| hikiko | hi | 05:59 |
|---|---|---|
| didrocks | good morning | 07:00 |
| pitti | Good morning | 07:18 |
| didrocks | hey pitti! | 07:53 |
| pitti | bonjour didrocks ! ça va / | 07:55 |
| pitti | ? | 07:55 |
| didrocks | ça va bien et toi ? | 07:57 |
| pitti | didrocks: moi aussi | 07:57 |
| pitti | I found another systemd regression upstream, juggling with broken ppc64el builders, breaking xenial, the usual fun :) | 07:57 |
| didrocks | haha, sounds really busy :) | 07:58 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 08:25 |
| seb128 | hey didrocks pitti | 08:25 |
| pitti | bonjour seb128 ! ça va ? | 08:25 |
| seb128 | oui ! et toi ? | 08:25 |
| didrocks | good morning seb128 :) | 08:25 |
| alexarnaud | hey seb128 didrocks :)! | 08:25 |
| didrocks | salut alexarnaud | 08:26 |
| alexarnaud | how are you ? | 08:26 |
| didrocks | good, thanks, yourself? | 08:26 |
| alexarnaud | The same | 08:26 |
| alexarnaud | I'm happy everyday to enter more deepy into the Linux world | 08:26 |
| seb128 | lut alexarnaud | 08:27 |
| alexarnaud | didrocks: What does your new work make you happy ? (sorry but I've some difficulties to ask in English as I remark) | 08:28 |
| didrocks | alexarnaud: it's great, thanks! will be better once things are under control, but that will take time :) | 08:30 |
| alexarnaud | didrocks: what's are doing exactly ? I've heard something about marketing in an office but no more | 08:31 |
| didrocks | alexarnaud: I'm doing some developer advocacy around Ubuntu Core | 08:32 |
| alexarnaud | didrocks: advocaty ? | 08:34 |
| alexarnaud | My dictionary translates it by "promotion"/"plaidoyer" | 08:34 |
| didrocks | alexarnaud: advocacy, yeah: http://blog.phymata.com/2012/12/28/what-is-a-developer-advocate/ | 08:34 |
| larsu | good morning! | 08:41 |
| seb128 | larsu, hey! how are you? | 08:43 |
| larsu | seb128: good thanks! And you? | 08:44 |
| larsu | sunny here | 08:44 |
| larsu | very nice | 08:44 |
| seb128 | I'm good thanks :-) | 08:44 |
| seb128 | not here :-/ | 08:44 |
| seb128 | but at least less windy that yesterday | 08:44 |
| * larsu sends seb128 some of the sun | 08:45 | |
| seb128 | :-- | 08:45 |
| seb128 | :-) | 08:45 |
| * desrt looks left | 08:45 | |
| * desrt looks right | 08:45 | |
| seb128 | hey desrt ;-) | 08:45 |
| * desrt fight fight fight | 08:45 | |
| larsu | nobody fights in here | 08:45 |
| desrt | hey seb. did you survive carnival? | 08:45 |
| pitti | hey seb128! | 08:47 |
| pitti | and hey desrt! | 08:47 |
| desrt | hi pitti :) | 08:47 |
| seb128 | hey pitti :-) | 08:47 |
| didrocks | hey larsu | 08:47 |
| pitti | seb128: (double-greeting, can't hurt!) | 08:47 |
| didrocks | morning desrt | 08:47 |
| desrt | we tried to escape carnival yesterday by going to nijmegen. that didn't really work. | 08:47 |
| seb128 | pitti, indeed! | 08:47 |
| pitti | hello larsu | 08:47 |
| desrt | turns out carnival is international | 08:47 |
| pitti | pretty calm here | 08:47 |
| desrt | didrocks: hello | 08:47 |
| seb128 | it's not a big thing here | 08:47 |
| desrt | apparently in .nl it's bigger in the south | 08:48 |
| pitti | unfortunately the storm caused a lot of the carnival parties to get cancelled | 08:48 |
| larsu | desrt: "international"? Have you heard of this little country called Brazil? | 08:48 |
| larsu | morgen pitti et bonjour didrocks! | 08:48 |
| desrt | larsu: that's in louisiana, right? | 08:48 |
| * larsu slaps forehead | 08:48 | |
| pitti | yeah, near New Brazileans | 08:49 |
| desrt | huh. i've been spelling that name wrong the entire time. go figure. | 08:50 |
| desrt | well, that's french spelling for you | 08:50 |
| * desrt makes a mental note | 08:50 | |
| desrt | larsu: how much longer in .cz? | 08:52 |
| larsu | desrt: how was nijmegen? | 08:52 |
| larsu | desrt: -2 days | 08:52 |
| desrt | pretty good. i like this city. just the right size to cross the main area from one side to the other in ~30 minutes walking | 08:52 |
| larsu | s/to cross the main area from one side to the other in ~30 minutes walking | 08:53 |
| desrt | but the waterfront is really ugly... i didn't remember that from before... lots of nice views from parks _to_ the water... but looking at the city from the water is like "wtf are they doing here?" | 08:53 |
| larsu | /for ingress/ | 08:53 |
| desrt | lol no. in that case, it takes 2 hours :) | 08:53 |
| desrt | this was after we were done and going to dinner | 08:54 |
| desrt | went to an interesting all-you-can-eat place that has various "street foods" from the entire world | 08:54 |
| desrt | none of which are produced accurately... but all of which still taste very good by the custom interpretation | 08:55 |
| Laney | moin | 09:00 |
| seb128 | hey Laney! | 09:00 |
| alexarnaud | didrocks: oh it's very interesting job :) ! | 09:00 |
| alexarnaud | hey larsu Laney willcooke :)! | 09:01 |
| willcooke | morning | 09:01 |
| Sweet5hark | moin! | 09:02 |
| willcooke | howdy Sweet5hark | 09:02 |
| seb128 | hey willcooke | 09:03 |
| seb128 | hey Sweet5hark | 09:04 |
| Sweet5hark | willcooke, seb128: heya | 09:04 |
| * Sweet5hark finds another build in a "INFO: pkgstripfiles: waiting for lock (libreoffice-XXX) ..." race condition/loop. | 09:05 | |
| Laney | hey seb128 and alexarnaud! | 09:09 |
| Sweet5hark | ohh! lets make this a clickbait! | 09:29 |
| Sweet5hark | 2633 surprising reasons why you shouldnt deploy Apache OpenOffice ever: http://people.apache.org/~pfg/aoo-scan/ | 09:30 |
| desrt | i can't help but to see "apache" and think of broadway | 09:44 |
| desrt | openoffice is web-enabled now! | 09:44 |
| Sweet5hark | desrt: since the list includes use-after-free and out-of-bounds-array access, this suggests you can remotely make AOO to be anything you want it to be (including "web-enabled") | 09:50 |
| seb128 | Sweet5hark, what's the status of that libreoffice update? we are getting close from feature freeze, would be nice to land it | 10:25 |
| Sweet5hark | seb128: 5.1.0/xenial? rebased on dokos changes, build completed successfully ~everywhere against proposed -- except i386, which again ran into a race condition/loop on the builder (build restarted). | 10:27 |
| willcooke | attente, seb128, thanks for the hi dpi fixes | 10:28 |
| seb128 | willcooke, yw! | 10:28 |
| Sweet5hark | seb128: you will have a package on people.canonical.com for upload today, Id say. | 10:28 |
| seb128 | Sweet5hark, excellent, thank you | 10:28 |
