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pitti | Good morning | 07:16 |
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Pharaoh_Atem | rbasak: ping | 07:31 |
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rbasak | Pharaoh_Atem: pong | 07:47 |
Pharaoh_Atem | rbasak: so I'm trying to update the dep8 tests to be "unversioned" | 07:48 |
pitti | utlemming: recent cloud images don't boot any more (i. e. ssh never comes online), apparently they dropped the ifnames=0 but still don't create a matching interfaces? known? | 07:48 |
Pharaoh_Atem | but I'm not sure how to make it so that the files in tests/ are read and rewritten before being used to run tests | 07:48 |
Pharaoh_Atem | rbasak: if you don't remember, this is for php7.0 | 07:49 |
rbasak | Pharaoh_Atem: I'm not sure I follow your question. | 07:54 |
* rbasak looks up the email about this. | 07:54 | |
Pharaoh_Atem | I'm not sure I follow what ondrej is asking me to do, so I'm probably doing a terrible job asking | 07:55 |
rbasak | I don't think what he's asking will work. Let me see if I can understand what he wants. | 07:55 |
Pharaoh_Atem | rbasak: I spent the better part of the week trying to do what he asked | 07:58 |
Pharaoh_Atem | things blow up | 07:58 |
Pharaoh_Atem | a lot | 07:58 |
Pharaoh_Atem | maybe I just suck at Debian packaging :/ | 07:58 |
* Pharaoh_Atem has @_@ status after all of this | 07:59 | |
Pharaoh_Atem | if this worked like how RPM' | 08:00 |
Pharaoh_Atem | how RPM's %check section worked, then sure, I can see this working like he wants | 08:00 |
* mgedmin discovers that when unattended-upgrades causes a reboot, all other cron.daily scripts are skipped that day | 08:00 | |
Pharaoh_Atem | mgedmin: isn't that fun? | 08:00 |
Pharaoh_Atem | I've actually caused people to yell at me about that | 08:01 |
Pharaoh_Atem | because apparently no one expects that | 08:01 |
mgedmin | maybe I should report a bug | 08:01 |
Pharaoh_Atem | rbasak: but RPM's %check section would also not satisfy the kind of tests this pulls off | 08:02 |
Pharaoh_Atem | as what we're really doing is spinning up instances and configuring things and stuff | 08:02 |
Pharaoh_Atem | this stuff is weird, and I'm not sure the tests will work like we want it to in an "unversioned" state | 08:02 |
rbasak | mgedmin: please do! | 08:03 |
rbasak | Pharaoh_Atem: I replied to Ondrej's email. I think it'd be better for the test to dynamically discover the package version using dpkg-parsechangelog, or for the package to provide some shell (not make) infrastructure to extract the right strings. | 08:03 |
Pharaoh_Atem | rbasak: so... does dpkg-parsechangelog have an option to strip the release version from the field? | 08:05 |
Pharaoh_Atem | it doesnt' seem like there is | 08:05 |
Pharaoh_Atem | *doesn't | 08:05 |
ginggs | morning pitti! on update_excuses, suitesparse still lists julia 0.4.2-3, does something need to happen fo this to change to 0.4.3-1build1 ? | 08:06 |
pitti | ginggs: yes, we need to bump the hint | 08:06 |
dholbach | good morning | 08:07 |
* mgedmin files https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unattended-upgrades/+bug/1541730 | 08:07 | |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1541730 in unattended-upgrades (Ubuntu) "all cron.daily scripts are skipped on a day when unattended-upgrades triggers a reboot" [Undecided,New] | 08:07 |
pitti | ginggs: done | 08:07 |
Pharaoh_Atem | rbasak: actually, I'm not exactly sure how to use dpkg-parsechangelog to do this | 08:07 |
Pharaoh_Atem | from looking at the man page, it seems to indicate that it just spews the whole Package header | 08:08 |
rbasak | Pharaoh_Atem: -S maybe? | 08:08 |
Pharaoh_Atem | ah, yes, I see it | 08:08 |
rbasak | Pharaoh_Atem: also probably some cut or awk or sed may be necessary | 08:08 |
Pharaoh_Atem | yeah | 08:08 |
Pharaoh_Atem | I can be reasonably certain that the first dash is the cutoff point | 08:08 |
