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| pitti | **\o/** | 15:59 |
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| sil2100 | o/ | 16:00 |
| xnox | yo | 16:00 |
| * xnox starts to frantically shuffle papaers | 16:00 | |
| cyphermox | hey! | 16:00 |
| robru | o/ | 16:00 |
| * slangasek waves | 16:01 | |
| slangasek | #startmeeting | 16:01 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Thu Feb 4 16:01:27 2016 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 16:01 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 16:01 |
| * genii makes a large pot of coffee | 16:01 | |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] Lightning round | 16:02 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Lightning round | ||
| slangasek | $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko bdmurray slangasek caribou infinity sil2100 robru cyphermox pitti tdaitx xnox chiluk) | 16:02 |
| slangasek | tdaitx pitti slangasek doko infinity barry caribou xnox sil2100 chiluk robru bdmurray cyphermox | 16:02 |
| slangasek | tdaitx: hello! | 16:02 |
| cyphermox | I lost :( | 16:02 |
| pitti | sooo close! | 16:03 |
| * pitti tosses a candy towards tdaitx | 16:03 | |
| slangasek | pitti: ok, go ahead :) | 16:04 |
| pitti | ci train sprint: | 16:05 |
| pitti | - fought way too long with trying to deploy to Canonistack (lcy01 is broken, no response to STS ticket; lcy02 timing out) | 16:05 |
| pitti | - fought way too long with mojo and trying to deploy to juju-local; got a working rollout at last, updated lots of missing details on the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/citrain/Development; reproduced again in clean VM | 16:05 |
| pitti | - implement proper log rotation in bileto, land bileto charm fix | 16:05 |
| pitti | - Investigate flipping between running and approved; identified and fixed at least one reason (#1537866) | 16:05 |
| pitti | autopkgtest: | 16:05 |
| pitti | - Further debug arm64 breakage in scalingstack; making some progress, but still blocked by #1531768 | 16:05 |
| pitti | - Investigate broken ppc64el xenial cloud images (#1541757) | 16:05 |
| pitti | distro: | 16:05 |
| pitti | - openvpn: Apply script-security hack from init.d script to the .service (#1454725) | 16:05 |
| pitti | - python-distutils-extra: Some bug fixes, modernize packaging | 16:05 |
| pitti | - schroot: Test/upload Tyler's patch for fixing recursive bind mounts in schroot (#1430557) | 16:05 |
| pitti | - systemd: Make package build and tests work against upstream master (preparation for hooking this into upstream git PRs) | 16:05 |
| pitti | - systemd: merge with Debian, fix /run/lock regression (#1541775) | 16:05 |
| pitti | - Review caribou's rsyslog merge, discuss cleaning it up, sponsor | 16:05 |
| pitti | - Review/comment supported-build-depends proposal | 16:05 |
| pitti | - ongoing: Consistently use /etc/adjtime for UTC vs. LOCAL, grep archive for catching all of it (#1541532) | 16:05 |
| pitti | (end) | 16:05 |
| slangasek | * merges: shadow now updated, clearing one of the oldest merges off the list and adding a systemd unit to its upstart job | 16:06 |
| slangasek | * and dh_systemd still makes me angry | 16:06 |
| slangasek | * working on standing up .deb based images for rpi2 to go with the snappy images for this cycle | 16:06 |
| slangasek | * presentation prep work for the snappy sprint in 2 weeks | 16:06 |
| slangasek | * discussions around the creation of the preinstalled snappy images and infrastructure needed | 16:06 |
| slangasek | * still on baby watch | 16:06 |
| slangasek | (done) | 16:06 |
| doko | what is wrong with dh_systemd? | 16:06 |
| doko | - FOSDEM, free java room | 16:07 |
| doko | - following the unannounced openmpi transition | 16:07 |
| doko | - netcdf transition | 16:07 |
| doko | - llvm-3.8, fix ftbfs, prepare for transitin | 16:07 |
| doko | - removed last references to ruby2.1, removed now. | 16:07 |
| doko | - python3.4 removal still waits for numpy to migrate. | 16:07 |
| doko | - binutils update | 16:07 |
| doko | - prepare gccgo-6, (with go 1.6 support) | 16:07 |
| doko | (done) | 16:07 |
| slangasek | doko: it should have been a minor extension to dh_installinit | 16:07 |
| barry | no infinity? | 16:07 |
| pitti | slangasek: FWIW, /etc/init/passwd.conf would more efficiently transition to a tmpfiles.d/ snippet than a .service calling rm | 16:07 |
| slangasek | and it should have been done as part of debhelper instead of an add-on that now everyone has to build-depend on separately for the default init system | 16:07 |
| barry | debian bug #811110 | 16:07 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 811110 in wnpp "ITP: dirtbike -- convert installed Python packages to wheels" [Wishlist,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/811110 | 16:07 |
| slangasek | pitti: ah, thanks for the hint | 16:08 |
| pitti | slangasek: (let's talk off-meeting) | 16:08 |
| barry | pip 7.1.2, 8.0.2, 8.0.2-1 (still needs work and fixes to virtualenv) | 16:08 |
| slangasek | pitti: I hadn't considered tmpfiles.d being used to remove files from /etc :) | 16:08 |
| barry | LP: #1541407 | 16:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1541407 in apt-xapian-index (Ubuntu) "/usr/share/apt-xapian-index/update-apt-xapian-index-dbus:SyntaxError" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1541407 | 16:08 |
| barry | like pitti, i fought the mojo and the mojo won. | 16:08 |
| barry | virtual sprint on bileto | 16:08 |
| barry | --done-- | 16:08 |
| caribou | Bugfix : | 16:09 |
| caribou | - LP #1528101 - vm.min_free_kbytes crash issues | 16:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1528101 in kexec-tools (Ubuntu) "ISST-LTE: kdump failed: second kernel booting hangs after /scripts/init-bottom when large min_free_kbytes value being set" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1528101 | 16:09 |
| caribou | Solution would be overly complex for a corner case | 16:09 |
| caribou | - LP #1534106 - rsyslog segfault with juju | 16:09 |
| caribou | merged rsyslog 8.16.0-2 which should fix this | 16:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1534106 in rsyslog (Ubuntu) "rsyslogd crashed with SIGSEGV with juju-local configuration" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1534106 | 16:09 |
| xnox | \o/ | 16:09 |
| caribou | Development work: | 16:09 |
| caribou | - LP #1540537 - libvirt sponsorship | 16:09 |
| caribou | WIP | 16:09 |
| caribou | - LP #1539483 - rsyslog merge | 16:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1540537 in libvirt (Ubuntu Vivid) "make ovs-vsctl not raise error if there's no portData available." [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1540537 | 16:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1539483 in rsyslog (Ubuntu) "Please merge rsyslog 8.16.0-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1539483 | 16:09 |
| caribou | - LP: #1540491 - merge clamav | 16:09 |
| caribou | - Learn new git merge workflow for clamav | 16:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1540491 in clamav (Ubuntu) "Please merge clamav 0.99+dfsg-1 (main) from Debian stable" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1540491 | 16:09 |
| caribou | ☑ Done | 16:09 |
| xnox | * Fiddling with s/-m32/-m31/ | 16:10 |
| xnox | * uploaded d-i, s390-tools, choose-mirror, s390-netdevice | 16:10 |
| xnox | * unbroke adt tests on multipath-tools (somewhat), mysql | 16:10 |
| xnox | * debugging parted crashes, on lvm, on dasd - reffered to upstream contributor LP: 1541510 | 16:10 |
| xnox | * uploaded upstart (minor old bugfix upload) | 16:10 |
