| sakrecoer_ | hm... loging in to twitter... it is asking me to verify my identity... so i should guess this email and i have no idea... | 14:44 |
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| sakrecoer_ | never mind, it was just to find a tutorial someone tagged @ubuntustudio in. | 14:46 |
| sakrecoer_ | found that emailadress :) it is in the encrypted password file. | 17:46 |
| sakrecoer_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gimp/+bug/1540759/comments/5 have i got ARandR because i've added some PPA? | 19:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1540759 in gimp (Ubuntu) "Mouse cursor appears in the wrong position in Gimp" [Undecided,New] | 19:28 |
| zequence_ | sakrecoer_: ARandR used to be screen tool when the stock XFCE was not good enough | 19:33 |
| zequence_ | If you've updated your system from an older install, it might still be there | 19:33 |
| sakrecoer_ | fairly certain both my machines are fresh 14.04 installs... | 19:33 |
| sakrecoer_ | zequence_: how can i check? i've seen it displayed in bugrepports "installation media" | 19:36 |
| zequence_ | sakrecoer_: 14.04 still includes it | 22:19 |
| zequence_ | So, that is normal | 22:19 |
| zequence_ | It's in the seeds for 14.04 | 22:20 |
| knome | hey zequence_ | 22:20 |
| zequence_ | knome: Hi | 22:20 |
| knome | landed a few fixes/improvements for the theme today | 22:20 |
| zequence_ | Ok, thanks. I will check it out. | 22:20 |
| OvenWerk1 | sakrecoer_: I have been trying to get rid of ARandR for a while now, but keep on putting the change in too late. I think it is gone now. | 22:24 |
| sakrecoer_ | thanks zequence_ and OvenWerk1 :) | 22:25 |
| zequence_ | knome: So, what are your thoughts about making the theme mobile friendly? | 22:28 |
| zequence_ | Aside from a hamburger menu, autoresizing of images would be nice | 22:28 |
| knome | zequence_, my thoughts are that it's fairly friendly to fairly modern devices | 22:28 |
| knome | autoresizing in what sense? | 22:28 |
| knome | providing a smaller image, or just making sure it fits the screen? | 22:28 |
| zequence_ | Not sure how it is done technically on some sites I have seen, but the image will automatically become smaller if you make the web browser window smaller | 22:29 |
| knome | ok, so is the theme not doing that now? | 22:30 |
| zequence_ | No | 22:30 |
| zequence_ | Check our staging site | 22:30 |
| knome | ok, then i'll take care of that | 22:30 |
| knome | anyway, re: the hamburger menu, a simple one at that is relatively easy, but i'm not sure if a simple menu is good enough | 22:30 |
| zequence_ | Just the fact that it is a popup menu would be good enough for me | 22:31 |
| knome | for you, but would it be enough for the ones using the site with their mobile devices? | 22:32 |
| knome | :) | 22:32 |
| zequence_ | How do you mean? Wouldn't it be made specifically for small screens anyway? | 22:32 |
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| knome | there are good/correct and bad/incorrect ways to work on mobile support | 22:33 |
| knome | and everything in between | 22:33 |
| zequence | Ok | 22:33 |
| knome | now just doing that in a simple way isn't really incorrect, but it's not the best way either | 22:33 |
| knome | for example, check the xubuntu site and how the navigation collapses in a nice way | 22:34 |
| knome | with all the bits for the submenus etc. | 22:34 |
| knome | that's not a trivial menu | 22:34 |
| knome | or at least it takes some time to get it right | 22:34 |
| knome | just doing a menu that opens with a button and shows for example only the root level items is much easier | 22:35 |
| zequence | Ah, right. Submenus | 22:35 |
| knome | but then question remains how submenus are handled for example | 22:35 |
| knome | would they only be visible when you were on a page within that menu structure? | 22:36 |
| zequence | So, copy and paste is not on the table? :P | 22:36 |
| knome | no, unfortunately it isn't that simple | 22:36 |
| knome | or at least it would still require attention and love | 22:36 |
| knome | and the fact that the community theme is made to work with both a specified menu and a fallback menu... | 22:37 |
| knome | (yes, they do have different markup...) | 22:37 |
| knome | (for reasons unknown to me) | 22:37 |
