=== mnepton is now known as mneptok === puff``` is now known as puff === puff is now known as puf === puf is now known as puff === puff` is now known as puff [13:59] Can anyone please help me with auto volume boost on WebRTC in xubuntu? Thanks. [14:00] Can anyone please help me with auto volume boost on WebRTC in xubuntu? Thanks. [14:00] Anyone please? [14:38] Does anyone here have experience with Abelton Live or Adobe Photoshop on Xubuntu? === qwebirc527879 is now known as slickymasterWork [17:20] can i just do a sudo apt-get remove abiword to remove? cause last time i did something like this and it wanted to remove xubuntu-desktop or something so i was alarmed and hesitant [17:24] removing xubunt-desktop isn't an issue :) [17:24] xubuntu705, This is not directly related to your question (as I don't know the answer to that), but I think it's worth noting that xubuntu 15.10 comes with LibreOffice instead of AbiWord/Gnumeric [17:24] all that means is you've removed something that is part of the default install [17:26] oh well [17:26] G33kDude: following up on that point - jfyi - the only supported versions of Xubuntu with Abiword now is 14.04 [17:26] neat, didn't know that [17:27] yep - 15.04 is now EOL - so people running that need to be updating [17:31] https://archive.org/details/malwaremuseum [21:16] what's the best way of keeping python current (default install gives 3.4; latest is 3.5.1)? There seem to be lots of python ppa's (I dough up this one https://launchpad.net/~fkrull/+archive/ubuntu/deadsnakes/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=trusty) but is that the best source? is there a system that rates reliability of similar ppa's? [21:17] No [21:18] RoadRunner: deadsnakes is generally the best python PPA [21:19] xangua: "no" to no ppa rating system present? [21:21] xangua: or "no" the source I found isn't the best one as Pici said? [21:23] Pici: I recall looking at deadsnakes, but don't remember finding 3.5.1 [21:25] generaly speaking, in the case of Python, is it more advisable to stay as current as possible or to go with an older version in favour of greater stability/predictability due to canonical support? [21:27] RoadRunner: unless you need something from 3.5.x, I don't see a problem with staying on 3.4. [21:28] If it was 3.3 that was offered in the repos, I'd probably be suggesting to go to 3.4, but thats another story. [21:34] Pici: it seems I got confused there regarding deadsnakes, that is the link I gave above, isn't it? I just thought that "deadsnakes" refers to older - not current - versions even if from the same guy (fkrull) [21:40] Pici: I don't need any of 3.5 features yet, but the reason why I thought of upgrading, is because I was thinking of installing IDLE, so either I stay with 3.4 and install 3.4 IDLE or get new py with its IDLE, what would be your final rulling on that? [21:41] RoadRunner: I'd say that IDLE is terrible and no one should be using it, but I don't think thats the answer you're looking for. [21:42] Pici: its just that I started learning with IDLE so its just something familiar, but please feel free to make a suggestion for a better dev environment [21:42] RoadRunner: If you want a full IDE, pycharm is nice. Otherwise just use the REPL via python3 or ipython. [21:43] Also feel free to join us in #python if you want (although you'll need to be registered an identified with nickserv to join) [21:43] see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup [21:43] Pici: i thought PyCharm wasn't free? [21:43] oop wait [21:43] * teward is used to his pro version [21:43] :) [21:43] teward: the community edition is free as in beer [21:44] yep just realized, though a lot of that company's tools don't have a community edition heh [21:44] +1 on the PyCharm recommendation though, I use it myself :) [21:44] teward: the community free or the pro version? [21:45] I had a pro subscription for a while, but I just use vim nowadays. If I did more python stuff I'd probably check it out again. [21:45] RoadRunner: I have the pro version. Benefits of being a University student, and JetBrains giving university students free access so long as one's a student [21:45] I was using pro back before they had the community edition availabel. [21:45] er, and paying for it. [21:46] yeah, i did a lot of python at work recently, and needed an IDE for syntax, etc. [21:46] +1 for PyCharm though [21:46] is the free version much infrerior to pro? [21:47] it might not have all the functions [21:47] https://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/features/editions_comparison_matrix.html [21:48] was about to link heh [21:48] Pici: stahp ninjaing >.