| cyphermox | it's been a while | 00:07 |
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| Unit193 | Yeah I hadn't been following that list. :3 | 00:46 |
| Unit193 | fl<tab><tab><tab> Crap... | 00:47 |
| Unit193 | Well new xfdashboard is up. | 00:47 |
| jjfrv8 | ali1234, thanks. Will give #ubuntu-bugs a try. | 01:50 |
| bluesabre | New catfish is up in the PPA as well, https://smdavis.us/2016/01/31/catfish-1-3-4-released-new-ppa/ | 02:37 |
| Unit193 | Fancy. | 02:40 |
| knome | bluesabre, i'll see if i can come up with a few alternatives (ideally from the repositories) | 11:20 |
| bluesabre | knome: cool, let me know as you come up with them so I can try them out :) | 11:21 |
| knome | bluesabre, also booting up the desktop machine, so i'll test the wc webapp next | 11:21 |
| knome | ^ see what i did there, wc, funny | 11:21 |
| bluesabre | barely, nobody refers to them as WCs here in the US anymore | 11:27 |
| bluesabre | ... (jerk) | 11:27 |
| bluesabre | ;D | 11:27 |
| knome | :D | 11:28 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/upgrading-checklist.html#s-3.9.7.0 | 14:13 |
| Unit193 | knome: But, honestly, might as well check into DejaVu. We already use it in a couple places. | 14:37 |
| Unit193 | Terminal, and debian/xubuntu-default-settings.gsettings-override:font-name='DejaVu Sans Mono 10' | 14:38 |
| knome | Unit193, i know we use it in the terminal, but i think the sans version is bland and iir, a bit too wide | 14:47 |
| knome | Unit193, weren't you supposed to be off? :P | 14:47 |
| knome | bluesabre, ochosi: one font you can try is "Tiresias PCfont" (i know, lame name) from "ttf-tiresias"; these fonts are designed for the visually impaired (and yeah i know it is bold by default, but i don't think the look is *too* bad) | 15:39 |
| knome | (the font might need some re-linking to a bold version - it's currently under a different named font, so it isn't catched instantly) | 15:40 |
| knome | ...tbh, maybe this isn't what we are looking for, but this is quite a good alternative even with the bold look | 15:41 |
| knome | another one is "carlito" from fonts-crosextra-carlito (which is supposed to be a "calibri" replacement) | 15:42 |
| knome | it has the line-aligning issue mentioned earlier in the channel though | 15:42 |
| knome | carlito with 10.5 size is pretty nice | 15:43 |
| ochosi | carlito feels slightly unbalanced | 15:55 |
| ochosi | but okayish | 15:56 |
| ochosi | i guess i need to use it for a while to really give feedback | 15:56 |
| ochosi | tiresias is really bold... | 15:57 |
| ochosi | looks ok to me, but meh | 15:57 |
| knome | yeah, but also easy to read | 15:57 |
| knome | i know | 15:57 |
| flocculant | ochosi knome - if we can make a reasonable stab at what we might end up using soonish - I'll change all here and use it all the time and see what happens | 15:57 |
| knome | flocculant, yep, working on it as you can see :) | 15:57 |
| flocculant | yep | 15:57 |
| ochosi | font size 11 makes carlito look a lot better | 15:58 |
| knome | i prefer 10.5, but whatever... | 15:58 |
| ochosi | the rendering is odd with 10.5 | 15:58 |
| flocculant | I'm trying to catch up from web logs and stuff - lost bouncer since Sunday | 15:58 |
| ochosi | i'll go ahead and try carlito 11 | 15:58 |
| ochosi | for a few days | 15:58 |
| knome | ochosi, the 8 symbol is weird | 16:00 |
| ochosi | i'll check it out | 16:05 |
| knome | be weird i mean taller than the rest of the numbers | 16:05 |
| ochosi | yeah | 16:06 |
| ochosi | i noticed | 16:06 |
| ochosi | not sure whether it bothers me enough ;) | 16:06 |
| knome | hah | 16:06 |
| flocculant | 6 is bigger | 16:06 |
| knome | it would also be nice to see the line-alignment correctly | 16:06 |
| knome | flocculant, for some reason, that doesn't bother me as muxh | 16:06 |
| knome | *much too | 16:06 |
| knome | i mean it's just the "tail" | 16:06 |
| flocculant | might be - looks silly to me | 16:07 |
| flocculant | looks a bit forced together in LO calc menu | 16:25 |
| flocculant | ti looks odd here http://i.imgur.com/NTphN30.png | 16:39 |
| knome | that's another symptom of the line-height issue i mentioned before | 17:00 |
| flocculant | right - gave up reading logs | 17:06 |
| knome | but fwiw, that happens with many fonts | 17:07 |
| flocculant | maybe so - doesn't mean that we should accept it :) | 17:08 |
| knome | of course not - it would have to be dealt with | 17:08 |
| flocculant | as replacement ofc :) | 17:08 |
| flocculant | anyway - guess I'll not see anything else that annoys me if the mad numbers and line-height issue is it | 17:15 |
| knome | :) | 17:15 |
| flocculant | going back to what I had | 17:16 |
| knome | is that something else than droid then | 17:16 |
| flocculant | nope | 17:22 |
| flocculant | well - I used to use the ubuntu fonts - but they're all fubar seemingly | 17:22 |
