| pleia2 | if anyone else is around, I could still really use help with the rest of these summaries | 02:20 |
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| tsimonq2 | pleia2: I'll take a look :) | 02:23 |
| pleia2 | thanks | 02:26 |
| tsimonq2 | pleia2: sorry I only got one summary done, parents need me to do a few chores then bed | 02:28 |
| tsimonq2 | well I did another summary earlier in the weekend, though | 02:28 |
| pleia2 | alright, thanks for trying | 02:31 |
| wxl | still need help pleia2 ? | 03:28 |
| pleia2 | wxl: nope, I just bullet-pointed the Canonical news and I slogged through the rest myself | 03:28 |
| wxl | ok sorry. superbowl. | 03:28 |
| pleia2 | wxl: could always use help with editorial review if you have some time in a few minutes :) (I'm adding stats now) | 03:29 |
| wxl | k ping me when you need me | 03:29 |
| pleia2 | thanks, will do! | 03:29 |
| pleia2 | Unit193: link check? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue453 | 03:33 |
| pleia2 | wxl: and if you have time after the game, I'm done editing, so if you could check for grammar/summaries make sense/words are in the right order, I'd appreciate the extra pair of eyes :) | 03:34 |
| pleia2 | in the wiki link there | 03:34 |
| wxl | k | 03:35 |
| wxl | pleia2: do you want me to edit it? | 03:36 |
| pleia2 | wxl: if you find things to fix, yes please :) | 03:37 |
| wxl | k on it pleia2 | 03:37 |
| pleia2 | \o. | 03:37 |
| pleia2 | \o/ too | 03:37 |
| wxl | omg the wiki is taking forever | 03:40 |
| * wxl fumes | 03:40 | |
| pleia2 | heh, it does that :\ | 03:42 |
| wxl | linuxpadawan is switching to mediawiki and i CAN"T WAIT | 03:43 |
| pleia2 | I think we're going to use doku for xubuntu | 03:43 |
| Unit193 | Looks good so far. | 03:43 |
| pleia2 | Unit193: thanks :) | 03:44 |
| wxl | the thing i DID like about moinmoin is it's python, but i guess i'll live with the php | 03:44 |
| wxl | plugin support on mediawiki is faaantatstic | 03:45 |
| Unit193 | And, it handles volume better. | 03:46 |
| wxl | i'll be happy to be able to use markdown instead of some weirdo markup language | 03:47 |
| wxl | oh man that quote from nhaines on the free culture showcase is atrocious | 03:49 |
| wxl | not only… but… but… | 03:50 |
| pleia2 | it does run on a bit :) | 03:51 |
| pleia2 | but we don't edit quotes | 03:51 |
| pleia2 | (could change what we quote though) | 03:51 |
| wxl | yeah well i'll let you decide on that one :) | 03:51 |
| wxl | um | 03:54 |
| wxl | pleia2: can i link this reply to my original announcement as the announcement of tsimonq2's membership? | 03:54 |
| wxl | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news-team/2016-February/002400.html | 03:54 |
| pleia2 | wxl: sure | 03:54 |
| wxl | ok good | 03:54 |
| wxl | pleia2: is this right? | 04:04 |
| wxl | Calling for Server Guide reviewers/contributors - - XENIAL | 04:04 |
| wxl | those two dashes seem like something else is supposed to go there | 04:04 |
| wxl | oh nevermind | 04:04 |
| wxl | original subject line | 04:04 |
| wxl | weird | 04:04 |
| * pleia2 nods | 04:04 | |
| wxl | aaaaand done | 04:07 |
| wxl | waiting on the wiki, tho | 04:07 |
| wxl | there ya go | 04:08 |
| pleia2 | thank you :) | 04:08 |
| wxl | np | 04:10 |
| PaulW2U_ | Although logged into the Wiki, issue #453 page is immutable :( | 16:47 |
| PaulW2U_ | I'll try to review later although it looks like wxl did a good job earlier today | 16:48 |
| PaulW2U_ | pleia2: ^^ multiple browsers on multiple PCs. Oh dear :( | 17:13 |
| jose | PaulW2U_: let me double check | 17:15 |
| jose | PaulW2U_: have you tried logging out and back in? the wiki is weird | 17:16 |
| PaulW2U_ | yep | 17:16 |
| jose | wat, not even loading here | 17:16 |
| jose | PaulW2U_: this looks like a bigger issue. I'm contacting IS to see what's up. | 17:17 |
| PaulW2U_ | jose: just logged out and after a while logged back in. index page shown as editable. clicked on UWN link and again immutable. | 17:20 |
| jose | PaulW2U_: yes, it's happening to me for all pages in the wiki, I'm asking infrastructure to see what's up. I suspect something spammy was going on and they locked it for a bit | 17:21 |
| pleia2 | grr wiki | 17:29 |
| jose | already pinged IS but no response back... | 17:30 |
| jose | PaulW2U_, pleia2: they're dealing with spam and it's temporarily locked down | 17:32 |
| pleia2 | between this and the documentation wiki, I'm starting to question whether we seriously can depend upon canonical's infrastructure for our mission critical projects anymore | 17:34 |
| pleia2 | the documentation wiki has been locked down for over a month | 17:34 |
| jose | or how we need to address anti-spam measure | 17:35 |
| jose | s | 17:35 |
| pleia2 | 3 weeks ago I sent them a whole pile of suggestions | 17:35 |
| pleia2 | no response :( | 17:35 |
| wxl | i would expect mediawiki to have more measures to deal with spam proactively | 17:35 |
| pleia2 | so honestly I've done all I can | 17:35 |
| wxl | pleia2: you sent this to where/who exactly? | 17:35 |
| pleia2 | wxl: all interactions with IS are done via rt@ubuntu.com | 17:36 |
