[08:08] <knightwise> morning peeps
[08:11] <zmoylan-pi> be careful out there. it's a monday...
[08:14] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:15] <knightwise> morning MooDoo
[08:17] <knightwise> LIstening to the Mr Robot soundtrack on Youtube
[08:17] <knightwise> quite good actually :)
[08:22] <MooDoo> yeah i've been listening to an ESA playlist on spotify, rather good
[08:28] <knightwise> ESA  ?
[08:29] <zmoylan-pi> different european accents saying 10... 9... 8... :-)
[09:03] <diplo> Moaning all
[09:05]  * zmoylan-pi waits for porridge to stop spinning in microwave...
[09:08] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:18] <MooDoo> mornng davmor2 :)
[09:20] <davmor2> MooDoo: how am ya me owld mucka?
[09:28] <popey> Morning
[09:29] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah good thanks :) smiling after the superbowl :)
[09:29] <davmor2> You lost again
[09:30] <MooDoo> nope won this time
[09:53] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Monday, and happy Chinese New Year! 😃
[09:55] <zmoylan-pi> saw chinese lanterns for sale over the weekend.  at least the weather at the moment will prevent their use...
[09:56] <MooDoo> good any one that uses them needs a kicking
[09:56] <zmoylan-pi> ^this
[10:11] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:16] <knightwise> morning brobostigon
[10:17] <brobostigon> morning knightwise
[11:06] <awilkins> Yo popey, why did you prefer irssi to Hexchat?
[11:06] <awilkins> (as someone who's used both and currently uses Hexchat)
[11:07] <MooDoo> awilkins: I use irssi as i'm in a ssh session to my server at home :D
[11:07] <awilkins> MooDoo, Heh, yeah, I used to run irssi in a session on my router but it made my router less stable
[11:09] <zmoylan-pi> i connect via ssh to rasp pi running irssi sharing screen with newsbeuter in tmux
[11:09] <awilkins> I don't mind irssi at all but I'm not sure what positive advantages it offers over a GUI client besides the session persistence
[11:09] <zmoylan-pi> i <3 tmux
[11:09]  * awilkins <3 byobu
[11:09] <awilkins> (which is just a wrapper on tmux)
[11:10] <zmoylan-pi> i could run a gui irc client on the pi and remote desktop to it... but irssi does it just as well for me
[11:11] <zmoylan-pi> i might retry that when i finally get my rasp pi 2 going to replace the earlier rasp pi b
[11:12] <awilkins> I love the Pi2
[11:12] <awilkins> Pi2 in a FLIRC case is a gorgeous little server
[11:15] <zmoylan-pi> but there's a little part of me reluctant to replace the rasp pi b as it just keeps doing it's job on a 4gb card since i got it
[11:18] <awilkins> Pi2 is noticably snappier for the more CPu hungry stuff
[11:18] <awilkins> Like running Ruby-on-Rails websites
[11:19] <awilkins> (and installing Ruby in the first place, rbenv is hands down the best way to install Ruby stuff I know of but it involves compiling things a lot)
[11:23] <zmoylan-pi> i do intend at some point intend to imbed a small screen, rasp pi and battery in keyboard and use it as console apps only (distraction free) laptop
[12:01] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksJ6QP8BYn0 cheeky one for the Chinese newyear now you are back here :)
[12:32] <diddledan> davmor2: have you _ever_ failed to know the perfect tune?
[12:34] <davmor2> diddledan: not really failed bastardised and cheated maybe :) You know like using Jasper Carrott for Carrot Cake day :)
[12:35] <diddledan> lol
[12:36] <diddledan> sometimes the cheated ones are more fun tho :-p
[12:39] <davmor2> diddledan: indeed, I mean todays is a bit of a cheat but I could of gone with, Eye of the tiger, rabbit, who let the dogs out, puff the magic dragon.... and covered the whole zodiac :)
[12:41]  * davmor2 goes away to look up the rest
[12:49] <davmor2> anaconda (Nicki minaj), the ox (the who), dark horse (Katy Perry), rooster (alice in chains), Tell me while I don't like mondays (Boomtown rats, was the first thing that jumped to mind), pigs (pink floyd), and finally Paddy McGinty's goat (val dunican? pretty sure that is spelt wrong):D
[12:49] <davmor2> diddledan: ^ there you go every chinese new year covered :)
[13:42] <diddledan> https://boingboing.net/2016/02/07/usborne-releases-free-pdfs-of.html
[13:51] <awilkins> I loved those books
[13:51] <awilkins> Always had one or more of them checked out of the library
[13:56]  * zmoylan-pi has just installed qb64 on linux this morning.  might be time to try those old basic manuals again... :-)
[14:00] <diddledan> qb64?
