[08:08] <bshah> yofel: ping
[08:27] <sitter> yofel, clivejo: the person to talk to is someone or rally anyone from blue systems since you still haven't talked to clemens about taking over the KCI server :P
[08:29] <valorie> sitter, explain to me why there should be neon CI and KCI both? 
[08:30] <valorie> or am I misunderstanding something fundamental
[08:30] <sitter> valorie: neon works on LTS. kubuntu does not.
[08:31] <valorie> ah right, you'll be sticking with one base for two years
[08:31] <valorie> got it
[08:37] <totof-at-work> hi all
[08:37] <totof-at-work> I see that bug 358359 has been fixed .... 
[08:38] <totof-at-work> the fix is integrated in 5.5.4 plasma-discover package ?
[08:39] <valorie> totof-at-work: was it submitted upstream?
[08:39] <totof-at-work> I think ... but I'm not sure of that
[08:40] <totof-at-work> review 126923
[08:41] <totof-at-work> all details on bug page in comment #12
[08:48] <valorie> I can't read Cyrillic or Russian, so.....
[09:38] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:41] <clivejo> sitter: I believe yofel has been trying to get in touch with clemens without success.  Also, currently KCI is building for wily and xenial, is it not possible to work together on this?
[12:12] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:12] <clivejo> hi BluesKaj
[12:13] <BluesKaj> hi clivejo
[12:34] <yofel> sitter, clivejo: contacting clemens was shifted from me to Rick. Haven't heard from him in a while though
[12:39] <acheron88> today upgrading vivid desktop running pinned plasma 4 to wiley plasma 5, then to xenial with latest 5.5.4 in updates-landing ppa
[12:39] <acheron88> should be fun
[12:59] <soee> indeed
[13:09] <acheron88> wily dvd on hand in case it all goes a tad wrong ;)
[13:22] <morphis> yofel: ping
[13:23] <yofel> morphis: hm?
[13:24] <morphis> yofel: you already had time to drop the hybris dependency from kwin in xenial?
[13:24] <yofel> I did in git
[13:24] <yofel> do you need that uploaded?
[13:28] <morphis> yofel: yes
[13:28] <morphis> yofel: we currently have packages pending in proposed which can't be released because of this
[13:28] <yofel> ok, I'll hack an upload together today then
[13:31] <morphis> yofel: awesome! thanks
[13:32] <BluesKaj> can cerrtain apps be pinned to certain activities, so when the activity is chosen particular apps will launch ?
[14:02] <clivejo> yofel: maybe this evening Rick should be there for the podcast
[14:19] <yofel> oh, it's podcast time.
[14:19] <yofel> wasn't the last one yesterday...?
[14:19] <yofel> time flies to fast -.-
[14:19] <clivejo> not get your invite?
[14:19] <clivejo> for the pre-party?
[14:20] <yofel> if it went through my google account then I probably didn't see it
[14:20] <yofel> I never look at that
[14:20] <clivejo> yofel: reckon plasma 5.5.4 is good to go?
[14:20] <clivejo> in backports?
[14:21] <yofel> as I said, I can't do UI tests. The qa that I could do looked ok, so now it's up to you
[14:30] <clivejo> theres been a few people have installed it
[14:30] <clivejo> I dont have a wily system
[14:31] <clivejo> soee seems to have heading heading up the testers
[14:32] <mamarley> All my systems have Xenial, sorry. :(
[14:32] <acheron88> I'm upgrading my main PC to wily as I type
[14:32] <clivejo> anyhow, I have a puncture to fix and a pup who wants to help but makes things take twice a long!
[14:33] <clivejo> chat to you later 
[14:33] <acheron88> was intending to immediately upgrade again to xenial, but can maybe hold for an hr or 2 to try the wily backport?
[14:34] <acheron88> gonna take a while though. 4000+ packages to upgrade!
[16:26] <snele> workaroud for systray bugs is committed https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352055#c66
[16:27] <snele> cherrypic this for xenial/wily? :)
[17:07] <sheytan> heya!
[17:07] <sheytan> So you finally did it and released the 5.5 :D
[17:07] <sheytan> If i upgrade from landing will my computer blow up?
[17:08] <clivejo> of course
[17:08] <clivejo> BOOOMMMM
[17:09] <clivejo> 5.5.4 is in landing if you want to try that :)
[17:10] <sheytan> clivejo: how? It's blown ;/
[18:58] <ovidiu-florin> hello world
[18:58] <ovidiu-florin> raedy for the meeting?
[19:00] <clivejo> hi ovidiu-florin
[19:00] <ovidiu-florin> hello clivejo
[19:03] <allee> ovidiu-florin: Nobody is in the hangout???
