[01:15] <cmaloney> greets
[01:15] <Zimdale> groots
[01:15] <hpucks> ello
[01:28] <mrgoodcat> govna
[01:28] <mrgoodcat> sry i didn't make chc tonight
[01:31] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: THat's OK. WE only put it on your permanent record
[01:32] <mrgoodcat> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[01:56] <mrgoodcat> who was it that came last week?
[01:56] <cmaloney> I came
[01:56] <cmaloney> Rick and Matt were here
[01:56] <cmaloney> and now it's just me
[02:04] <mrgoodcat> i was wondering who the guy sitting next to me was
[02:04] <mrgoodcat> github posted a postmortem of the downtime we were experiencing and I thought he might be interested
[02:04] <Zimdale> Is that the downtime the other night?
[02:05] <Zimdale> Where it was down for a good 2-4 hours
[02:05] <mrgoodcat> 2 hours and 6 minutes
[02:06] <mrgoodcat> last wednesday night
[02:06] <Zimdale> What caused it becuase it fucked up my night
[02:06] <mrgoodcat> https://github.com/blog/2106-january-28th-incident-report
[02:06] <mrgoodcat> power failure
[02:06] <Zimdale> ah
[02:06] <mrgoodcat> and some unexptected cascading failures due to a firmware bug in a certain model of server
[02:07] <mrgoodcat> then their services weren't coming back up because the startup scripts depended on redis being up
[02:07] <mrgoodcat> but the scripts were supposed to be starting redis
[02:07] <Zimdale> ha
[02:07] <cmaloney> Ah, the ol' single point of failure bug
[02:07] <Zimdale> It's a hard bug to prevent
[02:08] <mrgoodcat> it's interesting how so many things went wrong though
[02:08] <Zimdale> That's usually how it works
[02:08] <Zimdale> everything has to go wrong at once to bring down the world, otherwise nobody notices it
[02:10] <mrgoodcat> power failure, some servers did not recognize their drives after a power cycle, the startup scripts depended on the things they were starting, the frontend servers didn't properly recognize that the backend services were down, and the team chat services were down because they were on the same servers as the github backend (which was difficult to troubleshoot in a coordinated manner without chat)
[02:10] <mrgoodcat> thats a LOT of things all at once
[02:14] <Zimdale> bad day for the github employees
[02:15] <mrgoodcat> yea
[02:15] <mrgoodcat> i've seen a few failures but nothing on that scale
[02:15] <mrgoodcat> obviously by scale i don't mean number of users
[02:15] <mrgoodcat> well that too
[02:15] <mrgoodcat> but
[02:16] <mrgoodcat> i have yet to have that hellish failure where services aren't coming back up and people are trying to use them and hardware is failing and and and and and
[02:16] <Zimdale> Least it's not as bad as when us-east went down on aws, that was a blast
[02:18] <mrgoodcat> heh
[02:18] <mrgoodcat> nobody ever got fired for going with -ibm- amazon
[02:18] <Zimdale> ibm amazon?
[02:18] <mrgoodcat> was meant to be a strikethrough
[02:19] <mrgoodcat> nobody has ever gotten fired for going with ibm
[02:19] <mrgoodcat> you've never heard anybody say that?
[02:19] <Zimdale> nope
[02:19] <Zimdale> I feel like most should get fired for going with IBM >.>
[02:19] <mrgoodcat> heh
[02:19] <mrgoodcat> well not at the time that saying became popular
[02:20] <Zimdale> I probably didn't exist when that saying was popular
[02:20] <Zimdale> like in the 80s?
[02:20] <mrgoodcat> one of my dad's friends is a regional sales manager for cisco and he was the first person to let me in on that saying
[02:20] <mrgoodcat> its ok i didn't exist either
[02:20] <mrgoodcat> its a story for old men
[02:20] <mrgoodcat> i bet cmaloney has heard it
[02:20] <mrgoodcat> no offense meant to cmaloney of course
[02:21] <mrgoodcat> IBM is also the originating force behind the FUD acronym
[02:21] <Zimdale> FUD?
