[05:56] <hikiko> hi
[07:08] <andyrock> morning all
[07:39] <pitti> Good morning
[08:45] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:46] <seb128> hey andyrock pitti
[08:47] <alexarnaud> Good morning andyrock pitti seb128 !
[08:47] <seb128> hey alexarnaud
[08:53] <seb128> Sweet5hark, hey, in case you didn't notice doko just did a libreoffice upload to xenial for multiarch bits, you might need to rebase your update/include those changes
[08:59] <willcooke> morning all
[09:01] <seb128> hey willcooke
[09:01] <willcooke> hey seb128, happy Friday :)
[09:02] <seb128> happy friday indeed!
[09:03] <Sweet5hark> seb128: urgh ...
[09:03] <willcooke> morning Sweet5hark
[09:03] <seb128> Sweet5hark, yeah, doko can be annoying like that...
[09:03] <Sweet5hark> willcooke, all: moin!
[09:03] <seb128> Sweet5hark, we can also upload your update, reverting his changes and teaching him to work with others ;-)
[09:05] <Laney> yo
[09:05] <seb128> hey Laney, happy friday!
[09:05] <Laney> hi seb128
[09:05] <Laney> happy friday to you too!
[09:06] <Sweet5hark> seb128: nah, doko did ask me cryptically to meet to talk about $something at FOSDEM and meeting at breakfast, I wrote him a mail suggesting to meet at 8:30-9:00 on monday to have a concrete, but that didnt work out apparently ...
[09:06] <Sweet5hark> (was having breakfast with Laney and larsu instead though then ...)
[09:06] <seb128> (seems like a better choice ;-)
[09:07] <Sweet5hark> hrhr
[09:07] <Laney> ahaha it fails to build
[09:07] <seb128> go doko!
[09:07]  * Sweet5hark grabs popcorn ...
[09:07] <Sweet5hark> Laney: link error in libsc?
[09:08] <Laney> configure: error: Package requirements (libcmis-0.5 >= 0.5.0) were not met:
[09:09] <Sweet5hark> ah, lol.
[09:09] <Sweet5hark> libcmis was bumped to the version that comes with LibreOffice 5.1 and LibreOffice 5.0 thus is unhappy ...
[09:10] <seb128> no
[09:10] <seb128> we have 0.5.0 since wily
[09:10] <seb128> but doko multiarched that lib yesterday :p
[09:10] <seb128> maybe something went wrong there
[09:11] <seb128> oh well, he does things without talking to others, he gets to debug things by himself then...
[09:12] <Sweet5hark> hmm. gotta see if my 5.1 package still builds against that then ...
[09:12] <seb128> haha
[09:12] <seb128> Laney, hide!
[09:12] <seb128> doko is pinging around now ;-)
[09:13]  * Laney trolls
[09:13] <seb128> :-)
[09:13] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: thanks for the hint on l10n isos btw, fixed that.
[09:24] <robert_ancell> seb128, you don't happen to know if there's any C libraries for accessing dpkg / apt do you? They all seem to be Perl or C++
[09:24] <robert_ancell> Or marked as internal / will break at any time
[09:24] <seb128> robert_ancell, sorry I don't, that would be a mvo question but he doesn't seem around
[09:26] <hikiko> Trevinho, andyrock https://code.launchpad.net/~hikiko/nux/nux.missing-header-file/+merge/285160 could you top-approve this? (it's just a missing header file unity complains about)
[09:26] <hikiko> 1 line MP :)
[09:34]  * Sweet5hark build a 1.4GB snap yesterday.
[09:37] <Sweet5hark> (lets see if I win another "LibreOffice: based on technology breaking your toolchain since 1985!" t-shirt with that)
[09:49] <willcooke> We have a winner for "The most ridiculous comment on the internet this week"
[09:49] <willcooke> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-16-04-lts-to-ship-with-older-nautilus-due-to-bugs-and-menubar-499962.shtml
[09:53] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: heh, the headline already sounded suspiciously like that when it flew by on g+
[09:53] <willcooke> People must read this stuff though
[09:54] <willcooke> Oh, how about this
[09:55] <willcooke> We set up a website where every time one of us or sil2100 eat a sandwich we write down what was in it
[09:55] <willcooke> and then sell advertising on the site
[09:55] <sil2100> Oh ooh!
[09:55] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: that said, them spambots start to tweet and share that old ridiculous "Ubuntu causes girl to drop of of college" FUD video again.
[09:56] <willcooke> ha, I love that video
[09:56] <sil2100> There was a video like that? uh
[09:56] <willcooke> sil2100, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qj8p-PEwbI
[09:56] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: seems someone is nervous about our recent PR. So our marketing is doing something right.
