[11:38] <sakrecoer_> looking at this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ubuntu%20Studio%20Upgrade%20from%20Ubuntu maybe we should update it?
[11:39] <cfhowlett> sakrecoer_, there is no shortage of outdated documentation.  addressing that alone would earn you a place in project lead heaven
[11:39] <sakrecoer_> :D
[11:40] <sakrecoer_> long time since i instalked US that way, but i remember ut being fairly simple with synaptic..
[11:43] <sakrecoer_> zequence: the ubuntustudio controls are ment to facilitate that installation process, right?
[11:46] <sakrecoer_> i'll digg into it this week. :) also, good day y'all!
[11:46] <sakrecoer_> (or night maybe:)
[11:47] <cfhowlett> sakrecoer_, take a peek at the wall paper the kylin team sent in
[11:49] <sakrecoer_> hmm the flickr page hides half the photos on my phone... is it the one with the spacerocket?
[11:50] <cfhowlett> nope.  fireball studio
[11:50] <sakrecoer_> (my phone is old)
[11:50] <cfhowlett> So I see
[11:50] <cfhowlett> :0
[11:50] <sakrecoer_> ok.. that one must be in the hidden column, i'll check it later :)
[12:32] <zequence> sakrecoer_: That page used to be maintained by ttoine, who is the guy who handles the webshop
[12:33] <zequence> It's a bit extensive, and IMO, it could be replaced by something a lot simpler
[12:33] <zequence> ubuntustudio-controls is for setting up the system. There's also a package called ubuntustudio-installer
[12:34] <zequence> By setting up the system, I mean administering realtime privilege, and such. Right now, that is all it does - administers realtime privilege
[12:40] <zequence> Here's the feature definition page for it https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/FeatureDefinitions/UbuntuStudioControls
[12:41] <zequence> I've played around with jack and PA control in the past (must be two years ago now, that I did that)
[12:41] <zequence> But, that won't happen this year, at least not by me
[12:52] <knome> re: the font discussion, we're looking what we want to use with xubuntu; i'll inform you what we decide to do when i know more
[12:53] <knome> i'm currently going through the fonts available in the repository
[14:15] <OvenWerks> knome: any problem if Studio just follows xubuntu's lead on that?
[14:15]  * OvenWerks thinks have been anyway.
[14:25] <knome> OvenWerks, no problem at all, that's why i posted it here :)
[14:25] <knome> OvenWerks, i mean, you should probably look what we are doing to make sure you aren't completely disagreeing..
[14:26] <OvenWerks> knome: I would be happy using fvwm, I am not the one to ask...
[14:27] <OvenWerks> knome: there are some who want it touchable too...
[14:27] <OvenWerks> (or at least use with a tablet input device)
[14:28] <knome> i can understand that
[14:33] <OvenWerks> knome: it is not that hard to change panel/menu size. Or to put extra panels around the edge with apps in them.... But not as default I think.
[14:37] <zequence> Yeah, we should do a sync with Xubuntu again before FF, and follow any changes they make before release
[15:01] <sakrecoer_> i'm also voicing in favour of sync with xubuntu :)
[15:15] <sakrecoer_> OvenWerks: fvwm, you mean this right? http://www.fvwm.org 
[15:19] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: Yes, it is the first desktop I used when I actually started having enough memeory to use X back in the late 90s.
[15:20] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: as it was manual setup, I got to know it quite well.
[15:22] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: to be honest though, I don't mis having to hand edit the menu every time I added a new application :P  the standard way slackware got around that was to pre fill the menu if the application was iunstalled or not.
[15:35] <sakrecoer_> OvenWerks: right! somehow i remember you mentioning something called "whisker".. :)
[15:41] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: whisker is the default menu in xubuntu.
[15:41]  * sakrecoer_ is facepalming itself
[15:41] <sakrecoer_> hehe
[15:42] <sakrecoer_> right... reading up now... its not yet implemented in studio, right=
[15:42] <sakrecoer_> ?
[15:43] <sakrecoer_> i'm familiar with it via my parents computer tho.. :) they roll with xubuntu
[15:43] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: I am actually running both in my 14.04 right now. Installed or not, the user can add a normal menu instead (or as well)
[15:45] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: whisker does not do so well with submenus (which we use) and by default does not look at menu file layout commands. It makes our menu look pretty messy in my opinion.
[15:45] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: for my use, I find whisker requires more mouse clicks than the default menu.
[15:46] <sakrecoer_> i guess, if you remember all the app names, it is fine... but then you could also be happy with terminal :)
[15:47] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer_: for a normal desktop with relatively few applications, like browser and writer, whisker is actually quite nice.