=== vrruiz_ is now known as rvr === MotiDaku is now known as Sheeda_ [04:40] anyone got a wacom tablet to install properly? [04:40] I get mine to install (ubuntu 15.10 with unity) but it stops working after a reboot [04:40] any clues where to start? [04:41] there is a error reported dialog after reboot but I'm not sure which error log to start in [04:41] I followed the instructions on the linux wacom project site [04:50] I also see that the syslog is getting flooded with control queue full messages for wacom [06:13] Hi [06:16] Morning hikiko [06:48] Hi duflu :-) [07:30] good morning, desktop! [07:30] hikiko, duflu: hi! [07:35] hi desrt :) [07:35] are you in EU or jet lagged? [07:35] EU [07:35] :D [07:35] * desrt gives the matrix a workout [07:35] brussels? [07:35] köln [07:36] 2nd home :) [07:36] germany? [07:36] ya. NRW. [07:36] :D [07:37] desrt: Morgen [07:57] desrt, hey [07:58] desrt, could take a look at these patches? https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761337 [07:58] Gnome bug 761337 in introspection "Fix some annotations" [Normal,New] [08:32] hey seb128 [08:41] yo [08:45] Trevinho, andyrock could you review this branch (if you are here): https://code.launchpad.net/~hikiko/unity/unity.shadows-on-existing-pixmaps/+merge/284068 ? [08:50] hey happyaron Laney hikiko [08:51] good morning desktopers [08:51] hey seb128 happyaron Laney desktopers [08:53] what's up [08:56] hey seb128 Laney hikiko [08:56] hey darkxst [08:57] is there some reason that the valac package ended up back in universe? [08:57] (just that binary package only) [08:57] Laney, getting something to eat, I wish I was at the hotel with you guys now, their buffet is quite nice ;-) [08:57] seb128: I'll post you some cheese if you want [08:57] darkxst, likely because nothing was depending it/pulling it in main [08:57] Laney, :-) [08:58] Laney, did you guys work all night?! [08:58] seb128, build-deps don't count there? [08:58] they do [08:59] yeah, it's showing on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.html [08:59] [Reverse-Build-Depends: d-conf (MAIN)] [08:59] maybe that was not the case when it got demoted? [09:00] or an error when the new source got newed [09:00] seb128: until like 12:30 or 1 [09:00] then we went for falafel [09:01] seb128, there are more than just d-conf, g-c-c and u-c-c for example [09:01] well, dunno then, as Laney said, maybe when it was NEWed if it comes from a different source [09:02] does it matter much how it ended up being in universe? [09:02] no, just needs to be promoted again [09:02] it feels like arguing for the sake of arguing [09:02] yeah, it's on component mismatch, it's going to be promoted [09:02] let me look at that in a minute [09:03] ok, thanks [09:03] morning / evening [09:03] Hey folks. :) [09:03] hey TheMuso!! [09:03] How goes? [09:04] hey willcooke [09:04] Not too bad thanks. :) [09:04] hey willcooke [09:04] evening TheMuso [09:04] http://162.213.34.169/html/xenial/main/index.html [09:05] nice drop in warnings ;-) [09:05] Laney, nice! [09:05] http://162.213.34.169/html/xenial/main/issues/index.html & some work for us to do [09:05] hey willcooke [09:05] wie gehts? [09:06] Laney, what time did you guys get done last night? [09:06] Not too much later I hope [09:06] I guess like 12.30 [09:07] oh boy, well thank you [09:07] willcooke: you say last night like you think he went to bed ;) [09:07] :) [09:07] tbh, they probably didnt [09:08] they just had a small pause for falafel apparently [09:08] seb128, doing some house keeping.. if I remove didrocks from the desktop team that will probably break things for him won't it? [09:08] they went straight back to business [09:08] dedication right there [09:08] oh, and it's review time as well [09:08] willcooke, no, it shouldn't [09:08] ;) [09:08] he's going to stop receiving your weekly meeting reminders [09:08] seb128, oki, I'll remove him then ( :(( ) [09:08] but that should be it [09:09] diiiddrroocccks [09:09] you are going to be missed in the team! [09:09] he's coredev so he's still going to have access to