package installers to g-s
[21:27] <seb128> ximion, do you know if 3.20 is likely to pick a depends on gtk 3.20 during the cycle or is it going to work on GNOME/GTK 3.18?
[21:28]  * ximion asks hughsie
[21:29] <seb128> I guess it might be easier to take 3.20 and revert the gtk changes if there is any, rather than backporting all what we need to 3.18
[21:29] <seb128> well depending if they pick newer depends on other parts of the stack we don't have...
[21:31] <robert_ancell> 3.20 will make my patches easier to propose upstream
[21:31] <Laney> robert_ancell is already working with hughsie, so could mention that we might want to do this
[21:32] <Laney> when thinking about bumping deps
[21:32] <Laney> maybe :)
[21:33] <robert_ancell> ximion, is Debian going to have the new appstream required for g-s 3.20?
[21:35] <ximion> robert_ancell: yes, I will add it when I'm back from Brussels
[21:35] <robert_ancell> ximion, ok, cool
[21:37] <ximion> hughsie just merged a patch we definitely want for g-s ;-) - and the current Git master also contains some important fixes
[21:37] <ximion> (like one preventing it to load any data at all, in some situations)
[21:37] <ximion> so we'll definitely have an even newer version soon (or the patches backported in Debian too)
[21:39] <robert_ancell> ximion, so looking I think the only reason I went with 3.18 is it was released and appstream wasn't new enough to work with it. The changes look fine for us to use in Xenial.
[21:44] <Laney> |o/
[21:44] <Laney> \o|
[21:51] <ximion> robert_ancell: awesome! No reply from Richard on the GTK+ dependency of g-s yet, but there just was a commit a few hours ago making g-s work well with GTK+3.18
[21:51] <ximion> so there's a good chance :)
[21:52] <robert_ancell> ximion, I don't think there's much he'd change this close to release
[21:56] <ximion> right
[22:06] <willcooke> right, calling it a night.  Thanks to everyone working late
[22:06] <pitti> bonne nuit tout le monde !
[22:07] <seb128> night
[22:07] <willcooke> au revoir