| xnox | * nodejs (with patch from previously deffered upstream fix) | 16:10 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1541510 in parted (Ubuntu) "parted crashes on lvm, on a dasd drive" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1541510 | 16:10 |
| xnox | * systemd with shorter network names, there is now space for :vlan-id | 16:10 |
| xnox | * FOSDEM | 16:10 |
| xnox | * Started nomination process for DMB - anybody wants to join?! =) | 16:10 |
| xnox | .. | 16:10 |
| sil2100 | - Sick with flu the whole week, productivity lowered | 16:11 |
| sil2100 | - Landing team work, silo coordination, preparing landing e-mails | 16:11 |
| sil2100 | - RTM Status meetings | 16:11 |
| sil2100 | - system-image: | 16:11 |
| sil2100 | * Review of a community submitted device-alias merge | 16:11 |
| sil2100 | * Creation of the new PD-related frieza channels | 16:11 |
| sil2100 | * Helping debugging some local s-i servers for the community | 16:11 |
| sil2100 | - OTA-9.5: | 16:11 |
| sil2100 | * Preparing snapshot, creating first semi-candidate image | 16:11 |
| sil2100 | * Work on scheduling and importing the new custom and device tarballs | 16:11 |
| sil2100 | * Bug triaging, chasing upstreams | 16:11 |
| sil2100 | - +1-maintenance and patch piloting | 16:11 |
| slangasek | xnox: -m31 - augh? | 16:11 |
| sil2100 | * Merge denemo from Debian per sponsoring request | 16:11 |
| sil2100 | * Sponsor SRU for live-build | 16:11 |
| sil2100 | * Publish doko's multi-arch changes for some CI Train projects | 16:11 |
| barry | sil2100: i saw your mp, will get to it when i can | 16:11 |
| sil2100 | * Looking into one livecd-rootfs review | 16:11 |
| sil2100 | - Landing Team tools: | 16:11 |
| sil2100 | * Changes to the issue tracker for better blocker tracking for OTA purposes | 16:11 |
| sil2100 | * New small helper script additions | 16:11 |
| sil2100 | * Fixing the snapshotting script to workaround issue with packages from private builders | 16:11 |
| xnox | slangasek, because lib32* packages do not come for free =) well, at least 2 did not. | 16:12 |
| sil2100 | - Different MP reviews (most related to touch) | 16:12 |
| sil2100 | (done) | 16:12 |
| caribou | xnox: do you think that adding zfcpdump to kdump-config be useful ? | 16:12 |
| xnox | slangasek, they had -m64 packages, but no -m31 packages. | 16:12 |
| xnox | caribou, YES! | 16:12 |
| sil2100 | barry: \o/ thanks, it's still WIP paused until this crazy milestone is done but I'd like someone to take a look at it in the meantime | 16:12 |
| * doko forgot 30 multiarchifications | 16:12 | |
| xnox | caribou, that's the only way to get a dump out of those things. | 16:12 |
| caribou | xnox: I'll see what can be done; we already implemented firmware assisted dumps for Power8 | 16:13 |
| slangasek | xnox: what packages ? we haven't agreed to do any engineering work to enable -m31 builds... is this upstream in Debian? | 16:13 |
| xnox | slangasek, let's talk after meeting. | 16:13 |
| chiluk | sounds like my turn then. | 16:13 |
| chiluk | - Requested security team put comments on the launchpad bugs when SRU's are pulled from -proposed due to CVEs. This is all due to CVE confusion in #1527062. The kernel team may need to modify their scripts accodingly as well. | 16:13 |
| chiluk | - Other than that mostly non-public support casework this week. | 16:13 |
| chiluk | -done- | 16:13 |
| robru | * coaching pitti, barry, bdmurray in ci-train/bileto bugfixing for sprint this week | 16:14 |
| robru | * prepped bugs, organizing priorities and pointing out where in code to work on fixes | 16:14 |
| robru | * reviewing & merging the copious amounts of work done by pitti, barry, bdmurray this week | 16:14 |
| robru | * many, many, many iterations on the deployment instructions so that you can almost, sorta, kinda, deploy ci-train into canonistack. | 16:14 |
| robru | (done) | 16:14 |
| bdmurray | modified mojo spec to use the dse version of cassandra and testing it | 16:14 |
| bdmurray | investigation into 16.04 retrace failures for seb128 | 16:14 |
| bdmurray | uploaded whoopsie to Xenial (doko's multiarch changes) | 16:14 |
| bdmurray | reported that Supported time frame for xenial packages is wrong | 16:14 |
| bdmurray | ubuntu-release-upgrader merge proposal review and testing for LP: #153880 | 16:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 153880 in texlive-base (Ubuntu) "Update manager hangs during install from Feisty to Gutsy" [Undecided,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153880 | 16:14 |
| bdmurray | uploaded ubuntu-release-upgrader to Xenial | 16:14 |
| bdmurray | worked on creating a snap for a WeMo server | 16:15 |
| bdmurray | prep for bileto sprint | 16:15 |
| bdmurray | bileto sprint (LP: #1488956, LP: #1530870, LP: #1541258) | 16:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1488956 in Bileto "Lander IRC nickname should be fetched from Launchpad" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1488956 | 16:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1530870 in CI Train [cu2d] "Ticket's published_versions should state series information" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1530870 | 16:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1541258 in CI Train [cu2d] "Stop writing useless files." [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1541258 | 16:15 |
| bdmurray | ✔ done | 16:15 |
| cyphermox | - [MIR] appstream review | 16:15 |
| cyphermox | - [MIR] fwupd review | 16:15 |
| cyphermox | - [MIR] s390-tools review | 16:15 |
| cyphermox | - [Misc] sablecc update | 16:15 |
| cyphermox | - [trusty] multipath-tools on LVM (bug lp:#1540401) | 16:15 |
| cyphermox | - [trusty] libaudit openssh/shadow verification (bug lp:#1478087) | 16:15 |
| cyphermox | advance warning, prepare for the bug link flood... | 16:15 |
| cyphermox | - [trusty] ubiquity 2.18.8.12 merge from jderose (bug lp:#1539266) | 16:15 |
| cyphermox | - [trusty] multipath/parted bugfixes (bug lp:#1432062, bug lp:#1473903, bug lp:#1486370, bug lp:#1496210, bug lp:#1503286, bug lp:#1526984, bug lp:#1536008, bug lp:#1538775) | 16:15 |
| cyphermox | - [vivid] NetworkManager backport | 16:15 |
| slangasek | bdmurray: I think I pushed the merge for the xenial support time frame, is that fixed now in the metadata? | 16:15 |
| cyphermox | ... or not? | 16:16 |
| cyphermox | - backporting IPv6 support for broadband modems | 16:16 |
| cyphermox | - [xenial] s390-tools upload | 16:16 |
| cyphermox | - removed Build-Depends on libsysfs | 16:16 |
| cyphermox | - [xenial] multipath-tools bugfix (bug lp:#1540660) | 16:16 |
| cyphermox | - also fix rebuilds and add autopkgtest | 16:16 |
| cyphermox | (done) | 16:16 |
| caribou | cyphermox: lp# w/o a space is not picked up | 16:16 |
| cyphermox | doh. | 16:16 |
| * cyphermox fixes his sed+xslt | 16:16 | |
| slangasek | :) | 16:16 |
| slangasek | alright | 16:16 |
| slangasek | any questions? | 16:16 |
| caribou | I got one for AOB | 16:17 |
| slangasek | robru: would you like to give any more detail about this week's vsprint? | 16:17 |
| bdmurray | slangasek: hmm, I'm not seeing support at all | 16:18 |
| bdmurray | s/support/Supported/ | 16:18 |
| slangasek | bdmurray: we're talking about the metadata in the Packages file, right? | 16:18 |
| robru | slangasek: sorry I forgot to prep notes last night so that was written in a hurry | 16:19 |
| slangasek | bdmurray: it's possible my merge broke it, since it landed this week (after discussion on #ubuntu-release last week)... is there a bug #? | 16:19 |
| slangasek | robru: well, I'm just asking if you want to talk about how it's going... not read from notes :) | 16:19 |