| wxl | yeah | 17:36 |
| pleia2 | then poke them in #canonical-sysadmin | 17:36 |
| wxl | things get kind of lost that way i find :( | 17:36 |
| pleia2 | if it's an easy task it usually gets done prety quickly, but this is more complicated, and complicated community requests don't seem to get much priority | 17:36 |
| wxl | that whole discussion i had about maybe having canonical say they can't handle loco hosting ended up with them asking the loco council to prioritize tickets | 17:37 |
| wxl | which seems like they avoided the real question | 17:37 |
| pleia2 | heh | 17:37 |
| wxl | i don't feel like it's their fault | 17:37 |
| pleia2 | even if the council does take the time to prioritize, we sill don't have the power to tell them what they need to work on | 17:37 |
| pleia2 | so it seems like busywork | 17:37 |
| wxl | i know neale, for example, quite well and i know he's working his butt off | 17:37 |
| pleia2 | yeah, I've known fo0bar since before he joined canonical | 17:38 |
| wxl | i think they picked up some more managed cloud contracts, too, which means until they get more people in, they're particularly stretched thin | 17:38 |
| pleia2 | I don't blame them personally, it's a broader issue of canonical itself not giving them the resources to properly support us | 17:38 |
| pleia2 | which is upsetting | 17:38 |
| wxl | still, i feel like it would be wise to honestly question what canonical is really *capable* of providing | 17:38 |
| pleia2 | yep, I've been trying to get an answer to that for years | 17:39 |
| wxl | i can't imagine it's an issue of willingness | 17:39 |
| wxl | (i hope) | 17:39 |
| pleia2 | they have gotten better at responding to easy community tickets, so there has been progress, but they're still blocking us on important work | 17:39 |
| wxl | maybe i should send another email to the cc | 17:39 |
| wxl | i guess it doesn't hurt to keep trying | 17:40 |
| pleia2 | even when I was on the CC I couldn't make progress x_x | 17:40 |
| wxl | at the worst it just means i'm wasting my breath XD | 17:40 |
| pleia2 | but yes, we should keep pushing | 17:41 |
| pleia2 | I'm just a bit bitter and burnt out over it | 17:41 |
| wxl | maybe even alerting mark himself directly about it | 17:41 |
| pleia2 | I have | 17:41 |
| pleia2 | (he's on the CC, and has seen all my grumping) | 17:41 |
| wxl | yeah but there's a difference between emailing someone directly, although my guess is you've already tried that | 17:42 |
| pleia2 | I think it's the only reason we've made progress at all with ticket turnaround on some things (some tickets only take a day or two to close now, rather than 2 months) | 17:42 |
| pleia2 | some still take 2 months, or 2 years, or more, I have one going on 3 years outstanding | 17:42 |
| wxl | or maybe he just looks at it is complaining. it's a common tendency for busy people to ignore what they percieve as griping | 17:43 |
| wxl | honestly, i don't think i have a feeling about it. i have no reason to complain. i just want them to either say they can provide it and provide it or just admit they can't | 17:44 |
| wxl | and if they're going to provide it, giving some sort of expectation of timeline would be wise | 17:44 |
| wxl | it'd be easy to spin up how long the average ticket takes | 17:44 |
| wxl | blah blah blah | 17:44 |
| wxl | i'll keep trying :) | 17:44 |
| wxl | thanks for the encouragement, pleia2 | 17:44 |
| pleia2 | wxl: sorry to be so negative, please do keep trying <3 | 17:45 |
| wxl | pleia2: burn out is a common reaction. i'm not surprised. i've seen it happen to many others, both within this community and others | 17:45 |
| pleia2 | it's just frustrating to me because we're volunteers, and their inability to fix things for us means that our time is being wasted | 17:45 |
| pleia2 | that's not at all fair to us, why would I work on a project if they don't care to support me with the resources promised to us? | 17:46 |
| wxl | or at least be honest about what support they're really can provide | 17:46 |
| wxl | it's like the dad that says he's going to show up at his kid's baseball games and then never shows up because he's got something else going on | 17:46 |
| * pleia2 nods | 17:47 | |
| jose | I always try to follow up with them. that helps make sure they know I need the thing done | 17:47 |
| jose | even if it's not my ticket | 17:47 |
| pleia2 | yeah, I've found that direct follow-up is an essential to anything ever being looked at | 17:48 |
| jose | deej has also been super helpful with community requests | 17:48 |
| pleia2 | I'm not at all questioning the dedication of the individuals on the team, I know they're busy and work hard and care :) | 17:49 |
| pleia2 | their priorities come from the top down | 17:49 |
| jose | yep | 17:49 |
| pleia2 | update from IS: aiming to have things sorted in an hour or so, fingers crossed | 21:20 |
| PaulW2U_ | wiki's back ! | 22:41 |
| pleia2 | :D | 22:44 |
| PaulW2U_ | editorial review done | 22:54 |
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