| Sweet5hark | seb128: that said, this race condition/loop thing is curious, I have seen it on two platforms now, both were happy after a retry. Seems like a generic problem in our builder setup -- and LibreOffice likely just hits it more than others as it is a longer build. | 10:32 |
| Trevinho | seb128: hey, can you help in reviewing this https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/unity/proper-multiarch/+merge/285426 ? | 10:41 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, hey, I can have a look after lunch | 10:41 |
| Trevinho | ok, thanks... | 10:42 |
| seb128 | yw! | 10:42 |
| michael-vb | seb128: me again. Just for information, the monitors.xml file appears if I set a resolution using unity-control-center. As of then, dynamic resizing is broken until I delete it and kill -9 unity-settings-daemon. | 10:42 |
| seb128 | michael-vb, k, please write that in the bug report | 10:43 |
| michael-vb | Will do. Enjoy your lunch. | 10:43 |
| seb128 | thanks | 10:43 |
| michael-vb | (You must be further east than me...) | 10:43 |
| seb128 | I'm on european time, but need to go for some errands and I'm going to have lunch after that | 10:44 |
| seb128 | bbiab | 10:44 |
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| willcooke | tjaalton, hey - are you aware of any Intel gfx driver issues atm? | 11:22 |
| willcooke | like are there any new versions coming down the pipe to fix anything? | 11:22 |
| tjaalton | willcooke: no new bugs being filed anyway | 11:22 |
| willcooke | tjaalton, thx | 11:23 |
| willcooke | Laney, any X dash issues on your XPS? (Is it hi dpi?) | 11:23 |
| Laney | what kind of issues? | 11:24 |
| willcooke | Laney, slow dash opening, generally clunky | 11:24 |
| Laney | no | 11:24 |
| Laney | it's fine sorry :( | 11:24 |
| willcooke | sabdfl, your laptop is Hi DPI right? | 11:25 |
| sabdfl | willcooke, yes indeed | 11:25 |
| willcooke | thx sabdfl | 11:25 |
| * willcooke ponders | 11:25 | |
| Laney | 3200x1800 here | 11:25 |
| Laney | but xenial | 11:25 |
| willcooke | Trevinho, fyi - issues with dash being slow in X ^ | 11:25 |
| Trevinho | mh... | 11:26 |
| Trevinho | something driver related it seems... | 11:26 |
| willcooke | thats what I was thinking | 11:26 |
| andyrock | morning all | 11:27 |
| tjaalton | dash search is always slow ;) | 11:27 |
| Trevinho | tjaalton: that's somewhat true :-P | 11:27 |
| willcooke | sabdfl, just to confirm.. this is slowness when opening the dash, and it rendering on screen - or slowness in populating the dash with icons etc | 11:28 |
| Trevinho | Well, it depends... Really it depeends on the source | 11:28 |
| Trevinho | sabdfl: also... Only dash or also switcher / shutdown dialog (unity views, in general). | 11:29 |
| Trevinho | ? | 11:29 |
| sabdfl | willcooke, it's slowness on GL transitions - fades, merges. Opening the dash... is... like... this.... | 11:55 |
| sabdfl | looks like it affects the HUD too | 11:55 |
| willcooke | Trevinho, ^ | 11:55 |
| tjaalton | lsmod|grep ^i915 | 11:56 |
| tjaalton | sabdfl: ^ | 11:56 |
| doko | seb128, Laney: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/geoclue-providers/0.12.99-2ubuntu4 this still belongs to -desktop, but is in universe. prevents libgps cruft removal | 11:56 |
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| Trevinho | sabdfl: can you run /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p for reference? | 11:57 |
| sabdfl | Trevinho, lots of green yes's | 11:58 |
| tjaalton | that's more detailed yes | 11:59 |
| Trevinho | sabdfl: renderer is intel, right? | 11:59 |
| sabdfl | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Haswell Mobile | 11:59 |
| sabdfl | OpenGL version string: 3.0 Mesa 11.1.1 | 11:59 |
| Trevinho | ok, fine... | 11:59 |
| Trevinho | sabdfl: when the problem started happening? Just today? | 12:00 |
| tjaalton | there could be a GPU hang | 12:00 |
| tjaalton | check dmesg | 12:00 |
| Trevinho | In the unity stack there have been no updates for some weeks, so... I'd go looking something deeper | 12:00 |
| sabdfl | no, i think its been slow for a while, i just happened to have olli handy to complain to today :) | 12:00 |
| Trevinho | oh.. :) | 12:01 |
| willcooke | Laney, is your laptop Haswell too? | 12:02 |
| willcooke | or Trevinho, do you have a Haswell machine? | 12:02 |
| Trevinho | willcooke: no sir... :( | 12:02 |
| * willcooke goes to track one down | 12:03 | |
| Laney | umm | 12:03 |
| Trevinho | or... maybe... I could check my father's laptop | 12:03 |
| tjaalton | it's likely a hung gpu causing it | 12:03 |
| tjaalton | the driver does an auto-reset but it might still get stuck running on the lowest frequency | 12:04 |
| Laney | broadwell apparently | 12:04 |
| willcooke | thanks Laney | 12:05 |
| willcooke | tjaalton, any recent updates to the driver? | 12:05 |
| willcooke | recent ish | 12:05 |
| tjaalton | a week ago | 12:06 |
| willcooke | oki | 12:06 |
| tjaalton | sabdfl: is it like that right after bootup? | 12:06 |
| willcooke | I think we need to find a Haswell machine to test this on | 12:07 |
| sabdfl | machine has been up a little while, i could reboot | 12:07 |
| willcooke | tjaalton, will gpu hangs be logged in syslog? | 12:09 |
| tjaalton | yes | 12:09 |
| tjaalton | shows in dmesg and kern.log | 12:09 |
| willcooke | sabdfl, could you paste your syslog and kern.log to paste.canonical.com ? | 12:09 |
| willcooke | or similar | 12:09 |
| pitti | Sweet5hark: seems the ubuntu8 LibO regresses on s390x, and one retry didn't help; is that JunitTest_sot_complex thing somethign that just tends to fail often, or something which should be looked at? | 12:19 |
| pitti | Sweet5hark: not that s390x would be particularly important for LibO of course, so I'm fine with just ignoring it | 12:19 |
| pitti | doko: ^ FYI | 12:19 |
| pitti | correction, I alredy did two retries | 12:19 |
| pitti | http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/libr/libreoffice/xenial/s390x/ | 12:20 |
| pitti | a shame, as otherwise it worked fairly well up to now | 12:20 |
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| === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr | ||
| Laney | doko: this doesn't make sense | 12:31 |
| Laney | how did libgps -2 migrate if it's a transition that breaks packages? | 12:31 |
| Laney | guess someone gets to figure out the API changes now | 12:31 |
| doko | Laney, just saw it in NBS. fyi, upstream doesn't have this source anymore, but a new geoclue 2.4.2 | 12:33 |
| Laney | I know | 12:33 |
| Sweet5hark | pitti: interesting. | 12:40 |