| robru | slangasek: many many bugs fixed, lemme see: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bileto/+bug/1488956 https://bugs.launchpad.net/cupstream2distro/+bug/1530870 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bileto/+bug/1513649 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bileto/+bug/1538717 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bileto/+bug/1538716 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bileto/+bug/1538718 | 16:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1488956 in Bileto "Lander IRC nickname should be fetched from Launchpad" [Wishlist,Fix released] | 16:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1530870 in CI Train [cu2d] "Ticket's published_versions should state series information" [Wishlist,Fix released] | 16:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1513649 in Bileto "Warn when publishing to vivid and destination PPA field is left blank" [Undecided,Fix released] | 16:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1538717 in Bileto "implement log rotation for iterate.py" [Undecided,Fix released] | 16:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1538716 in Bileto "Needs a clickable index of static files." [Undecided,Fix released] | 16:20 |
| bdmurray | slangasek: I noticed via apt-cache show but imagine that looks at the Packages file. Checking another system after running apt-get update the Supported info disappeared | 16:20 |
| robru | slangasek: it's going really well, the guys are picking things up quick, I'm quite pleased with how fast everything's gone. all the prep last week is paying off for sure | 16:21 |
| slangasek | bdmurray: ok, very likely that it somehow managed to regress then. If there's no bug open, let's take it to #ubuntu-release for discussion after (and find somebody who can tell me where I can find the output of the script) | 16:21 |
| bdmurray | slangasek: no bug, sounds fine | 16:21 |
| slangasek | robru: cool. getting close to having an actually reliably deployable development environment from mojo? :) | 16:21 |
| pitti | slangasek: the instructions work now; it still needs to run mojo two or three times, but just that | 16:22 |
| robru | slangasek: close to as good as it's going to get. what makes it difficult is that a) canonistack is really slow and flaky, and b) the amount of creds required is staggering and creating them all new is a royal pain | 16:22 |
| slangasek | pitti: because of canonistack reliability problems? | 16:22 |
| robru | slangasek: yep | 16:23 |
| pitti | yeah, forget canonistack | 16:23 |
| * slangasek nods | 16:23 | |
| pitti | slangasek: I meant in juju-local | 16:23 |
| slangasek | robru: right, but I assume the creds stuff can be done once per developer? | 16:23 |
| pitti | I tried about 10 to 15 times, it always times out | 16:23 |
| robru | pitti: oh you got juju local working? last I heard you switched to canonistack because of some issue | 16:23 |
| slangasek | pitti: so it takes 2-3 runs even for local? | 16:23 |
| robru | slangasek: true, each developer can re-use their own creds | 16:23 |
| pitti | I set up a new LP account with a new GPG and SSH key; that part is by far the most work | 16:23 |
| robru | yeah | 16:24 |
| pitti | as it needs lots of veriifcation emails, uploading a new key, etc. | 16:24 |
| pitti | slangasek: yeah, there are some juju-local bugs | 16:24 |
| pitti | like, the juju agent often doesn't finish installation, and it's stuck forever in "waiting for agent to run" | 16:24 |
| slangasek | I wonder if it would make sense to omit the LP integration pieces from the devel setup, and just mock it somehow | 16:24 |
| slangasek | pitti: ah, doh | 16:24 |
| slangasek | anyway, cool - glad to hear you've got it down to "just" juju bugs and creds :) | 16:25 |
| pitti | so killing those broken machines and re-running works | 16:25 |
| robru | slangasek: I'm not sure how that would even look. it's very tightly coupled to lp, from interacting with PPAs to querying lplib about packages and stuff. | 16:25 |
| pitti | I guess for robru it's fine to use his own LP user and creds | 16:26 |
| pitti | but I don't want to create a password-less GPG user for my account | 16:26 |
| slangasek | robru: I mean for the ppa interaction part. Querying lplib about packages in the main archive should still work the same. OTOH, being tightly coupled to LP is a good thing, it means you don't have too many wheels reinvented :) | 16:26 |
| pitti | lp:~pitti can do too much damage everywhere :) | 16:26 |
| robru | pitti: I used my own because I wasn't bothered by the issue where you need a passwordless gpg in order to be able to sign packages; I just do builds in staging rather than use my own deployment | 16:26 |
| slangasek | pitti: pretty sure robru's account also has privileges in places, and that he was aiming for core-dev... | 16:26 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] AOB | 16:27 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB | ||
| slangasek | anything else today? | 16:27 |
| pitti | so, it's set then -- robru will charm up Launchpad, we can roll it out into two more containers | 16:28 |
| barry | pitti: agreed | 16:28 |
| * pitti runs away really fast to evade the bullets | 16:28 | |
| robru | slangasek: yeah my account has lots of access but the thing is that I didn't associate a passwordless gpg key with my account as is required for a fully functioning deployment | 16:28 |
| slangasek | robru: right, that's fine then | 16:28 |
| caribou | there is a request to backport the mstflint version in Xenial to the other stable releases as it becomes inoperatable with newer hardware from mellanox | 16:28 |
| cyphermox | oh | 16:28 |
| slangasek | caribou: sounds to me like an appropriate hardware enablement SRU | 16:28 |
| pitti | I hope today we can finish the web-clicky version of "retry my failed tests in a silo" | 16:29 |
| caribou | there is quite a gap b/w trusty's version and Xenial | 16:29 |
| caribou | slangasek: what's the best approach for the SRU : a massive debdiff b/w the two versions ? | 16:29 |
| slangasek | caribou: does it carry risk of regression for other hardware, though, and if so how will it be validated? Maybe it's better to put it in trusty as a parallel package? | 16:29 |
| caribou | slangasek: parallel package as in -backports ? | 16:30 |
| caribou | slangasek: right now, the ones pushing for this the harder are Mellanox themselves | 16:30 |
| slangasek | caribou: I mean package it under a different name (mstflint-4 or mstflint-why-cant-hardware-interfaces-be-stable) | 16:31 |
| slangasek | -backports would seem ok to me as well | 16:31 |
| caribou | mstfint-4 could be a valid solution, we'll investigate that | 16:31 |
| caribou | slangasek: ok, thanks! | 16:32 |
| slangasek | what else? | 16:32 |
| bdmurray | It's EoL day right? | 16:33 |
| slangasek | yes and no | 16:33 |
| slangasek | yes for desktop and server, no for snappy and phone :) | 16:33 |
| slangasek | bdmurray: did you already flip meta release? | 16:33 |
| pitti | oh, schroot removal o'clock! | 16:34 |
| pitti | more seriously, what about running vivid autopkgtests? I figure we still need them for the phone | 16:34 |
| barry | pitti: indeed :) | 16:34 |
| pitti | we just won't get any updated cloud images any more | 16:34 |
| bdmurray | slangasek: No, I was having issues upgrading from T to W but will today. Oh, that's interesting I was working on rejejct crashes from 15.04 but then what about the phone... | 16:34 |
| slangasek | pitti, bdmurray: we ought not change anything on the infrastructure side for vivid right now | 16:35 |
| pitti | OOI, is there a timeline for migrating to wily or xenial? | 16:35 |
| xnox | pitti, hardware EOL? | 16:35 |
| slangasek | pitti: I don't have any timeline | 16:36 |
| xnox | pitti, cause like armhf abi breaks in qdouble, and c++11 abi are hard to "upgrade" to. | 16:36 |