[19:03] <ovidiu-florin> me and rick are in the hangout
[19:03] <ovidiu-florin> join here: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/event/cimnsg2bjan40bjgm8d608p9nd0
[19:03] <allee> ah, 2 are there
[19:04] <sgclark> ovidiu-florin: I can't attend this hangout, family matter has come up. Only thing to report is I am still working on debian merges..
[19:04] <ovidiu-florin> sgclark: thank you
[19:05] <ovidiu-florin> valorie: want to join the meeting?
[19:05] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: ^
[19:10] <Rick_Timmis> Hi all.. Any body got anything that want mentioned in Kubuntu Podcast
[19:14] <marco-parillo> Rick_Timmis: Please mention Come here and test!!!
[19:14] <Rick_Timmis> Yep, OK will do
[19:14] <lordievader> Rick_Timmis: Perhaps mention something about Project Neon?
[19:15] <clivejo> allee: what is your problem?
[19:16] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: had to work overtime and just got home, count me out
[19:16] <sgclark> I a out too, family matter came up sorry
[19:16] <yofel> lordievader, Rick_Timmis: it's called KDE Neon, not project neon. (Just to avoid confusion)
[19:19] <lordievader> Ah, I see.
[19:19]  * lordievader updates memory region in his brain
[19:25] <Rick_Timmis> No worries..
[20:14] <ovidiu-florin> #KubuntuPodcast is now live http://youtu.be/CU9wn5df6Jc
[20:58] <soee> woho http://news.softpedia.com/news/google-chrome-is-finally-getting-smooth-scrolling-on-linux-499832.shtml
[21:00] <mamarley> Yeah, the new 49 beta finally supports high-resolution scrolling with Synaptics.  About time...
[21:30] <clivejo> yofel: would you have contact details for Rick_Timmis to contact Blue Systems boss guy clements I think?
[21:31] <yofel> I already sent him the mail address
[21:31] <clivejo> mind sending it again, he says he doesnt have a contact
[21:32] <yofel> uh, let me check where I had that
[21:33] <soee> how was he podcast ?
[21:34] <clivejo> good :)
[21:34] <yofel> sent
[22:01] <clivejo> yofel: Im getting lintian errors for parley changelog, heres what is causing the problem - https://paste.kde.org/pgpqlvejl
[22:02] <clivejo> I left the debian version as a separate entry, whats is the correct way to do this?
[22:02] <yofel> read the lintian tag description. That tells you how to resolve this
[22:03] <clivejo> is does?
[22:03] <clivejo> it
[22:03] <yofel> yes
[22:03] <clivejo> https://lintian.debian.org/tags/latest-debian-changelog-entry-without-new-version.html
[22:03] <clivejo> I must be missing something :/
[22:03] <clivejo> I cant see the resolution :(
[22:04] <yofel> oh, that's not the tag in the changelog
[22:04] <yofel> I was talking about command-in-menu-file-and-desktop-file - which you should NOT add to an ignore rule for
[22:04] <yofel> just fix the issue
[22:05] <yofel> but now that you mention the version, your version is wong
[22:05] <yofel> should be 4:15.12.1-1ubuntu1
[22:05] <clivejo> Im confused
[22:06] <clivejo> the version in wily is parley (4:15.08.2-0ubuntu1)
[22:06] <yofel> yes
[22:06] <clivejo> it wasnt packaged in debian?
[22:07] <yofel> our package was not based on the debian package for THAT version
[22:07] <yofel> lets do something
[22:07] <yofel> please explain to me each component of the version
[22:08] <clivejo> so when I merge, I basing it on debian and need to change the version to -1?
[22:08] <yofel> please explain what each number and character in the version stands for, then you'll understand why -1 is correct
[22:09] <yofel> I'll correct you if you're wrong, but please try yourself first
[22:09] <clivejo> 4: is the epoch, 15.12.1 is the upstream version
[22:10] <clivejo> -0ubuntu1 is the 1st version in the ubuntu archive
[22:10] <yofel> and -0 means?
[22:10] <clivejo> I thought that meant that was a flag 0 means not in debian and 1 means in debian
[22:12] <yofel> no after the - comes the debian version, that is not a flag. the version can be -34ubuntu88 -> 34 uploads to debian, then 88 uploads to ubuntu based on the 34th debian  upload
[22:12] <yofel> otherwise you were correct
[22:12] <yofel> so debian uploaded 4:15.12.1-1, hence we now base our package on that -> 4:15.12.1-1ubuntu1
[22:13] <yofel> -0 means "not uploaded to debian"
[22:13] <yofel> or well, literally "0 uploads to debian of that version"
[22:14] <clivejo> unstable wasnt uploaded to debian?
[22:14] <yofel> unstable is a debian series - what do you mean?
