[00:07] <cyphermox> it's been a while
[00:46] <Unit193> Yeah I hadn't been following that list. :3
[00:47] <Unit193> fl<tab><tab><tab> Crap...
[00:47] <Unit193> Well new xfdashboard is up.
[01:50] <jjfrv8> ali1234, thanks. Will give #ubuntu-bugs a try.
[02:37] <bluesabre> New catfish is up in the PPA as well, https://smdavis.us/2016/01/31/catfish-1-3-4-released-new-ppa/
[02:40] <Unit193> Fancy.
[11:20] <knome> bluesabre, i'll see if i can come up with a few alternatives (ideally from the repositories)
[11:21] <bluesabre> knome: cool, let me know as you come up with them so I can try them out :)
[11:21] <knome> bluesabre, also booting up the desktop machine, so i'll test the wc webapp next
[11:21] <knome> ^ see what i did there, wc, funny
[11:27] <bluesabre> barely, nobody refers to them as WCs here in the US anymore
[11:27] <bluesabre> ... (jerk)
[11:27] <bluesabre> ;D
[11:28] <knome> :D
[14:13] <Unit193> bluesabre: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/upgrading-checklist.html#s-3.9.7.0
[14:37] <Unit193> knome: But, honestly, might as well check into DejaVu.  We already use it in a couple places.
[14:38] <Unit193> Terminal, and debian/xubuntu-default-settings.gsettings-override:font-name='DejaVu Sans Mono 10'
[14:47] <knome> Unit193, i know we use it in the terminal, but i think the sans version is bland and iir, a bit too wide
[14:47] <knome> Unit193, weren't you supposed to be off? :P
[15:39] <knome> bluesabre, ochosi: one font you can try is "Tiresias PCfont" (i know, lame name) from "ttf-tiresias"; these fonts are designed for the visually impaired (and yeah i know it is bold by default, but i don't think the look is *too* bad)
[15:40] <knome> (the font might need some re-linking to a bold version - it's currently under a different named font, so it isn't catched instantly)
[15:41] <knome> ...tbh, maybe this isn't what we are looking for, but this is quite a good alternative even with the bold look
[15:42] <knome> another one is "carlito" from fonts-crosextra-carlito (which is supposed to be a "calibri" replacement)
[15:42] <knome> it has the line-aligning issue mentioned earlier in the channel though
[15:43] <knome> carlito with 10.5 size is pretty nice
[15:55] <ochosi> carlito feels slightly unbalanced
[15:56] <ochosi> but okayish
[15:56] <ochosi> i guess i need to use it for a while to really give feedback
[15:57] <ochosi> tiresias is really bold...
[15:57] <ochosi> looks ok to me, but meh
[15:57] <knome> yeah, but also easy to read
[15:57] <knome> i know
[15:57] <flocculant> ochosi knome - if we can make a reasonable stab at what we might end up using soonish - I'll change all here and use it all the time and see what happens 
[15:57] <knome> flocculant, yep, working on it as you can see :)
[15:57] <flocculant> yep
[15:58] <ochosi> font size 11 makes carlito look a lot better
[15:58] <knome> i prefer 10.5, but whatever...
[15:58] <ochosi> the rendering is odd with 10.5
[15:58] <flocculant> I'm trying to catch up from web logs and stuff - lost bouncer since Sunday
[15:58] <ochosi> i'll go ahead and try carlito 11
[15:58] <ochosi> for a few days
[16:00] <knome> ochosi, the 8 symbol is weird
[16:05] <ochosi> i'll check it out
[16:05] <knome> be weird i mean taller than the rest of the numbers
[16:06] <ochosi> yeah
[16:06] <ochosi> i noticed
[16:06] <ochosi> not sure whether it bothers me enough ;)
[16:06] <knome> hah
[16:06] <flocculant> 6 is bigger 
[16:06] <knome> it would also be nice to see the line-alignment correctly
[16:06] <knome> flocculant, for some reason, that doesn't bother me as muxh
[16:06] <knome> *much too
[16:06] <knome> i mean it's just the "tail"
[16:07] <flocculant> might be - looks silly to me
[16:25] <flocculant> looks a bit forced together in LO calc menu
[16:39] <flocculant> ti looks odd here http://i.imgur.com/NTphN30.png
[17:00] <knome> that's another symptom of the line-height issue i mentioned before
[17:06] <flocculant> right - gave up reading logs
[17:07] <knome> but fwiw, that happens with many fonts
[17:08] <flocculant> maybe so - doesn't mean that we should accept it :)
[17:08] <knome> of course not - it would have to be dealt with
[17:08] <flocculant> as replacement ofc :)
[17:15] <flocculant> anyway - guess I'll not see anything else that annoys me if the mad numbers and line-height issue is it
[17:15] <knome> :)
[17:16] <flocculant> going back to what I had 
[17:16] <knome> is that something else than droid then
[17:22] <flocculant> nope
[17:22] <flocculant> well - I used to use the ubuntu fonts - but they're all fubar seemingly 
[17:22] <knome> heh
[17:23] <flocculant> forces thin or something instead of light - I forget now :)
[17:23] <knome> heh
[17:24] <flocculant> just as long as you two remember that just because something looks nice - it might not if you're older/bad eyesight :p
[17:26] <knome> of course
[18:03] <dkessel> flocculant: what ever happened to the automatic ISO testing thing? Is it done? I am asking you before asking in u-q again...
