[03:27] <ahoneybun> I'm getting this error when trying to reflash Ubuntu Phone:  error pushing: failed to copy '/home/aaron/.cache/ubuntuimages/gpg/image-signing.tar.xz' to '/cache/recovery/': Is a directory
[03:27] <ahoneybun> Nexus 4
[07:44] <V99> hi
[08:57]  * tathhu would love support for last.fm scrobbling @ music-app ;_;
[08:57] <tathhu> DIY :p
[09:03] <mcphail> tathhu: don't think that would be possible, unless the screen was to stay on with the app in focus at all times. (Unless the Music app has background permissions which aren't shared with other apps...)
[09:03] <lotuspsychje> the jamendo app is pretty nice with online radios
[09:07] <tathhu> :(
[09:45] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Tuesday, and happy Hedgehog Day! 😃
[12:10] <mariogrip> mhall119: i'm so sorry, the power went out yesterday, just got it back now... Can we do the meeting today?
[12:26] <k1l> are there some mhl/slimport +usb adapters? i dont have a BT-wirelss mouse and would like to try the n4 dockmode.
[12:29] <tathhu> what's ota9 image number for deb?
[12:48] <jgdx> pitti, hey, for xenial, could debs ship sysv only, or is systemd an requirement? Asking for a friend
[13:32] <pitti> jgdx: sysv is okay of course (loooots of packages do that); sysv init scripts are a first-class citizen still
[13:32] <pitti> jgdx: systemd units are often more effcient and more succinct, have better logging etc., but we don't need to convert the whole world right now :)
[13:35] <jgdx> pitti, great, thank you :)
[13:36] <seb128> pitti, is there any known issue with systemd and systems not rebooting or taking ages to do so?
[13:36] <seb128> that's driving me crazy
[13:36] <seb128> it's 2016 and our init systems are still not able to handle a reboot :/ (it might be the same for shutdown)
[13:36] <pitti> seb128: nothing on my radar; I'm sure that there is still plenty of those cases, but nothing common
[13:37] <seb128> k, my laptop is nothing special
[13:37] <pitti> seb128: probably best if you file a bug for yourself with a shutdown journal, and checking what's hanging in the debug console
[13:37] <seb128> oh, I though we were on -devel
[13:37] <seb128> k
[13:37] <seb128> I get it almost every time
[13:37] <seb128> boot to lightdm
[13:37] <seb128> reboot
[13:37] <seb128> wait for what feels like 10 minutes, sit down on the power button from frustration
[13:37] <pitti> seb128: I think you did the "systemctl list-jobs" in a debug console before, and it's in /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian.gz, but I can walk you through
[13:38] <seb128> pitti, I'm in an hangout atm but I'm going to try later, thanks
[13:38] <pitti> seb128: ugh -- let's investigate that indeed
[13:38] <pitti> seb128: I sometimes notice that this happens if I start user LXC containers in my session; as they start inside the desktop session cgroup but don't get shut down automatically on logout, they cause the 90 s timeout
[13:39] <pitti> seb128: but that's about the only issue I'm aware of
[13:39] <pitti> (This doesn't affect system lxc or  lxd)
[13:39] <seb128> well in my case it does it even if I boot to greeter and reboot without login
[13:39] <seb128> so not likely that
[13:40] <pitti> ok; well, list-jobs will say what it is waiting on
[13:40] <seb128> I tried to switch to a vt but there was not login prompt
[13:40] <seb128> I need to think to boot with the debug shell
[13:40] <pitti> seb128: no, you don't -- sudo systemctl start debug-shell
[13:40] <pitti> then you should have it on VT9
[13:41] <seb128> oh ok, I didn't know that
[13:41] <seb128> last time I looked at the README it was telling to do that on grub cmdline
[13:41] <seb128> pitti, thanks!
