[00:19] <diddledan> quiet in here today
[04:09] <mapps> hhi all
[04:10] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[05:58] <knightwise> morning minsky
[06:00] <zmoylan-pi> be careful out there, not only is it monday it's also storm henry
[06:04] <knightwise> good morning zmoylan-pi
[06:04] <knightwise> .weather
[06:04] <knightwise> ah , that bot is not awake aparently
[06:04] <knightwise> Yahoo! Weather - Tongeren, BE: Mostly  Cloudy, 10?C (50?F), Humidity: 94%, Fresh  breeze 8.9m/s (->)
[06:07] <zmoylan-pi> [Dublin, DUB, Ireland] Condition: Mostly Cloudy/Windy | Temp: 11C/52F/284K/511R | Humidity: 88% | Wind Speed 26mph/42kmph
[06:19] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:19] <knightwise> hey MooDoo
[06:30] <knightwise> Bleurgh
[06:30] <knightwise> have to do some legal stuff today
[06:32] <MooDoo> knightwise: doesn't sound too good, unless you're completing on something like buying a house?
[06:35] <knightwise> nah , cancelling a contract with a client
[06:35] <knightwise> always tread lightly on these issues
[06:35] <knightwise> so i have some phonecalls to make and things to look up
[06:35] <knightwise> one of those cases where you "have to be caerfull what you write in a email"
[06:36] <zmoylan-pi> you touched our computer once and now our printer doesn't work...
[06:54] <knightwise> lol
[06:55] <MooDoo> ah those
[06:58] <zmoylan-pi> my personal best was 7 years earlier installing a printer cable (parallel) and that was why the computer no longer booted 7 years later...
[07:24] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: factastic !
[07:25] <knightwise> Nah, i'm a consultant for a large project. Client hired me as an IT architect, expected to get a senior Project manager.
[07:25] <knightwise> So the road was bumpy the first month (Also the end-client we are working on is not very mature IT-wise and we had a shitty high level design to work with) ..
[07:26] <knightwise> result : My client starts complaining about my fee and stuff
[07:26] <knightwise> so .. better to end it right there
[07:26]  * knightwise cant say more , channel is logged and indexable
[08:13] <popey> morning
[08:14] <MooDoo> morning popey
[08:25] <sara> hey anyone around?
[08:28] <MooDoo> only us chickens :)
[09:06] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:32] <czajkows1i> aloha
[09:33] <zmoylan-pi> all recovered from fosdem?
[09:34] <czajkows1i> heading home today
[09:35]  * zmoylan-pi looks at weather forecast... seems legit... :-P
[09:42] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Monday, and happy Freedom Day! 😃
[09:42] <zmoylan-pi> freedom day... on a monday... is this irony day? :-P
[09:47] <foobarry> donkey kong country returns on the wii is quite a hard game
[09:47] <foobarry> i've arrived at the final boss now though. have to get some practice in so i can show my son that i can beat it next week
[09:48] <foobarry> at the designated wii playing time
[09:49] <zmoylan-pi> last game i got stuck in was medal of honour on the pc. storming the beach took me a week to get past.  mostly unlike when i was a teenager i was only playing an hour or two casually a day versus 6+ hours at a time
[09:51] <foobarry> thats the best bit of the gane
[09:52] <zmoylan-pi> i eventually made it to cliff with about 11% health left and continued on...
[09:53] <foobarry> reminds me of a care free time of my life. just bought my first house, could play ps2 all day long on weekends
[09:53] <zmoylan-pi> i did enjoy the game but when i went to replay it i didn't enjoy it as much as it was very... linear...
[09:57] <\sv> I need to create a backup partition
[09:58] <\sv> one which i can install a bootable image of ubuntu on
[09:59] <zmoylan-pi> a spare usb drive not available?
[09:59] <\sv> no
[10:03] <\sv> i have a sata drive but it isnt free
[10:05] <\sv> i think cus my sys is unstable a usb drave is safer possibly
[10:05] <zmoylan-pi> i was thinking more a thumb drive. just that if anything happened to the primary drive it would work independent of it...
[10:06] <\sv> im going to pop out and buy one; what size woud i need these days? used to be 1gb
[10:07] <zmoylan-pi> i usually use 4gb as a minimum.  not sure when was the last time i saw a 1gb for sale...
[10:09] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:10] <zmoylan-pi> last time was a proper thumbdrive... :-) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4wMYIZIUAE-NG9.jpg
[10:10] <\sv> brobostigon, http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/3589573.htm holy.... oh wow
[10:11] <zmoylan-pi> i had one of those... so easy to lose...