Pharaoh_Atem | unless there's more package name-version contorting that I don't know about that's allowed? | 08:09 |
rbasak | Technically it's the final dash IIRC, but that won't matter unless upstream happen to use a dash. | 08:09 |
ginggs | pitti: danke | 08:09 |
rbasak | I wouldn't worry about it if it's awkward. | 08:09 |
rbasak | There might be some tooling that I don't know about that might help here. | 08:09 |
* Pharaoh_Atem misses having a separate Version and Release field | 08:10 | |
* Pharaoh_Atem pokes more dpkg manpages | 08:10 | |
Pharaoh_Atem | hmm, doesn't look like the dpkg-dev toolsuite has anything | 08:11 |
mwhudson | Pharaoh_Atem: i find this sort of thing to be least horrible in perl, of all things | 08:12 |
rbasak | Pharaoh_Atem: see /usr/share/dpkg/pkg-info.mk | 08:12 |
rbasak | It has the right shell snippets | 08:12 |
Pharaoh_Atem | you know things are bad when you resort to perl as the least horrible option :/ | 08:13 |
Pharaoh_Atem | rbasak: looks like DEB_VERSION_UPSTREAM is what I want, ne? | 08:14 |
Pharaoh_Atem | rbasak: are these variables available inside the test environment, or should I just copypasta them into the tests? | 08:17 |
rbasak | Pharaoh_Atem: I would copy and paste them. Ugly, but I'm not sure of any better way. | 08:22 |
Pharaoh_Atem | yeah, that's what I think | 08:22 |
rbasak | dpkg-parsechangelog and version strings are very well defined. So as long as the code is correct, it shouldn't ever change under our feet. | 08:22 |
rbasak | Of course having the code in one place is good for bug fixes too. | 08:22 |
rbasak | Though hopefully if it does wrong our tests will fail. | 08:22 |
rbasak | rharper: while I remember, it might be worth checking with bdmurray that phased updates won't be impacted by the network-manager/libnl3 breaks SRU thing. | 08:24 |
rharper | rbasak: yes, thanks! | 08:25 |
rbasak | bdmurray: a newer libnl3 in trusty-proposed breaks network-manager in the release pocket due to a latent bug, for which we have a fix also for network-manager in trusty-proposed. | 08:25 |
rbasak | We will have a newer libnl3 with breaks: network-manager (...) soon. | 08:25 |
rbasak | Users need to not phase libnl3 before network-manager. | 08:25 |
rbasak | Just want to check that the phasing will not be thrown by the breaks. | 08:26 |
Pharaoh_Atem | rbasak: when the tests are running, do they have access to the changelog file that's above the tests/ folder? | 08:31 |
rbasak | Pharaoh_Atem: yes. Tests are defined to have a $PWD of the top of the source tree. | 08:32 |
rbasak | http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/autopkgtest/autopkgtest.git/tree/doc/README.package-tests.rst is the spec | 08:32 |
Pharaoh_Atem | so $PWD/debian/changelog is a valid path in tests? | 08:34 |
pitti | https://people.debian.org/~mpitt/autopkgtest/README.package-tests.html is the formatted variant for nicer reading | 08:43 |
Pharaoh_Atem | hmm | 08:44 |
Pharaoh_Atem | rbasak: oh crap, I just realized, this has to be rewritten into shell script | 08:45 |
Pharaoh_Atem | I don't even know what some of this even DOES | 08:45 |
Pharaoh_Atem | http://fpaste.org/318293/45457554/ | 08:45 |
Pharaoh_Atem | hmm | 08:50 |
Pharaoh_Atem | maybe I can make this work | 08:50 |
Pharaoh_Atem | rbasak: uhoh | 08:54 |
Pharaoh_Atem | I can't update the control file reliably | 08:54 |
Pharaoh_Atem | rbasak: I'm going to take a wild guess and say that control files are not shell scripts, nor can they be rewritten like this | 08:57 |
rbasak | Pharaoh_Atem: ah, right. Yes - the control file will need to be version-agnostic. Is that possible? | 08:58 |
Pharaoh_Atem | not with the way Debian is determined to package this | 08:58 |
Pharaoh_Atem | each and every package name has the PHP version embedded in it | 08:59 |
Pharaoh_Atem | consequently, my deps are versioned in the control file | 08:59 |
Pharaoh_Atem | so... I'm screwed | 08:59 |
