[05:59] <hikiko> hi
[07:00] <didrocks> good morning
[07:18] <pitti> Good morning
[07:53] <didrocks> hey pitti!
[07:55] <pitti> bonjour didrocks ! ça va /
[07:55] <pitti> ?
[07:57] <didrocks> ça va bien et toi ?
[07:57] <pitti> didrocks: moi aussi
[07:57] <pitti> I found another systemd regression upstream, juggling with broken ppc64el builders, breaking xenial, the usual fun :)
[07:58] <didrocks> haha, sounds really busy :)
[08:25] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:25] <seb128> hey didrocks pitti
[08:25] <pitti> bonjour seb128 ! ça va ?
[08:25] <seb128> oui ! et toi ?
[08:25] <didrocks> good morning seb128 :)
[08:25] <alexarnaud> hey seb128 didrocks :)!
[08:26] <didrocks> salut alexarnaud
[08:26] <alexarnaud> how are you ?
[08:26] <didrocks> good, thanks, yourself?
[08:26] <alexarnaud> The same
[08:26] <alexarnaud> I'm happy everyday to enter more deepy into the Linux world
[08:27] <seb128> lut alexarnaud
[08:28] <alexarnaud> didrocks: What does your new work make you happy ? (sorry but I've some difficulties to ask in English as I remark)
[08:30] <didrocks> alexarnaud: it's great, thanks! will be better once things are under control, but that will take time :)
[08:31] <alexarnaud>  didrocks: what's are doing exactly ? I've heard something about marketing in an office but no more
[08:32] <didrocks> alexarnaud: I'm doing some developer advocacy around Ubuntu Core
[08:34] <alexarnaud> didrocks: advocaty ?
[08:34] <alexarnaud> My dictionary translates it by "promotion"/"plaidoyer"
[08:34] <didrocks> alexarnaud: advocacy, yeah: http://blog.phymata.com/2012/12/28/what-is-a-developer-advocate/
[08:41] <larsu> good morning!
[08:43] <seb128> larsu, hey! how are you?
[08:44] <larsu> seb128: good thanks! And you?
[08:44] <larsu> sunny here
[08:44] <larsu> very nice
[08:44] <seb128> I'm good thanks :-)
[08:44] <seb128> not here :-/
[08:44] <seb128> but at least less windy that yesterday
[08:45]  * larsu sends seb128 some of the sun
[08:45] <seb128> :--
[08:45] <seb128> :-)
[08:45]  * desrt looks left
[08:45]  * desrt looks right
[08:45] <seb128> hey desrt ;-)
[08:45]  * desrt fight fight fight
[08:45] <larsu> nobody fights in here
[08:45] <desrt> hey seb.  did you survive carnival?
[08:47] <pitti> hey seb128!
[08:47] <pitti> and hey desrt!
[08:47] <desrt> hi pitti :)
[08:47] <seb128> hey pitti :-)
[08:47] <didrocks> hey larsu
[08:47] <pitti> seb128: (double-greeting, can't hurt!)
[08:47] <didrocks> morning desrt
[08:47] <desrt> we tried to escape carnival yesterday by going to nijmegen.  that didn't really work.
[08:47] <seb128> pitti, indeed!
[08:47] <pitti> hello larsu
[08:47] <desrt> turns out carnival is international
[08:47] <pitti> pretty calm here
[08:47] <desrt> didrocks: hello
[08:47] <seb128> it's not a big thing here
[08:48] <desrt> apparently in .nl it's bigger in the south
[08:48] <pitti> unfortunately the storm caused a lot of the carnival parties to get cancelled
[08:48] <larsu> desrt: "international"? Have you heard of this little country called Brazil?
[08:48] <larsu> morgen pitti et bonjour didrocks!
[08:48] <desrt> larsu: that's in louisiana, right?
[08:48]  * larsu slaps forehead
[08:49] <pitti> yeah, near New Brazileans
[08:50] <desrt> huh.  i've been spelling that name wrong the entire time.  go figure.
[08:50] <desrt> well, that's french spelling for you
[08:50]  * desrt makes a mental note
[08:52] <desrt> larsu: how much longer in .cz?