| Sweet5hark | pitti: so, this is ubuntu8 vs ubuntu7 (which used to work on s390x), right? | 12:40 |
| pitti | Sweet5hark: right | 12:41 |
| === hikiko|ln is now known as hikiko | ||
| Sweet5hark | pitti: there wasnt too much of a change between those two: doko added multiarch foo. | 12:41 |
| doko | Sweet5hark, does LO use transactional memory? | 12:42 |
| Sweet5hark | pitti: sot is fairly low in the stack -- if its broken, many things might be. OTOH, this is an out-of-process java junit test interacting with libreoffice as another process ... | 12:43 |
| Sweet5hark | pitti: sooo, chances are, this has nothing to do with the sot part (that the test intends to target), but with general toolchain/java/whatever issues. External java testing has been fairly stable on common used platforms, but somewhat shaky elsewhere ... | 12:45 |
| pitti | Sweet5hark: or coudl that be related to building with JDK8 now? | 12:45 |
| Sweet5hark | pitti: yeah, possibly. | 12:45 |
| pitti | Sweet5hark: ubuntu8 might have built against the current java-common in -proposed which switches to JDK8 by default | 12:45 |
| * Sweet5hark looks at the log. | 12:46 | |
| Sweet5hark | pitti: hmmm, that throws a RuntimeExcpetion in the loop after http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/sot/qa/complex/olesimplestorage/Test01.java#105 .. | 12:51 |
| Sweet5hark | which triggers file-io in LibreOffice and reads Bytes on it. Likely the stream read is truncated or something. | 12:54 |
| Sweet5hark | pitti: doesnt fire a synapse immediately for me how multiarch or a different jvm should trigger that. | 12:56 |
| pitti | Sweet5hark: ok; we can retry 0ubuntu7 on current xenial after the queues have settled down (due to perl), then it's easier to compare | 12:57 |
| Sweet5hark | pitti: OTOH I intend to bump us to 5.1.0~rc3 ~today -- which will present us with a whole new and different arrangement of failures anyway ... | 12:58 |
| pitti | haha | 12:58 |
| pitti | Sweet5hark: as I said, I'm happy to ignore this failure, but as there are a few other regressions due to JDK8 I thought you shold at least ack this | 12:59 |
| Sweet5hark | pitti: so, TBH i wouldnt overinvest in getting 5.0 on xenial nice and clean as we will throw it away anyhow. | 13:00 |
| pitti | Sweet5hark: but, but.. all those s390x LibO users! (I'm sure you can find a way to actually run it through ssh or something :) ) | 13:00 |
| pitti | Sweet5hark: ok, so ignore that failure to let ubuntu8 land, and see how 5.1 behaves? | 13:00 |
| Sweet5hark | pitti: yeah, thanks for the heads-up. I would likely need a login on a builder box (and rewrite that test in C++ to keep sane) to debug that ... | 13:01 |
| Sweet5hark | pitti: yes | 13:01 |
| pitti | Sweet5hark: I can give you temp ssh access to that (but as I said, they are swamped right now, so not now) | 13:01 |
| Sweet5hark | pitti: yeah. lets reinvestigate when the smoke clears over libreoffice 5.1 | 13:02 |
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| Sweet5hark | pitti: (BTW looking at the failure its "all those s390x users doing Microsoft OLE-Object embedding in LibreOffice") | 13:06 |
| Sweet5hark | I bet that one user out there is very effective in filing lots of bugs and raising hell about it though. | 13:07 |
| * Sweet5hark just realizes that homeopathy work for IT too. | 13:08 | |
| Sweet5hark | haswell? /me is still hearing the atmosphere on 2nd generation i7. | 13:38 |
| Sweet5hark | s/hearing/heating/ | 13:38 |
| Laney | Restore the scaling on the greeter | 13:56 |
| Laney | :-oooooooooooooooooooooooo | 13:56 |
| pitti | ^ is that a giraffe? | 13:58 |
| seb128 | urg | 14:05 |
| seb128 | daily iso has no ati/intel/nouveau/radeon/qxl/vesa xorg drivers | 14:06 |
| seb128 | no wonder the greeter doesn't show :p | 14:06 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, ^ known? | 14:06 |
| tjaalton | huh | 14:06 |
| tjaalton | xenial? | 14:06 |
| seb128 | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/xenial-desktop-amd64.manifest | 14:06 |
| seb128 | but yeah | 14:06 |
| seb128 | Laney, I wanted to test ubiquity/Webkit2 :p | 14:06 |
| seb128 | well, still on it, need a working session first | 14:06 |
| tjaalton | hmm, probably because -amdgpu is not in main yet | 14:07 |
| Laney | heh | 14:07 |
| tjaalton | added it to -video-all, wouldn't have expected this to happen :P | 14:07 |
| seb128 | :-/ | 14:07 |
| seb128 | and we keep publishing isos as current when they don't start | 14:07 |
| seb128 | annoying | 14:07 |
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| tjaalton | I'll file a MIR and get it moved today | 14:08 |
| seb128 | thanks | 14:08 |
| tjaalton | or without MIR, it's a no-brainer | 14:08 |
| seb128 | check with the MIR team I guess? | 14:08 |
| seb128 | I can do the archive promotion for you | 14:08 |
| tjaalton | checking with #u-r now | 14:09 |
| tjaalton | sabdfl, willcooke: xenial seems happy on a haswell laptop here, so it's not a widespread issue I hope | 14:48 |
| willcooke | sabdfl, do you have the discrete gfx hardware as well or just the Intel built in one? | 14:48 |
| willcooke | thanks tjaalton | 14:49 |
| sabdfl | willcooke, i think intel only | 14:51 |
| sabdfl | mark@mark-XPS-15:~$ lspci | grep VGA | 14:51 |
| sabdfl | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 06) | 14:51 |
| willcooke | thx sabdfl | 14:51 |
| seb128 | Laney, ubiquity webkit2 doesn't work for me, the slides don't show :-/ | 14:54 |
| seb128 | unsure where to look, /var/log/installer/debug has "(process:8709): Gtk-WARNING **: This process is currently running setuid or setgid. This is not a supported use of GTK+. You must create a helper" | 14:55 |
| seb128 | Laney, using the laney/wk2 package published an hour ago or so | 14:56 |
| doko | Trevinho, Laney, seb128: looking at sphinxbase ... | 15:02 |
| doko | * amd64: gstreamer0.10-pocketsphinx, libpocketsphinx-dev, libpocketsphinx1, libunityvoice1, libunityvoice1-dev, pocketsphinx-utils, python-pocketsphinx, python-pocketsphinx-dbg, simon, sphinx3, sphinxtrain, sphinxtrain-dev, unity-voice-autopilot, unity-voice-service | 15:02 |
| seb128 | doko, yes? | 15:03 |
| doko | Logan synced sphinxbase, but it won't migrate. is there any reason not to continue the transition? | 15:03 |
| seb128 | not that I know of | 15:03 |
| seb128 | I had to look at the unity-voice build issue on my list but didn't manage to find slots for it yet | 15:03 |
| seb128 | if you want to do it that would be nice | 15:03 |
| doko | I'll look and do the other rdeps first | 15:08 |