Pharaoh_Atem | if it was just the php major version like before, it would be workable | 08:59 |
Pharaoh_Atem | but it's the major plus the minor version now | 08:59 |
Pharaoh_Atem | rbasak: I'm not sure it's even possible to do this | 09:00 |
Pharaoh_Atem | unless the packages all have virtual Provides to major version only, I can't really do this | 09:01 |
Pharaoh_Atem | but if they have that Provides, things get really screwy once there's more than one PHP stack installed | 09:01 |
Pharaoh_Atem | that has the same major version | 09:01 |
Pharaoh_Atem | actually, come to think of it, it would already be quite unpredictable with correctly handling it if neither were installed anyway | 09:02 |
Pharaoh_Atem | rbasak: yeah, I don't know how to make these tests work the way ondrej wants them to | 09:20 |
cpaelzer_ | I'm looking for some advise on packaging debian/*README* files. I have a source package building various binary packages. | 09:31 |
cpaelzer_ | and the Readme covers a lot of cross package things, so it is not really applicable to split it into debian/packagename.README.debian | 09:32 |
cpaelzer_ | but on the other hand I want the information available for the user, no matter what package he installs | 09:32 |
cpaelzer_ | it is a bit controversial, ideas that we could come up so far are all unsatifying - e.g. like linking all debian/packagename.README.debians to just one file | 09:33 |
cpaelzer_ | that would provide the info whatever the user installs, but it doesn't feel right | 09:33 |
pitti | utlemming: I filed bug 1541757 with details, not sure if that's the right project | 09:35 |
ubottu | Error: Launchpad bug 1541757 could not be found | 09:35 |
pitti | (it's private) | 09:35 |
cpaelzer_ | on the other hand making the one package that brings this information a dependency just for the README file is even worse | 09:35 |
cpaelzer_ | however and hint is welcome if there is something else that would apply | 09:35 |
Pharaoh_Atem | rbasak: I'm clearly too tired to be useful now | 09:40 |
Pharaoh_Atem | I just mail-bombed you with my stupidity today :/ | 09:41 |
cpaelzer_ | I might just bind it to the -doc package and be done with, probably cleaner than everything else we came up so far | 09:43 |
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Pharaoh_Atem | rbasak: I think I've about bought the farm today, so I'm going to go to sleep for a few hours | 09:58 |
rbasak | Pharaoh_Atem: OK, no problem. Thank you for this work! I think we'll need to see what Ondrej thinks about your latest patch. | 09:59 |
Pharaoh_Atem | I've not submitted a patch for the tests, because I don't really know how I'm going to make this work | 09:59 |
rbasak | Oh, OK. | 09:59 |
Pharaoh_Atem | but the two patches I sent in (after fixing the author field) basically fix php-cgi.conf and add php-fpm.conf | 10:00 |
rbasak | I'm a bit tied up this week but we can look together on it soon. | 10:00 |
Pharaoh_Atem | I hope so | 10:00 |
Pharaoh_Atem | we're inching really close to that Feb 18 drop dead date | 10:00 |
Pharaoh_Atem | rbasak: I'm thinking that we're most likely going to have to give up on the idea of a versionless set of tests | 10:01 |
Pharaoh_Atem | it's getting messy to figure out how it would work correctly | 10:01 |
Pharaoh_Atem | the php-fpm config file patch would be needed anyway | 10:02 |
Pharaoh_Atem | since I'm adding a php-fpm test | 10:02 |
Pharaoh_Atem | anyway, ttyl | 10:04 |
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LocutusOfBorg | hi Logan can you please merge cinnamon? :) | 10:41 |
LocutusOfBorg | or alternatively, can I steal your merge? | 10:41 |
LocutusOfBorg | pitti, ^^^ you are the last uploader (even if a no change rebuild shouldn't count as real upload to me :p ) | 10:42 |
pitti | LocutusOfBorg: please steal, thank you! | 10:42 |
pitti | the whole Borg collective doing merges, awesome! | 10:42 |
LocutusOfBorg | :D | 10:42 |
LocutusOfBorg | are you aware of the package src:borgbackup? | 10:42 |
