[13:59] <ssk> Can anyone please help me with auto volume boost on WebRTC in xubuntu? Thanks.
[14:00] <ssk> Can anyone please help me with auto volume boost on WebRTC in xubuntu? Thanks.
[14:00] <ssk> Anyone please?
[14:38] <Atnon> Does anyone here have experience with Abelton Live or Adobe Photoshop on Xubuntu?
[17:20] <xubuntu705> can i just do a sudo apt-get remove abiword to remove? cause last time i did something like this and it wanted to remove xubuntu-desktop or something so i was alarmed and hesitant
[17:24] <flocculant> removing xubunt-desktop isn't an issue :)
[17:24] <G33kDude> xubuntu705, This is not directly related to your question (as I don't know the answer to that), but I think it's worth noting that xubuntu 15.10 comes with LibreOffice instead of AbiWord/Gnumeric
[17:24] <flocculant> all that means is you've removed something that is part of the default install
[17:26] <G33kDude> oh well
[17:26] <flocculant> G33kDude: following up on that point - jfyi - the only supported versions of Xubuntu with Abiword now is 14.04
[17:26] <G33kDude> neat, didn't know that
[17:27] <flocculant> yep - 15.04 is now EOL - so people running that need to be updating
[17:31] <G33kDude> https://archive.org/details/malwaremuseum
[21:16] <RoadRunner> what's the best way of keeping python current (default install gives 3.4; latest is 3.5.1)? There seem to be lots of python ppa's (I dough up this one https://launchpad.net/~fkrull/+archive/ubuntu/deadsnakes/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=trusty) but is that the best source? is there a system that rates reliability of similar ppa's?
[21:17] <xangua> No
[21:18] <Pici> RoadRunner: deadsnakes is generally the best python PPA
[21:19] <RoadRunner> xangua: "no" to no ppa rating system present?
[21:21] <RoadRunner> xangua: or "no" the source I found isn't the best one as Pici said?
[21:23] <RoadRunner> Pici: I recall looking at deadsnakes, but don't remember finding 3.5.1
[21:25] <RoadRunner> generaly speaking, in the case of Python, is it more advisable to stay as current as possible or to go with an older version in favour of greater stability/predictability due to canonical support?
[21:27] <Pici> RoadRunner: unless you need something from 3.5.x, I don't see a problem with staying on 3.4.
[21:28] <Pici> If it was 3.3 that was offered in the repos, I'd probably be suggesting to go to 3.4, but thats another story.
[21:34] <RoadRunner> Pici: it seems I got confused there regarding deadsnakes, that is the link I gave above, isn't it? I just thought that "deadsnakes" refers to older - not current - versions even if from the same guy (fkrull)
[21:40] <RoadRunner> Pici: I don't need any of 3.5 features yet, but the reason why I thought of upgrading, is because I was thinking of installing IDLE, so either I stay with 3.4 and install 3.4 IDLE or get new py with its IDLE, what would be your final rulling on that?
[21:41] <Pici> RoadRunner: I'd say that IDLE is terrible and no one should be using it, but I don't think thats the answer you're looking for.
[21:42] <RoadRunner> Pici: its just that I started learning with IDLE so its just something familiar, but please feel free to make a suggestion for a better dev environment
[21:42] <Pici> RoadRunner: If you want a full IDE, pycharm is nice. Otherwise just use the REPL via python3 or ipython.
[21:43] <Pici> Also feel free to join us in #python if you want (although you'll need to be registered an identified with nickserv to join)
[21:43] <Pici> see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
[21:43] <teward> Pici: i thought PyCharm wasn't free?
[21:43] <teward> oop wait
[21:43]  * teward is used to his pro version
[21:43] <teward> :)
[21:43] <Pici> teward: the community edition is free as in beer
[21:44] <teward> yep just realized, though a lot of that company's tools don't have a community edition heh
[21:44] <teward> +1 on the PyCharm recommendation though, I use it myself :)
[21:44] <RoadRunner> teward: the community free or the pro version?
[21:45] <Pici> I had a pro subscription for a while, but  I just use vim nowadays.  If I did more python stuff I'd probably check it out again.
[21:45] <teward> RoadRunner: I have the pro version.  Benefits of being a University student, and JetBrains giving university students free access so long as one's a student
[21:45] <Pici> I was using pro back before they had the community edition availabel.
[21:45] <Pici> er, and paying for it.
[21:46] <teward> yeah, i did a lot of python at work recently, and needed an IDE for syntax, etc.
[21:46] <teward> +1 for PyCharm though
[21:46] <RoadRunner> is the free version much infrerior to pro?