[02:21] <mrgoodcat> gene amdahl coined the phrase after leaving ibm
[02:21] <mrgoodcat> fear uncertainty and doubt
[02:22] <mrgoodcat> as in "microsoft is spreading FUD about linux and open source projects in order to promote its own interests"
[02:22] <Zimdale> ah
[02:23] <cmaloney> I haven't heard them put Amazon in there
[02:23] <cmaloney> but I've heard the IBM thing
[02:23] <mrgoodcat> "FUD is the fear, uncertainty, and doubt that IBM sales people instill in the minds of potential customers who might be considering Amdahl products." -Gene Amdahl 1975
[02:23] <cmaloney> in anecdotes
[02:23] <cmaloney> I'm not that fucking old. :)
[02:23] <mrgoodcat> lol
[02:23] <mrgoodcat> i'm 23 so old is >25
[02:24] <cmaloney> Oh, how I shall disabuse you of that notion
[02:25] <mrgoodcat> another of my favorites is "youth and speed are no match for old age and treachery"
[02:25] <Zimdale> Aren't you like 50 cmaloney?
[02:34] <cmaloney> No. I'm not that old
[02:34] <cmaloney> I was born in the 1970s
[02:34] <cmaloney> same year that Rush formed.
[02:34] <cmaloney> Er, no... scratch that
[02:34] <cmaloney> They formed in 1968
[02:35] <cmaloney> But the official first group was the year I was born
[02:35] <cmaloney> Rutsey, Lifeson, and Lee
[02:36] <Zimdale> I was born when the simpsons started
[02:36] <jrwren> babies!!!
[02:36] <jrwren> 'cept cmaloney
[02:36] <cmaloney> So was my sister-in-law
[02:36] <jrwren> cmaloney is a proper age
[02:36] <cmaloney> That's right
[02:36] <cmaloney> proper-like
[02:37] <cmaloney> Fetch me my proper slippers and my proper glass of port
[02:40] <jrwren> oooooh! I do like port.
[02:40] <cmaloney> You may have port as well
[02:40] <cmaloney> proper-like
[02:40] <jrwren> that is the wierd thing about getting old... is all these young adults running around :p
[02:41] <cmaloney> heh
[02:41] <Zimdale> Depends on the port and if it's aerated
[02:41] <cmaloney> Dow's Ruby Red Porto
[02:41] <cmaloney> accept no inferior substitutes
[02:41] <Zimdale> I definitely lean towards cabernet over port
[02:41] <cmaloney> I prefer Merlots and Shiraz
[02:42] <cmaloney> but Cabernet is OK
[02:42] <jrwren> couldn't you make port with cab?
[02:43] <Zimdale> No idea
[02:43] <Zimdale> don't know THAT much about wine, must come with age
[02:43] <Zimdale> ;)
[02:43] <_stink_> zing!
[02:56] <jrwren> port is wine fortified with brandy
[02:57] <mrgoodcat> and yes you can make port with cab
[02:57] <mrgoodcat> shiraz is best wine
[02:58] <Zimdale> I like catawba grape wine but they are hard to find =(
[13:40] <cmaloney> Good morning
[13:40] <rick_h__> party
[13:41] <cmaloney> How are things on the not-here part of the world?
[13:41] <rick_h__> good, chilly here in Rome
[13:41] <cmaloney> What's the temps?