pitti | "You will be merged. Delta is futile." | 10:42 |
LocutusOfBorg | I'm maintaining it just for fun :D | 10:43 |
LocutusOfBorg | loool | 10:43 |
pitti | LocutusOfBorg: I suppose it uploads your entire HD into the hive^Wcloud ? | 10:43 |
LocutusOfBorg | yes, but only in the alpha quadrant | 10:44 |
LocutusOfBorg | :) | 10:44 |
pitti | LocutusOfBorg: what? they are in the Delta quadrant | 10:44 |
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pitti | what if a fire breaks out in Alpha and kills all backups? | 10:44 |
LocutusOfBorg | true, but they were in alpha too :) | 10:46 |
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cjwatson | pitti: so, I gather that I can retry autopkgtests in silos, but I'm not sure of the exact invocation. Could you clue me in? | 13:05 |
pitti | cjwatson: it's essentially the same, but with adding the two --ppa args; e. g. | 13:05 |
pitti | run-autopkgtest -s xenial -a armhf --ppa ci-train-ppa-service/stable-phone-overlay --ppa ci-train-ppa-service/landing-042 --trigger pay-service/15.10+16.04.20160114-0ubuntu1 unity-scope-click | 13:06 |
cjwatson | ah, good, that was my guess | 13:06 |
cjwatson | but wanted to check | 13:06 |
pitti | cjwatson: clicky-clicky implementation is being worked on | 13:06 |
cjwatson | pitti: thanks | 13:06 |
pitti | this mostly needs verifying the PPA args, packages in those, etc. | 13:06 |
mterry | doko, oh huh, clang doesn't use the new ABI? I guess that makes sense but hadn't thought about it. Do they have plans for that? | 13:25 |
doko | mterry, yes, but afaik it's not yet implemented | 13:48 |
doko | mterry, we promoted llvm when clang was built from a separate source. so nobody looked yet at promoting clang | 13:50 |
mterry | doko, makes sense | 13:53 |
cyphermox | good morning | 14:01 |
* mterry waves at cyphermox | 14:01 | |
seb128 | hey mterry cyphermox | 14:02 |
alexabreu | pitti, ping | 14:03 |
pitti | alexabreu: hello | 14:06 |
alexabreu | pitti, hi, do you think you could retry britney for silo 16? https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/xenial/landing-016/excuses.html | 14:06 |
pitti | alexabreu: kicked | 14:07 |
alexabreu | pitti, thx ! | 14:07 |
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pitti | cd | 14:07 |
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tjaalton | update_excuses still thinks ikiwiki-hosting and libalien-wxwidgets-perl tests are blocking llvm-3.8 | 14:53 |
tjaalton | doko: libclc builds with llvm-3.8 btw | 14:53 |
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ginggs | pitti, what else is needed for suitesparse to migrate - ignore the julia i386 regression? | 15:16 |
pitti | ginggs: ah, I bumped julia, but this ran against the previous version; I'll re-add the hint | 15:17 |
pitti | ginggs: but this had been a valid candidate for a long time, and it caused uninstallability | 15:17 |
pitti | i. e. some transition still needed | 15:17 |
pitti | ginggs: next cycle will have suitesparse as valid candidate again, and you can see it in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt again -- this tells you which other packages become uninstallable with that | 15:18 |
ginggs | pitti: ok, will look | 15:19 |
doko | ginggs, pitti: I assume this is all stuck in the openmpi/netcdf transitions | 15:20 |
doko | tjaalton, sure 3.8 is better than 3.7, but the point is that we should use exactly one system compiler | 15:21 |
ginggs | surprise openmpi transition... btw doko, is this needed? debian bug #813494 | 15:22 |
ubottu | Debian bug 813494 in mpi-default-dev "mpi-default-dev: Please depend on openmpi (>= 1.10.2 -3 )" [Important,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/813494 | 15:22 |
tjaalton | doko: understood, I'll try with g++ | 15:23 |
doko | ginggs, makes sense | 15:27 |
tjaalton | doko: nope, needs llvm-config, and readme has "libclc is intended to be used with the Clang compiler's OpenCL frontend" | 15:28 |