[14:01] <zmoylan-pi> quick basic for 64bit systems... http://www.qb64.net/
[14:03] <zmoylan-pi> will have to hunt out gorrila.bas and nibbles.bas to give them a spin... :-)
[14:03] <diddledan> is it the original quickbasic source that's been updated and recompiled or a clean-room implementation of the quickbasic syntax?
[14:03] <zmoylan-pi> clean-room...
[14:03] <diddledan> oh, hang on, I have those here somewhere
[14:04] <diddledan> will have to fish through many disks but I know I've got them
[14:04]  * zmoylan-pi pictures crying diddledan with 5.25" floppy with dos 5 install files... :-P
[14:04] <diddledan> DOS3!
[14:05] <diddledan> 3.22
[14:05] <zmoylan-pi> dos3 had gwbasic
[14:05] <zmoylan-pi> gorilla and nibbles came with dos 5 iirc
[14:05] <diddledan> that may be true but I know I have copies
[14:06] <zmoylan-pi> i was asked initially to write code in gw basic so i remember these little things... ;-)
[14:06] <zmoylan-pi> thankfully we quickly dumped that idea and went with qbasic or qbx 4.5 to be exact
[14:08] <zmoylan-pi> my bosses were coming from cpm environment and i was still using speccy at home so we had a lot to learn... :-)
[15:01] <m0nkey_> any regex gurus here?
[15:02] <Myrtti> fortunately I can nowadays quite happily say I'm not one since I've forgotten the little I knew quite well.
[15:03] <m0nkey_> heh, this is kinda perl/regex
[15:03] <m0nkey_> So, I've got a statement:   my $site = ($line =~ /\s+NOT processed/i)
[15:04] <m0nkey_> What I'm trying to do is grab that \s and put it in a variable
[15:04] <m0nkey_> Thing is, I got text just before it.. like this: 22 - YUL NOT processed
[15:04] <m0nkey_> I want to grab just the 'YUL' part
[15:04] <m0nkey_> But at the same time, look for the not processed
[15:05] <diddledan> m0nkey_: $line =~ /([^\s])+\s+NOT Processed/i; $YUL = $1
[15:06] <m0nkey_> danke
[15:06] <m0nkey_> that appears to work
[15:06] <diddledan> err, not quite right - the ) and + are backwards
[15:06] <diddledan> ([^\s]+)
[15:06] <m0nkey_> I spotted that :)
[15:07] <diplo> Hey all, I know this is a linux channel but.... anyone know if a MAC would use ssl libraries on the system for email clients or built in?
[15:07] <diddledan> diplo: how do you mean?
[15:07] <diddledan> diplo: OS X comes with SSL built int
[15:07] <diddledan> in*
[15:08] <diddledan> diplo: but nothing is stopping random developers from shipping their own libraries
[15:08] <diplo> In the case of say iMail ? won't connect to a server but say Thunderbird would
[15:08] <popey> Well, TBird almost certainly ships own libs
[15:08] <m0nkey_> BOOYAH!
[15:08] <m0nkey_> thanks diddledan, code works perfectly now
[15:08] <diddledan> yeah thunderbird will use NSS probably
[15:08] <diplo> Would the clients use iMail specifically system ssl
[15:09] <diplo> Ah ok I thought the same popey, was just googling about NSS but wanted to see if anyone knew about the MAC side
[15:09] <m0nkey_> So, my print statement output: found an unprocessed item for YUL
[15:09] <m0nkey_> I can now feed that into a snmp trap
[15:09] <diplo> Running an old email server, customer doesn't want to upgrade... all works apart from iMail
[15:09] <diplo> Or Mail :)
[15:10] <diddledan> diplo: probably using insecure cuphers then
[15:10] <diddledan> ciphers
[15:10] <diddledan> SSL3 is dead now
[15:10] <diddledan> long live TLS1
[15:10] <diddledan> or better TLS1.2
[15:11] <diplo> yeah but it works sporadically which is the thing that keeps fluming us, should work or not
[15:15] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: want copies of these DOS5 disks? :-p
[15:16] <diddledan> I couldn't find the .bas files elsewhere so I've imaged the DOS5 install disks
[15:16] <popey> 0 7 * * * is 7am crontab isn't it?
