[00:25] <Oderus> hey guys, having an issue where when i boot up with the latest linux image, as soon as i hit the login screen my keyboard stops working. cursor still blinking. had to use a secondary in order to login. any ideas?
[00:26] <ChibaPet> both usb keyboards?
[00:26] <Oderus> well i only have one keyboard but yes it quits when i hit the login screen
[00:27] <ChibaPet> Replugging it doesn't help?
[00:27] <ChibaPet> Sounds like that's off far enough into systemd that I'd have nothing better than bad guesses, sadly.
[00:28] <Oderus> didnt try replugging since it worked to select a kernal
[00:28] <ChibaPet> Worth trying.
[00:28] <Oderus> true enough ill give that a shot. also, in grub, whats the difference between regular start and the option marked upstart?
[00:28] <ChibaPet> It's different software reading it during the two periods you're describing.
[00:28] <Oderus> oh ok
[00:28] <ChibaPet> upstart is the pre-systemd init
[00:29] <Oderus> not sure i understand
[00:29] <ChibaPet> There's software that takes over once the kernel is done probing available devices and setting up memory and such.
[00:30] <ChibaPet> This used to be a nice, clean set of shell scripts, and then Ubuntu thought to improve on it with Upstart, after which Red Hat said "no, this isn't market lock-in" and downgraded us all to systemd. :P
[00:30] <ChibaPet> They start your services and boot-time processes, basically.
[00:30] <Oderus> normally upstart is not necessary?
[00:31] <ChibaPet> You probably don't want to use it at all, since it will eventually disappear.
[00:31] <Oderus> ah ok. thanks again chibapet. and ill try replugging my keyboard next time i reboot
[00:31] <ChibaPet> Sure.
[00:31] <ChibaPet> If it's not that, then it's some inscrutable systemd nightmare.
[00:49] <Oderus> weird i have a package thats being held back
[00:50] <ChibaPet> apt-get dist-upgrade maybe
[00:51] <Oderus> it says it has an upgrade available for said package but it depends on another package that is not available to install heh
[00:53] <Oderus> i tried the above mentioned command, it found nothing
[00:53] <Oderus> heres the output if it helps
[00:53] <Oderus> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14990386/
[00:54] <ChibaPet> did you apt-get update first?
[00:55] <Oderus> yes
[00:55] <ChibaPet> !info libcsound64
[00:55] <Oderus> :o
[00:55] <ChibaPet> I think I see the problem.
[00:55] <Oderus> !info libcsound64-6.0
[00:56] <ChibaPet> Oh, fine. :P
[00:56] <Oderus> heh
[00:56] <ChibaPet> !info libstk0v5
[00:56] <Oderus> aha!
[00:57] <Oderus> what if i compile it?
[00:57] <ChibaPet> You can always compile things. Maybe you can get a source package from an earlier Ubuntu to build.
[00:58] <Oderus> okay, thanks :)
[01:01] <Oderus> actually is there a way to determine which software depends on libcsound? if its nothing major ill just remove.. lol
[01:02] <ChibaPet> Hrm. Yes. I don't remember what it is. You can use aptitude, but there's a way to look at policy and get that too.
[01:13] <Oderus> gah. i found the dependancy,  which required yet another dependancy, then try to compile but still getting errors lol
[01:23] <Oderus> looks like theres a fix for it, but i am wayyyyy too ameture at c++ lol. heres the error anyway incase anyone knows how to fix: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14990560/
[01:24] <ChibaPet> Oderus: Out of curiosity, why 16.04 and not 14.04?
[01:25] <Oderus> Chiba: Ohh i just like updating to the latest and playing -_-
[01:25] <ChibaPet> Alright. Good enough.
[07:53] <zzarr> hello! I have problems installing ofono and urfkill on xenial from ports.ubuntu.com, are those packages broken?
[08:08] <damascene> zzarr, it might help if you specify the error you get
[08:16] <zzarr> well I just get the message that the packages in question is broken when trying to install them
[08:16] <zzarr> and now they are half installed and I can't remove them
[08:33] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:34] <zzarr> Good morniong
[08:34] <zzarr> ops... good morning
[08:35] <lotuspsychje> hi zzarr
[08:35] <zzarr> hi lotuspsychje :-)
[08:35] <lordievader> o/
[10:35] <z4sk4> hi, what i need to post the bugs correctly?
[10:35] <z4sk4> always close me the bugs the community...
[10:35] <z4sk4> i cant add and id of a process when is an aerror for librarys and code..
[11:06] <lotuspsychje> !bug | z4sk4
[13:05] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[15:04] <nandersson_> Hi, how many years does one have to wait for a contributed patch to enter Ubuntu? This bug is oooooooooooooold, patched and still Canonical hasn't added the patch. What is the reason behind this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash-completion/+bug/1390061/+subscriptions
[15:09] <BluesKaj> nandersson_, perhaps state this issue in #ubuntu-devel
[15:10] <BluesKaj> it might get more attention or an expalnation
[15:10] <nandersson_> BluesKaj, ok, I'll do that
[15:10] <nandersson_> thx
[15:10] <BluesKaj> yw
[15:49] <lotuspsychje> nandersson_: or try making a new bug to get more attention
[15:50] <teward> though if the bug is identical it may very likely get closed as a dupe
[15:52] <lotuspsychje> teward: even if its xenial related?
[15:53] <teward> lotuspsychje: consider: I have a bug filed against the Xenial version of the package.  The same bug which has been present since 14.04 and has not been fixed is exactly the same as the newly filed bug.  If they are identical, and the other one from 14.04 still hasn't been fixed, then it's still the same bug
[15:53] <lotuspsychje> true
[15:53] <teward> even if we had 50 bugs for the same issue, across, say, ten releases, and they're still the same exact bug / issue, there's only a need for one
[15:54] <teward> whether it gets looked at of course is a different issue, but lets not add dupes if we can avoid it ;)
[15:54] <lotuspsychje> teward: but maybe, this is why persisent bugs remain across several relases like that
[15:55] <teward> perhaps.  but dupe bugs are still dupe bugs
[15:55] <lotuspsychje> yep
[15:56] <teward> you're free to poke #ubuntu-devel to see if someone can poke at it; though, it has only been on the sponsoring list since today (and likely needs reviewed anyways)
[15:56] <teward> (if not fixed in Debian as well)O
[19:40] <greybert> is this / where's a good place to report issues is the vagrant cloud image of xenial?
[19:41] <k1l> who made that images? i would report to them
[19:42] <greybert> http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/xenial/current/
[19:42] <k1l> ok, then file bugs
[19:42] <k1l> !bugs
[19:43] <greybert> k thanks
[23:56] <melodie> hi
[23:57] <melodie> I have tried to install Kubuntu Xenial on my notebook Lenovo X220i, but the installer crashed right away after hitting the button "continue"
[23:57] <melodie> I have taken a screenshot of the backtrace
[23:59] <melodie> http://pix.toile-libre.org/?img=1454975938.png
[23:59] <melodie> then I started a live Ubuntu Mate Xenial, and this one works
[23:59] <melodie> (same day download, right a moment ago)