our vcs-es etc [09:09] pssch, he's not even online. Slack. [09:09] those marketing people... [09:09] I'm sure they had a nice dinner with after meal drinks [09:09] good morning! [09:10] HAHA! It's funny because its true. [09:10] hey larsu :-) [09:10] morning larsu [09:10] willcooke, :-) [09:10] hi willcooke [09:17] Hello all! [09:19] good morning everyone! (forgot to say earlier, *tsk*) [09:19] hi pitti! [09:20] hey pittiiii [09:21] hi Laney! [09:21] c'est comme printemps ! [09:21] it's rainy here === pesari_ is now known as pesari [09:21] * pitti looks at a sunny garden with hundreds of crocusses and thousands of snowdrops.. [09:22] was ist hier los? [09:22] pitti: nice! [09:22] larsu: simple -- this isn't Belgium any more :) [09:22] haha [09:22] good point [09:23] hey alexarnaud pitti [09:24] hey seb128 pitti larsu [09:25] bonjour alexarnaud et seb128, comment allez-vous ? [09:25] pitti, ça va bien ! et toi ? [09:25] pitti: fort bien et toi ? [09:26] argh, compose key broken [09:26] a bit tired, I just keep going to bed late as we have another virtual sprint this week [09:28] hey pitti larsu [09:28] hi happyaron [09:28] * larsu and Laney are searching for icons [09:28] ARGH [09:28] seb128!!!! [09:28] seb128: would you mind approving open-gram in trusty queue when you got some time? (for SRU) [09:29] seb128: we know what you did in summer of 2010 [09:29] AND WE DON'T LIKE IT [09:29] * happyaron is curious about what was done [09:31] larsu, whatever that is you simply don't understand young padawan! [09:32] is that icon theme related? ;-) [09:32] Laney tells me this is a star wars reference [09:32] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/51121591/gnome-icon-theme_2.30.3-1ubuntu1_2.30.3-1ubuntu2.diff.gz [09:32] THIS [09:32] IS NOT ACCEPTABLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE [09:32] lol [09:32] seb128: yes. We wondered why everyone has nice font viewer icons from adwaita [09:32] except for us [09:33] that's bs [09:33] g-i-t is in universe [09:33] the change lives on [09:33] it's not even installed on my machine [09:33] in adwaita [09:33] that I don't claim responsability for ;-) [09:34] * larsu hugs seb128 [09:34] it's going to be okay [09:34] * seb128 hugs larsu back [09:34] good icons coming your way [09:34] 2016 is our year [09:34] e're having a blast here becasue of that change [09:34] that rm removes emblems emotes and status [09:34] why are apps having their icons on those folders? [09:34] hahahahaha [09:34] and not in apps? [09:34] stop trying to wriggle out! [09:34] :p [09:34] it got expanded later on to remove all 256 [09:35] there's no escaping the blame for this [09:35] that also I deny responsability for :p [09:35] it's because he has a low res screen and x86 [09:35] doesn't need big icons [09:35] go fight for i386 on devel instead [09:35] it needs you [09:35] I've svg [09:35] why would I need 256 pixmaps [09:35] ? [09:36] software center wants them [09:36] does it? [09:36] and the icon is blurry in my dash [09:36] or you mean gnome-software? ;-) [09:36] yes, it wants 64 and (optionally) 25 [09:36] iz GTK bog [09:36] *256 [09:36] ah [09:36] 64 is what is missing then :-) [09:36] seb128: gnome-software implements the app stream spec which mandates it [09:36] seb128: well, no. [09:36] yeah for another crappy spec! [09:38] making people have better icons is good [09:38] same for descriptions and screenshots [09:38] forcing people to have a stack of big bitmaps on their disk is not especially good [09:38] you can have good svg icons [09:39] it should be the choice of the appdev to provide a bitmap or a svg as their convinience [09:39] yeah I think we should only ship 8x8 then [09:39] don [09:39] don't have that much disk space [09:39] it's expensive these days [09:39] * seb128 slaps larsu [09:39] :P [09:39] dude [09:39] also, think of all the bandwidth! [09:39] don't tell me that a svg can't look good at 256x256 [09:39] you don't have an svg for the font viewer [09:39] well, you could [09:39] you have a symbolic icon svg [09:40] yes [09:40] it' stupid