[09:57] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: I like the first comment: "I installed Linux on my machine and my life also went to shit.  My  computer now boots way too fast,  I can't manage to get any adware or  viruses installed, I have too much available ram, the package manager  makes it way to easy to install software, I never have to deal with my  computer taking an hour to do automatic updates and I didn't even get to  pay for anything."
[09:58] <willcooke> XD
[10:28] <seb128> willcooke, that's going to teach me to open a bug with the rational of the revert... ;-)
[10:29] <seb128> I also got upstream pinging me this morning saying they could provide a patch to fix the zoom level issues for us and that the new version auto-open the copy dialog which fixes some of the usability issues
[10:30] <seb128> trying to loby a bit for us to do the update...
[10:34] <willcooke> oh, that's good news, thanks seb128
[10:34] <willcooke> and thanks u/s
[10:35] <seb128> willcooke, you think we should go back at updating then? ;-)
[10:35] <seb128> (probably not because headerbar/lack of menus/some bugs in the new code that would require more work)
[10:35] <seb128> but it's good for next cycle
[10:35] <willcooke> yeah, probably not
[10:35] <willcooke> but
[10:36] <willcooke> Its good that u/s still care enough
[10:36] <willcooke> to want to help us get up to date
[10:42] <seb128> willcooke, I might upload the new nautilus has a nautilus3.18 source so users who want it/ubuntu GNOME can get it easily
[10:47] <Sweet5hark> great libreoffice 5.1 breaks against libcmis ...
[10:48] <Sweet5hark> (against the multiarched in proposed that is)
[10:49] <Laney> doko's going to have to fix that
[10:50] <willcooke> seb128, thanks
[10:58] <Sweet5hark> seb128: so suggested timeline: 1/ wait for libcmis to be unfoobared b/ bump to libreoffice 5.1.0~rc3 in xenial as-is without multiarch c/ look into whatever multiarch options we have afterwards?
[11:35] <Laney> crap
[11:35] <Laney> just discovered the "storage" charm
[11:35] <Laney> totally could have used that for appstream :)
[12:33] <seb128> Laney, :-/
[12:33] <seb128> Sweet5hark, those are options? I would go for the "do without multiarch"
[12:36] <Sweet5hark> seb128: k
[12:45] <Laney> seb128: future opportunities for improvement ;-)
[12:45] <seb128> yeah!
[12:46] <seb128> k, I think I managed to make nautilus upstream happy enough with what we are doing ;-)
[12:46] <willcooke> thx seb128
[12:47] <seb128> seems like they share some of the concerns about 3.18 and they are likely to need/have patches similar to some we want (like for more zoom options)
[12:47] <seb128> but 7.3 is at the end of the year
[12:48] <seb128> they understand that our timing for the LTS is more tight and the decision we take then
[12:48] <seb128> willcooke, yw!
[13:02] <pitti> bon week-end tout le monde ! je m'en vais
[13:03] <seb128> pitti, oh, bon w.e à toi également !
[13:03] <seb128> tu parts en w.e ?
[13:03] <pitti> seb128: oui, les derniers jours (et nuits) étaient trop longues
[13:04] <pitti> seb128: on va à Salzburg, pour un concert (Les Tambours du Bronx) et visiter la ville
[13:04] <pitti> seb128: tu les connais ?
[13:04] <seb128> pitti, je voulais dire "est-ce que vous allez quelque part pour le w.e"
[13:04] <seb128> oui je connais ;-)
[13:04] <pitti> some 15 guys drumming on oil barrels, it's awesome
[13:04] <seb128> ils sont français
[13:04] <seb128> pitti, have fun there!
[13:04] <pitti> oui, merci !
[13:05]  * pitti m'enfuis à la gare
[13:05] <doko> Sweet5hark, if you join common irc channels you don't have to write emails for short question ;p
[13:05] <seb128> pitti, bon voyage en train ;-)
[13:06] <Sweet5hark> doko: it is all a secret ploy to make you join #ubuntu-desktop!
[13:07] <Sweet5hark> doko: anyway, whats your suggestion to go ahead?
[13:08] <doko> wait until the next publisher run
[13:09] <Sweet5hark> k
[13:16]  * Sweet5hark goes back to his 1.4GB snap package then...
[13:34] <Laney> just had a bloke round to confirm that the water meter is indeed broken
[13:34] <Laney> turn tap on, numbers don't change - yep, it's broken
[13:34] <Laney> now I get to wait another $MANY_WEEKS for the real person to come round
[13:34] <Laney> yay for companies
[13:37] <seb128> does it mean you don't get to pay for the water you use? ;-)
[13:37] <ogra_> yeah
[13:37] <Laney> I guess so!
[13:37]  * ogra_ wouldnt complain
[13:37] <Laney> pool party anyone?
[13:37] <Laney> not that I have a pool
[13:37] <seb128> :-)
[13:37] <Laney> but that doesn't matter
[13:37] <ogra_> free showers !