[13:41] <cmaloney> Current conditions at Detroit City Airport, MI (KDET)
[13:41] <cmaloney> Last updated Feb 04, 2016 - 07:53 AM EST / 2016.02.04 1253 UTC
[13:41] <rick_h__> but had a nice photo tour this morning and resting my tired feets
[13:41] <cmaloney>    Temperature: 32.0 F (0.0 C)
[13:41] <cmaloney>    Relative Humidity: 72%
[13:41] <cmaloney>    Wind: from the W (270 degrees) at 5 MPH (4 KT)
[13:41] <cmaloney>    Sky conditions: overcast
[13:41] <cmaloney>    Precipitation last hour: A trace
[13:41] <cmaloney> Awesome
[13:42] <cmaloney> looking forward to seeing hte results. :)
[13:42] <rick_h__> so it's 50ish with 20-30mph winds
[13:42] <rick_h__> but only brought a rain coat because don't need muh of a coat above 40 imo
[13:42] <cmaloney> That's not too bad
[13:42] <cmaloney> Ah, that's no fun
[13:42] <rick_h__> but the wind made it chilly at times where I wish I'd had a hat
[13:42] <rick_h__> bald heads != insulation :)_
[13:42] <cmaloney> Heh
[13:43] <cmaloney> I'm starting to realize that.
[17:20] <cmaloney> I really wish the Ubuntu tablet wasn't named Aquarius
[17:20] <cmaloney> for probably the dumbest reason imaginable
[17:21] <cmaloney> Mattel had an ill-fated computer called the Aquarius
[17:21] <cmaloney> it was under-powered, incompatible with their console, and was widely considered a flop
[17:21] <cmaloney> again, dumb reason, but that's where my head went
[17:23] <hpucks> huh.  that's interesting.  are they actually producing hardware or just a tablet build?
[17:23] <hpucks> This is relevant to my interests since I run Ubuntu on a Surface Pro 3.
[17:23] <cmaloney> I think they're contracting it out but don't have the details
[17:23] <hpucks> ah
[17:25] <cmaloney> Taht said I'd be quite surprised if Canonical had enough $$ to fund building a tablet / production from scratch
[17:28] <jrwren> afaik that is all BQ
[17:29] <greg-g> BQ?
[17:29] <cmaloney> BBQ
[17:29] <greg-g> Burger Queen?
[17:30] <cmaloney> It's part of the OMGWTFBBQ alliance
[17:30] <jrwren> greg-g: http://www.bq.com/es/ubuntu.html
[17:30] <greg-g> gotcha
[17:31] <cmaloney> "We are BQ"
[17:31] <cmaloney> Well, that clears things up
[17:31] <cmaloney> http://www.bq.com/uk/corporate-info
[17:31] <cmaloney> Can't tell if official site or Onion
[17:32] <jrwren> lol
[17:32] <cmaloney> Seriously, someone got the "show some attitude" knob and ratcheted it to absurdity
[17:33] <jrwren> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mundo_Reader
[17:34] <jrwren> so in the US, i equate them to those $30 cody CVS tablets
[17:35] <cmaloney> That's... not a ringing endorsement. :)
[17:35] <jrwren> exactly
[17:36] <cmaloney> I'll just be happy if I see an Ubuntu device in my lifetime that isn't in the hands of a Canonical employee
[17:37] <jrwren> cmaloney: me too
[17:38] <cmaloney> Like seeing an Apple Lisa in the wild with Twiggy Drives
[17:38] <cmaloney> boy can dream
[17:41] <jrwren> i remember when a buddy found a room full of lisa's in a closet at OU. It was 2002 or 2003
[17:42] <cmaloney> Daaaaamn
[17:42] <jrwren> yup
[17:42] <jrwren> most of them booted.
[17:42] <cmaloney> I don't think I could have stopped hyperventilating
[17:42] <jrwren> he was VERY excited.
[17:43] <jrwren> i said, "Waht is a lisa?"
[17:43] <jrwren> I had no idea.
[17:43] <jrwren> once I understood what they were, I was in awe
[17:43] <cmaloney> Yeah, its one of the holy grails of computing
[17:43] <cmaloney> A Macintosh without Steve Jobs
[17:44] <jrwren> apple was so different then. ipod has just come out, there was no music store. The story was to rip it yourself.
[17:44] <jrwren> so the apple fables weren't popular back then.
[17:45] <jrwren> no one knew ipod was going to be huge, even a year after its launch
[17:45] <cmaloney> I like to think I knew
[17:45] <cmaloney> but I was softer on Apple back then
[17:45] <jrwren> i hated apple back then.