[10:21] <davmor2> JamesTait: now I know you are making this shit up
[10:26] <JamesTait> davmor2, Freedom Day should be an easy one! 😃
[10:27] <davmor2> JamesTait: Ok where did I see baked alaska day then
[10:28] <JamesTait> davmor2, just trying to keep you on your toes. 😉
[10:29] <davmor2> ah that's where fair enough
[10:31] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlY90lG_Fuw
[10:31] <JamesTait> davmor2, tell sparkiegeek about that one. 😉
[11:23] <foobarry> who was using sphinx ? was it diplo ?
[11:28] <davmor2> foobarry: is that the text thingy?
[11:29] <davmor2> foobarry: or the server search engine
[11:30] <foobarry> docs site
[11:30] <foobarry> i made a sexy site in markdown
[11:30] <foobarry> not that sort of sexy
[11:30] <foobarry> ok its just a text heavy website
[11:30] <DJones> Yikes, A man's been arrested after reports of someone walking round with an axe in Pemberton, Wigan. He's being questioned on suspicion of affray.....round the corner from pur office
[11:30] <foobarry> i used mkdocs instead
[11:30] <awilkins> Grrrah, what an age we live in
[11:30] <foobarry> DJones: axe guitar
[11:30] <awilkins> Just had to do a turn-it-off-and-on-again on my *monitor*
[11:30] <davmor2> foobarry: Myrtti maybe
[11:31] <awilkins> Got it's firmware knickers in a knot, presumably
[11:31] <Myrtti> tha wha
[11:31] <DJones> foobarry: Somehow, I don't think so
[11:31] <awilkins> Wasn't reporting itself to the OS properly
[11:31] <davmor2> Myrtti: is it you that uses sphinx?
[11:31] <DJones> Probably turn out to be a lumberjack or off duty fireman
[11:31] <Myrtti> no, I'm LaTeX all the way, baby
[11:32] <davmor2> Myrtti: ah I new it was something to do with text layouts that made them pretty
[11:32] <davmor2> knew even
[11:33] <foobarry> i decided to use mkdocs instead of sphinx because markdown > RST
[11:33] <foobarry> but i think sphinx supports md now
[11:39] <davmor2> foobarry: no idea
[12:15] <diplo> foobarry: yup I use sphinx
[12:17] <diplo> There are converters for Markdown, I've never looked...
[12:43] <awilkins> Pandoc
[12:43] <awilkins> Is the thing you get when you look for such a thing
[12:44] <awilkins> I have to say, I agree with the sentiment of an article I saw that asserted that Markdown isn't all that
[12:44] <awilkins> Mostly because the various implementations vary so much
[12:44] <awilkins> And of course, because the original spec of Markdown is ambiguous
[12:45] <awilkins> I'm usually quite happy with Textile as implemented by Redmine, but of course, Markdown gets all the attention / editor support / tooling
[12:45] <moreati> Text in Unity on Ubuntu 15.10 seems a lot smaller today? Did something change, or am I imagining it?
[12:46] <awilkins> A "standard" with a need for a tool to compare the output of 20 different implementations isn't very standard, is it.... http://johnmacfarlane.net/babelmark2/faq.html
[12:47] <zmoylan-pi> see web rendering engines... :-)
[12:47] <moreati> and SQL, regex, libc, ...
[12:48] <zmoylan-pi> and programming languages...
[12:48] <davmor2> moreati: imagining it the font is the same as 14.04 in 16.04 there is an update.  Maybe you need new glasses ;)
[12:49] <zmoylan-pi> or are sitting further away... :-)
[12:49] <moreati> davmor2: yeah, probably pebcak
[12:50] <davmor2> moreati: if it's a fresh install you might of upped the size of the font on some things and then in the fresh install they got reverted so seem smaller maybe?
[12:51] <moreati> not a fresh install, just 15.10 with apt upgrade run some time in the last few days
[12:51] <davmor2> moreati: not sure then
[13:03] <zmoylan-pi> i seem to vaguely aware of an update resetting the font settings. as someone with woeful eyesight it was very annoying.
[13:27] <foobarry> my son says he uses "infant scratch" at school
[13:28] <foobarry> i wonder if he means http://www.scratchjr.org/
[13:38] <diddledan> yawn
[13:38] <diddledan> morning all
[13:38] <diddledan> foobarry: no he means he gets itchy :-p
[14:38] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[14:38] <bigcalm> Who likes crontab fun?