[08:52] <larsu> desrt: how was nijmegen?
[08:52] <larsu> desrt: -2 days
[08:52] <desrt> pretty good.  i like this city.  just the right size to cross the main area from one side to the other in ~30 minutes walking
[08:53] <larsu> s/to cross the main area from one side to the other in ~30 minutes  walking
[08:53] <desrt> but the waterfront is really ugly... i didn't remember that from before... lots of nice views from parks _to_ the water... but looking at the city from the water is like "wtf are they doing here?"
[08:53] <larsu>  /for ingress/
[08:53] <desrt> lol no.  in that case, it takes 2 hours :)
[08:54] <desrt> this was after we were done and going to dinner
[08:54] <desrt> went to an interesting all-you-can-eat place that has various "street foods" from the entire world
[08:55] <desrt> none of which are produced accurately... but all of which still taste very good by the custom interpretation
[09:00] <Laney> moin
[09:00] <seb128> hey Laney!
[09:00] <alexarnaud> didrocks: oh it's very interesting job :) !
[09:01] <alexarnaud> hey larsu Laney willcooke :)!
[09:01] <willcooke> morning
[09:02] <Sweet5hark> moin!
[09:02] <willcooke> howdy Sweet5hark
[09:03] <seb128> hey willcooke
[09:04] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark
[09:04] <Sweet5hark> willcooke, seb128: heya
[09:05]  * Sweet5hark finds another build in a "INFO: pkgstripfiles: waiting for lock (libreoffice-XXX) ..." race condition/loop.
[09:09] <Laney> hey seb128 and alexarnaud!
[09:29] <Sweet5hark> ohh! lets make this a clickbait!
[09:30] <Sweet5hark> 2633 surprising reasons why you shouldnt deploy Apache OpenOffice ever: http://people.apache.org/~pfg/aoo-scan/
[09:44] <desrt> i can't help but to see "apache" and think of broadway
[09:44] <desrt> openoffice is web-enabled now!
[09:50] <Sweet5hark> desrt: since the list includes use-after-free and out-of-bounds-array access, this suggests you can remotely make AOO to be anything you want it to be (including "web-enabled")
[10:25] <seb128> Sweet5hark, what's the status of that libreoffice update? we are getting close from feature freeze, would be nice to land it
[10:27] <Sweet5hark> seb128: 5.1.0/xenial? rebased on dokos changes, build completed successfully ~everywhere against proposed -- except i386, which again ran into a race condition/loop on the builder (build restarted).
[10:28] <willcooke> attente, seb128, thanks for the hi dpi fixes
[10:28] <seb128> willcooke, yw!
[10:28] <Sweet5hark> seb128: you will have a package on people.canonical.com for upload today, Id say.
[10:28] <seb128> Sweet5hark, excellent, thank you
[10:32] <Sweet5hark> seb128: that said, this race condition/loop thing is curious, I have seen it on two platforms now, both were happy after a retry. Seems like a generic problem in our builder setup -- and LibreOffice likely just hits it more than others as it is a longer build.
[10:41] <Trevinho> seb128: hey, can you help in reviewing this https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/unity/proper-multiarch/+merge/285426 ?
[10:41] <seb128> Trevinho, hey, I can have a look after lunch
[10:42] <Trevinho> ok, thanks...
[10:42] <seb128> yw!
[10:42] <michael-vb> seb128: me again.  Just for information, the monitors.xml file appears if I set a resolution using unity-control-center.  As of then, dynamic resizing is broken until I delete it and kill -9 unity-settings-daemon.
[10:43] <seb128> michael-vb, k, please write that in the bug report
[10:43] <michael-vb> Will do.  Enjoy your lunch.
[10:43] <seb128> thanks
[10:43] <michael-vb> (You must be further east than me...)
[10:44] <seb128> I'm on european time, but need to go for some errands and I'm going to have lunch after that
[10:44] <seb128> bbiab
[11:22] <willcooke> tjaalton, hey - are you aware of any Intel gfx driver issues atm?
[11:22] <willcooke> like are there any new versions coming down the pipe to fix anything?