that spec forbid you to use a svg if you would prefer so [09:40] or rather that it forces you to provide a 256 pixmap [09:40] oh well [09:40] seb128: it doesn't. You can have svg if you want [09:40] it's just that adwaita chooses not to [09:40] yeah, but it mandates to have a pixmap as well [09:40] according to what you said before [09:41] o [09:41] no [09:41] you need to have something which is at least 64 [09:41] if that's a scaled svg that is ok [09:41] k [09:41] all good then :-) [09:41] :) [09:43] larsu, and I know that disk space is not an issue for most people, but you add 15M there and there and end up having a [09:43] 3G iso instead of a 1G one [09:43] and it has a cost, even if you find that being funny ;-) [09:44] more mirror, bandwith, datas to copy (= slower install) [09:45] not saying we shouldn't add those icons back [09:45] but the change was not that crazy [09:48] yeah fair enough [09:48] sorry for the argument :-) [09:49] is that change also going to fix my sound panel having a low res icon? ;-) [09:49] it does? [09:49] no, this change is for adwaita [09:49] k [09:49] yes [09:49] if you open u-c-c -> sound and alt-tab you should see that the icon is low res [09:49] we noticed it when running the app stream generator for which I fixed the icon loading last night [09:49] k [09:49] * Trevinho forgot to say hi... [09:49] hey Trevinho! had a good fosdem & trip back? [09:49] Trevinho: you get another chance tomorrow [09:50] Finally St home though [09:50] * pitti hugs seb128 for trying to fight back against cruft and fat a bit [09:50] seb128: you're right [09:50] * seb128 hugs pitti back [09:50] ugh, ugly [09:50] we already have an 1.5 GB image, this just grows unbounded [09:50] even though we didn't really add anything significant on the desktop in several cycles -- in xenial we even disabled some stuff [09:50] seb128: yes thanks, all good... I'm sorry I didn't say you but on Friday :-( [09:51] pitti: do we install adwaita-icon-theme bu default? [09:51] Task: ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-usb, kubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-full, edubuntu-desktop, edubuntu-usb, xubuntu-core, xubuntu-desktop, mythbuntu-frontend, mythbuntu-frontend, mythbuntu-desktop, mythbuntu-backend-slave, mythbuntu-backend-slave, mythbuntu-backend-master, mythbuntu-backend-master, lubuntu-core, ubuntustudio-desktop, ubuntustudio-desktop-core, ubuntu-gnome-desktop, ubuntu-sdk-libs, [09:51] I'd be fine if theme authors only include svg at those sizes [09:51] ubuntukylin-desktop, ubuntu-mate-core [09:51] larsu: yes [09:51] hm, k [09:51] maybe we should ask them to fix it [09:51] but I'm not fine with blurry icons [09:51] why would svg be blurry? [09:51] and apparently seb128 isn't either ;) [09:52] isn't the whole point of svg to always look good at any scale? [09:52] Trevinho, no worry, we see each other again in not so long [09:52] ;-) [09:52] pitti: sorry, that came out wrong. They don't install svg right now, but 256x256 pngs. Out "fix" is to just drop those, which makes icons blurry [09:52] pitti: real fix: make them include svg for those sizes [09:52] ack [09:53] I wonder if they didn't have .svg back then when we did the change [09:53] s/out/our, of course [09:53] or maybe nautilus should just stop having icons a quarter the size of my screen again [09:53] seb128: dunno. Source has been svg for a long time, but back then rendering times might have been unacceptable [09:54] pitti: haha, this is about gnome-software, the dash, alt-tab, etc [09:54] pitti, yeah, we plan on reverting nautilus for the LTS [09:54] REVERT ALL ZE THINGS [09:54] but different issue [09:54] :-/ [09:54] hm, it would be great if we could only ship the svgs, and they would then be rendered and cached for your DPI/chosen icon size [09:56] we can't do that for smaller sizes, as they're sometimes tweaked [09:57] larsu, Laney, the icon is provided by the server? if that's an Ubuntu server we should probably run the collector using our theme rather than adwaita no? [10:00] seb128: of