tjaalton | doko: oh I read your comment now.. didn't we settle on 3.8 to be the new default? | 15:32 |
tjaalton | now that it's available mesa can move to it | 15:33 |
doko | tjaalton, read backlog, it's still in -proposed | 15:34 |
tjaalton | doko: I know, but once it's out :) | 15:35 |
tjaalton | uh, and the comment was from mterry not you, damn :) | 15:36 |
tjaalton | doko: ok now I see the clang problem, I thought 3.8 would support the libstdc++ abi.. so mesa can use 3.8 once it's out of proposed, but doesn't have to enable opencl yet | 15:52 |
doko | sil2100, you merged ocaml, but didn't follow-up with the ocaml transition | 15:59 |
sil2100 | doko: when? | 15:59 |
sil2100 | doko: last time I touched ocaml was during xenial beginnings when I was doing the ocaml transition | 15:59 |
sil2100 | I didn't merge it recently, at least I don't recall doing that | 16:00 |
doko | sil2100, I know ... | 16:00 |
pitti | slangasek: /usr/lib/tmpfiles.d/{legacy,x11}.conf have some examples, like 'r! /fastboot' | 16:09 |
pitti | slangasek: the '!' means to only run that at boot, not when you restart/upgrade things (see tmpfiles.d(5)) | 16:12 |
doko | who speaks ocaml? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/coq-float/1:8.4-5build2/+build/8964835 | 16:14 |
ackk | hi, I'm trying to configure APT methods (the http one specifically) to skip proxy config for a certain domain, I'm trying with "Acquire::https:Proxy::<domain>=DIRECT", but it doesn't seem to work. am I doing something wrong? | 16:23 |
cjwatson | ackk: missing colon | 16:23 |
cjwatson | ::Proxy not :Proxy | 16:23 |
ackk | cjwatson, argh, I read that line a thousand times and didn't notice :/ | 16:24 |
ackk | cjwatson, thanks :) | 16:24 |
cjwatson | also you said http in one place there and https in another | 16:24 |
ackk | cjwatson, yeah I actually have that config for both | 16:25 |
xnox | pitti, could you retrigger node-websocket-driver with nodejs 4.2.6~dfsg-1ubuntu4 as trigger on ppc64el? | 16:34 |
xnox | it's a tmpfail. | 16:34 |
xnox | somehow ppc64el failed / got stuck a bit on nodejs tests.... | 16:35 |
pitti | xnox: done | 16:38 |
caribou | slangasek: regarding mstflint (which is in Universe btw) - would the mstflint-4 (from Xenial) be considered a new package ? | 16:51 |
slangasek | caribou: yes | 16:52 |
caribou | slangasek: so how does that happen in a stable release ? | 16:53 |
caribou | or can it ? | 16:53 |
slangasek | caribou: same as elsewhere, it just requires you to actively prod the SRU team about letting it in | 16:54 |
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bdmurray | seb128: I'm fairly certain those retrace failures you mentioned the other day are due to needing a new version of gdb on the retracers. | 17:19 |
xnox | caribou, same way lts-yname-backport stacks happen. It land in new queue for -proposed, but then migrates to -updates. We totally have brand new source and binary packages in -updates =) | 17:19 |
seb128 | bdmurray, ah, nice finding ... can you get it updated? | 17:24 |
bdmurray | seb128: its building in a PPA now, then need to submit RT etc... | 17:26 |
seb128 | thanks | 17:26 |
seb128 | is there anything we can do to see when that happens next time? | 17:26 |
seb128 | like do we have stat of numbers of retraces that fail to give useful stacktraces? | 17:26 |
bdmurray | seb128: the fix for bug 1517257 should avoid the issue | 17:27 |
ubottu | bug 1517257 in apport (Ubuntu) "apport-retrace should install and use gdb for target release" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1517257 | 17:27 |
seb128 | great | 17:27 |
doko | tjaalton, is the libclc MIR really needed until clang gets the compatibility with the new libstdc++ ABI? | 17:49 |
xnox | pitti, hm. the nodejs re-trigger didn't work, has it? is there a way to retrigger harder? I guess the proposed migration output should have retry buttons for test in progress things too? or like for tmpfail stuff. | 17:53 |