[18:07] <flocculant> dkessel: seems to have died a death
[18:07] <flocculant> given up bothering with it now
[18:08] <dkessel> OK i'll bug them again :)
[22:42] <bluesabre> flocculant: if its difficult to read, I'll complain
[22:42] <bluesabre> eyesight has been going downhill lately :\
[22:42] <knome> :P
[22:42] <knome> aren't you always complaining anyway?
[22:42] <bluesabre> yes
[22:42] <knome> anyway, i think we should just keep with droid..
[22:42] <bluesabre> knome: you spelled gnome wrong
[22:42] <knome> but only once!
[22:42] <bluesabre> :D
[22:43] <bluesabre> so, use the -fallback and carry on?
[22:45] <knome> well that's just my opinion
[22:45] <knome> the reason why i think that is that we've used droid for a long time
[22:45] <knome> and it might be too much of a gamble to switch now for an LTS
[22:45] <knome> after LTS, well, maybe..
[22:45] <knome> who knows what kind of changes in direction we might take after LTS anyway
[22:45] <knome> (no, not referring to any secret plan/information)
[22:46] <bluesabre> right
[22:46] <knome> i noticed even a slight change in the font felt huge
[22:46] <bluesabre> that's how I feel, kinda a crap time to spring a font deprecation
[22:46] <knome> because it affects a LOT of things
[22:47] <knome> well,
[22:47] <bluesabre> yes it does
[22:47] <knome> how is a font deprecated?
[22:47] <bluesabre> it gets yanked out of the repos
[22:47] <knome> if the package isn't maintained, will the font file explode and delete all your files?
[22:47] <knome> but we can add it back...
[22:47] <bluesabre> it could
[22:47] <bluesabre> fonts are volatile
[22:47] <bluesabre> :P
[22:47] <knome> then it could do it right now
[22:48] <knome> font technology for desktop hasn't gone much forward in the last 25 years
[22:48] <knome> TTF still exists and is widely used
[22:48] <bluesabre> well, we "can" is difficult, as we aren't archive admins and folks will probably disagree with adding something back to the archive after debian has dropped it
[22:48] <knome> so i don't think that's at stake either if we just reupload :P
[22:48] <bluesabre> though I think the -fallback package is teh solution to that
[22:48] <bluesabre> just tossing it into universe
[22:49] <bluesabre> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-February/039159.html 
[22:50] <bluesabre> - use fonts-droid-fallback (in universe)
[22:50] <knome> yes
[22:50] <knome> what's the difference of fonts-droid and fonts-droid-fallback?
[22:50] <knome> is it the exact same package?
[22:52] <bluesabre> dunno
[22:52] <knome> would be nice to know
[22:52] <knome> and if it's the same package, why on earth change the name?!
[22:53] <bluesabre> https://packages.debian.org/sid/fonts-droid-fallback
[22:53] <bluesabre>   * Add recommendation on fonts-noto-mono.
[22:53] <bluesabre> oh, nevermind that last line
[22:53] <bluesabre> thats for fonts-android source package
[22:54] <knome> but the fallback package is said to recommend noto too.
[22:54] <bluesabre> vs https://packages.debian.org/sid/fonts-droid
[22:54] <knome> so we will end up installing noto anyway
[22:54] <knome> (hooray)
[22:55] <bluesabre> we can look into it
[22:56] <knome> the name will change then
[22:56] <bluesabre> looks like its not landed in ubuntu yet
[22:56] <knome> it's no longer "Droid Sans", it will be "Droid Sans Fallback"
[22:56] <knome> which seems meh
[22:57] <knome> i guess i'll try using noto
[22:57] <bluesabre> no way to avoid config migration then
[22:57] <knome> tbh, we probably should look into that anyway
[22:57] <knome> not for all releases, but LTS->LTS
[22:58] <bluesabre> yeah
[22:58] <bluesabre> There might be something that handles that already, otherwise I can put something flexible together
[22:59] <knome> i would imagine somebody doing something like that
[22:59] <knome> noto 10 is HUGE :|
[23:00] <knome> noto 9 is okay
[23:04] <bluesabre> heading out to get dinner supplies, bbiab
[23:43] <bluesabre> baaacj
[23:43] <bluesabre> baaack too
[23:51] <knome> :)