[15:16]  * popey thinks he is going mad
[15:16] <diddledan> popey: I think so, yes
[15:16] <diddledan> m h d m dow I think
[15:16] <popey> wonder why mine starts at 15:00 then
[15:17] <diddledan> odd
[15:20] <popey> hmm, i was in LA a few weeks back which is 7am at 15pm here
[15:21] <m0nkey_> diddledan, I'm going to put you on speed dial for regex now
[15:22] <zmoylan-pi> 15pm... :-)
[15:24] <popey> Oh jeez
[15:24] <popey> I typed that and thought "wonder who will pick up on that"
[15:24] <popey> well done!
[15:24] <popey> :)
[15:25] <zmoylan-pi> worked with a lot of security companies, i've seen every mismatch of 12-24 hour clocks known to mammal kind
[15:27] <Seeker`> popey: 'going' mad? :P
[15:31] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: may I pm you a link?
[15:33] <zmoylan-pi> sure
[15:34] <diddledan> there ya go :-p
[15:35] <diddledan> 9KB for GORILLAS.BAS. and people moan about tomb raider being big!
[15:36] <diddledan> of course that's when compressed - it'll eat a whole 29KB of your HDD space!
[15:37] <zmoylan-pi> for effciency i always remember frontier elite ii which put a quarter of the galaxy on 1 720k floppy with loads of space for save games
[15:40] <zmoylan-pi> hehe, nibbles runs too fast to play
[15:40] <diddledan> lol
[15:40] <popey> i used to write stuff in qbasic
[15:40] <popey> was fun
[15:40] <zmoylan-pi> but it does compile and run, qb64 has no interpreter
[15:40] <popey> until i found pascal
[15:41] <zmoylan-pi> which is a pretty great indicator of compatability with qbasic
[15:43] <zmoylan-pi> http://imgur.com/qYVuDM0 screenshot of nibbles.bas
[15:44] <diddledan> \o/
[15:45] <zmoylan-pi> so if you need to run some old qbasic code then give qb64 a peek, might need modification for timing loops mind :-)
[15:49] <diddledan> gorillas.bas seems not to like DEF FnRan (x) = INT(RND(1) * x) + 1
[15:49] <diddledan> (line 105)
[15:49] <zmoylan-pi> just got that far myself... :-(
[15:50] <diddledan> it's the FnRan(x) bit I think
[15:51] <diddledan> the line below which also uses DEF seems to be ok
[15:52] <zmoylan-pi> yeah that seems odd, the num lock code can be eliminated i suspect...
[15:52] <zmoylan-pi> looking at the help file to see def atm
[15:54] <diddledan> aah "DEF FNname [(parameterList)] = expression" is listed in the currently not supported
[15:54] <zmoylan-pi> trying to remember the keyboard shortcuts for .hlp files in qbasic... :-)
[15:54] <zmoylan-pi> bummer
[15:56] <zmoylan-pi> could rewrite that function if i had the time i suppose... but you couldn't distribute it of course...
[15:56] <diddledan> :-(
[15:58] <diddledan> ref for the unsupported: http://www.qb64.net/wiki/index.php/DEF_FN
[15:58] <diddledan> and everything unsupported: http://www.qb64.net/wiki/index.php/Keywords_currently_not_supported_by_QB64
[15:59] <zmoylan-pi> we avoided a lot of functions in qb as none of the other basics we used had them and occasionly we needed to run code in other basic variants... made for fun coding..
[15:59] <diddledan> eep
[16:00] <zmoylan-pi> open and environ are the 2 that would hinder most...
[16:01] <zmoylan-pi> could get around environ using the old shell to screen and read the environment variable from the screen like i used to have to on some basics
[16:01] <zmoylan-pi> but the open restrictions would prevent a few programmes working
[16:05] <zmoylan-pi> opening lpt and writing directly to laser printer was always fun... :-)
[16:22]  * pwaring opens issue 24 and is surprised that the 'what scripting language is right?' article is not a single word
[16:22] <pwaring> PERL
[16:22] <diddledan> o_O
[16:22] <diddledan> issue 24 of...