xnox | pitti, or just hint it? i'm sure that single node package on a single arch is fine. I can't wait to have nodejs available on s390x =) | 17:53 |
tjaalton | doko: it was needed for opencl support in mesa | 18:15 |
tjaalton | the clang compat requirement was new to me | 18:16 |
doko | tjaalton, does mesa work with opencl? | 18:25 |
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tjaalton | doko: debian has it | 18:58 |
tjaalton | since ~2y ago | 18:59 |
tjaalton | (mesa-opencl-icd) | 19:05 |
pitti | xnox: oh -- I triggered node-leveldown, not node-websocket-driver, sorry | 19:11 |
pitti | poked | 19:11 |
highvoltage | 0/win 15 | 19:16 |
cjwatson | Laney,juliank: all right, I spent all day on https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/uncompressed-indexes/+merge/285109 - once that's reviewed/merged/deployed, both DEP-11 and Contents should work properly | 19:55 |
cjwatson | also makes xz indexes a bit easier to arrange for in the near future | 19:56 |
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juliank | cjwatson: Wonderful | 21:15 |
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pitti | Mirv, alex-abreu, cjwatson: FYI, https://requests.ci-train.staging.ubuntu.com/static/britney/xenial/landing-021/excuses.html → silo excuses now have retry links | 21:31 |
pitti | (production will update in a bit) | 21:31 |
alex-abreu | pitti, awesome ! no more bothering you :) | 21:31 |
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pitti | clicked on the i386 regression, queued on http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running.shtml#pkg-qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu | 21:32 |
alex-abreu | pitti, they only appear on *new* britney results | 21:33 |
pitti | alex-abreu: the pages will all be regenerated, give it another 30 minns | 21:34 |
alex-abreu | pitti, great thx | 21:34 |
mwhudson | infinity: ping | 22:00 |
infinity | mwhudson: gnop | 22:08 |
mwhudson | infinity: have you had the chance to form an opinion on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/golang/+bug/1536882 yet? | 22:12 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1536882 in golang (Ubuntu) "upload golang1.5 package for trusty" [Undecided,New] | 22:12 |
infinity | mwhudson: I've been decidedly opinion-free this week, trying (somewhat unsuccessfully) to avoid too much multitasking. | 22:14 |
mwhudson | infinity: fair enough, can i schedule an opinion-forming slot? | 22:15 |
mwhudson | infinity: it's not urgent, exactly, but at the same time i don't want it to sit there forever | 22:15 |
mwhudson | and i asked slangasek who to bug and he said you :-) | 22:16 |
infinity | Heh. | 22:16 |
infinity | mwhudson: Maybe put something on my calendar for next week? | 22:16 |
infinity | mwhudson: And we can actually have a chat about it. | 22:17 |
mwhudson | infinity: done, feel free to move it around | 22:18 |
mwhudson | although not too much earlier in the day pls | 22:18 |
slangasek | y | 22:18 |
cjwatson | pitti: excellent | 22:18 |
infinity | mwhudson: My brain doesn't wake up until mid-afternoon, "earlier" isn't in my scheduling vocabulary. | 22:18 |
mwhudson | infinity: execellent | 22:19 |
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pitti | cjwatson: oh, thanks for beating me to updating lupin (I have a half-written update here, but wanted to wait until systemd landed) | 23:34 |
pitti | cjwatson: this isn't systemd specific FYI, it was done 4 years ago in Debian already (between sysvinit and util-linux) | 23:35 |
pitti | cjwatson: but I thought we also need to consider the case if /etc/adjtime does not exist at all only has one or two lnies | 23:35 |
pitti | lines | 23:35 |
pitti | (that's the "half-written" part, too tired to figure this out today properly) | 23:36 |
* pitti waves good night .. morning already, actually | 23:37 | |
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