| seb128 | doko, thanks | 15:11 |
| seb128 | urg | 15:19 |
| seb128 | pitti, larsu, my /var/log/journal is 2G ... is that expected? is there any cleaning done for that one or does it just accumulate over time? | 15:19 |
| pitti | seb128: it is expected, yes; the journal grows until it hits SystemMaxUse= (by default 10%), or if the remaining free space drops bwlow SystemKeepFree= (default 15%), then the oldest stuff gets rotated out | 15:22 |
| pitti | seb128: i. e. it dynamically grows and shrinks with the amount of available disk space | 15:22 |
| seb128 | k, weird | 15:22 |
| seb128 | I had less that 1G free disk this week | 15:22 |
| seb128 | and still the journal is 2G | 15:22 |
| pitti | you can also configure it to a more "classic" SystemMaxFileSize=, but I think that dynamic one is a better default | 15:22 |
| seb128 | I'm often around 900M free disk on that 80G drive | 15:23 |
| seb128 | is there a command I can run to garbage collect the journal/clean out old entries? | 15:23 |
| seb128 | just rm? | 15:23 |
| pitti | yes, you can just rm the files, but a bug report with "df" and an ls -l /var/log/journal/* would be good | 15:24 |
| seb128 | I'm going to do that next time, I've deleted vms and pbuilder cache & other things and I'm back up to 10G free | 15:25 |
| pitti | seb128: a more fine-grained command is journalctl --vacuum-{size,time,files}, see manpage | 15:25 |
| seb128 | thanks | 15:25 |
| pitti | seb128: can you compare the output of | 15:26 |
| pitti | sudo du -hs /var/log/journal/ | 15:26 |
| pitti | with | 15:26 |
| pitti | sudo journalctl --disk-usage | 15:26 |
| pitti | ? | 15:26 |
| seb128 | Archived and active journals take up 1.9G on disk. | 15:26 |
| seb128 | 2,0G/var/log/journal/ | 15:26 |
| pitti | I have 2.7 GB, and 77G free on / | 15:26 |
| pitti | ok, that sounds about right | 15:27 |
| pitti | wow, my logs start on September 21, that's a looot of history | 15:28 |
| seb128 | -rw-r-x---+ 1 root systemd-journal 48M juin 28 2015 system@00051997a0a1257b-e | 15:28 |
| seb128 | 81a5e1204d5e56d.journal~ | 15:28 |
| seb128 | pitti, ^ beat you ;-) | 15:28 |
| * desrt senses a disturbance in the force | 15:29 | |
| Laney | seb128: ok, let me try again | 15:29 |
| willcooke | it's time!!!11 | 15:30 |
| willcooke | #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-02-09 | 15:30 |
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| desrt | o hai | 15:30 |
| willcooke | hi desrt ! | 15:30 |
| seb128 | hey | 15:30 |
| willcooke | Roll call: andyrock, attente, desrt, dgadomski, fjkong(out), happyaron(out), hikiko, laney, larsu, qengho(out), seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter(out), trevinho, robert_ancell (out) | 15:30 |
| Trevinho | o/ | 15:30 |
| didrocks | hey! | 15:31 |
| didrocks | (ok running out :p) | 15:31 |
| hikiko | hey! | 15:31 |
| willcooke | hi didrocks! | 15:31 |
| * desrt misses didrocks' name on the list | 15:31 | |
| andyrock | Ho | 15:31 |
| willcooke | :( | 15:31 |
| andyrock | Ho | 15:31 |
| * didrocks hugs desrt | 15:31 | |
| * desrt feels warm | 15:32 | |
| larsu | o/ | 15:32 |
| andyrock | My keyboard does not like me | 15:32 |
| larsu | didrocks is here in spirit | 15:32 |
| larsu | well, and he's actually present | 15:32 |
| willcooke | :) | 15:32 |
| willcooke | I figured we'd go round the list as usual and each person can paste their update and the 16.04 landings update | 15:34 |
| willcooke | then if there are questions etc we can address them, then move on to the next person | 15:34 |
| willcooke | Let's begin... | 15:34 |
| willcooke | #topic andyrock | 15:34 |
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| andyrock | I ve been working on launcher integration. The branch is almost done. I m a bit blocked because libappstream-glib gives us icon as pixbufs and not gicons but nothing impossible to workaround | 15:35 |
| andyrock | G-s launcher integration | 15:35 |
| andyrock | I ll try to finish it by the end of tomorrow | 15:35 |
| willcooke | ^H^H^H thanks | 15:36 |
| willcooke | anything pending for 16.04 feature wise? I think that's all right? | 15:36 |
| andyrock | For the thing I want to push before ff | 15:36 |
| andyrock | Just this one | 15:36 |
| andyrock | And startup notifications | 15:37 |
| andyrock | Should go without problems | 15:37 |
| seb128 | did the session dialogs changes landed? or did that got removed from the xenial list? | 15:37 |
| andyrock | Not yet :\ | 15:37 |
| andyrock | But it s low priority | 15:37 |
| seb128 | well, that's sort of the point of doing the status update on feature now | 15:38 |
| seb128 | either we drop them or get them done in the next week or so | 15:38 |
| andyrock | I would rather push the other two | 15:38 |
| seb128 | I guess it means that one is not for this cycle? | 15:38 |
| seb128 | right, it's fine | 15:38 |
| seb128 | we just need to focus on the important bits ;-) | 15:38 |
| andyrock | I ll try but no promise | 15:38 |
| andyrock | :) | 15:38 |
| seb128 | thanks | 15:39 |
| andyrock | No | 15:39 |
| willcooke | better to focus on getting the launcher stuff done | 15:39 |
| seb128 | just retarget it to next cycle if it's not going to land | 15:39 |
| andyrock | Np | 15:39 |
| andyrock | Sure | 15:39 |
| willcooke | thanks andyrock | 15:39 |
| willcooke | seb128, anything else here? | 15:39 |
| seb128 | no ;-) | 15:39 |
| willcooke | good stuff, thanks | 15:40 |
| willcooke | #topic attente | 15:40 |
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| Trevinho | andyrock: I can help if needed with features in case... | 15:40 |
| attente | unity-greeter hi-dpi menu positioning fix | 15:41 |
| attente | more discussions and revisions to https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756579... | 15:41 |
| seb128 | thanks for that one! | 15:41 |
| ubot5` | Gnome bug 756579 in Widget: GtkMenu "GTK should let GDK position menus" [Critical,Needinfo] | 15:41 |
| attente | implemented ubuntu-sso login dialog for submitting reviews in gnome software, struggling with some (i think) threading issues.......... | 15:41 |
| desrt | attente: happy to help look at those | 15:41 |
| attente | seb128: np! | 15:41 |
| attente | desrt: thanks | 15:42 |
| willcooke | thanks attente | 15:42 |
| willcooke | keep me posted on the SSo work | 15:42 |
| willcooke | attente, I dont think you have any other 16.04 landings, right? | 15:43 |
| doko | looking at pocketsphinx ... Laney, finding your name in the changelog ... is there still need for the various english language models? | 15:43 |