[13:41] <pitti> seb128: hm, that must have been some time ago
[13:42] <seb128> pitti, yeah, I debugged things when we transitioned
[13:42] <seb128> I don't think I played with it much since summer
[14:00] <mhall119> mariogrip: I can do a call today at the same time as yesterday if that works for you
[14:09] <mariogrip> mhall119: yeah, that's perfect
[14:11] <mhall119> cool
[14:11] <mhall119> mariogrip: were you able to rebuild your images based on 15.04 and the overlay PPA?
[14:48] <_Sponge> mhall119: Who's doing the Q&A today ?
[14:48] <davmor2> _Sponge: people
[14:48] <_Sponge> really, I thought it was Xenomorphs ;/
[14:50] <tathhu> :D
[14:50] <tathhu> Oh, only devel* is updated for deb :(
[14:51] <_Sponge> dpm, ping.
[14:51] <davmor2> tathhu: what do you mean only devel is updated for deb?
[14:52] <dpm> _Sponge, pong?
[14:52] <tathhu> or maybe i don't know how to flash it
[14:52] <tathhu> davmor2, tried to flash something stable on to my n7 LTE but it was old as hellll :(
[14:52] <_Sponge> dpm, Are you doing the #ubuntuonair today ?
[14:52] <tathhu> maybe it's time to sleep again.
[14:53] <davmor2> tathhu: deb isn't a supported platform
[14:54] <tathhu> ähh
[14:54] <dpm> _Sponge, popey and dholbach are doing it today
[14:55] <tathhu> gotta wait for "real" ubuntu tablet :P
[14:55] <tathhu> or get a flo..
[14:58] <_Sponge> dpm, cheers.
[14:58] <ogra_> tathhu, i heard there is another server that provides rc-proposed deb images (though i forgot the name ... it isnt the "tasemice" one anymore)
[14:58] <ogra_> you really dont want to run devel *anywhere* :)
[14:59] <tathhu> I know :P
[14:59]  * ogra_ forgot who pointed him to the new server during scale ... probably popey or mhall119 
[15:04] <tathhu> ää
[15:04] <tathhu> ... ignore that
[15:11] <mhall119> ogra_: ubports.com?
[15:11] <ogra_> ah, yeah, that one
[15:11] <mhall119> that's mariogrip's
[15:11] <ogra_> right, and i think it has deb imges
[15:12] <mhall119> is deb a device codename?
[15:12] <mhall119> _Sponge: popey and dholbach I believe are doing the Q&A today
[15:12] <ogra_> mhall119, yeah, its the LTE N7
[15:13] <popey> yes
[15:13] <popey> deb is flo + 3g
[15:14] <mhall119> ok
[15:19] <dobey> does ubports have deb images now?
[15:19] <dobey> i don't see any
[15:20] <dobey> it does have manta images though
[15:22] <tathhu> no deb :(
[15:23] <mhall119> yeah, I don't think he's done anything with tablets
[15:26] <popey> i doubt he even has a deb
[15:28] <tathhu> ._.
[15:36] <_Sponge> popey: Think something is wrong here with youtube, if you click it. http://ubuntuonair.com/
[15:36] <popey> it hasn't started yet
[15:36] <popey> it will be fine once it starts, I'm sure
[15:37] <_Sponge> there's usually a count-down. Just sayin'
[15:37] <_Sponge> maybe I'm too early. dunno.
[15:38] <_Sponge> anyway- np.
[15:46] <tathhu> 15mins?
[15:50] <popey> ya
[15:53] <tathhu> ay
[15:58] <jgdx> pmcgowan, hey, do you know who can answer my question in bug 1533835? Or: who's working on indicator location right now?
[15:58] <ubot5`> bug 1533835 in Canonical System Image "Support direct access to the location panel" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1533835
[16:02] <pmcgowan> charles, is that you? ^
[16:19] <jgdx> mterry, hey, could you take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas/hw-kbd/+merge/284755 ?
[16:20] <mterry> jgdx, not immediately, but will take a look
[16:20] <jgdx> mterry, thanks.