[16:22] <pwaring> oh blast
[16:22] <pwaring> wrong window
[16:22] <popey> linux voice I would imagine :)
[16:22] <zmoylan-pi> perl 4 or 5?
[16:22] <pwaring> Linux Voice :)
[16:23] <pwaring> There's too much crossover between channel membership
[16:23] <popey> just put my copy on the shelf of unopened magazines
[16:23] <zmoylan-pi> would have to be 2 words...
[16:23] <pwaring> zmoylan-pi: I notice Perl 6 wasn't an option :)
[16:23] <zmoylan-pi> that's due next month i believe... :-P
[16:23] <diddledan> perl6 is NEVER an option :-p
[16:24] <zmoylan-pi> i've played with perl and written a few scripts in it.  it's nice and most reminds me of basic of all the 'modern' scripting languages but it irks me more than it should
[16:25] <zmoylan-pi> python is better behaved but leaves me... unhappy...
[16:26] <diddledan> vb.net :-p
[16:28]  * zmoylan-pi winces at mention of the dot net abomination
[16:28] <diddledan> c# isn't that bad
[16:28] <zmoylan-pi> and i'll never know cause i'll never touch the filthy microsoft product... :-)
[16:28] <zmoylan-pi>  /jackson
[16:29] <pwaring> C# works on Linux
[16:29] <pwaring> Quite well actually
[16:29] <zmoylan-pi> it's still microsoft and i do not trust ms
[16:29]  * pwaring considered it for a project, but Java has support for XML->PDF
[16:29] <diddledan> run mono then :-p
[16:29] <pwaring> I think parts of .NET are now open source
[16:30] <directhex> correct.
[16:30] <diddledan> yes .net core as they're calling it
[16:30] <pwaring> https://github.com/microsoft
[16:30] <diddledan> also asp.net core
[16:30] <pwaring> loads of stuff there
[16:30] <zmoylan-pi> the number of times i worked on code and came to a limitation of the language that was a bug in ms's implementation...
[16:30] <directhex> see https://github.com/Microsoft/referencesource for the .net 4.6.1 source
[16:30] <directhex> class library, anyway. not their JITter
[16:30] <directhex> their new JITter is open source
[16:31] <pwaring> I doubt MS are any better or worse than Oracle
[16:31] <zmoylan-pi> i see c# on linux as a trojan horse by ms
[16:31] <zmoylan-pi>  /paranoia
[16:31] <pwaring> Better not run the kernel either then
[16:32] <pwaring> Since MS have contributed patches
[16:32] <zmoylan-pi> i know...
[16:32] <zmoylan-pi> come on hurd... :-)
[16:32] <directhex> if i could be bothered, i'd drag out my decade-old blog posts on this topic
[16:33] <pwaring> directhex: You work for Xamarin, correct?
[16:33] <pwaring> i.e. the 'Mono people'
[16:34] <pwaring> Unless there is another directhex with equally well-versed knowledge of .NET :-)
[16:34] <directhex> yes, for about 18 months
[16:34] <zmoylan-pi> it's the mono apocalypse people!! ::pumps nerf shotgun:: :-P
[16:37] <directhex> here we go, found my angry 2009 blog posts
[16:37] <directhex> i was very angry a while ago with the whole mono conspiracy thing
[16:37] <directhex> wasn't healthy. ended up in therapy.
[16:37] <diddledan> eep
[16:37] <directhex> not exaggerating
[16:46] <directhex> for posterity, http://apebox.org/wordpress/rants/124 and http://apebox.org/wordpress/rants/271 are most relevant
[16:49] <bashrc> I initially liked mono, but then the people who made it went in a totally proprietary direction and I lost confidence
[16:50] <directhex> mmm
[16:50] <zmoylan-pi> it does seem to be a thing with some projects, get it close to perfect and then go in random direction and give user base coniptions
[16:51] <directhex> mono's image problem for desktop linux was insurmountable
[16:51] <directhex> on linux these days it's mostly relevant for games
[16:51] <bashrc> this is like 5+ years ago. I was at the tail end of a years long effort to extricate myself from the Windows sludge
[16:53] <bashrc> I remember the main guy wrote a blog post about how much he disliked linux, and at that point the game was over. I started using other languages
[16:57] <bashrc> I've also encountered xamarin more recently, and they were indeed doing completely proprietary stuff on proprietary OS's only
[16:58] <bashrc> the mono/monodevelop system itself was ok, but it was on a bandwagon going in the opposite direction from mine
[17:04] <diddledan> the problem for xamarin is how to monetise the implementation, and it makes sense to me to be targetting platforms that are difficult to use gpl software on by selling licenses to mono which allow their use on those platforms.