| Laney | doko: 1) meeting 2) dunno | 15:44 |
| attente | no | 15:44 |
| willcooke | thanks attente | 15:45 |
| willcooke | #topic desrt | 15:45 |
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| desrt | hi. refactoring the gsettings work to a nicer state. | 15:45 |
| desrt | started to have some more serious discussions about timellines and when/how this will land (the containerisation work) | 15:45 |
| desrt | looking at early next cycle, so it can get lots of users by 16.10 | 15:45 |
| desrt | hope to have the 'upstream' stuff mostly done by march | 15:46 |
| desrt | not really a 16.04 target, but 'just after 16.04' | 15:46 |
| desrt | that's all for technical stuff | 15:46 |
| willcooke | thanks desrt | 15:47 |
| willcooke | #topic dgadomski | 15:47 |
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| dgadomski | hey | 15:47 |
| dgadomski | * investigated a complaint to bug 1337873 - it appeared that user was depending on unsupported behaviour | 15:47 |
| ubot5` | bug 1337873 in ifupdown (Debian) "ifupdown initialization problems caused by race condition" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1337873 | 15:47 |
| dgadomski | * tested fix to bug 1538724 - looking good | 15:47 |
| ubot5` | bug 1538724 in firefox (Ubuntu Wily) "GraphicsCriticalError: |[0][GFX1]: Unknown cairo format 3" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1538724 | 15:47 |
| dgadomski | (eof) | 15:47 |
| willcooke | thanks dgadomski | 15:47 |
| dgadomski | thank you | 15:47 |
| willcooke | #topic hikiko | 15:48 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-02-09 | Current topic: hikiko | ||
| hikiko | I am working on the ezoom integration: I did some fixes on nux and unity to be able to use the code I had already and now I debug the transformations that take place when I add the compiz zoom transformation matrix to the nux matrix stack. Compiz and nux have different matrix representations and stacks and I am trying to see if I can use the scale matrix in a way that the components are scaled automatically avoiding the double scaling issues | 15:48 |
| hikiko | I had the other time (although at the end I ll have to scale 1 by 1 the unity components that are not rendered by nux). | 15:48 |
| hikiko | eof :) | 15:48 |
| seb128 | what's the status of the CSD decorations? that still didn't land? | 15:48 |
| hikiko | no, it's under review | 15:49 |
| hikiko | marco will review it but he has the launcher and all that | 15:49 |
| seb128 | k | 15:49 |
| seb128 | it's getting late | 15:49 |
| seb128 | we said in London that things should be done a week after the sprint | 15:49 |
| seb128 | that was back in 2015 ;-) | 15:50 |
| larsu | a year ago! | 15:50 |
| seb128 | oh well, I hope it lands this week | 15:50 |
| hikiko | well the code seems to work but it needs to be reviewed | 15:50 |
| hikiko | and tested | 15:50 |
| seb128 | right | 15:50 |
| hikiko | btw | 15:50 |
| hikiko | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LABxkCLVSUg seb128 | 15:50 |
| seb128 | it might be useful to put it in a silo for testing? | 15:50 |
| hikiko | I don't know if I pasted it the other time | 15:51 |
| seb128 | anyway it was not especially for you hikiko | 15:51 |
| seb128 | we just need as a team to see that landing | 15:51 |
| seb128 | hikiko, thanks ;-) | 15:51 |
| willcooke | seb128, Trevinho - lets see where we are on Friday ^ | 15:51 |
| seb128 | k | 15:52 |
| willcooke | thanks hikiko | 15:52 |
| willcooke | #topic Laney | 15:52 |
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| Trevinho | ok | 15:52 |
| Laney | • short week, short status! | 15:52 |
| Laney | • Updated appstream-cloud to be properly integrated with prodstack & have some more actions and nagios checks, contribute patches to increase coverage and find new icons faster, debug some issues | 15:52 |
| Laney | ∘ Fighting with IS over restrictive policies meaning we can't download screenshots | 15:52 |
| Laney | • Worked on rebasing wk2 packages on the archive and a new port for sphinx tests which got enabled in the meantime (16.04 feature, will be in before FF) | 15:52 |
| Laney | • helped to land terminal scrollbar fix | 15:53 |
| Laney | ︘ | 15:53 |
| willcooke | thanks Laney, anything 16.04 related looking risky? (screenshots download aside) | 15:54 |
| seb128 | Laney, how is the wk2 transition looking? I start to see today if I can help a bit on testing/reviewing but I'm probably not going to have limited slots for that | 15:54 |
| Laney | you are not going to have limited slots? | 15:54 |
| Laney | that sounds good | 15:54 |
| seb128 | -not | 15:54 |
| Laney | WHAT | 15:54 |
| seb128 | doh, I was typing something else and changed mid way :p | 15:54 |
| Laney | it's fine | 15:55 |
| Laney | dunno why ubiquity broke though, that worked before | 15:55 |
| Laney | annoying | 15:55 |
| seb128 | well, I can help a bit, so let me know if there is something you would prefer me to look at | 15:55 |
| seb128 | is it buggy for you as well? | 15:55 |
| Laney | yeah | 15:55 |
| Laney | it's something to do with it running as root | 15:55 |
| seb128 | yeah :-/ | 15:55 |
| Laney | POs | 15:55 |
| Laney | POS | 15:55 |
| Laney | POSPOSPOSPSOPSO | 15:55 |
| * Sweet5hark slowly backs away ... | 15:56 | |
| willcooke | thanks a lot Laney | 15:56 |
| willcooke | #topic larsu | 15:56 |
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| larsu | last meeting :( | 15:56 |
| seb128 | :-( | 15:56 |
| attente | :( | 15:57 |
| willcooke | :(( | 15:57 |
| larsu | not a lot to report: slightly shorter week as well | 15:57 |
| larsu | did some administration stuff (turns out I'm leaving) | 15:57 |
| seb128 | wait! you lease on the 18th, next meeting is on the 16th? | 15:57 |
| * pitti sheds a tear for larsu | 15:57 | |
| Trevinho | :'( | 15:57 |
| larsu | seb128: some last days of holiday | 15:57 |
| seb128 | ah right | 15:57 |
| seb128 | larsu, we are going to miss you! | 15:57 |
| willcooke | we are indeed | 15:57 |
| * seb128 hugs larsu | 15:57 | |
| larsu | I'm off Monday at noon officially | 15:57 |
| * larsu hugs EVERYONE | 15:58 | |
| willcooke | come and visit | 15:58 |
| * Trevinho re-hugs | 15:58 | |
| larsu | hehe | 15:58 |
| * didrocks hugs larsu as well | 15:58 | |
| * Sweet5hark shakes angry old man fist for larsu leaving us. | 15:58 | |
| larsu | haha | 15:58 |
| * pitti hugs larsu big time | 15:58 | |
| * larsu sheds a tear | 15:58 | |
| larsu | but I also have some status! | 15:58 |
| larsu | geonames index is coming along | 15:58 |