[14:38] <bigcalm> I have a job that runs every minute to check if a process is running and restart it if it isn't.
[14:38] <bigcalm> It works from the CLI, but it doesn't from crontab
[14:38] <awilkins> My number 1 crontab mistake - assuming that the crontab runs with your user environment set
[14:38] <awilkins> Including PATH
[14:39] <bigcalm> Looking at the mail output from crontab, it's returning a number rather than fully processing the command
[14:40] <diddledan> show us the code
[14:40] <diddledan> :-p
[14:40] <diddledan> show me the money! :-D
[14:40] <bigcalm> The command (for testing) is: ps aux | grep -c 'apache[2]' || service apache2 start
[14:41] <diddledan> yup, || will turn it into a boolean
[14:41] <diddledan> so the result will be true if service apache2 start succeds
[14:42] <diddledan> that's why your crontab mail thinks it's returning a number
[14:42] <bigcalm> This counts the number of rows returned by the grep. If it's 0 (false) then the service command is run
[14:42] <bigcalm> Works from the CLI. But from crontab, the email shows: 1
[14:42] <bigcalm> And doesn't run the service command
[14:43] <diddledan> yup, did you actually check whether apache gets started?
[14:43] <diddledan> aah
[14:43] <diddledan> try wrapping it: bash -c "your code"
[14:44] <bigcalm> !ping
[14:44] <lubotu3`> pong!
[14:44] <diddledan> !ding
[14:44] <lubotu3`> dong
[14:50] <shauno> bigcalm: I'd remove the -c .. it won't fix anything, but I think it'll make it more obvious what's going wrong
[14:53] <shauno> (I suspect that '1' is grep -c telling you there's one match.  and I suspect it's in cron's commandline.  || isn't testing the number grep returns, it's testing whether its exitcode is non-zero)
[14:57] <shauno> if oyu remove -c, instead of just telling you there's 1 match, the email will contain the line grep found in ps-aux, which should give you a better idea why it's never finding no matches
[14:57] <diddledan> never not finding nohow
[14:58] <shauno> well that's what grep || otherwise does.  if grep finds nothing, it returns non-zero so 'otherwise' runs.  but the number it's printing to stdout isn't the exitcode
[15:00] <diddledan> gotchabob
[15:00]  * diddledan mutters something about himself being a mormon
[15:00] <diddledan> :-p
[15:01] <m0nkey_> Yes, yes you are a mormon.
[15:01] <diddledan> \o/ m0nkey_
[15:01] <m0nkey_> Hopefully not bankrupt.
[15:44] <awilkins> DAMMIT what is with Firefox ATM ; it just keeps locking up
[15:44] <diddledan> wfm
[15:48] <pwaring> Can't remember the last time I used Firefox
[15:48] <pwaring> Chromium seems a lot faster
[15:51] <davmor2> awilkins: are you trying to use it?
[15:51] <diddledan> davmor2: that sounds like a bad idea
[15:52] <davmor2> diddledan: well I'm guessing that could be the start of the issues ;)
[15:52] <diddledan> aye
[15:52] <diddledan> so someone is trying to rewrite WordPress as a nodejs app: http://wordexpress.io
[15:53] <davmor2> awilkins: did you make use of the features that were removed in the latest versions like group tabs for example as things like that will crash if it is in the config maybe
[15:53] <awilkins> davmor2, No, never used any fancy config
[15:54] <awilkins> It just gets to the point where it doesn't refresh the display - you can flip between tabs and the title changes, but it doesn't even redraw the new tab levels
[16:30] <m0nkey_> I'd hate to be the guy that had to change a hard drive in one of these: http://natick.research.microsoft.com/
[16:48] <diddledan> dang
[17:23] <awilkins> m0nkey_, I imagine you just build a lot of redundancy into them
[17:38] <bigcalm> !ping
[17:38] <lubotu3`> pong!
[17:39] <bigcalm> I wrote all of this out between 14:36 and 14:42. I guess my connection to the server wasn't real
[17:40] <bigcalm> I'm having to read http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/02/01/%23ubuntu-uk.html to see that people actually spoke to me
[17:41] <bigcalm> I ended up putting my command into its own file and calling that from crontab. Works now
[17:43] <bigcalm> Reading the log in the above link and watching it play out here is kind of weird
[19:16] <diddledan> this has popped-up on hackernews: https://drewdevault.com/2015/11/01/Please-stop-using-slack.html
[19:21] <directhex> diddledan: what a terrible post.