[17:05] <diddledan> it's the age-old "how do I make money giving stuff away for free?"
[17:18] <popey> \o/ Myrtti
[17:19] <diddledan> ello daftykins
[17:19] <daftykins> o/
[17:19] <daftykins> i just made a panoramic snap of my trip to Spain - https://www.dropbox.com/s/ls5se22f3nquctt/panoramic.jpg?dl=0
[17:20] <diddledan> hmm, that picture is very wide
[17:20] <daftykins> :D
[17:21] <Myrtti> popey: \o/ ;-)
[17:21] <zmoylan-pi> what is this? a stick up? \o/
[17:22] <Myrtti> something to that tune
[17:22] <diddledan> \o/
[17:24] <daftykins> silly Skype makes it into a dancing fellow
[17:24] <diddledan> \o/
[17:24] <daftykins> Microsoft have been riddling that program with bugs :)
[17:25] <zmoylan-pi> it's the ms way
[17:26] <diddledan> https://blog.adafruit.com/2016/02/08/the-open-source-furby-project/
[17:27] <zmoylan-pi> look for code submitted from gchq uploading conversations... :-P
[17:27] <Myrtti> oh. I suppose a hairy handbag wouldn't suffice
[17:29] <Myrtti> I still haven't finished making it :-(
[17:30] <daftykins> hairy!?
[17:32] <m0nkey_> I'm not sure what's more scary, an actual Furby or an open Furby.
[17:33] <Myrtti> daftykins: knitted and washing machine felted woollen handbag, LED lit from both inside and out.
[17:33] <Myrtti> I've got all the kit bought but I just can't be arsed to start coding and sewing the circuits
[17:34] <daftykins> :D
[17:34] <daftykins> a friend is visiting next weekend with a huge quilt she made me, be neat to see in person - it was hours of work!
[17:36] <Myrtti> yeah, I realised my black handbag was a bit broken so I wanted a new one, but one thing they all have in common is a black liner that's darker than the place where J. Savile is spending his time atm, so lighter liner and LED's to combat that, so I can find my keys and lipbalm with a bit more ease
[17:38] <zmoylan-pi> does it still count as a handbeg if the owner doesn't spend half an hour rooting for something she's sure is in it? :-)
[17:38] <m0nkey_> I prefer the simple, put it in your pocket or wallet approach.
[17:39] <bashrc> the handbag of doom
[17:39] <zmoylan-pi> i carry a tonne of bit and bots in my back pack. i put all those in transparent fishing tackle box so i can see it before opening box
[17:40] <daftykins> i seem to recall justifying some many-pocket'd trousers by dating a girl who would have me carry all her things
[17:40] <m0nkey_> heh, in my laptop bag, i can never find anything.
[17:42] <m0nkey_> Ugh, I'm not looking forward to this weekend. Low of -24C
[17:43] <m0nkey_> Then followed by 2C and 20cm snow
[17:43] <daftykins> wow!
[17:43] <m0nkey_> Winter is screwed up this year. We see 20C difference in less than 24 hours
[17:44] <m0nkey_> More damn shovelling the car out
[17:44] <Myrtti> m0nkey_: but where would I put my purse, umbrella, passport, lipbalm, 22000mAh extra battery, keys, sunglasses and pills box?
[17:45] <Myrtti> I can't fit that into my pockets, women's trouser pockets are always so tiny and phones just get bigger and bigger :-(
[17:45] <m0nkey_> Wallet, keys, coat :)
[17:45] <m0nkey_> Get bigger pockets
[17:45] <zmoylan-pi> toolbox, a bit blurry, sorry... http://imgur.com/MoKbvKG
[17:45] <diddledan> spectacles, *sticles, wallet and watch.
[17:46] <m0nkey_> lol.
[17:46] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqXZ9YoRD50
[17:46] <zmoylan-pi> that's the reminder for blessing yourself...
[17:46] <m0nkey_> Dawn French, Vicar of Dibley.
[17:46] <diddledan> nope, nuns on the run
[17:47] <zmoylan-pi> dave allen did it before that i think...