| pitti | xnox: right, but that problem won't become any easier with time passing | 16:36 |
| pitti | i. e. with pre-built apps in the store | 16:37 |
| xnox | pitti, right, but e.g. hopefully one day all things become arm64, with a hard/good qdouble and c++11 abi. | 16:37 |
| pitti | wow | 16:37 |
| slangasek | heh | 16:38 |
| xnox | (and hopefully we will not have c+=14 abi problem) | 16:38 |
| pitti | that sounds like vivid super-LTS | 16:38 |
| slangasek | pitti: it is an issue that we should keep pressing on, and not just wait until all of the armhf devices are EOL | 16:38 |
| slangasek | I'd suggest ubuntu-phone for that :) | 16:38 |
| pitti | well, potentially we could upload the rest of vivid to the overlay PPA, and that then becomes the "full" vivid-touch archive? | 16:39 |
| xnox | \o/ problem solved | 16:40 |
| pitti | well, not really | 16:40 |
| pitti | but we could at least drop vivid from /ubuntu | 16:40 |
| slangasek | no | 16:40 |
| slangasek | vivid is staying where it is | 16:40 |
| pitti | someone still needs to provide updates for the touch-y packages | 16:40 |
| slangasek | and this is not the meeting to discuss this :) | 16:41 |
| pitti | ok, so I'll keep everything running | 16:41 |
| slangasek | pitti: alright, great :) | 16:42 |
| slangasek | #endmeeting | 16:42 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Thu Feb 4 16:42:45 2016 UTC. | 16:42 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-02-04-16.01.moin.txt | 16:42 |
| slangasek | thanks, all! | 16:42 |
| caribou | thanks! | 16:42 |
| bdmurray | slangasek: to be clear, keep accepting crashes from vivid but set unsupported in the meta-release file? | 16:42 |
| pitti | thanks all! | 16:42 |
| slangasek | bdmurray: yes | 16:42 |
| barry | thanks! | 16:42 |
| slangasek | bdmurray: if that's ok / works ? | 16:43 |
| bdmurray | slangasek: the retracers are keeping up w/ the load so sure | 16:43 |
| xnox | slangasek, bdmurray didn't we "oversupport" quantal or some such too? because there was a cloud of some sort. | 16:44 |
| bdmurray | xnox: Not that I recall and we wouldn't have gotten automatic crashes from that setup. | 16:44 |
| slangasek | bdmurray: right - and if they weren't keeping up with the load, that would mean we need more retracers to handle the reports from things our users are still running :) | 16:44 |
| bdmurray | slangasek: just because they are still running it doesn't mean we are fixing those crashes... | 16:45 |
| slangasek | bdmurray: true; but the phone team is still supporting 15.04 | 16:52 |
| bdmurray | slangasek: right I was being pedantic about "things our users are still running" - crashes from Saucy aren't useful | 16:55 |
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| dholbach | Hello everybody! | 17:00 |
| dholbach | #startmeeting CC meeting | 17:00 |
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| dholbach | #chair belkinsa czajkowski hggdh sgclark mhall119 marcoceppi | 17:01 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: belkinsa czajkowski dholbach hggdh marcoceppi mhall119 sgclark | 17:01 |
| czajkowski | Aloha | 17:01 |
| dholbach | almost the entire CC :) | 17:01 |
| hggdh | o/ | 17:01 |
| sgclark | hello | 17:01 |
| mhall119 | o/ | 17:01 |
| belkinsa | o/ | 17:01 |
| dholbach | how are we all doing? :) | 17:01 |
| belkinsa | Doing well. Thanks for asking. | 17:01 |
| mhall119 | trying to blame being tired on jetlag, but the timeline isn't in my favor there | 17:01 |
| hggdh | life is good :-) | 17:01 |
| sgclark | allergies :( | 17:01 |
| dholbach | mhall119: I'm with you on that one :) | 17:02 |
| * dholbach hugs sgclark | 17:02 | |
| czajkowski | pesky timezones :) | 17:02 |
| dholbach | so we're meeting the Xubuntu team... do we have anyone from the team here? | 17:02 |
| mhall119 | pleia2: ? | 17:02 |
| mhall119 | although, I think she's at linux.conf.au this week | 17:03 |
| * micahg is here, but hasn't been doing much with Xubuntu lately | 17:03 | |
| dholbach | ochosi? | 17:03 |
| dholbach | Noskcaj_? | 17:03 |
| dholbach | just pinging folks in #xubuntu-devel right now | 17:04 |
| * genii makes more coffee | 17:05 | |
| dholbach | I would suggest we wait a few mins - and then move on to the Ubuntu Studio team if we can't find anyone | 17:06 |
| * belkinsa nods | 17:06 | |
| * hggdh finishes current coffee brew, and prepares another | 17:06 | |
| dholbach | can anyone ping a few ubuntu studio people already? :) | 17:06 |
| mhall119 | or we can start with studio first if there's someone here for it | 17:07 |
| mhall119 | and then try XUbuntu again after | 17:07 |
| dholbach | sure, that'd work for me as well | 17:07 |
| czajkowski | nods | 17:08 |
| belkinsa | dholbach, Ubuntu Studio pinged in their channel. | 17:08 |
| mhall119 | zequence: are you around for the Ubuntu Studio catchup meeting? | 17:08 |
| dholbach | thanks belkinsa | 17:08 |
| belkinsa | Not a problem. | 17:09 |
| mhall119 | perhaps we need to go back to sending reminder emails 24 hours in advance | 17:10 |
| dholbach | yeah :-/ | 17:10 |
| belkinsa | Agreed. | 17:10 |
| mhall119 | or setting up a shared calendar with invites | 17:10 |
| mhall119 | so folks get a notification | 17:10 |
| belkinsa | That could work. | 17:11 |
| * sgclark nods | 17:11 | |
| dholbach | is there anyone who woud like to take a look at setting this up? | 17:12 |
| mhall119 | I will | 17:12 |
| sgclark | Sure I will | 17:12 |
| sgclark | mhall119: you do enough :) | 17:12 |
| Rosco2 | Hi - I am from Ubuntu Studio | 17:12 |
| mhall119 | doesn't feel like it :/ | 17:12 |
| belkinsa | Rosco2, prefect, thank you! | 17:12 |
| mhall119 | sgclark: let's work together on it then | 17:12 |
| sgclark | I know the feeling | 17:12 |
| belkinsa | Same here. | 17:13 |
| sgclark | mhall119: sounds good :) | 17:13 |
| dholbach | thanks a lot mhall119, sgclark! | 17:13 |
| dholbach | thanks Rosco2! | 17:13 |
| dholbach | #topic Catching up with the Ubuntu Studio team | 17:13 |
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| dholbach | Rosco2: how are you doing? :) | 17:13 |
| Rosco2 | There is still time for zequence to join at half past | 17:13 |
| Rosco2 | Fine | 17:13 |
| Rosco2 | First time I have joined one of these | 17:14 |
| mhall119 | Rosco2: yeah, we didn't have anyone from Xubuntu here so we're starting Studio earlier than planned | 17:14 |
| dholbach | Rosco2: great to have you :-) | 17:14 |
| dholbach | how are things in the Ubuntu Studio world? | 17:14 |
| Rosco2 | We are in a transition with zequence soon to be replaced with Set | 17:15 |
| Rosco2 | as new Lead | 17:15 |
| Rosco2 | hopefullt Set joins too | 17:16 |
| dholbach | ah cool... have you been working together for a while already? | 17:16 |
| Rosco2 | I have only been around for a couple of cycles | 17:17 |
| dholbach | Which part of Ubuntu Studio are you most interested in? | 17:17 |
| Rosco2 | I currently maintain some packages in Debian | 17:18 |
| mhall119 | a couple of cycles is a decent amount of time invested :) We're happy you've been around this long | 17:18 |
| Rosco2 | So helping with syncs/merges SRUs - bug triage etc | 17:18 |
| belkinsa | Yes, and maybe enough to apply for your Membership/ | 17:18 |
| Rosco2 | I have volunteered to be Test Lead | 17:19 |
| dholbach | Rosco2: nice... has somebody been sponsoring your upload for you up until now? | 17:19 |
| Rosco2 | So the first big thing is to help with the release | 17:19 |
| Rosco2 | I have not had that many uploads in Ubuntu | 17:20 |
| dholbach | How are things looking so far for 16.04? | 17:20 |
| Rosco2 | And quite a few different sponsors | 17:20 |
| dholbach | Excellent! :-) | 17:20 |
| Rosco2 | From my part - looking good | 17:21 |