[13:38] <seb128> but you have the sun and some sand right?
[13:38] <seb128> and 30°C?
[13:38] <Laney> mmm, maybe the gas meter is broken too
[13:38] <Laney> free heating
[13:38] <seb128> heh
[13:39] <Laney> there will totally be some way to get money back from me
[13:39] <Laney> like "we assume you used this much"
[13:39] <seb128> tell them there is no way
[13:39] <seb128> you were in Brussels
[13:39] <seb128> didn't use anything!
[13:40] <Laney> I don't even have showers, can't you smell me?!?!?1?!
[13:42] <GunnarHj> Laney: Not that I want to be a PITA, but you didn't forget bug #1539885, did you? ;)
[13:42] <ubot5`> bug 1539885 in trusty-backports "Please backport svtplay-dl 0.30.2016.01.10-1 (universe) from xenial" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1539885
[13:42] <Laney> GunnarHj: I built it earlier
[13:42] <Laney> and then my terminal crashed(!!!!)
[13:42] <Laney> so I did actually forget because the tab got lost
[13:43] <GunnarHj> Laney: Ah, shit!
[13:45] <GunnarHj> Laney: Btw, it was built in a PPA. Does that help?
[13:45] <Laney> kind of, but it's easy for me to build it anyway
[13:46] <Laney> I got it, no worries
[13:46] <GunnarHj> Laney: Ok.
[14:34] <willcooke> wellll shit
[14:34] <willcooke> I've just tried inserting an SD card
[14:34] <willcooke> in to where I /thought/ the SD card reader was
[14:34] <willcooke> in fact is the pcmcia slot
[14:34] <willcooke> and now I can't get the card back out
[14:34] <willcooke> what a genius
[14:55] <Sweet5hark> ricotz: in case you still care for that on the 12.04 backports and if you are extremely bored, please see https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83710  ...
[14:56] <ubot5`> bugs.documentfoundation.org bug 83710 in Impress "Insert Movie dialog appears and disappears [Hard to repro]" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[15:10] <qengho> willcooke: that might as well be a stone-tablet cuneform deciphering slot.
[15:12] <willcooke> qengho, ha!!!
[15:12] <willcooke> indeed
[15:12] <ricotz> Sweet5hark, I see :\
[15:47] <alexarnaud> Re all!
[15:47] <Sweet5hark> "no space left on device"
[15:48]  * Sweet5hark exploded snappy.
[15:50] <alexarnaud> I've follow the advices of robert_ancell about environment variable "DESKTOP_SESSION" and "$XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP" but I don't understand what it is do in Ubuntu to have "mate" as a value whereas on my Debian Sid system I've always lightdm
[15:51] <alexarnaud> What's is done in Ubuntu different than in Debian?
[15:52] <alexarnaud> In the mate.desktop I've the line "DesktopNames=MATE"
[16:30] <tjaalton> willcooke: sent the xserver CFT email.. -> EOW! :)
[16:31] <willcooke> \m/ thanks tjaalton
[16:31] <willcooke> happy weekend
[17:08] <seb128> Laney, I had almost forgotten about it, but what's the status of the webkit2 transition? still on your list for this cycle?
[17:08] <Laney> yes I was looking at it today
[17:08] <Laney> evolution is unseeded now
[17:08] <seb128> did we check with corporate service or whoever want it that it's ok to demote it?
[17:09] <Laney> yes
[17:09] <seb128> great :-)
[17:09] <seb128> was there any remaining blockers?
[17:09] <Laney> reviews
[17:09] <Laney> testing s-c
[17:09] <Laney> nothing serious
[17:09] <seb128> cool
[17:09] <seb128> I'm going to try to do a few reviews next week then
[17:10] <Laney> neat
[17:10] <Laney> try ubiquity if you want
[17:10] <seb128> k
[17:10] <seb128> it's probably the less easy to test, but fine, for you I can do it ;-)
[17:10] <seb128> it's only used for the slides?
[17:10] <Laney> you should be able to just dpkg -i in a live iso
[17:11] <Laney> yeah
[17:11] <Laney> going to rebase all the stuff on monday
[17:11] <seb128> great
[17:45] <seb128> have a good w.e everyone
[17:45] <willcooke> cya seb128
[17:51]  * Laney tosses some patches at ximion 
[17:55] <willcooke> I'm off too
[17:55] <willcooke> gnight all
[17:56]  * Laney cries
[17:56] <Laney> latest commit just made conflicts
[18:01] <Laney> fixed pushed PRed
[18:01] <Laney> goodnight!
[18:02] <ogra_> there is nothing like good diplomacy to fix conflicts :)
[18:35] <ximion> Laney: I made some comments - sorry for not merging the patches right away
[18:35]  * ximion needs some more information on both