| zequence | Other than the hamburger menu, and the image sizes, I find that the minimal width is a bit too large. It's about twice or more the width compared to the Xubuntu site theme | 22:38 |
| knome | yes, it is | 22:38 |
| knome | that's another aspect of doing the mobile stuff "right" | 22:38 |
| knome | currently, i don't want to make the minimum width smaller because then it would mean the menu would break | 22:38 |
| knome | eg. items overlap the logo or each other, and wrapping to two lines | 22:38 |
| zequence | Ok. Well, I would consider doing some work on this myself, since I have some basic knowledge of all the coding involved, but haven't every even attempted making a WP theme before. Still, if there is some code I could work on, to adapt or whatever, I could give it a try | 22:39 |
| knome | we don't need code | 22:40 |
| knome | we need CSS | 22:40 |
| zequence | It's all CSS? | 22:40 |
| zequence | no javascript? | 22:41 |
| knome | apart from some js event binds, yes | 22:41 |
| knome | but the binds are the smallest problem; they are trivial | 22:41 |
| knome | how i (would) do it is just apply a css class to the menu element from the event | 22:41 |
| knome | then with/in the changed css class, make sure the menu is shown/hidden appropriately | 22:42 |
| zequence | If I have some spare hours (I'm going to work on -controls some days anyway), I could check how you are doing it for the Xubuntu web theme. | 22:42 |
| zequence | It's all here, right? https://code.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website | 22:42 |
| knome | yeah, i can even give you exact pointers... | 22:42 |
| knome | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-website/xubuntu-website/theme/view/head:/xubuntu-fifteen/menu.js | 22:43 |
| knome | that's the JS part | 22:43 |
| knome | the responsive design for the menu (and more) is in style-resp-*.css | 22:44 |
| knome | HTML markup is pretty generic for both the xubuntu site and the community theme | 22:44 |
| zequence | Ok, cool. I'll poke in it. | 22:45 |
| knome | appreciated | 22:45 |
| knome | oh, one thing you probably should be aware of | 22:46 |
| knome | the responsive design is incremental | 22:46 |
| knome | eg. stuff that is in -800 affects all resolutions smaller than that | 22:46 |
| knome | the -450 file is relatively small, because it's inheriting a lot of stuff from the other files | 22:46 |
| knome | somebody might argue that you should go "mobile first" eg. start adding stuff for the larger resolutions incrementally, and i could even agree with them | 22:47 |
| knome | but what's done is done | 22:47 |
| knome | re: images | 22:47 |
| knome | the theme *does* limit them to 100% width already | 22:48 |
| knome | the minimum size is just too big and that's why the image (and the content) is wider than the viewport | 22:48 |
| knome | i just tested this on my own sandbox installation | 22:48 |
| zequence | I would have no opinion on that, since I have no experience in that - yet. I've taught php, html and css, but on a very basic level. CSS I still haven't figured out well enough to fully understand positioning of elements. But, now I can learn some more :) | 22:49 |
| knome | actually, the different subsets of work in the mobile menu are all trivial | 22:49 |
| zequence | That's good to hear :) | 22:49 |
| knome | it's their combination that makes it interesting | 22:49 |
| knome | for example, the positioning is actually "static" | 22:50 |
| knome | eg. the normal behavior | 22:50 |
| knome | just make sure the menu items are stacked on top of each other (which is natural for the markup too) | 22:51 |
| knome | the positioning in the dropdown menu we have on the larger screens is different | 22:51 |
| knome | i could do one really simple thing for now to at least somehow support the small sizes | 22:52 |
| knome | and take care of the main content area tweaks needed | 22:52 |
| zequence | knome: Ok, thanks. I'm going to say nighty nighty for now. Don't think I will do anything for at least one week, and I might wait until after FF. But, I'll be sure to ask your help when that CSS starts making my life sour :) | 22:56 |
| knome | ;) | 22:56 |
| knome | sure | 22:56 |
| knome | good night | 22:56 |
| sakrecoer_ | thanks for the insights knome ! got a few "aha" moments reading up. | 23:22 |
| sakrecoer_ | i'm off as well! read y'all later! | 23:22 |
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