[16:54] <abeato_> mhall119, mariogrip I can't do the meeting today
[16:55] <mhall119> abeato_: no worries, we'll send you a summary if there's anything we need from you
[16:55] <abeato_> mhall119, great, thanks
[17:22] <ogra_> sil2100, bug 1500390 actuaqlly breaks some stuff ... (which is why i said i wouldnt call it whishlist ... it adds in-container dirs to PATH that shouldnt be mapped and such)
[17:22] <ubot5`> bug 1500390 in Canonical System Image "Clean /etc/environment" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1500390
[17:37] <sil2100> ogra_: ACK, well, I only added it as 'wishlist' as the original bug was marked as such
[17:38] <sil2100> ogra_: if john-mcaleely decides it's a high-risk bug he'll set the priority accordingly
[17:38] <ogra_> yeah, it was even me who added it initially ... but that was before i saw that there are actual issues :)
[17:39] <john-mcaleely> sil2100, pmcgowan gets to make that call
[17:39] <sil2100> ...or pmcgowan in that case ;)
[17:39] <ogra_> it isnt high-risk but definitely needs attention
[17:39] <john-mcaleely> so many things do
[17:39] <ogra_> (and it is an easy taks, just needs a dev and a QA person to work together for a day to test the removals)
[17:40] <ogra_> i guess at max you need to move one or two vars somewhere else, the rest shoudl be good to be wiped (especially the PATH hackery)
[18:11] <charles> pmcgowan, yes, that would be me on the indicator-location part of bug #1533835, assigning myself
[18:11] <ubot5`> bug 1533835 in indicator-location (Ubuntu) "Support direct access to the location panel" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1533835
[18:11] <pmcgowan> jgdx, ^^
[18:16] <charles> jgdx, currently when 'location settings' is clicked we call url_dispatch_send() with a uri of "settings:///system/security-privacy"
[18:20] <charles> jgdx, is there a uri that can be used to invoke a subpage of a u-s-s plugin, eg the Location page in the security-privacy plugin?
[19:43] <k1l> is every slimport working on the nexus4? or are there some known to not work?
[19:47] <pmcgowan> k1l, many are rather flaky
[19:48] <k1l> hmm
[19:53] <dobey_> k1l: apparently one should be considered lucky to buy a Qi charger that actually works well.
[19:54] <k1l> dobey_: uh? i got a philips one just before the nexus4 sales started for cheap money. that still works
[19:55] <dobey_> k1l: works, and works well are not the same thing :)
[19:56] <k1l> i would seperate qi charging in works == charges and doesnt work== doesnt charge :)
[19:56] <dobey> k1l: i recently bought an angled qi charger stand, and it works, but it causes the screen to come on periodically, and flickers between charging and not charging, and causes excessive heat
[19:57] <k1l> ah ok.
[19:57] <dobey> i've haerd this is not uncommon :(
[19:58] <pmcgowan> k1l, did you mean the port or the third party adapters
[19:58] <pmcgowan> I meant the adapters
[20:00] <popey> oh, i have two terrible qi chargers
[20:00] <k1l> yeah. i am thinking about buying an adapter. and there are ones for 10euro or 30euro
[20:00] <popey> you have to put the phone on them with millimeter accuracy or they don't charge
[20:01] <k1l> qi charging does make some heat. but so does the battery when charged with a strong wallplug
[20:06] <dobey> k1l: some. but it shouldn't make this much
[20:07] <dobey> but i'm pretty sure i know what the main problem is with this charger, so i'll have to see if i can fix it
[20:07] <dobey> would be nice if the stand was more upright too
[22:16] <om26er> where can i find changelog of daily images of ubuntu-touch ?
[22:18] <dobey> om26er: the daily landing mails that sil2100 sends to the ubuntu-phone list
[22:19] <om26er> dobey, thanks, I probably found a more organized place ;) http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/meizu.en/arale/
[22:43] <yam_ez> does it take long for touch to pick up its location? i have location data on