course. Humanity doesn't include preferences-desktop-font and we fall back to Adwaita [10:00] this is how we noticed [10:01] k [10:16] seb128: I don't understand exactly why but if I restart from scratch everything compile [10:16] alexarnaud, why wouldn't it compile? [10:17] seb128: I don't know exactly, maybe something wrong in copy from VBox shared folder [10:17] I need to investigate to understand [10:18] I've tried today morning to give you a proper log and everything was good [10:18] The day begins well :)ù! [10:18] :-) [11:35] hi willcooke, did you get the chance to look further at the webbrowser app log to debug why apps weren't starting on the unity 8 session? [11:37] dpm, no sorry, haven't looked [11:37] willcooke, np, just wondering if it had been something obvious === hikiko is now known as hikiko|ln [11:38] dpm, from the log file it looked like a seg fault, so I expect it will be something in Mir that has changed and the apps need to catch up [11:40] willcooke, ack. What's the best project to file the bug against, unity8-desktop-session-mir? [11:40] I think the app which is crashing is better [11:41] it's all of them :) [11:41] anyway, I'll see if I can get a crash report === czajkows1i is now known as czajkowski [11:51] Laney: wie kann das sein? [11:53] didrocks: thanks! [11:53] for helping Laney write that script [12:02] larsu: euh… ok :p === hikiko|ln is now known as hikiko === xnox_ is now known as xnox === alan_g_ is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:19] andyrock, hikiko Trevinho - could you quickly make sure your cards are up to date on the Trello board before we start the meeting? [13:19] sure [13:19] sure [13:20] tghx [13:20] thx [13:25] Reboot :-/ [13:28] meow [13:31] * seb128 gives some milk to Laney [13:32] andyrock, hikiko - https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/unity-7-sprint?authuser=0 [13:34] andyrock, you are laaate ;-) [13:34] :-D [13:34] like always [13:34] * andyrock is joining [13:34] :) [13:36] what's this meeting that we're missing [13:36] ? [13:38] larsu, unity7 trello board review [13:38] larsu, feel free to join if you want [13:39] it's a regular meeting, we just skept over some because of travels [13:40] seb128: nah Laney is making me do work right now :/ [13:40] get Laney to join the unity7 review while you work ;-) [13:41] Laney, btw, do you know if the plan is to remove aptdaemon from the archive when we land policykit 1.0? [13:41] or is that a robert_ancell question [13:42] it makes me a bit nervous [13:48] hikiko: I've double checked... The classes are fine, but just add also "google-chrome-unstable" [13:48] it doesn't work any more with pk 1.0 [13:48] so yes [13:48] k [13:50] let's see how that goes [13:50] it makes me a bit nervous... [13:52] why? [13:53] ok Trevinho will do after the meeting :) [13:54] because we have been using aptdaemon for ever and I'm not confident that there is not some package in the archive, kubuntu, ... which rely on some specific api it's providing or that everything is going to work with packagekit [13:55] ah, right === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:35] Trevinho, https://code.launchpad.net/~hikiko/compiz/compiz.handles-chrome-chromium-windows-in-fullscreen/+merge/282426 [14:36] could you approve it? [14:36] tedg, mterry, do you know what code positions the indicator menus in unity-greeter? [14:36] (the google-chrome-unstable addition) [14:37] seb128: We specify the position in the indicator ini file, is that useful? [14:37] seb128: Or do you need the code itself? [14:38] tedg, no, I mean the popdown menu on screen [14:38] not the indicators order [14:38] tedg, if we enable hi-dpi scaling the menus are opened shifted from the indicators position [14:38] Oh, I see. [14:39] but I can't figure out what set the position [14:39] I thought we were using GTK for that, because it has all that placement code. [14:39] But I haven't looked for a long time. [14:40] it's possible, but then for some reason it doesn't work :-/ [14:40] Yeah, I imagine that GTK has new API for