[21:47] <teward> it might not have all the functions
[21:47] <Pici> https://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/features/editions_comparison_matrix.html
[21:48] <teward> was about to link heh
[21:48] <teward> Pici: stahp ninjaing >.<
[21:48] <teward> loljk
[22:09] <RoadRunner> Pici: teward: so to recap, for someone starting to learn to dev in py: stay with 3.4, forget IDLE, get PyCharm free and use Vim for small things?
[22:10] <teward> Pici can comment on the first two, PyCharm is nice for bigger things, and for tiny small things, Vim / Vi / Nano / Emacs / EditorOfChoice is useful
[22:11]  * teward came in late, only recognized where Pici suggested PyCharm
[22:13] <RoadRunner> PyCharm isn't in Ubuntu's soft repo; what's the best source for that?
[22:21] <RoadRunner> or should I just follow PyCharm's instructions, get their tar.gz and "Run pycharm.sh from the bin subdirectory"?
[22:25] <RoadRunner> Pici: teward: ?
[22:59] <teward> RoadRunner: it's not in the repos.  Follow their instructions
[23:00] <teward> you may also have to chmod +x later
[23:00] <teward> (a couple files need executable perms and may not have them by default)
[23:00] <RoadRunner> I am surprised that its the same instructions for all linuxes...
[23:01] <teward> :P
[23:01] <teward> making sure you have the deps though is your job :)
[23:01] <RoadRunner> ?
[23:02] <RoadRunner> me being a newbie, the more I read about chmod, the more confused I got...
[23:06] <teward> RoadRunner: basically, if you run things and it says something can't be run, poke with the error and we'll help
[23:06] <teward> :)
[23:06]  * teward was unaware about 'newbie' state in this case :)
[23:11] <RoadRunner> thanks for the help, will you be here for a while longer, if I am to attempt it now?
[23:12] <teward> yeah
[23:13] <teward> for a little while anyways
[23:13] <teward> (unless the fiancee shows up for dinner sooner)
[23:13] <teward> (since she's at work, and we're headed out this evening)
[23:13] <RoadRunner> in my experience, nothing on a computer takes just a little while :)
[23:14] <RoadRunner> for starters, in which dir should I unzip tar.gz?
[23:14] <teward> wait are you the same person i went on a security rant against a few days ago heh
[23:15] <RoadRunner> I'd have to check the logs, but could be :)
[23:16] <teward> RoadRunner: in my opinion, anywhere you want, I'm specific of wanting /opt/jetbrains/[FOLDER] but as you said you're not familar with chmod / chown as much, just create a folder in your home directory called "JetBrains_Apps", and unzip it inside that directory
[23:16] <teward> as I bet you're the only user on that system ;)
[23:17] <RoadRunner> just trying to keep things orderly and in line with the convention
[23:18] <knome> there are as many conventions as there are users
[23:18] <teward> ^ that
[23:19] <knome> to prove that, i keep my built apps in /data/store/apps
[23:20] <teward> and i have directory after directory after directory after ... [50 cycles later] ... after directory for differing types of apps, ranging from testing things, to test building packages, etc.
[23:21] <knome> ;)=
[23:21] <teward> though system-wide stuff I put into /opt/[COMPANY_OR_AUTHOR]/[PROGRAM_OR_PROJECT_NAME]/...
[23:21] <teward> but again, that's my convention; create your own :)
[23:22] <RoadRunner> so, if I put my aps in my home folder, no diff what so ever?
[23:22] <flocculant> well
[23:23] <knome> if only your user runs them, it doesn't matter where you put them
[23:23] <teward> ^
[23:23] <teward> though *some* things run better when installed to system dirs
[23:23] <flocculant> depends on something pretty basic - how big did you make / or /home if on a seperate partition
[23:23] <knome> besides, you don't probably even know if you like the app or not, so it would probably be the best choice to just get on with it
[23:23] <teward> but in the case of PyCharm if it's just you using it, doesn't matter where, unless you have a small / or /home partition
[23:23] <knome> you can move it later
[23:26] <RoadRunner> I am the only user and I don't know if I'll like the app, but for future time and or for ease of backups, may it be a good idea to have the home dir on a sep partition?
[23:26] <knome> i wouldn't say backups are affected; reinstalling is
[23:30] <RoadRunner> when is it advantageous to have home on a sep partition?
[23:30] <xangua> Always
[23:30] <teward> knome: though reinstalling after system death is always a bad thing anyways
[23:31] <teward> (like, drive death, not just the main boards dying)
[23:31] <teward> (so BACKUPS ARE IMPORTANT!)
[23:31] <knome> but you can reinstall without any death ;)
[23:32] <teward> indeed
[23:32] <RoadRunner> so, looking ahead I would be better off moving home to a new partition now?
[23:33] <knome> RoadRunner, i would proceed with your original question and try out the app you were about to test
[23:34] <RoadRunner> ok
[23:34] <teward> ^ that
[23:34] <teward> bah late