[11:22] <tjaalton> willcooke: no new bugs being filed anyway
[11:23] <willcooke> tjaalton, thx
[11:23] <willcooke> Laney, any X dash issues on your XPS?  (Is it hi dpi?)
[11:24] <Laney> what kind of issues?
[11:24] <willcooke> Laney, slow dash opening, generally clunky
[11:24] <Laney> no
[11:24] <Laney> it's fine sorry :(
[11:25] <willcooke> sabdfl, your laptop is Hi DPI right?
[11:25] <sabdfl> willcooke, yes indeed
[11:25] <willcooke> thx sabdfl
[11:25]  * willcooke ponders
[11:25] <Laney> 3200x1800 here
[11:25] <Laney> but xenial
[11:25] <willcooke> Trevinho, fyi - issues with dash being slow in X ^
[11:26] <Trevinho> mh...
[11:26] <Trevinho> something driver related it seems...
[11:26] <willcooke> thats what I was thinking
[11:27] <andyrock> morning all
[11:27] <tjaalton> dash search is always slow ;)
[11:27] <Trevinho> tjaalton: that's somewhat true :-P
[11:28] <willcooke> sabdfl, just to confirm.. this is slowness when opening the dash, and it rendering on screen - or slowness in populating the dash with icons etc
[11:28] <Trevinho> Well, it depends... Really it depeends on the source
[11:29] <Trevinho> sabdfl: also... Only dash or also switcher / shutdown dialog (unity views, in general).
[11:29] <Trevinho> ?
[11:55] <sabdfl> willcooke, it's slowness on GL transitions - fades, merges. Opening the dash... is... like... this....
[11:55] <sabdfl> looks like it affects the HUD too
[11:55] <willcooke> Trevinho, ^
[11:56] <tjaalton> lsmod|grep ^i915
[11:56] <tjaalton> sabdfl: ^
[11:56] <doko> seb128, Laney: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/geoclue-providers/0.12.99-2ubuntu4  this still belongs to -desktop, but is in universe. prevents libgps cruft removal
[11:57] <Trevinho> sabdfl: can you run /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p for reference?
[11:58] <sabdfl> Trevinho, lots of green yes's
[11:59] <tjaalton> that's more detailed yes
[11:59] <Trevinho> sabdfl: renderer is intel, right?
[11:59] <sabdfl> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Haswell Mobile
[11:59] <sabdfl> OpenGL version string:  3.0 Mesa 11.1.1
[11:59] <Trevinho> ok, fine...
[12:00] <Trevinho> sabdfl: when the problem started happening? Just today?
[12:00] <tjaalton> there could be a GPU hang
[12:00] <tjaalton> check dmesg
[12:00] <Trevinho> In the unity stack there have been no updates for some weeks, so... I'd go looking something deeper
[12:00] <sabdfl> no, i think its been slow for a while, i just happened to have olli handy to complain to today :)
[12:01] <Trevinho> oh.. :)
[12:02] <willcooke> Laney, is your laptop Haswell too?
[12:02] <willcooke> or Trevinho, do you have a Haswell machine?
[12:02] <Trevinho> willcooke: no sir... :(
[12:03]  * willcooke goes to track one down
[12:03] <Laney> umm
[12:03] <Trevinho> or... maybe... I could check my father's laptop
[12:03] <tjaalton> it's likely a hung gpu causing it
[12:04] <tjaalton> the driver does an auto-reset but it might still get stuck running on the lowest frequency
[12:04] <Laney> broadwell apparently
[12:05] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[12:05] <willcooke> tjaalton, any recent updates to the driver?
[12:05] <willcooke> recent ish
[12:06] <tjaalton> a week ago
[12:06] <willcooke> oki
[12:06] <tjaalton> sabdfl: is it like that right after bootup?
[12:07] <willcooke> I think we need to find a Haswell machine to test this on
[12:07] <sabdfl> machine has been up a little while, i could reboot
[12:09] <willcooke> tjaalton, will gpu hangs be logged in syslog?
[12:09] <tjaalton> yes
[12:09] <tjaalton> shows in dmesg and kern.log
[12:09] <willcooke> sabdfl, could you paste your syslog and kern.log to paste.canonical.com ?