more information that we're not using. [14:40] When they added HiDPI support. [14:41] who is "we" in that case [14:41] I don't find much gtk_menu code in unity-greeter [14:41] and the indicators work in an unity session so I assume they are fine [14:41] I think it's probably libindicator [14:41] or unity is doing something... [14:42] I imagine the greeter never ditched that. [14:42] to replace it with what? [14:43] Oh, oh, larsu's name is on code here. It must be all his fault :-) [14:43] lol [14:43] seb128: I think that the main unity started going directly to the models instead of using the lib. [14:43] Which makes sense. [14:44] * larsu hides under the conference table [14:44] ok, I give up for now [14:44] I just can't find it [14:44] thanks tedg [14:45] We had always said we wanted to deprecate libindicator, it just never really got pushed to the final state. [14:45] well, I doubt it's going to be a priority for this cycle [14:45] but I don't see any code in libindicator that set the x,y for the menu popdown [14:46] seb128: Perhaps that's the issue ;-) [14:46] I think it's the gtk_menu in indicator-ng.c that is being used. [14:47] tedg, thanks [14:47] going for some exercice before our weekly meeting but I'm going to have another look once I'm back [14:48] seb128: enjoy! [14:48] larsu, thanks ;-) [14:49] np, I think the widget actually gets passed up. So it'd have to be the caller that was setting the position. [14:49] that seems complex [14:49] how is it positioned atm? [14:50] I believe there was a gtk function that positions a menu based on another widget. [14:50] looks like whatever does it should know about the scaling factor and take into account to position [14:50] ya, probably that doesn't account for hidpi [14:50] but simply passes pixels [14:50] tedg, gtk_widget_translate_coordinates? [14:51] larsu, "that"? [14:51] I think we were using gtk_menu_popup() [14:51] tedg, no such function in the libindicator source [14:51] seb128: the menu positioning function [14:51] Yes, I think the caller had to call that on the menu passed up from libindicator [14:51] nor in unity-greeter [14:52] it's in unity-panel-service, not libindicator [14:52] Hmm... [14:52] larsu, we are speaking about unity-greeter, does that use ups? [14:52] I don't think it does [14:52] oops [14:52] * larsu is silent and continues fixing bugs for Laney [14:52] menus are well positioned in unity ;-) [14:53] SILENCIO [14:53] k, really need to go if I want to be back for the meeting [14:58] seb128: It looks like in menubar.vala it is creating an IndicatorMenuItem which subclasses Gtk.MenuItem. Then it sets the indicator menu as a submenu of the widget on the panel. So I think it is the GTK code for opening submenus that is positioning the menu. === popey_ is now known as popey [15:25] desktoppers - in a meeting which might over run a little bit [15:25] vote seb! [15:31] ok done [15:31] #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-02-02 [15:31] Meeting started Tue Feb 2 15:31:31 2016 UTC. The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:31] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-02-02 | Current topic: [15:31] Dang! [15:32] Roll call: andyrock, attente, desrt, dgadomski, fjkong (out), happyaron, hikiko, laney (maybe out), larsu (maybe out), qengho, seb128, sweet5hark (out), themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out) [15:32] hello willcooke and fellow teammates! [15:33] \o/ [15:33] looks like it's just us three :) [15:33] hi :) [15:33] 4 [15:33] hi attente. how's toronto? :) [15:33] hi! [15:33] \o [15:33] desrt: you're missing out on the chinatown gang violence [15:33] uh oh [15:33] attente: ya... i saw that. [15:33] toronto is going to hell. i'm staying in köln. [15:34] :D [15:34] hi [15:34] hi didrocks [15:34] Let's get this meeting started then [15:35] Texou, please hold on a little while, while we do a quick meeting [15:35] hi pepito ! [15:35] #topic andyrock === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-02-02 | Current topic: andyrock [15:35] hey [15:35]