[22:16] <clivejo> so debian released it first
[22:17] <yofel> yes, it was uploaded to experimental
[22:17] <clivejo> whereas previous versions we released it first then debian 
[22:17] <yofel> as the changelog says
[22:17] <yofel> right
[22:17] <clivejo> Maxy uploaded it yesterday
[22:17] <clivejo> ah
[22:17] <clivejo> I see now
[22:17] <clivejo> thanking you :)
[22:23] <clivejo> yofel: purpose is building fine on my machine but not the build box, Im obviously missing a build dependancy but cant figure out which one, any tips/hints?
[22:24] <clivejo> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/236044672/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.purpose_1.0+git20160202.1543+16.04-0_BUILDING.txt.gz
[22:25] <yofel> install file is wrong
[22:26] <yofel> see that huge warning in the cmake output, then the install error
[22:26] <clivejo> yeah, but on my machine it is building those files
[22:27] <yofel> that might mean different build-dep versions between you and the buildd
[22:28] <yofel> that would hint that a dep should be versioned, but isn't
[22:29] <yofel> try to build the package locally in the same env as the buildd
[22:33] <clivejo> my head hurts!
[22:39] <yofel> you can find the archives that were enabled during the build at the top of the log
[22:39] <yofel> search for override-sources-list
[22:40] <valorie> sorry for missing the meeting, I had a doctor checkup this morning
[22:40] <valorie> listening to the podcast now....
[22:40] <clivejo> yofel: now Im getting possible-new-upstream-release-without-new-version in parley?
[22:41] <yofel> probably the same thing?
[22:41] <clivejo> no I changed the changelog
[22:41] <clivejo> 4:15.12.1-1ubuntu1~ubuntu16.04~ppa2
[22:43] <yofel> sounds like a ppa changelog got ADDED to git?
[22:43] <yofel> or the ubuntu1 one isn't UNRELEASED?
[22:43] <clivejo> no, thats the version on qa
[22:43] <yofel> pastebin the changelog please
[22:43] <clivejo> I made the change and uploaded the new one
[22:44] <clivejo> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/parley.git/tree/debian/changelog?h=kubuntu_xenial_archive
[22:45] <yofel> That again says override command-in-menu-file-and-desktop-file
[22:45] <yofel> please don't do that
[22:51] <clivejo> what is a menu file?
[22:51] <yofel> config file for the ancient debian menu system. It was invented before desktop files were a thing
[22:51] <yofel> a while ago the CTTE finally decided that it's obsolete
[22:52] <clivejo> but how do I recognise it?
[22:52] <yofel> the file has a .menu extension
[22:53] <clivejo> cant find anything with .menu extension being built?
[22:53] <yofel> and what's debian/parley.menu?
[22:54] <yofel> that's a DEBIAN thing, not upstream
[22:54] <yofel> if it was upstream I wouldn't mind the override
[22:54] <clivejo> grrrr Im so confused!
[22:55] <yofel> ok, thinking about it, that might not be so obvious...
[22:55] <yofel> the debian menu files are usually added to packages in the packaging and installed by hand in some file
[22:55] <clivejo> why is it still in the master branch ?
[22:55] <clivejo> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/parley.git/tree/debian
[22:55] <yofel> maxyz: you're not removing those? ^
[22:59] <maxyz> yofel: ?
[22:59] <yofel> maxyz: the menu config files
[23:00] <yofel> maxyz: https://lintian.debian.org/tags/command-in-menu-file-and-desktop-file.html
[23:01] <maxyz> yofel: yada, yada
[23:01]  * clivejo brummmm brummmm
[23:01] <yofel> oh well
[23:02] <maxyz> I would appreciate a script for the removal.
[23:03] <yofel> good point..
[23:04] <maxyz> the tricky part art the image conversion snippets in the debian/rules
[23:04] <yofel> for the xpm?
[23:05] <maxyz> yup, removing those, and removing imagemagick from the build-deps
[23:05] <yofel> hmkay, right
[23:06]  * yofel finally sent the mail for the ecm permissions
[23:07] <maxyz> Well, okay no script, plain grep... I'll try to do it tomorrow, unless you beat me to it.
[23:07] <yofel> most likely not, thanks :)
[23:10] <clivejo> yofel: does a change to master branch trigger a KCI build too?
[23:10] <yofel> no
[23:10] <yofel> dci maybe
[23:12] <clivejo> yofel: so what does this mean E: kdenlive: menu-icon-not-in-xpm-format usr/share/pixmaps/kdenlive.png
[23:13] <yofel> icons for the menu items have to be in XPM format, that's a png. Hence most packages have those conversion rules that maxy just mentioned
[23:13] <yofel> just ignore that, as it's obsolete
[23:28] <clivejo> no kidding its unstable
[23:28] <clivejo> tottally crazy
[23:29]  * clivejo waves at valorie
[23:30] <valorie> o/
[23:31] <valorie> listening to the end of the podcast
[23:31] <valorie> another cool one
[23:38] <clivejo> definitely interesting one