[12:09] <willcooke> or similar
[12:19] <pitti> Sweet5hark: seems the ubuntu8 LibO regresses on s390x, and one retry didn't help; is that JunitTest_sot_complex thing somethign that just tends to fail often, or something which should be looked at?
[12:19] <pitti> Sweet5hark: not that s390x would be particularly important for LibO of course, so I'm fine with just ignoring it
[12:19] <pitti> doko: ^ FYI
[12:19] <pitti> correction, I alredy did two retries
[12:20] <pitti> http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/libr/libreoffice/xenial/s390x/
[12:20] <pitti> a shame, as otherwise it worked fairly well up to now
[12:31] <Laney> doko: this doesn't make sense
[12:31] <Laney> how did libgps -2 migrate if it's a transition that breaks packages?
[12:31] <Laney> guess someone gets to figure out the API changes now
[12:33] <doko> Laney, just saw it in NBS. fyi, upstream doesn't have this source anymore, but a new geoclue 2.4.2
[12:33] <Laney> I know
[12:40] <Sweet5hark> pitti: interesting.
[12:40] <Sweet5hark> pitti: so, this is ubuntu8 vs ubuntu7 (which used to work on s390x), right?
[12:41] <pitti> Sweet5hark: right
[12:41] <Sweet5hark> pitti: there wasnt too much of a change between those two: doko added multiarch foo.
[12:42] <doko> Sweet5hark, does LO use transactional memory?
[12:43] <Sweet5hark> pitti: sot is fairly low in the stack -- if its broken, many things might be. OTOH, this is an out-of-process java junit test interacting with libreoffice as another process ...
[12:45] <Sweet5hark> pitti: sooo, chances are, this has nothing to do with the sot part (that the test intends to target), but with general toolchain/java/whatever issues. External java testing has been fairly stable on common used platforms, but somewhat shaky elsewhere ...
[12:45] <pitti> Sweet5hark: or coudl that be related to building with JDK8 now?
[12:45] <Sweet5hark> pitti: yeah, possibly.
[12:45] <pitti> Sweet5hark: ubuntu8 might have built against the current java-common in -proposed which switches to JDK8 by default
[12:46]  * Sweet5hark looks at the log.
[12:51] <Sweet5hark> pitti: hmmm, that throws a RuntimeExcpetion in the loop after http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/sot/qa/complex/olesimplestorage/Test01.java#105 ..
[12:54] <Sweet5hark> which triggers file-io in LibreOffice and reads Bytes on it. Likely the stream read is truncated or something.
[12:56] <Sweet5hark> pitti: doesnt fire a synapse immediately for me how multiarch or a different jvm should trigger that.
[12:57] <pitti> Sweet5hark: ok; we can retry 0ubuntu7 on current xenial after the queues have settled down (due to perl), then it's easier to compare
[12:58] <Sweet5hark> pitti: OTOH I intend to bump us to 5.1.0~rc3 ~today -- which will present us with a whole new and different arrangement of failures anyway ...
[12:58] <pitti> haha
[12:59] <pitti> Sweet5hark: as I said, I'm happy to ignore this failure, but as there are a few other regressions due to JDK8 I thought you shold at least ack this
[13:00] <Sweet5hark> pitti: so, TBH i wouldnt overinvest in getting 5.0 on xenial nice and clean as we will throw it away anyhow.
[13:00] <pitti> Sweet5hark: but, but.. all those s390x LibO users! (I'm sure you can find a way to actually run it through ssh or something :) )
[13:00] <pitti> Sweet5hark: ok, so ignore that failure to let ubuntu8 land, and see how 5.1 behaves?
[13:01] <Sweet5hark> pitti: yeah, thanks for the heads-up. I would likely need a login on a builder box (and rewrite that test in C++ to keep sane) to debug that ...