| mhall119 | Rosco2: have you considered applying for Ubuntu Membership? | 17:21 |
| sakrecoer | greetings! | 17:21 |
| Rosco2 | We have been working with flocculant to get some manuaæ test cases on the QA tracker | 17:21 |
| mhall119 | as belkinsa mentioned, you've been around long enough for it, and I'm sure you can get testimonials from other members in Ubuntu Studio | 17:21 |
| mhall119 | hello sakrecoer | 17:22 |
| czajkowski | Rosco2: excellent | 17:22 |
| belkinsa | Rosco2, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership | 17:22 |
| belkinsa | For info on the Membership. | 17:22 |
| Rosco2 | Thanks - I will look into it | 17:22 |
| belkinsa | Not a problem. | 17:22 |
| * mhall119 sees you've also been active in gramps, I love that program | 17:22 | |
| flocculant | czajkowski: they did good with the testcases :) | 17:23 |
| Rosco2 | Gramps is what got me started | 17:23 |
| belkinsa | Rosco2, have you and the team ran into any problems in this cycle? | 17:23 |
| dholbach | do you have still many things you need to get done for 16.04? | 17:23 |
| belkinsa | This cycle = 16.04. | 17:25 |
| Rosco2 | We have not been very ambitious with new features this cycle | 17:25 |
| dholbach | So I guess a lot of package updates and stabilisation? | 17:26 |
| Rosco2 | But Set has been working to sort out artwork etc | 17:26 |
| mhall119 | Rosco2: is that from lack of time/resources, or lack of confidence? | 17:26 |
| Rosco2 | Resources I would say | 17:26 |
| mhall119 | what's the plan for increasing that? Do you need help with recruitment or promotion? | 17:27 |
| Rosco2 | There are many of us that are in the Studio team but also have other interests | 17:27 |
| mhall119 | ^^ that's a question for anyone involved in Studio, not just Rosco2 | 17:27 |
| dholbach | is the rt kernel still being used for ubuntu studio? | 17:27 |
| Rosco2 | I think low latency kernel | 17:28 |
| dholbach | ah sorry, yes | 17:28 |
| dholbach | and the work with the kernel team is going smoothly on that one? | 17:28 |
| Rosco2 | But zequence & ovenworks know the moost about that | 17:28 |
| dholbach | ok -I know that it was a source of problems in the past, but it's probably no issue anymore :) | 17:29 |
| Rosco2 | Zequence wrote me that things were pretty smooth | 17:29 |
| dholbach | excellent - let us know if we can ever help with anything | 17:29 |
| dholbach | where do you currently get the most feedback from ubuntu studio users? | 17:29 |
| Rosco2 | Things are pretty quiet on -user | 17:30 |
| sakrecoer | promotion would be very handy. we are putting emphasis on PR. cfhowlett has helped me with that. | 17:30 |
| sakrecoer | the feedback is coming in from various channels. i' affraid facebook takes a big chunk of that space | 17:31 |
| czajkowski | flocculant: excellent | 17:31 |
| dholbach | are you happy with the feedback you've been getting in the last time? | 17:32 |
| mhall119 | sakrecoer: Facebook has the most eyeballs, so that's not surprising | 17:32 |
| sakrecoer | i'm not ancient enough to say if it is more or less feedback. but i hear from zequence that he noted a raise in the average activity/interaction | 17:33 |
| dholbach | ok, cool | 17:34 |
| mhall119 | our of curiousity, what do you guys use most for your regular team communication, is it IRC, emails, something else? | 17:34 |
| hggdh | good | 17:34 |
| sakrecoer | i would say mailing list, then irc. | 17:34 |
| Rosco2 | +1 | 17:34 |
| mhall119 | cool | 17:35 |
| dholbach | do you have anything you'd like the CC to help you with? or any questions you have for us? | 17:35 |
| dholbach | because I have run out of questions now :-) | 17:35 |
| Rosco2 | I have nothing | 17:35 |
| mhall119 | How does your team feel about the overall direction that Ubuntu is taking and how Studio fits into that? | 17:35 |
| sakrecoer | :) we could need a hand with promotion, especially on recruiting team-members | 17:35 |
| dholbach | does ubuntu studio have a page on community.ubuntu.com? maybe we could add something there | 17:36 |
| sakrecoer | it is difficult to speak for the hole team, but i think everyone involved and active is pretty happy about the project | 17:36 |
| czajkowski | that's really good to hear | 17:36 |
| czajkowski | but also if you do have any items we can help just let us know | 17:37 |
| dholbach | yes, the door's always open :) | 17:37 |
| Rosco2 | Thanks | 17:37 |
| sakrecoer | the documentation needs update in many areas. | 17:37 |
| mhall119 | sakrecoer: as for helping with promotion, we can re-share things on FB, Twittere and G+ if you let us know about them | 17:37 |
| mhall119 | "we" being dholbach and myself | 17:37 |
| flocculant | welcome to ubuntu land :p | 17:38 |
| flocculant | doesn't it always :) | 17:38 |
| dholbach | and keep up the good work! :) | 17:38 |
| mhall119 | that's the one consistent trait when it comes to documentation, it always needs to be updated :) | 17:38 |
| sakrecoer | for example, it is difficult to find a comprehensive howto, on how to pull in the ubuntustudio packages into another ubuntu flavour. | 17:38 |
| dholbach | you could ask a question like that on ubuntu-devel@lists.u.c - I'm sure there are folks who could help you with that | 17:39 |
| sakrecoer | details like that, that we can sort out on our own, but being few makes it complicated: hence PR on team recruiting would do miracles, i believe | 17:39 |
| dholbach | right :) | 17:39 |
| sakrecoer | dholbach, i will try that :) | 17:39 |
| dholbach | just give us a ping | 17:39 |
| mhall119 | sakrecoer: in the past we've had success by dedicating a specific hour or two on a specific day to being on IRC and helping new contributors get started. If people know when and where you will be, they tend to come :) | 17:39 |
| dholbach | thanks a lot sakrecoer and Rosco2! | 17:39 |
| dholbach | sgclark, marcoceppi, czajkowski, mhall119, belkinsa, hggdh: any more questions from you? | 17:40 |
| Rosco2 | cheers all | 17:40 |
| hggdh | none from me | 17:40 |
| sgclark | none from me | 17:40 |
| mhall119 | not from me | 17:40 |
| hggdh | Rosco2, sakrecoer: tahnk you for your work | 17:40 |
| mhall119 | thank you all and keep up the fantastic work on Ubuntu Studio | 17:41 |
| sgclark | thanks for your work | 17:41 |
| dholbach | :-) | 17:41 |
| dholbach | #topic Catching up with the Xubuntu team | 17:41 |
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| dholbach | hello flocculant - how are you doing? | 17:41 |
| dholbach | anyone else from the Xubuntu team? | 17:41 |
| flocculant | ok thanks | 17:42 |
| dholbach | how are things in the Xubuntu team? | 17:42 |
| flocculant | ok thanks - not much change anyway :) | 17:43 |
| dholbach | so you're stabilising things for the LTS? | 17:43 |
| flocculant | oh - krytarik is about but hiding ... | 17:43 |
| flocculant | dholbach: we're trying :D | 17:43 |
| dholbach | krytarik: welcome :) | 17:43 |
| krytarik | Hi. :P | 17:43 |
| flocculant | the software centre change or not change isn't helping tbh | 17:44 |
| mhall119 | flocculant: having any problems with getting things stabilized? | 17:44 |
| dholbach | flocculant: are you in touch with the desktop team about this? | 17:44 |
| flocculant | it would be nice to know if *you* are changing so we have something to base our decision on | 17:44 |
| flocculant | dholbach: ochosi is - and I'm in channel following too | 17:44 |
| mhall119 | afaik the Unity desktop will be changing | 17:44 |
| sgclark | they are changing as I understand | 17:45 |
| flocculant | though recent discussions didn't appear too positive - so ... | 17:45 |
| flocculant | sgclark: well yes - but if you see discussions - not quite so clear cut | 17:45 |
| mhall119 | flocculant: willcooke should be able to give you a definitive answer | 17:45 |