| larsu | should probably talk to desrt at some point - she might be the next maintainer | 15:59 |
| larsu | also fixed scrollbars in terminals (THEME!) | 15:59 |
| larsu | (with a bad hack sadly, but I couldn't think of anything better) | 15:59 |
| larsu | </larsu> | 15:59 |
| desrt | bye bye larsu | 15:59 |
| willcooke | thanks larsu | 15:59 |
| willcooke | any news on your bike? | 16:00 |
| larsu | have to buy new wheels | 16:00 |
| larsu | rode Faina's today | 16:00 |
| larsu | it's ... small | 16:00 |
| willcooke | :) | 16:00 |
| willcooke | it's been a pleasure larsu, sorry you're going. Will chat later in the week. | 16:01 |
| willcooke | #topic seb128 | 16:01 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-02-09 | Current topic: seb128 | ||
| seb128 | • some desktop updates (gedit, gnome-calculator, gtk) | 16:01 |
| seb128 | • reverted the gtk fileselector single-click-open behaviour change | 16:01 |
| seb128 | • gnome-software/packagekit/aptdaemon discussions | 16:01 |
| seb128 | • synced new manpages from Debian (yeah, remaining delta deprecated by upstream changes!) | 16:01 |
| seb128 | • reverted nautilus in xenial, discussed the new version with upstream | 16:01 |
| seb128 | • patch pilot shift | 16:01 |
| seb128 | • fixed low res icon for the unity-control-center sound panel | 16:01 |
| seb128 | • enabled hi-dpi scaling on unity-greeter | 16:01 |
| seb128 | • tested ubiquity/webkitgtk2, debugging xenial daily not starting on the way (missing xorg drivers) | 16:01 |
| seb128 | </week> | 16:01 |
| willcooke | thanks seb128 | 16:02 |
| seb128 | I don't have features on my personal list, but I'm trying to see if I can help others to land the remaining things we need to land | 16:02 |
| seb128 | e.g webkitgtk2 | 16:02 |
| seb128 | gnome-software | 16:02 |
| seb128 | libreoffice 5.1 | 16:02 |
| seb128 | let me know if you think I can help you with some feature that still need to land | 16:02 |
| larsu | seb128: do you know if removing software works now? I found the issue at the hackfest, but don't know if it ended up being fixe | 16:02 |
| larsu | *fixed | 16:02 |
| seb128 | larsu, I don't know, but robert_ancell is wriing an aptdaemon backend | 16:03 |
| seb128 | since porting the archive away from it was not really doable | 16:03 |
| seb128 | and packagekit is slow | 16:03 |
| larsu | ah, right | 16:03 |
| seb128 | seems the safest option for this cycle | 16:03 |
| larsu | indeed | 16:03 |
| willcooke | #topic TheMuso | 16:04 |
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| willcooke | Accessibility profile manager rework: | 16:04 |
| willcooke | * The core library has been written, and is functional. It still may receive some minor functionality improvements and API additions/changes, but it is working. The package is in the new queue now, and a MIR will be applied for as soon as its in the archive. | 16:04 |
| willcooke | * I've also written a small CLI utility to facilitate quick testing, both the library, and profile metadata itself. | 16:04 |
| willcooke | * UI wise, for the time being, I have created an indicator that shows the available accessibility profiles in a list, with the currently enabled profile shown as such. This indicator will be off by default, but will be shown during install, and whenever a profile is enabled. I'll probably add another option to the indicator menu to allow the user to hide it if they wish, regardless of whether a profile is enabled or not. | 16:04 |
| willcooke | * I have a small change that I still need to propose for merging in the universal access panel of Unity control center. The change adds a profiles tab, with a simple toggle switch, to show or hide the indicator. I am using the org.gnome.desktop.a11y always-show-universal-access-status GSettings schema and key. GNOME shell uses this to allow the user to show or hide its own accessibility menu, so since we don't use it, I thought to be | 16:04 |
| willcooke | somewhat compatible with GNOME shell, I would use this GSettings value too. It should be noted that I have not done any work to integrate this profiles mechanism into any of the GTK based Ubuntu derivatives as of yet. | 16:04 |
| willcooke | * The same profiles tab in the universal access control center panel will likely be expanded in the future to show a list of profiles, and allow the user to activate/deactivate profiles. Will not be done this cycle, likely need to discuss the best UI to use in this context. | 16:04 |
| willcooke | Still to do: | 16:05 |
| willcooke | * Refactor Ubiquity to launch the new a11y profile indicator. At the moment, Ubiquity ahs its own indicator with the hard-coded list of profiles. Using the new indicator in ubiquity should be trivial. | 16:05 |
| willcooke | * Implement a mechanism to notify the user of available accessib | 16:05 |
| willcooke | ility profiles if they start using an assistive technology like Orca. THis is low priority, because I am not entirely sure of the best way to present this to the user UI wise, probably something for next cycle, although I will see what I can come up with, if I find myself with time to spare. | 16:05 |
| willcooke | * Patch Orca to use GSettings as its settings backend of choice if the user doesn't have any existing Orca configuration present. | 16:05 |
| willcooke | * Integrate everything into the desktop image, i.e seeds, MIR (discussed above), ubiquity etc. | 16:05 |
| willcooke | Other stuff: | 16:05 |
| willcooke | * Getting a final opinion on whether we want pulseaudio 8. If others involved with audio stuff are agreeable, that will likely be in by the end of this week. | 16:05 |
| willcooke | I don't expect I will need to file any feature freeze exception requests, but that will depend on how long the package will take to get into the archive, and get a MIR approved. | 16:05 |
| willcooke | chew on that... | 16:05 |
| seb128 | that's quite a verbose summary! | 16:05 |
| willcooke | I was supposed to summarise, but I didnt | 16:06 |
| seb128 | lol | 16:06 |
| seb128 | I see :-) | 16:06 |
| willcooke | :) | 16:06 |
| seb128 | you don't get to write that on your weekly status update then :p | 16:06 |
| willcooke | :) | 16:06 |
| willcooke | #topic tkamppeter | 16:06 |
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| larsu | irc character limit reached for the day | 16:06 |
| seb128 | +1 on geting the news pulseaudio | 16:06 |
| willcooke | seb128, agreed | 16:07 |
