[00:39] <ChibaPet> I'm not seeing tools for manual partitioning from another console when I'm booted into today's Xenial server ISO. I'm curious as to what I'm missing... no fdisk/gdisk/parted or friends.
[00:55] <ChibaPet> lordievader: Also just found http://missinglink.xyz/security/tutorial-debianubuntu-full-disk-encryption-luks-fde-including-encrypted-boot/
[00:58] <ChibaPet> although that still has unencrypted bits
[06:48] <lordievader> The Debian cd can drop to a shell through the menu, can't the server iso do that?
[06:48] <lordievader> Good morning, by the by.
[07:01] <ChibaPet> Good morning.
[07:01] <ChibaPet> The server ISO can, but it lacks some tools that are on the desktop edition.
[07:01] <ChibaPet> For instance, there appears to be no fdisk/gdisk/parted available from the shell of the server ISO.
[07:02] <lordievader> You cannot apt-get that?
[07:02] <ChibaPet> The server ISO doesn't present a live image, at least so far as I understand it.
[07:02] <ChibaPet> It's more or less identical to what Debian ships with their net-installers.
[07:03] <ChibaPet> Either way, my next hurdle is hand-setup of GRUB, initramfs, and LUKS.
[07:03] <lordievader> Hmm, guess it is too long ago for me to have done a server install of Ubuntu.
[10:58] <just_> Hi guys. I have Ubuntu 16.04. when apt-get install -f get:
[10:58] <just_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14886436/
[10:58] <just_> system cant configure udev
[10:59] <just_> because group input already exist
[11:05] <just_> can anybody help?
[11:14] <just_> anybody alive?
[11:29] <lordievader> just_: Hmm, that sounds nasty. I suppose you could use a live-cd to chroot in and reinstall udev.
[11:34] <just_> lordievader: I commented group Input and then apt-get install -f.
[11:34] <just_> now i have: update-initramfs: deferring update (trigger activated)
[11:36] <just_> insserv: Service mountkernfs has to be enabled to start service udev
[11:36] <just_> insserv: exiting now!
[11:37] <just_> nevermind
[11:37] <just_> how, i can reinstall udev?
[11:40] <lordievader> just_: apt-get remove udev && apt-get install udev; but don't do this from the install itself.
[11:41] <k1l_> how did you upgrade to 16.04?
[11:42] <just_> I was never updated as this is a new installation
[11:51] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
, i go to /var/lib/dpkg/info and rm udev*
[11:58] <just_> then apt-get install -f
[11:59] <just_> and everything OK
[12:07] <lotus|Xenial4-4> !find mpv
[12:08] <lotus|Xenial4-4> !info mpv
[12:08] <lotus|Xenial4-4> new mpv icon on xenial nice
[12:19] <lordievader> just_: That sounds like a bad idea... but hey if it works...
[12:20] <BluesKaj> yeah. but where are the audio settings on mpv ? is it like mplayer cli based?
[12:27] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Yes, the command line switches are extensive.
[12:27] <lordievader> https://mpv.io/manual/master/
[12:33] <just__> now i have udev »absent; We assume that at the moment the package is not installed files but all works
[12:34] <lordievader> Still sounds like a bad idea...
[12:42] <just_> and any suggestions?
[12:43] <lordievader> Reinstall the package through a chroot or something.
[12:45] <just__> Can you write a list of commands?
[12:53] <BluesKaj> mpv seems like a decent player, but vlc is so much easier to setup and use
[12:54] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: well i found smplayer more lightweight on my desktop lately
[12:54] <lotuspsychje> playing 1080p stuff
[13:00] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, I found that Hi Def on some movies have a lot of errors and the player spends memory and gpu cycles with correction data ...sometimes it's the source material that has the problems
[13:02] <lotuspsychje> yeah could be
[13:03] <BluesKaj> vlc is mostly fine on my old pc tho
[13:04] <lotuspsychje> vlc is rocksteady indeed
[13:41] <lordievader> mpv is quite nice imo.
[14:46] <BluesKaj> yeah,mpv is great for heaphone listening when watching movies on my setup due to the analog audio output to the wireless headphone transmitter. It can't handle digital signals.
[15:29] <zzarr> hello! I have installed Ubuntu by bootstraping it to an SD card and I can boot it with the arch arm kernel on my ASUS Chromebook Flip
[15:29] <zzarr> but, there's no connectivity when I have booted it, how do I connect wifi from command line?
[15:31] <zzarr> should I define a wireless network interface?
[15:31] <zzarr> or is there a "make it all happen" script I can run?
[16:36] <goddard> who, or where would I post about the default sound device being selected when a new device is connected?
[16:37] <goddard> when you connect a bluetooth speaker for example it connects and switches to play sound on that device automatically, but it doesn't switch the device in the sound controls so every time you have to go into the sound settings and set the default device.