[17:46] <jrwren> they had no good products IMO
[17:46] <jrwren> OSX was still pretty bad. they still shipped OS9
[17:46] <cmaloney> But once Apple started with the whole "Thermonuclear war" which hearkened back to the "look and feel" lawsuits I knew it was time to move on
[17:46] <jrwren> wait, what?
[17:46] <greg-g> <    jrwren> so in the US, i equate them to those $30 cody CVS tablets
[17:47] <greg-g> but their photos are soooo sexy/porn like!
[17:47] <cmaloney> jrwren: The whole "we'll kill android with patents"
[17:47] <jrwren> greg-g: they are more beautiful devices and maybe that is too harsh, but they don't make any higher end models :(
[17:47] <greg-g> seriously, some hardware photos, especially phones, look way too much like they were porn inspired
[17:48] <jrwren> cmaloney: i didn't know that was ever a thing, nor did I knwo there was ever a patent lawsuit between android and apple
[17:48] <cmaloney> greg-g: They are
[17:48] <greg-g> "be sure to get the low angle crotch, I mean usb port shot!"
[19:00] <cmaloney> jrwren: Yeah, Apple flipped my "you are evil" bit with that.
[19:01] <cmaloney> I kind of forgave the look and feel lawsuits of old but that just put them into the "never consider for personal stuff" list.
[19:01] <jrwren> cmaloney: so how do you feel about ubuntu's aggressive control of its trademark? :]
[19:02] <cmaloney> Trademarks are one thing
[19:02] <cmaloney> I think the whole "use it or lose it" thing is ridiculous
[19:02] <cmaloney> So I get why they're doing it
[19:03] <cmaloney> Honestly I think the whole thing needs some reform
[19:03]  * greg-g looks in, see's a troll, backs away
[19:03] <cmaloney> greg-g: Join the party. :)
[19:03] <greg-g> :) :)
[19:03] <cmaloney> But yeah, trademark law is insane
[19:04] <cmaloney> I find "intellectual property" (trademark, copyright, patent) infuriating.
[19:05] <cmaloney> And I find Disney at the heart of why the system is so completely broken
[19:05] <cmaloney> I have no love for Disney anymore.
[19:06] <jrwren> +1
[19:06] <jrwren> I never did.
[19:06] <jrwren> I'm of the free Mickey crowd.
[19:07] <jrwren> the sad part is that a majority of the population is so brainwashed they cannot see that its a removal of liberty.
[19:07] <jrwren> they don't even understand it is liberty that they have given up.
[19:07] <jrwren> that part is scary to me
[19:08] <cmaloney> Yeah, completely
[19:09] <cmaloney> that part is the most infuriating to me
[19:09] <cmaloney> "We're letting one company own our culture. Wake up!"
[19:11] <jrwren> *nod*
[19:18] <greg-g> now I have RATM in my head
[19:18] <greg-g> thank you cmaloney
[19:19] <cmaloney> That was completely unintentional
[19:19]  * cmaloney is not a RATM fan
[19:52] <jrwren> hahaha, twitter is down!!! this is 2007 all over again!
[19:53] <greg-g> jrwren: loaded for me
[19:53] <jrwren> greg-g: downforeveryone says its not just me.
[19:54] <greg-g> Looks like it’s just you. http://twitter.com/ seems to be UP.
[19:54] <jrwren> sure NOW it says that.
[19:54] <jrwren> 4min ago, not so much :p
[19:58] <greg-g> :P
[19:58] <greg-g> pics or it didn't happen
[20:10] <jrwren> sheesh!
[20:15] <mrgoodcat> lol
[20:16] <mrgoodcat> http://downdetector.com/status/twitter
[20:16] <mrgoodcat> Problems at Twitter
[20:17] <mrgoodcat> a few hundred reports in the last hour at downdetector
[20:20] <greg-g> I don't normally share these things, but, this made me literal lol for longer than I care to admit: http://trumpdonald.org/
[20:20] <greg-g> I mean, just play with it, it's great
[20:22] <jrwren> greg-g: lolling