| willcooke | - cups-filters: Added facility to optionally create local queues pointing to remote raw queues. Before only remote queues with driver/PPD were taken into account. | 16:07 |
| willcooke | - Printing Architecture: Debian has dropped LSB support. Studied alternatives for creating distribution-independent binary packages. | 16:07 |
| willcooke | - OpenPrinting Summit: Sent out first speaker invitations. | 16:07 |
| willcooke | - Performance review. | 16:07 |
| willcooke | - Bugs. | 16:07 |
| willcooke | What should go into 16.04 from my side is: | 16:07 |
| willcooke | - Printing stack on the phone. | 16:07 |
| willcooke | - Get Ghostscript synced with Debian, Will please make the security team pass the openjpeg MIR before FF. Thanks. | 16:07 |
| willcooke | - HPLIP 3.16.2 (got released today) | 16:08 |
| willcooke | - CUPS 2.1.3 | 16:08 |
| willcooke | - The usual pre-FF round of version checks on all printing-related packages to have them up to date. | 16:08 |
| willcooke | tkamppeter's stuff is all in good shape - I'll see what we can do with the MIR | 16:08 |
| willcooke | #topic Trevinho | 16:08 |
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| Trevinho | · Zeitgeist upstart and vacuum support | 16:08 |
| Trevinho | · Updated unity nautilus patches for 3.14 revert | 16:08 |
| Trevinho | · Working on fixing lp:unity failure (big thanks to cjwatson! didrocks hijacking failed :-D) | 16:08 |
| Trevinho | · libwnck new upstream release and some mainteinance | 16:08 |
| Trevinho | · fixes to unity upstream to support multi-arch natively | 16:08 |
| Trevinho | · Fixed a launcher-filemanager integration issue | 16:08 |
| Trevinho | · Some tuning on the bottom launcher branch for kylin | 16:08 |
| Trevinho | · Unity theming improvements | 16:08 |
| Trevinho | · Unity packaging fixes (moving the non-lib bits from libunity-core package) | 16:08 |
| Trevinho | · Reviews?! | 16:08 |
| Trevinho | | 16:08 |
| willcooke | thanks Trevinho | 16:09 |
| willcooke | so yeah, let's see how the reviews are going on Friday and see if we need to swap anything around | 16:10 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, are we landing the launcher@bottom in xenial? | 16:10 |
| willcooke | no | 16:10 |
| seb128 | k | 16:10 |
| Trevinho | seb128: we try to... | 16:10 |
| Trevinho | Ah, ok :D | 16:10 |
| seb128 | so why do we spend work on it before ff? :p | 16:10 |
| seb128 | k | 16:10 |
| seb128 | seems like a "discuss after meeting" item ;-) | 16:10 |
| willcooke | yeah, lets do that | 16:11 |
| seb128 | I didn't look at the zg on upstart into too much details | 16:11 |
| seb128 | do we really need an upstart job for that? | 16:11 |
| willcooke | thinking about it, maybe I'm wrong, because Kylin want it | 16:11 |
| willcooke | but we dont | 16:11 |
| seb128 | Laney, ^ if you want to help reviewing that it would be welcome | 16:11 |
| Trevinho | seb128: that's for ensuring the vacuum happens at the right time | 16:11 |
| seb128 | your upstart foo is probably better than mine | 16:11 |
| Laney | upstart to run vacuum? | 16:12 |
| Trevinho | we do it every 10 days... | 16:12 |
| seb128 | Laney, bug #919801 | 16:13 |
| ubot5` | bug 919801 in zeitgeist (Ubuntu) "Unity dash file search is extremely slow" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/919801 | 16:13 |
| seb128 | but let's handle that after the meeting as well | 16:13 |
| seb128 | willcooke, I'm done with questions for Trevinho ;-) | 16:14 |
| willcooke | heh | 16:14 |
| willcooke | thanks Trevinho | 16:14 |
| willcooke | #topic willcooke | 16:14 |
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| willcooke | Worrying about GNOME Software | 16:14 |
| willcooke | ASM Prep | 16:14 |
| willcooke | REviews | 16:14 |
| willcooke | more worrying about GNOME Software | 16:14 |
| seb128 | yeah :-/ | 16:14 |
| willcooke | Less worried now, and a plan for what to do next is forming | 16:15 |
| willcooke | so I think we'll work it out | 16:15 |
| willcooke | #topic any other business | 16:15 |
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| Sweet5hark | willcooke: :( nobody missing my weekly libreoffice rant? | 16:15 |
| willcooke | oh | 16:15 |
| willcooke | how did I manage that | 16:15 |
| willcooke | #topic Sweet5hark | 16:15 |
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| Sweet5hark | - 5.1.0/xenial rebases on multiarch | 16:15 |
| Sweet5hark | - 5.0.5 updates for wily | 16:15 |
| Sweet5hark | - some patch backports for trusty and precise | 16:15 |
| Sweet5hark | - work on snappy: | 16:15 |
| Sweet5hark | -- trying to get a good debug env in snappy | 16:15 |
| Sweet5hark | -- ended up bundling strace and gdb in the snap | 16:15 |
| Sweet5hark | -- build a debug build of libreoffice | 16:15 |
| Sweet5hark | -- discovered that the failures happen in obscure toolchain places (e.g. in std::ostream::sentry) that dont make much sense even in the debugger | 16:15 |
| Sweet5hark | -- reenabled tests in the build and looked at test failures in snapcraft (not snappy) | 16:15 |
| Sweet5hark | -- found similar basic weirdness around C++ std libs (e.g. stream operations) | 16:15 |
| Sweet5hark | ==> now trying to isolate a smallish testcase that doesnt need ~all of libreoffice and its infrastruce with UNO and friends | 16:15 |
| Sweet5hark | - also: FOSDEM madness (including giving a devroom talk), and TDF board/staff meetings, LibreOffice Hackfest | 16:15 |
| willcooke | thanks Sweet5hark | 16:16 |
| seb128 | willcooke, no update from robert_ancell? | 16:16 |
| willcooke | no I figure I could probably fill that in for him | 16:17 |
| willcooke | #topic robert_ancell | 16:17 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-02-09 | Current topic: robert_ancell | ||
| willcooke | GNOME Software | 16:17 |
| willcooke | #topic any other business | 16:17 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-02-09 | Current topic: any other business | ||
| seb128 | ;-) | 16:17 |
| larsu | hehe | 16:17 |
| willcooke | oki, anyone got anything else before we wrap? | 16:18 |
| willcooke | oh, please let me have your 360 names | 16:18 |
| seb128 | let's go back to work on getting those features landed? ;-) | 16:18 |
| seb128 | willcooke, when is that due? | 16:18 |
| seb128 | why do they always put admin stuff in the busy periods? :p | 16:18 |
| willcooke | ideally before MWC which is 22 Feb | 16:18 |
| seb128 | k | 16:19 |
| willcooke | oki, thanks very much everyone | 16:19 |
| willcooke | #endmeeting | 16:19 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | ||