| flocculant | tbh - if usc is still there - we might just still use it anyway | 17:45 |
| mhall119 | flocculant: did Xubuntu use USC previously? | 17:45 |
| sgclark | ok, guess I missed them sorry | 17:45 |
| dholbach | right, that makes sense | 17:45 |
| flocculant | :) | 17:46 |
| flocculant | sgclark: I tend to watch the channel for chat on it :) | 17:46 |
| dholbach | if you want we can put you in touch and maybe help with organising a catchup with the desktop folks and make sure you're aware of new developments | 17:46 |
| mhall119 | the downside is that USC doesn't support the new Snappy store | 17:46 |
| flocculant | dholbach: I think that we're talking to them anyway about it | 17:46 |
| sgclark | sounds like a good move forward dholbach | 17:46 |
| flocculant | s/think/know | 17:46 |
| dholbach | flocculant: ok... if you're in touch already, that's great | 17:47 |
| mhall119 | flocculant: are they aware that the uncertainty is causing the Xubuntu team problems? | 17:47 |
| dholbach | I just wanted to make sure that communication is at least going fine | 17:47 |
| flocculant | the fonts-droid thing is the latest - oh god really :| thing :) | 17:47 |
| flocculant | dholbach: yep - we're cool | 17:47 |
| flocculant | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2016-February/039159.html | 17:47 |
| flocculant | our current position is "<ochosi> bluesabre, knome: cant we raise our concern with the LTS->LTS upgrade path? i mean if they at least keep the pkg around for another cycle that'd be great, and maintenance for a font package is zerrrro" | 17:48 |
| dholbach | hum... isn't there a drop-in replacement for the package? | 17:48 |
| dholbach | that's at least how I understood the discussion | 17:48 |
| flocculant | yea and it looks rather meh to us | 17:49 |
| flocculant | so we're in the middle of trying to decide what to do about that as well | 17:49 |
| dholbach | ok | 17:49 |
| mhall119 | was droid-fonts used in the default Xubuntu setup? | 17:50 |
| dholbach | it might be a good idea to follow up on the thread and point out that the replacement doesn't work so well for Xubuntu | 17:50 |
| dholbach | just so others start looking at it too | 17:50 |
| flocculant | yep - that's all being discussed currently - we're not likely to post anywhere pre-emptively | 17:50 |
| flocculant | other than me telling you all :D | 17:50 |
| dholbach | ok | 17:51 |
| flocculant | which leaves our main problem this cycle to last ;) | 17:51 |
| flocculant | https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/ubuntu-cdimage/xubuntu-core/+merge/268167 | 17:51 |
| flocculant | which we've been trying to get sorted for quite some time now | 17:52 |
| dholbach | so slangasek is not authoritative enough? or what's the problem? | 17:52 |
| dholbach | or are there different opinions in the CD team about it? | 17:53 |
| mhall119 | flocculant: is there some mis-communication going on here? Maybe having a video chat with slangasek and xnox would help clear things up | 17:53 |
| dholbach | or bring it up with the TB | 17:53 |
| flocculant | dholbach: you need to check the IRC log in the last comment | 17:53 |
| flocculant | http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2016/01/06/%23ubuntu-devel.html#t17:23 | 17:53 |
| dholbach | flocculant: right... I didn't click on it as I wasn't sure if I was expected to read 6892048697426 lines of irc log :-) | 17:53 |
| flocculant | ha ha ha | 17:53 |
| flocculant | *my* problem of course being if it lands - but lands really late - then I'll not be signing it off from QA pov | 17:54 |
| flocculant | I think mhall119 has had some input on it at some point | 17:54 |
| mhall119 | I brought it back up with slangasek and team, but I don't have any input on it myself | 17:55 |
| xnox | ochosi, flocculant - removing a font, and using a different makes a zilch of a difference for LTS->LTS upgrade. | 17:55 |
| flocculant | I don't actually expect anything to get done by you all now ofc - you just want to know what's going on | 17:55 |
| xnox | thus i don't see what the problem is. | 17:55 |
| dholbach | I would send a mail to the TB asking them to take a look at it and to help landing it soon. | 17:55 |
| mhall119 | but I think this might just be miscommunication that could be cleared up with a real-time chat like a hangout | 17:55 |
| flocculant | dholbach: anyway - I'm pushed for time - those are our issues currently - everything else is ticking over nicely | 17:56 |
| mhall119 | slangasek: xnox: Would you be up for a hangout with knome or others in Xubuntu dev to clear this up? | 17:56 |
| dholbach | thanks a lot for going into detail | 17:56 |
| slangasek | mhall119: no, that doesn't help anything | 17:56 |
| slangasek | there are MPs that need reviewing | 17:56 |
| flocculant | xnox: afaik - the issue is the drop-in replacement doesn't look nice :) but I'm not 'arty' by any means | 17:56 |
| xnox | ochosi, flocculant, dholbach - two people, slangasek and myself indicated to use "desktop" for small, and "dvd" for big images. in a clear manner, with no code to follow. | 17:57 |
| mhall119 | slangasek: reviewed by whom? | 17:57 |
| slangasek | mhall119: the ubuntu-cdimage team (which includes myself and infinity) | 17:57 |
| xnox | slangasek, your comment https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/ubuntu-cdimage/xubuntu-core/+merge/268167/comments/691226 is not fixed. | 17:57 |
| mhall119 | slangasek: ok, can those get a priority bump so that the Xubuntu team has time to get their QA stuff done for the LTS release? | 17:57 |
| flocculant | xnox: I just brought it up for the CC - I've not the technical knowhow nor time to get into that now | 17:58 |
| slangasek | xnox: there were subsequent IRC discussions that you were not a part of | 17:58 |
| slangasek | xnox: and other MPs have been raised | 17:58 |
| flocculant | slangasek: that being the MATE thing? | 17:58 |
| flocculant | guessing ... | 17:58 |
| xnox | flocculant, i think said font will drop to universe and (will rot there) =) you are free to take any artistic direction you want, and we have a tonne of packages in ubuntu, that have been removed in debian. | 17:58 |
| * ogra_ thought he saw one that renamed it to xubuntu-base ... or is that unrelated ? | 17:58 | |
| slangasek | flocculant: yes | 17:58 |
| xnox | flocculant, so if you want to keep using it.... keep using it. it's just a font. | 17:59 |
| flocculant | slangasek: ta :) | 17:59 |
| mhall119 | flocculant: slangasek: ok, if you guys can keep this progressing that would be great, otherwise please bring the CC back into the discussion if things become blocked or stall | 17:59 |
| xnox | slangasek, ah, ok. | 17:59 |
| flocculant | anyway - really got to go now - kids landing and apparently starving :) | 17:59 |
| flocculant | thanks dholbach et al | 17:59 |
| dholbach | thanks flocculant for the quick update | 17:59 |
| mhall119 | thank you flocculant | 17:59 |
| flocculant | welcome :) | 17:59 |
| dholbach | please let us know if we can help | 18:00 |
| flocculant | yep - we know where you are :) | 18:00 |
| dholbach | thanks! :) | 18:00 |
| dholbach | #topic Any other business | 18:00 |
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| dholbach | Does anyone have any other business? | 18:00 |
| mhall119 | not I | 18:00 |
| hggdh | nope | 18:00 |
| sgclark | I have nothing at this time | 18:00 |
| dholbach | ok cool - I have nothing to add either | 18:01 |
| dholbach | thanks a lot everyone and have great rest of your day! :-) | 18:01 |
| dholbach | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Thu Feb 4 18:01:23 2016 UTC. | 18:01 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-02-04-17.00.moin.txt | 18:01 |