[19:24] <diddledan> heh
[19:24] <directhex> if you don't understand the fundamental issue with why people are using slack over irc, then you can't offer useful advice on the topic
[19:24] <directhex> having run IT at a company, having been the monkey in charge of those decisions, IRC is not fit for purpose if your collaborators include anyone who isn't an extreme nerd
[19:24] <directhex> where "extreme nerd" means "someone who can SSH to a server & run a process on it long term"
[19:25] <directhex> which is a *huge* barrier to entry
[19:45]  * zmoylan-pi reports directhex to daily mail as evil hacker wearing hoodie at night in front of screen...
[19:48] <zmoylan-pi> probably even owns a balaclave... :-P
[20:00] <awilkins> 2 reasons why I am looking to stick rocket.chat (OSS Slack) in our network
[20:00] <awilkins> 1) the non-nerd factor
[20:01] <awilkins> 2) Persistent chats
[20:01] <awilkins> Number 2) is the killer
[20:01] <awilkins> IRC - go away, come back, you missed a load of stuff
[20:01] <zmoylan-pi> non nerds... ewwwwww.... :-)
[20:01] <awilkins> Slack - you come back, you catch up on what you missed by flick-reading it
[20:02] <zmoylan-pi> i just log into my rasp pi and press page up...
[20:02] <awilkins> Add that to 3) Put your own Rocket.Chat server up and it's HIPAA compliant
[20:02] <awilkins> Or Sarbanes/Oxley or whatever
[20:03] <awilkins> It's actually corporate policy that we're forbidden to use IM that they don't control
[20:03] <zmoylan-pi> i'll run the rasp pi inside the solar desk calculator on the md's desk? :-D
[20:04] <awilkins> Saw a Casio FX83 casing that someone put a Pi inside
[20:04] <awilkins> Probably even easier with a Pi Zero
[20:04] <zmoylan-pi> the pi zero fits almost anywhere
[20:05] <awilkins> Shame all the connectors aren't at one end
[20:05] <awilkins> Then you could make a T-800 style casing for it and a slot to put it in
[20:05] <zmoylan-pi> it is a little but you can work around that
[20:29] <foobarry> copy.com are shutting down their dropbox copy
[20:29] <foobarry> they offered 50gb
[20:30] <zmoylan-pi> i get by with dropbox's free 2gb or whatever it is these days
[20:30] <foobarry> need to dig out my glacier settings again
[20:30] <foobarry> what about photos and personal stuff?
[20:31] <foobarry> the other alternative is an encrypted disk stored at work under lock and key
[20:31] <zmoylan-pi> i tweet the photos and the personal stuff goes no where near the cloud
[20:31] <zmoylan-pi> apart from personal encryption notes that would be unreadable to anyone
[21:14] <crypface> uk ?
[21:15] <crypface> ooh england
[21:15] <crypface> aka islamabad
[21:15] <crypface> no thanks
[21:49] <diddledan> erm
[21:49] <diddledan> huh?
[21:55] <brobostigon> is there a way. for example with something like nano, and have the file be encrypted end to end, with my openpgp card.
[22:03] <diddledan> brobostigon: I don't know the exact answer but theoretically it is possible by passing your file contents to php via STDIO
[22:03] <diddledan> pgp**
[22:03] <diddledan> gpg**
[22:04] <brobostigon> that was similer to what i was thinking of as well, thats good thinking.
[22:04] <brobostigon> as well.
[22:05]  * brobostigon wants to create an appropriate will.file on a fairly secure usb drive, for his fiance, is the time requires it.
[22:06] <brobostigon> if*
[22:06] <diddledan> e.g. echo moo | gpg -se -a -r some@recipient.example.com
[22:08] <brobostigon> a simpler solution would probably be a text file signed with my key, to prove it is me who created and edited it? rather than full encrption, yes, much simpler.
[22:11] <diddledan> the advantage of not encrypting is that anyone may read it. the disadvantage is anyone may read it :-p
[22:12] <zmoylan-pi> or use a system that looks like normal text but with other text distributed inside it
[22:12] <diddledan> if you encrypt it for recipient-X then you're reliant on that user retaining their key
[22:22] <popey> brobostigon, with vim, yes, easily
[22:22] <popey> brobostigon, i have a gpg encrypted file on my laptop. I open it with vim which decrypts it, and when I save, it automatically re-encrypts it
[22:23] <popey> a simple vim plugin which does it
[22:23] <brobostigon> popey: ah interesting,
[22:23] <popey> http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=3645
[22:28] <brobostigon> thank you popey :)