| meetingology | Meeting ended Tue Feb 9 16:19:27 2016 UTC. | 16:19 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2016/ubuntu-desktop.2016-02-09-15.30.moin.txt | 16:19 |
| seb128 | thanks | 16:19 |
| Laney | possibly haz slideshow | 16:28 |
| seb128 | nice! | 16:29 |
| seb128 | what was it? | 16:29 |
| seb128 | Sweet5hark, how is that libreoffice update coming along? | 16:29 |
| Laney | http://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/zlidezhow.png | 16:30 |
| Laney | dropping more privileges | 16:30 |
| Laney | want to make a pkg to be sure though | 16:30 |
| Laney | also this iso is oooooooooooold | 16:30 |
| seb128 | it's the wrong animal! | 16:31 |
| Sweet5hark | seb128: finished building, is uploaded at http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/xenial/5.1.0/ -- currently updating my VM to smoketest the build (aka check if it really starts when manually kicked off on a machine). | 16:32 |
| seb128 | Sweet5hark, k | 16:33 |
| Sweet5hark | seb128: and passes smoketest, please consider sponsoring from the above link at a time of your convenience. | 16:36 |
| seb128 | Sweet5hark, great, thanks! | 16:36 |
| Sweet5hark | seb128: yw | 16:36 |
| Laney | getting off a bit early, see you! | 17:35 |
| seb128 | Laney, have fun! | 17:36 |
| willcooke | see ya Laney | 17:37 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD | ||
| Sweet5hark1 | eod | 19:03 |
| willcooke | g'night all | 19:46 |
| attente | robert_ancell: g'morning | 19:59 |
| robert_ancell | attente, hi | 20:02 |
| attente | robert_ancell: so the sso auth should be working on the branch now if you want to give it a try | 20:03 |
| robert_ancell | attente, awesome | 20:03 |
| robert_ancell | attente, the wip/rancell/reviews branch? | 20:04 |
| attente | yes | 20:04 |
| attente | robert_ancell: i'm wondering, if at some point we should clean up the branch with an interactive rebase | 20:04 |
| robert_ancell | attente, I have a branch like that I've been maintaining - it's how I've generated the patches on GNOME Bugzilla | 20:05 |
| attente | robert_ancell: oh, so there's a bug for it you've been attaching patches to? | 20:07 |
| robert_ancell | attente, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759527 | 20:07 |
| ubot5` | Gnome bug 759527 in General "Add support for reviews" [Normal,New] | 20:07 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, ping? | 21:06 |
| pitti | hello robert_ancell | 21:20 |
| * pitti should really avoid falling into the old "ping" trap at half past ten.. | 21:20 | |
| robert_ancell | pitti, hi, did you see the lightdm install issue? Seems to be related to systemd + dbus | 21:20 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, heh | 21:20 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: no, I'm not aware of that, what's the bug#? | 21:21 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, seems to be a flurry of bugs, e.g. lp:1542549 | 21:21 |
| robert_ancell | lp:#1542549 | 21:21 |
| robert_ancell | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1542549 | 21:21 |
| ubot5` | Launchpad bug 1542549 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "package lightdm 1.17.5-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [High,Confirmed] | 21:21 |
| robert_ancell | Setting up lightdm (1.17.5-0ubuntu2) ... | 21:22 |
| robert_ancell | insserv: Service dbus has to be enabled to start service lightdm | 21:22 |
| robert_ancell | insserv: exiting now! | 21:22 |
| robert_ancell | update-rc.d: error: insserv rejected the script header | 21:22 |
| robert_ancell | from dpkg | 21:22 |
| pitti | insserv: Service dbus has to be enabled to start service lightdm | 21:22 |
| pitti | ah, yes | 21:22 |
| pitti | so, dbus was disabled | 21:23 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: as the first iteration this smells a bit like bug 1540568 | 21:23 |
| ubot5` | bug 1540568 in systemd (Ubuntu) "package udev 228-4ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: Service mountkernfs has to be enabled to start service udev" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1540568 | 21:23 |
| pitti | we had a bad update-rc.d in xenial for a day or 1.5, which caused issues like that | 21:23 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: and lo and behold, mate alpha-2 has that bad version (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mate/releases/16.04/alpha-2/xenial-desktop-amd64.manifest) | 21:25 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, ok, cool. I'll just ignore those issues then. | 21:25 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: I followed up with instructions how to fix, and duped | 21:26 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, thanks! | 21:27 |
| robert_ancell | attente, would you know the answer to lp:#1543617 ? | 21:55 |
| robert_ancell | lp:1543617 | 21:55 |
| robert_ancell | ubot5`, wake up! | 21:55 |
| robert_ancell | https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1543617 | 21:56 |
| ubot5` | Launchpad bug 1543617 in accountsservice (Ubuntu) "InputSources should have an explicit default" [Undecided,New] | 21:56 |
| attente | robert_ancell: wouldn't we have to customize that xml depending on the language the user chooses in ubiquity? | 21:59 |
| robert_ancell | attente, I don't really know, but I think you were working on input sources right? | 21:59 |
| robert_ancell | I don't really get the problem from the description | 22:00 |
| attente | i think what jonas is thinking about is that mir probably is hard-coding the default and would prefer it come from accountsservice instead | 22:00 |
| === Noskcaj_ is now known as Noskcaj | ||
| robert_ancell | attente, you probably want to pull the reviews branch, the core support landed in master and I've now merged it | 23:04 |
| attente | robert_ancell: does that only include your patches from the bz bug? | 23:05 |
| robert_ancell | attente, richard chopped everything up | 23:06 |
| attente | oh dear. ok, so if i want to get the ubuntu sso dialog in there, i should attach it to the bug? | 23:07 |
| attente | oh. i see what you mean | 23:09 |
| attente | the ubuntu plugin is still in progress | 23:09 |
| attente | are we upstreaming that? or is that going to be a distro patch for us? | 23:11 |
| robert_ancell | attente, it's in the bug, but Richard hasn't reviewed it yet. | 23:30 |
| robert_ancell | So I'll ask him now we have the core stuff in, but I'd prepare for a distro patch | 23:30 |
| attente | ok, that's fine | 23:31 |
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