| knome | heh | 17:22 |
| flocculant | forces thin or something instead of light - I forget now :) | 17:23 |
| knome | heh | 17:23 |
| flocculant | just as long as you two remember that just because something looks nice - it might not if you're older/bad eyesight :p | 17:24 |
| knome | of course | 17:26 |
| dkessel | flocculant: what ever happened to the automatic ISO testing thing? Is it done? I am asking you before asking in u-q again... | 18:03 |
| flocculant | dkessel: seems to have died a death | 18:07 |
| flocculant | given up bothering with it now | 18:07 |
| dkessel | OK i'll bug them again :) | 18:08 |
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| bluesabre | flocculant: if its difficult to read, I'll complain | 22:42 |
| bluesabre | eyesight has been going downhill lately :\ | 22:42 |
| knome | :P | 22:42 |
| knome | aren't you always complaining anyway? | 22:42 |
| bluesabre | yes | 22:42 |
| knome | anyway, i think we should just keep with droid.. | 22:42 |
| bluesabre | knome: you spelled gnome wrong | 22:42 |
| knome | but only once! | 22:42 |
| bluesabre | :D | 22:42 |
| bluesabre | so, use the -fallback and carry on? | 22:43 |
| knome | well that's just my opinion | 22:45 |
| knome | the reason why i think that is that we've used droid for a long time | 22:45 |
| knome | and it might be too much of a gamble to switch now for an LTS | 22:45 |
| knome | after LTS, well, maybe.. | 22:45 |
| knome | who knows what kind of changes in direction we might take after LTS anyway | 22:45 |
| knome | (no, not referring to any secret plan/information) | 22:45 |
| bluesabre | right | 22:46 |
| knome | i noticed even a slight change in the font felt huge | 22:46 |
| bluesabre | that's how I feel, kinda a crap time to spring a font deprecation | 22:46 |
| knome | because it affects a LOT of things | 22:46 |
| knome | well, | 22:47 |
| bluesabre | yes it does | 22:47 |
| knome | how is a font deprecated? | 22:47 |
| bluesabre | it gets yanked out of the repos | 22:47 |
| knome | if the package isn't maintained, will the font file explode and delete all your files? | 22:47 |
| knome | but we can add it back... | 22:47 |
| bluesabre | it could | 22:47 |
| bluesabre | fonts are volatile | 22:47 |
| bluesabre | :P | 22:47 |
| knome | then it could do it right now | 22:47 |
| knome | font technology for desktop hasn't gone much forward in the last 25 years | 22:48 |
| knome | TTF still exists and is widely used | 22:48 |
| bluesabre | well, we "can" is difficult, as we aren't archive admins and folks will probably disagree with adding something back to the archive after debian has dropped it | 22:48 |
| knome | so i don't think that's at stake either if we just reupload :P | 22:48 |
| bluesabre | though I think the -fallback package is teh solution to that | 22:48 |
| bluesabre | just tossing it into universe | 22:48 |
| bluesabre | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-February/039159.html | 22:49 |
| bluesabre | - use fonts-droid-fallback (in universe) | 22:50 |
| knome | yes | 22:50 |
| knome | what's the difference of fonts-droid and fonts-droid-fallback? | 22:50 |
| knome | is it the exact same package? | 22:50 |
| bluesabre | dunno | 22:52 |
| knome | would be nice to know | 22:52 |
| knome | and if it's the same package, why on earth change the name?! | 22:52 |
| bluesabre | https://packages.debian.org/sid/fonts-droid-fallback | 22:53 |
| bluesabre | * Add recommendation on fonts-noto-mono. | 22:53 |
| bluesabre | oh, nevermind that last line | 22:53 |
| bluesabre | thats for fonts-android source package | 22:53 |
| knome | but the fallback package is said to recommend noto too. | 22:54 |
| bluesabre | vs https://packages.debian.org/sid/fonts-droid | 22:54 |
| knome | so we will end up installing noto anyway | 22:54 |
| knome | (hooray) | 22:54 |
| bluesabre | we can look into it | 22:55 |
| knome | the name will change then | 22:56 |
| bluesabre | looks like its not landed in ubuntu yet | 22:56 |
| knome | it's no longer "Droid Sans", it will be "Droid Sans Fallback" | 22:56 |
| knome | which seems meh | 22:56 |
| knome | i guess i'll try using noto | 22:57 |
| bluesabre | no way to avoid config migration then | 22:57 |
| knome | tbh, we probably should look into that anyway | 22:57 |
| knome | not for all releases, but LTS->LTS | 22:57 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 22:58 |
| bluesabre | There might be something that handles that already, otherwise I can put something flexible together | 22:58 |
| knome | i would imagine somebody doing something like that | 22:59 |
| knome | noto 10 is HUGE :| | 22:59 |
| knome | noto 9 is okay | 23:00 |
| bluesabre | heading out to get dinner supplies, bbiab | 23:04 |
| bluesabre | baaacj | 23:43 |
| bluesabre | baaack too | 23:43 |
| knome | :) | 23:51 |
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