| sakrecoer | thank you! :) | 18:02 |
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| elacheche_anis | Am late, sorry :( | 19:22 |
| sarnold | elacheche_anis: no one's said anything for an hour and twenty minutes | 19:23 |
| elacheche_anis | ah! | 19:25 |
| sarnold | elacheche_anis: was this the meeting you wanted? http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-02-04-17.00.moin.txt ? | 19:26 |
| elacheche_anis | No sarnold.. It's the membership board meeting.. We have 2 meetings tonight, one by 20UTC and the other 22UTC.. I just wakked up my laptop from sleep mode and it was steel showing last night's time, so I thought I'm late x) | 19:31 |
| sarnold | elacheche_anis: hooray :) | 19:31 |
| elacheche_anis | :) | 19:33 |
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| wxl | there we go. now we're in the same window. | 21:15 |
| Kilos | hmm... | 21:15 |
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| elacheche_anis | m-10 | 21:50 |
| tsimonq2 | hello everybody, I'm ready when the board is | 21:56 |
| teward | tsimonq2: 'when the board is' ? | 21:56 |
| tsimonq2 | teward: membership board :P | 21:56 |
| wxl | teward: you shush it. this is none of your concern. now gimme all your coffee. :) | 21:57 |
| marcoceppi | we'll start at the top of the hour | 21:57 |
| jcastro | woo midwest! | 21:57 |
| wxl | sounds good | 21:57 |
| tsimonq2 | :D | 21:57 |
| elacheche_anis | wxl: you share that coffee dude :D | 21:57 |
| tsimonq2 | just got home, be back at the top of the hour :) | 21:57 |
| * wxl shares teward's coffee with everyone, except for teward | 21:58 | |
| * genii makes sure everyone gets a mug of coffee | 21:58 | |
| wxl | tsimonq2: you got 2 minutes. | 21:58 |
| * teward steals wxl's money again | 21:58 | |
| Kilos | genii | 21:58 |
| genii | Hi Kilos :) | 21:58 |
| Kilos | dont forget me | 21:58 |
| * teward takes the money and invests all of it in Canonical and Ubuntu Server | 21:58 | |
| * teward then runs away | 21:58 | |
| teward | (BTW, wxl and I kid around with each other all the time, pay no attention :) ) | 21:58 |
| * teward lurks | 21:58 | |
| elacheche_anis | :D | 21:59 |
| tsimonq2 | out of curiosity, who from the board is here? | 21:59 |
| Kilos | many | 22:00 |
| tsimonq2 | Kilos: good :) | 22:00 |
| wxl | yeah there's a horde of us | 22:00 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: top of the hour! | 22:00 |
| teward | there's also the agents of evil too | 22:00 |
| tsimonq2 | :P :D | 22:00 |
| wxl | k marcoceppi you're on | 22:00 |
| teward | so you get their agents lurking >:D | 22:00 |
| * balloons envisions raging orcs rushing towards him | 22:00 | |
| * teward lurks again | 22:00 | |
| tsimonq2 | teward: XD | 22:00 |
| marcoceppi | #startmeeting 2200 UTC Ubuntu Membership Board | 22:01 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Thu Feb 4 22:01:04 2016 UTC. The chair is marcoceppi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 22:01 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 22:01 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | 2200 UTC Ubuntu Membership Board Meeting | Current topic: | ||
| marcoceppi | Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board for the 2200 UTC meeting for February 4, 2016. | 22:01 |
| marcoceppi | The wiki page for the Review Board is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards | 22:01 |
| marcoceppi | We will attempt to get through all of the applicants that have added themselves to that list before today's meeting. If we are unable to make it through the entire list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off. | 22:01 |
| marcoceppi | The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO). | 22:01 |
| marcoceppi | Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions. | 22:01 |
| marcoceppi | During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote. | 22:01 |
| marcoceppi | When the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the sum of those numbers amounts to at least +1, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!) | 22:01 |
| marcoceppi | Since there's only one applicant this should be a straight forward process | 22:02 |
| marcoceppi | #votesrequired 4 | 22:02 |
| meetingology | votes now need 4 to be passed | 22:02 |
| marcoceppi | #voters cyphermox Pendulum jared freeflying popey rickspencer3 marcoceppi Destine iulian IdleOne hggdh cwayne belkinsa PabloRubianes jcastro | 22:02 |
| meetingology | Warning: Nick not in channel: Pendulum | 22:02 |
| meetingology | Warning: Nick not in channel: jared | 22:02 |
| meetingology | Warning: Nick not in channel: rickspencer3 | 22:02 |
| meetingology | Warning: Nick not in channel: Destine | 22:02 |
| meetingology | Warning: Nick not in channel: iulian | 22:02 |
| meetingology | Warning: Nick not in channel: IdleOne | 22:02 |
| meetingology | Warning: Nick not in channel: cwayne | 22:02 |
| meetingology | Warning: Nick not in channel: belkinsa | 22:02 |
| meetingology | Current voters: Destine IdleOne PabloRubianes Pendulum belkinsa cwayne cyphermox freeflying hggdh iulian jared jcastro marcoceppi popey rickspencer3 | 22:02 |
| Kilos | hey | 22:02 |
| marcoceppi | #voters Kilos | 22:03 |
| meetingology | Current voters: Destine IdleOne Kilos PabloRubianes Pendulum belkinsa cwayne cyphermox freeflying hggdh iulian jared jcastro marcoceppi popey rickspencer3 | 22:03 |
| marcoceppi | #voters elacheche_anis | 22:03 |
| meetingology | Current voters: Destine IdleOne Kilos PabloRubianes Pendulum belkinsa cwayne cyphermox elacheche_anis freeflying hggdh iulian jared jcastro marcoceppi popey rickspencer3 | 22:03 |
| elacheche_anis | :) | 22:03 |
| tsimonq2 | uhh wxl? | 22:03 |
| wxl | o/ | 22:03 |
| marcoceppi | #voters wxl | 22:03 |
| meetingology | Current voters: Destine IdleOne Kilos PabloRubianes Pendulum belkinsa cwayne cyphermox elacheche_anis freeflying hggdh iulian jared jcastro marcoceppi popey rickspencer3 wxl | 22:03 |
| wxl | did we miss anyone else? | 22:03 |
| marcoceppi | Wow that was a terrible paste job, sorry everyone | 22:03 |
| Kilos | one short | 22:04 |
| Kilos | postpone till next year | 22:04 |
| wxl | yes we do | 22:04 |
| cyphermox | err, not sure I should still be in the voters list | 22:04 |
| wxl | i also heard from hggdh on irc (his vote), but he also said he'd be here | 22:05 |
| teward | I was going to say there's a potential Conflict of INterest with regards to wxl voting, but he's cleared it up, obviously he knows to preempt my questions xD | 22:05 |
| tsimonq2 | :) | 22:05 |
| wxl | that conflict of interest being that i've worked directly with tsimonq2 and mentored him quite a bit | 22:05 |
| wxl | for the record | 22:05 |
| teward | yep | 22:05 |
| marcoceppi | Okay, so | 22:05 |
| teward | i wasn't going to voice them, i was going to eat them | 22:05 |
| marcoceppi | Now, without any further ado, lets get started with the first applicant... | 22:05 |
| marcoceppi | #subtopic tsimonq2 | 22:06 |
| marcoceppi | #topic tsimonq2 | 22:06 |
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| tsimonq2 | (let me know when to jump in :) ) | 22:06 |
| marcoceppi | tsimonq2: please introduce yourself and supply us links to your application/wiki and lp! | 22:06 |
| * wxl hands the microphone to tsimonq2 | 22:06 | |
| tsimonq2 | Wiki Page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/tsimonq2 , Launchpad: https://launchpad.net/~tsimonq2 , Ubuntu US Wisconsin LoCo Team Wiki Page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WisconsinTeam | 22:06 |