[20:06] <sudormrf> ello lads
[20:07] <sudormrf> what's new and cool in 16.04
[20:07] <sudormrf> :D
[20:08] <Pici> higher numbers
[20:08] <sudormrf> ha!
[20:08] <sudormrf> as we have seen with the megapixel race, higher numbers aren't always good ;P
[20:09] <ChibaPet> sudormrf: ZFS shipped with the distro. New kernel.
[20:09] <ChibaPet> LTS
[20:09] <sudormrf> ChibaPet, how about unity version
[20:09] <ikonia> ZFS is shipped ?
[20:09] <ChibaPet> sudormrf: Oh, um. I don't know. I don't use Unity on desktops.
[20:09] <ikonia> thats the first I've heard of that
[20:09] <sudormrf> ChibaPet, I typically use Gnome, myself
[20:10] <ChibaPet> !info zfsutils-linux
[20:10] <ChibaPet> wait, what was it now... hrm
[20:10] <rww> sudormrf: still Unity 7, so...
[20:10] <ikonia> as far as I know, zfs is not part of the kernel still due to oracle licensing
[20:10] <ChibaPet> !info zfs-initramfs
[20:10] <ikonia> so thats initramfs
[20:10] <ChibaPet> ikonia: Right, but that ends up being irrelevant. Doesn't need to be linked into the kernel.
[20:11] <ikonia> well it does as the mainteanance of a 3rd part module for your root file system isn't great
[20:11] <ChibaPet> ikonia: That's why it's great that Canonical is shipping it now.
[20:11] <ikonia> not for me
[20:12] <ikonia> I'd prefer they focussed efforts on objects that where open and part of the kernel
[20:12] <ikonia> certainly something as critical as the root file system
[20:12] <ChibaPet> CDDL is less restrictive than the GPL while still being copyleft. Hard to call it "not open".
[20:12] <ikonia> is that going to come from "main" ?
[20:13] <ChibaPet> You'd have to ask Canonical what their ultimate plans are.
[20:14] <ikonia> not really bothered personally
[20:14] <ChibaPet> Given the degree to which it will offer competitive advantage over Red Hat, it's pretty significant.
[20:14] <ikonia> is useful to know though, so thank you
[20:14] <ikonia> I'd hardly call that a competative advantage
[20:14] <ChibaPet> Competitive.
[20:14] <ikonia> yes
[20:15] <sudormrf> does red hat have a longer support cycle for their releases?  IIRC, centOS seems to have a really long support lifecycle.
[20:15] <ikonia> yes
[20:15] <ChibaPet> But... It fills a couple niches nicely, and it's already used in a couple significant shops. Better support from Canonical will mean that these shops will be more inclined to roll out Ubuntu.
[20:15] <ikonia> Centos Mirrors Red Hats which is 8 years + extended to 12 - compared to ubuntu's of 5
[20:15] <ikonia> pros/cons to each
[20:15] <ChibaPet> sudormrf: Red Hat does ten years to Canonical's five.
[20:15] <sudormrf> true that
[20:16] <ChibaPet> sudormrf: That said, Canonical's lifecycle is probably more realistic when you look at hardware aging, and of course all of this is way up in the air in the age of Docker.
[20:16] <sudormrf> ChibaPet, yep, I agree.  but then it does depend also on enterprises
[20:17] <sudormrf> enterprises don't necessarily replace hardware as frequent as your average consumer
[20:17] <sudormrf> not infrastructure stuff, anyway
[20:17] <sudormrf> again, pros/cons to both approaches
[20:17] <ChibaPet> sudormrf: Right, but ones that aren't starved for money plan their equipment lifecycles based on warranty coverage and such.
[20:18] <ChibaPet> But yeah, there's something for everyone.
[20:18] <sudormrf> ChibaPet, true, however there is also hardware that is supported for a long time using extended warranties, etc
[20:18] <sudormrf> word up
[20:18] <sudormrf> I am going to have to move one of my servers from 12.04 soonish :D.
[20:18] <sudormrf> well not have to
[20:18] <sudormrf> but, ya know
[20:19] <ChibaPet> Upgrade or reimplement?
[20:19] <sudormrf> a bit of both.  probably upgrade the hardware, merge a couple of devices together, remove some of the functions, etc.
[20:21] <sudormrf> it is doing a few duties and I would like to offload some of those duties to something else
[20:21] <ChibaPet> I need to upgrade a couple personal servers before long, hence my evaluating Xenial
[20:22] <ikonia> ChibaPet: what's your view so far ?
[20:22] <ChibaPet> ikonia: I haven't gotten into it enough yet, but it seems solidly built so far. I don't have enough to really have an opinion yet.
[20:24] <ChibaPet> Ask again in a week or two and I'll have an opinion.