[00:07] it's been a while [00:46] Yeah I hadn't been following that list. :3 [00:47] fl Crap... [00:47] Well new xfdashboard is up. [01:50] ali1234, thanks. Will give #ubuntu-bugs a try. [02:37] New catfish is up in the PPA as well, https://smdavis.us/2016/01/31/catfish-1-3-4-released-new-ppa/ [02:40] Fancy. [11:20] bluesabre, i'll see if i can come up with a few alternatives (ideally from the repositories) [11:21] knome: cool, let me know as you come up with them so I can try them out :) [11:21] bluesabre, also booting up the desktop machine, so i'll test the wc webapp next [11:21] ^ see what i did there, wc, funny [11:27] barely, nobody refers to them as WCs here in the US anymore [11:27] ... (jerk) [11:27] ;D [11:28] :D [14:13] bluesabre: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/upgrading-checklist.html#s-3.9.7.0 [14:37] knome: But, honestly, might as well check into DejaVu. We already use it in a couple places. [14:38] Terminal, and debian/xubuntu-default-settings.gsettings-override:font-name='DejaVu Sans Mono 10' [14:47] Unit193, i know we use it in the terminal, but i think the sans version is bland and iir, a bit too wide [14:47] Unit193, weren't you supposed to be off? :P [15:39] bluesabre, ochosi: one font you can try is "Tiresias PCfont" (i know, lame name) from "ttf-tiresias"; these fonts are designed for the visually impaired (and yeah i know it is bold by default, but i don't think the look is *too* bad) [15:40] (the font might need some re-linking to a bold version - it's currently under a different named font, so it isn't catched instantly) [15:41] ...tbh, maybe this isn't what we are looking for, but this is quite a good alternative even with the bold look [15:42] another one is "carlito" from fonts-crosextra-carlito (which is supposed to be a "calibri" replacement) [15:42] it has the line-aligning issue mentioned earlier in the channel though [15:43] carlito with 10.5 size is pretty nice [15:55] carlito feels slightly unbalanced [15:56] but okayish [15:56] i guess i need to use it for a while to really give feedback [15:57] tiresias is really bold... [15:57] looks ok to me, but meh [15:57] yeah, but also easy to read [15:57] i know [15:57] ochosi knome - if we can make a reasonable stab at what we might end up using soonish - I'll change all here and use it all the time and see what happens [15:57] flocculant, yep, working on it as you can see :) [15:57] yep [15:58] font size 11 makes carlito look a lot better [15:58] i prefer 10.5, but whatever... [15:58] the rendering is odd with 10.5 [15:58] I'm trying to catch up from web logs and stuff - lost bouncer since Sunday [15:58] i'll go ahead and try carlito 11 [15:58] for a few days [16:00] ochosi, the 8 symbol is weird [16:05] i'll check it out [16:05] be weird i mean taller than the rest of the numbers [16:06] yeah [16:06] i noticed [16:06] not sure whether it bothers me enough ;) [16:06] hah [16:06] 6 is bigger [16:06] it would also be nice to see the line-alignment correctly [16:06] flocculant, for some reason, that doesn't bother me as muxh [16:06] *much too [16:06] i mean it's just the "tail" [16:07] might be - looks silly to me [16:25] looks a bit forced together in LO calc menu [16:39] ti looks odd here http://i.imgur.com/NTphN30.png [17:00] that's another symptom of the line-height issue i mentioned before [17:06] right - gave up reading logs [17:07] but fwiw, that happens with many fonts [17:08] maybe so - doesn't mean that we should accept it :) [17:08] of course not - it would have to be dealt with [17:08] as replacement ofc :) [17:15] anyway - guess I'll not see anything else that annoys me if the mad numbers and line-height issue is it [17:15] :) [17:16] going back to what I had [17:16] is that something else than droid then [17:22] nope [17:22] well - I used to use the ubuntu fonts - but they're all fubar seemingly [17:22] heh [17:23] forces thin or something instead of light - I forget now :) [17:23] heh [17:24] just as long as you two remember that just because something looks nice - it might not if you're older/bad eyesight :p [17:26] of course [18:03] flocculant: what ever happened to the automatic ISO testing thing? Is it done? I am asking you before asking in u-q again... [18:07] dkessel: seems to have died a death [18:07] given up bothering with it now [18:08] OK i'll bug them again :) === SwissBot_ is now known as SwissBot === cyphermox_ is now known as cyphermox === slickyma1ter is now known as slickymaster === mhall119_ is now known as mhall119 [22:42] flocculant: if its difficult to read, I'll complain [22:42] eyesight has been going downhill lately :\ [22:42] :P [22:42] aren't you always complaining anyway? [22:42] yes [22:42] anyway, i think we should just keep with droid.. [22:42] knome: you spelled gnome wrong [22:42] but only once! [22:42] :D [22:43] so, use the -fallback and carry on? [22:45] well that's just my opinion [22:45] the reason why i think that is that we've used droid for a long time [22:45] and it might be too much of a gamble to switch now for an LTS [22:45] after LTS, well, maybe.. [22:45] who knows what kind of changes in direction we might take after LTS anyway [22:45] (no, not referring to any secret plan/information) [22:46] right [22:46] i noticed even a slight change in the font felt huge [22:46] that's how I feel, kinda a crap time to spring a font deprecation [22:46] because it affects a LOT of things [22:47] well, [22:47] yes it does [22:47] how is a font deprecated? [22:47] it gets yanked out of the repos [22:47] if the package isn't maintained, will the font file explode and delete all your files? [22:47] but we can add it back... [22:47] it could [22:47] fonts are volatile [22:47] :P [22:47] then it could do it right now [22:48] font technology for desktop hasn't gone much forward in the last 25 years [22:48] TTF still exists and is widely used [22:48] well, we "can" is difficult, as we aren't archive admins and folks will probably disagree with adding something back to the archive after debian has dropped it [22:48] so i don't think that's at stake either if we just reupload :P [22:48] though I think the -fallback package is teh solution to that [22:48] just tossing it into universe [22:49] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-February/039159.html [22:50] - use fonts-droid-fallback (in universe) [22:50] yes [22:50] what's the difference of fonts-droid and fonts-droid-fallback? [22:50] is it the exact same package? [22:52] dunno [22:52] would be nice to know [22:52] and if it's the same package, why on earth change the name?! [22:53] https://packages.debian.org/sid/fonts-droid-fallback [22:53] * Add recommendation on fonts-noto-mono. [22:53] oh, nevermind that last line [22:53] thats for fonts-android source package [22:54] but the fallback package is said to recommend noto too. [22:54] vs https://packages.debian.org/sid/fonts-droid [22:54] so we will end up installing noto anyway [22:54] (hooray) [22:55] we can look into it [22:56] the name will change then [22:56] looks like its not landed in ubuntu yet [22:56] it's no longer "Droid Sans", it will be "Droid Sans Fallback" [22:56] which seems meh [22:57] i guess i'll try using noto [22:57] no way to avoid config migration then [22:57] tbh, we probably should look into that anyway [22:57] not for all releases, but LTS->LTS [22:58] yeah [22:58] There might be something that handles that already, otherwise I can put something flexible together [22:59] i would imagine somebody doing something like that [22:59] noto 10 is HUGE :| [23:00] noto 9 is okay [23:04] heading out to get dinner supplies, bbiab [23:43] baaacj [23:43] baaack too [23:51] :)