| tsimonq2 | My name is Simon Quigley (tsimonq2) and I am from Wisconsin, USA. I am currently 13 years old(I turn 14 in March of 2016). I have been interested in computers for the past few years, and I started using Ubuntu in February 2015. My contributions started in late July after asking a question on a Lubuntu IRC channel and meeting friendly people. My forms of contribution include but are not limited to: Package and ISO QA, Ubuntu Weekly | 22:06 |
| tsimonq2 | I hope you look favorably upon my application for Ubuntu Membership. If you have any questions/comments/concerns please let me know. Thank you. | 22:06 |
| * teward raises his hand. | 22:07 | |
| teward | hindsight demands me to revise my testimonial slightly | 22:07 |
| teward | or rather, to clarify it slightly | 22:07 |
| teward | last-minute due to time constraints on my schedule prevented this statement. I acknowledge tsimonq2's contributions are exceptionally substantial, and that I am not making statements to the contrary. He has also shown substantial improvement in his professionalism. | 22:08 |
| Kilos | ty teward | 22:09 |
| teward | However, missing from my testimonial is that, while extrememly substantial, and 'somewhat' sustained, I would prefer to have seen slightly longer timeframe of contributions. That said, I keep my testimonial at a +1, on a contingency of him shoing sustained contributions | 22:09 |
| teward | Kilos: i wasn't 100% complete, sorry | 22:09 |
| Kilos | np | 22:09 |
| teward | s/shoing/showing/ | 22:09 |
| teward | (wxl knows this was one of my concerns previously) | 22:09 |
| * wxl nods | 22:10 | |
| jcastro | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/testers | 22:10 |
| teward | I did, however, want to make that concern remain known here, with regards to my testimonial. | 22:10 |
| jcastro | ^^^ that is pretty incredible | 22:10 |
| tsimonq2 | thank you jcastro :P | 22:10 |
| tsimonq2 | s/:P/:)/ | 22:10 |
| marcoceppi | tsimonq2: what are you looking to get into next in the community? | 22:11 |
| tsimonq2 | marcoceppi: development. do you need elaboration on that? | 22:12 |
| * balloons can tell tsimonq2 has been quite busy testing images | 22:12 | |
| marcoceppi | tsimonq2: development, like apps, phone, snaps? or just in general | 22:12 |
| tsimonq2 | marcoceppi: I also plan on continuing existing contributions | 22:12 |
| tsimonq2 | marcoceppi: looking at becoming a Contributing Developer | 22:12 |
| tsimonq2 | although I am curious about snaps/Ubuntu Touch as well | 22:13 |
| marcoceppi | they are pretty neat, imo | 22:13 |
| tsimonq2 | marcoceppi: maybe you can teach me XD | 22:13 |
| marcoceppi | :) | 22:13 |
| marcoceppi | any other questions for tsimonq2? | 22:14 |
| * teward has one | 22:14 | |
| teward | though i'm not on the MB | 22:14 |
| marcoceppi | feel free to ask | 22:15 |
| elacheche_anis | No questions here :) teward go ahead :) | 22:15 |
| teward | tsimonq2: you state that you're looking into getting into development. A lot of development also involves bug work and triage, and I know you have some exposure to that in the ISO testing, do you plan on looking even more into bug triage as part of your development endeavors? And if so, do you intend to look into actively helping with general bug triage as well? | 22:15 |
| jcastro | no questions from me, I feel like your work pretty much speaks for itself | 22:15 |
| teward | I only ask, given my exposure to Server Development co-requiring bug work :P | 22:15 |
| tsimonq2 | well I am part of the Bug Squad | 22:15 |
| tsimonq2 | didn't put that in there :) | 22:15 |
| tsimonq2 | teward: but one of my goals is to continue with that, yes | 22:15 |
| teward | cool, I look forward to seeing you continue to excel there, and to see you continue on with your endeavors. | 22:16 |
| teward | No other questions from me :) | 22:16 |
| * teward goes back into silent lurking mode | 22:16 | |
| tsimonq2 | marcoceppi: not to be pushy or anything, but I just want to make sure this was looked at: https://launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/+participation | 22:16 |
| * elacheche_anis is ready to vote. | 22:16 | |
| marcoceppi | Unless there's any other questions, lets put it to a vote! | 22:17 |
| marcoceppi | #vote tsimonq2 | 22:17 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: tsimonq2 | 22:17 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) | 22:17 |
| wxl | +1 keep up the good work! | 22:17 |
| meetingology | +1 keep up the good work! received from wxl | 22:17 |
| Kilos | +1 keep it up laddy | 22:17 |
| meetingology | +1 keep it up laddy received from Kilos | 22:17 |
| elacheche_anis | +1 | 22:17 |
| meetingology | +1 received from elacheche_anis | 22:17 |
| jcastro | +1 no brainer, you're pretty awesome | 22:17 |
| meetingology | +1 no brainer, you're pretty awesome received from jcastro | 22:17 |
| marcoceppi | +1 | 22:17 |
| meetingology | +1 received from marcoceppi | 22:17 |
| marcoceppi | #endvote | 22:18 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: tsimonq2 | 22:18 |
| meetingology | Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 | 22:18 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 22:18 |
| balloons | congrats tsimonq2! | 22:18 |
| tsimonq2 | thank you all :D :D :D | 22:18 |
| Kilos | tsimonq2 welcome on board | 22:18 |
| marcoceppi | congrats, welcome! | 22:18 |
| wxl | added to members; wiki page changed | 22:18 |
| wxl | congrats, tsimonq2 ! | 22:18 |
| elacheche_anis | congrats tsimonq2 | 22:18 |
| elacheche_anis | :) | 22:18 |
| tsimonq2 | thank you to the board :) | 22:18 |
| marcoceppi | this concludes the queue of applicants for today, unless there's any other business we are done | 22:19 |
| Kilos | ty for chairing marcoceppi | 22:19 |
| elacheche_anis | Thanks marcoceppi :) | 22:19 |
| wxl | thanks marcoceppi and board | 22:19 |
| marcoceppi | thank you Kilos wxl elacheche_anis jcastro for your attendance, thank you for the testimonials, and welcome tsimonq2 | 22:19 |
| marcoceppi | #endmeeting | 22:19 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ||
| meetingology | Meeting ended Thu Feb 4 22:19:52 2016 UTC. | 22:19 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-02-04-22.01.moin.txt | 22:19 |
| tsimonq2 | thanks marcoceppi :D | 22:19 |
| wxl | can someone email uwn? | 22:20 |
| wxl | ok i guess i'm emailing uwn since everyone's going to sleep :) | 22:21 |
| marcoceppi | wxl: <3 | 22:21 |
| wxl | well you did chair, marcoceppi, so.. :) | 22:22 |
| Kilos | night all | 22:22 |
| * marcoceppi rumages around for that email | 22:22 | |
| wxl | no i mean i'll do it :) | 22:22 |
| wxl | besides i got it handy | 22:22 |
| marcoceppi | wxl: oh <3 | 22:22 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: Paul White? already knows, he pinged me on #ubuntu-news | 22:22 |
| wxl | tsimonq2: he said he'll add you "when the membership board email arrives" | 22:23 |
| PaulW2U | But UWN still needs an email :) | 22:23 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: ahh okay, thanks for clarifying :) | 22:23 |
| elacheche_anis | One of the board members will send that :) | 22:24 |
| elacheche_anis | wxl marcoceppi who'll send the mail to the news team? :D Otherwise I'll send it tomorrow morning (it's almost midnight here) | 22:25 |
| wxl | email sent | 22:25 |
| elacheche_anis | thank you boss | 22:25 |
| hggdh | darn! | 22:30 |
| tsimonq2 | hggdh: ? | 22:31 |
| hggdh | tsimonq2: I wanted to be in for your application | 22:31 |
| tsimonq2 | hggdh: okay, well I got it :D | 22:31 |
| hggdh | tsimonq2: not that would make much of a difference, I was +1 already :-) | 22:31 |
| tsimonq2 | :) | 22:31 |
| hggdh | tsimonq2: so... welcome in! | 22:31 |
| tsimonq2 | thanks hggdh | 22:32 |
| tsimonq2 | :) | 22:32 |
| hggdh | tsimonq2: believe me, the pleasure is mine (and ours, for the Membership Board) | 22:33 |
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