< [21:48] loljk [22:09] Pici: teward: so to recap, for someone starting to learn to dev in py: stay with 3.4, forget IDLE, get PyCharm free and use Vim for small things? [22:10] Pici can comment on the first two, PyCharm is nice for bigger things, and for tiny small things, Vim / Vi / Nano / Emacs / EditorOfChoice is useful [22:11] * teward came in late, only recognized where Pici suggested PyCharm [22:13] PyCharm isn't in Ubuntu's soft repo; what's the best source for that? [22:21] or should I just follow PyCharm's instructions, get their tar.gz and "Run pycharm.sh from the bin subdirectory"? [22:25] Pici: teward: ? [22:59] RoadRunner: it's not in the repos. Follow their instructions [23:00] you may also have to chmod +x later [23:00] (a couple files need executable perms and may not have them by default) [23:00] I am surprised that its the same instructions for all linuxes... [23:01] :P [23:01] making sure you have the deps though is your job :) [23:01] ? [23:02] me being a newbie, the more I read about chmod, the more confused I got... [23:06] RoadRunner: basically, if you run things and it says something can't be run, poke with the error and we'll help [23:06] :) [23:06] * teward was unaware about 'newbie' state in this case :) [23:11] thanks for the help, will you be here for a while longer, if I am to attempt it now? [23:12] yeah [23:13] for a little while anyways [23:13] (unless the fiancee shows up for dinner sooner) [23:13] (since she's at work, and we're headed out this evening) [23:13] in my experience, nothing on a computer takes just a little while :) [23:14] for starters, in which dir should I unzip tar.gz? [23:14] wait are you the same person i went on a security rant against a few days ago heh [23:15] I'd have to check the logs, but could be :) [23:16] RoadRunner: in my opinion, anywhere you want, I'm specific of wanting /opt/jetbrains/[FOLDER] but as you said you're not familar with chmod / chown as much, just create a folder in your home directory called "JetBrains_Apps", and unzip it inside that directory [23:16] as I bet you're the only user on that system ;) [23:17] just trying to keep things orderly and in line with the convention [23:18] there are as many conventions as there are users [23:18] ^ that [23:19] to prove that, i keep my built apps in /data/store/apps [23:20] and i have directory after directory after directory after ... [50 cycles later] ... after directory for differing types of apps, ranging from testing things, to test building packages, etc. [23:21] ;)= [23:21] though system-wide stuff I put into /opt/[COMPANY_OR_AUTHOR]/[PROGRAM_OR_PROJECT_NAME]/... [23:21] but again, that's my convention; create your own :) [23:22] so, if I put my aps in my home folder, no diff what so ever? [23:22] well [23:23] if only your user runs them, it doesn't matter where you put them [23:23] ^ [23:23] though *some* things run better when installed to system dirs [23:23] depends on something pretty basic - how big did you make / or /home if on a seperate partition [23:23] besides, you don't probably even know if you like the app or not, so it would probably be the best choice to just get on with it [23:23] but in the case of PyCharm if it's just you using it, doesn't matter where, unless you have a small / or /home partition [23:23] you can move it later [23:26] I am the only user and I don't know if I'll like the app, but for future time and or for ease of backups, may it be a good idea to have the home dir on a sep partition? [23:26] i wouldn't say backups are affected; reinstalling is [23:30] when is it advantageous to have home on a sep partition? [23:30] Always [23:30] knome: though reinstalling after system death is always a bad thing anyways [23:31] (like, drive death, not just the main boards dying) [23:31] (so BACKUPS ARE IMPORTANT!) [23:31] but you can reinstall without any death ;) [23:32] indeed [23:32] so, looking ahead I would be better off moving home to a new partition now? [23:33] RoadRunner, i would proceed with your original question and try out the app you were about to test [23:34] ok [23:34] ^ that [23:34] bah late