[17:47] <m0nkey_> Heh, I think several have done it
[17:47] <daftykins> i wouldn't think you want to be rocking around with a passport everywhere you go :>
[17:48] <diddledan> unless you're a brit in france in which case you need to carry your passport because you don't have a national id card
[17:48] <m0nkey_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZTp1coqajQ
[17:48] <daftykins> things have gotten so rough up there in England you have to have ID in case you get stopped at random now, is it? :)
[17:50] <diddledan> I've lost my mo jo
[17:50] <diddledan> "go outside and get me some serbert"
[17:50] <diddledan> sherbert*
[17:51] <Myrtti> daftykins: until recently I had no other means of proving my identity when shopping with credit/debit card, and in Finland they request to see an ID quite often for bigger purchases
[17:51] <daftykins> ah right
[17:52] <Myrtti> or when buying booze
[17:52] <m0nkey_> If you want to say "She has a hot arse" in french, just say the letters L H O O Q
[17:52] <zmoylan-pi> in ireland you can get special id from gardai (police) that covers buying booze
[17:52] <Myrtti> still, at ripe age of 35 because I'm such a youngling looking dame
[17:52] <diddledan> bad quote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhuOIbg-hM0
[17:53] <Myrtti> zmoylan-pi: sure, you can get that in Finland too. But I travelled a lot so I saved my pennies by just having a passport in my handbag
[17:53] <m0nkey_> I'm going to have to watch Austin Powers again
[17:53] <zmoylan-pi> i don't think they charge for it... passport costs a few shekels though
[17:54] <diddledan> m0nkey_: good idea
[17:54] <diddledan> m0nkey_: TO THE COUCH POTATO!
[17:55] <Myrtti> zmoylan-pi: 55€ in Finland, passport (when applied and fetched in Finland 65€)
[17:55] <m0nkey_> It's a hard life: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jZiKFLL6MI
[18:00] <m0nkey_> Right, back to work. I got a change request to do.
[18:15] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QdPW8JrYzQ
[18:29] <m0nkey_> heh, that was awesome
[18:30] <daftykins> i feel this guy is a bit late to the party on this concept
[18:36] <daftykins> diddledan: i smell another wonky disk
[18:36] <diddledan> oh dear
[20:22] <foobarry> has anybody ever had new batteries that didn't work?
[20:23] <foobarry> i also opened another pack. didn't work either in the thing i tried
[20:23] <foobarry> looking for something else to try them in
[20:26] <foobarry> durloack
[20:26] <foobarry> duralock
[20:27] <foobarry> https://forums.logitech.com/t5/Mice-and-Pointing-Devices/Why-don-t-the-wireless-mice-M187-work-on-Duracel-AAA-batteries/td-p/1371088
[20:27] <foobarry> hmm
[20:30] <popey> nope
[20:30] <popey> never had that
[20:36] <daftykins> weird! i have plenty of rechargables these days from 7dayshop.com which used to be a local company
[20:36] <daftykins> or rather, used to hold stock locally
[20:38] <daftykins> odd reply there seems to be claiming a terminal doesn't make contact?
[20:38] <brobostigon> ch5, new x-files, :)
[20:39] <diddledan> daftykins: with LEDs?
[20:39] <diddledan> "the positive led doesn't touch the mouses led" (paraphrase)
[20:40] <diddledan> I'm curio what a positive LED is
[20:41] <foobarry> typo , i think he means terminal
[20:41] <foobarry> the device is in my sons room but i tried 9 of the new batteries
[20:41] <foobarry> new ones have a green ring around -ve
[20:41] <foobarry> mn2400
[20:42] <foobarry> same model number is the ones that work, but still different style
[20:54] <daftykins> willing to bet it's continuity
[20:55] <diddledan> wonder if my break is chilly yet
[20:55] <diddledan> bread*
[20:55] <diddledan> been in oven
[20:55]  * diddledan wanders off to find out
[20:55] <foobarry> tried on a led lamp, they work
[20:56] <foobarry> must have changed the shape slightly
[21:07] <diddledan> https://motherboard.vice.com/read/hacker-publishes-personal-info-of-20000-fbi-agents <-- apparently the hacker wants to remain anonymous. who'dathunkit
[21:32] <foobarry> also had some exp2018 duracell batteries leak in a torch
[21:32] <foobarry> poor show
[23:40] <MooDoo> evening all