[13:01] <Sweet5hark> pitti: yes
[13:01] <pitti> Sweet5hark: I can give you temp ssh access to that (but as I said, they are swamped right now, so not now)
[13:02] <Sweet5hark> pitti: yeah. lets reinvestigate when the smoke clears over libreoffice 5.1
[13:06] <Sweet5hark> pitti: (BTW looking at the failure its "all those s390x users doing Microsoft OLE-Object embedding in LibreOffice")
[13:07] <Sweet5hark> I bet that one user out there is very effective in filing lots of bugs and raising hell about it though.
[13:08]  * Sweet5hark just realizes that homeopathy work for IT too. 
[13:38] <Sweet5hark> haswell? /me is still hearing the atmosphere on 2nd generation i7.
[13:38] <Sweet5hark> s/hearing/heating/
[13:56] <Laney> Restore the scaling on the greeter
[13:56] <Laney> :-oooooooooooooooooooooooo
[13:58] <pitti> ^ is that a giraffe?
[14:05] <seb128> urg
[14:06] <seb128> daily iso has no ati/intel/nouveau/radeon/qxl/vesa xorg drivers
[14:06] <seb128> no wonder the greeter doesn't show :p
[14:06] <seb128> tjaalton, ^ known?
[14:06] <tjaalton> huh
[14:06] <tjaalton> xenial?
[14:06] <seb128> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/xenial-desktop-amd64.manifest
[14:06] <seb128> but yeah
[14:06] <seb128> Laney, I wanted to test ubiquity/Webkit2 :p
[14:06] <seb128> well, still on it, need a working session first
[14:07] <tjaalton> hmm, probably because -amdgpu is not in main yet
[14:07] <Laney> heh
[14:07] <tjaalton> added it to -video-all, wouldn't have expected this to happen :P
[14:07] <seb128> :-/
[14:07] <seb128> and we keep publishing isos as current when they don't start
[14:07] <seb128> annoying
[14:08] <tjaalton> I'll file a MIR and get it moved today
[14:08] <seb128> thanks
[14:08] <tjaalton> or without MIR, it's a no-brainer
[14:08] <seb128> check with the MIR team I guess?
[14:08] <seb128> I can do the archive promotion for you
[14:09] <tjaalton> checking with #u-r now
[14:48] <tjaalton> sabdfl, willcooke: xenial seems happy on a haswell laptop here, so it's not a widespread issue I hope
[14:48] <willcooke> sabdfl, do you have the discrete gfx hardware as well or just the Intel built in one?
[14:49] <willcooke> thanks tjaalton
[14:51] <sabdfl> willcooke, i think intel only
[14:51] <sabdfl> mark@mark-XPS-15:~$ lspci  | grep VGA
[14:51] <sabdfl> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 06)
[14:51] <willcooke> thx sabdfl
[14:54] <seb128> Laney, ubiquity webkit2 doesn't work for me, the slides don't show :-/
[14:55] <seb128> unsure where to look, /var/log/installer/debug has "(process:8709): Gtk-WARNING **: This process is currently running setuid or setgid. This is not a supported use of GTK+. You must create a helper"
[14:56] <seb128> Laney, using the laney/wk2 package published an hour ago or so
[15:02] <doko> Trevinho, Laney, seb128: looking at sphinxbase ...
[15:02] <doko>     * amd64: gstreamer0.10-pocketsphinx, libpocketsphinx-dev, libpocketsphinx1, libunityvoice1, libunityvoice1-dev, pocketsphinx-utils, python-pocketsphinx, python-pocketsphinx-dbg, simon, sphinx3, sphinxtrain, sphinxtrain-dev, unity-voice-autopilot, unity-voice-service
[15:03] <seb128> doko, yes?
[15:03] <doko> Logan synced sphinxbase, but it won't migrate. is there any reason not to continue the transition?
[15:03] <seb128> not that I know of
[15:03] <seb128> I had to look at the unity-voice build issue on my list but didn't manage to find slots for it yet
[15:03] <seb128> if you want to do it that would be nice
[15:08] <doko> I'll look and do the other rdeps first
[15:11] <seb128> doko, thanks
[15:19] <seb128> urg
[15:19] <seb128> pitti, larsu, my /var/log/journal is 2G ... is that expected? is there any cleaning done for that one or does it just accumulate over time?
[15:22] <pitti> seb128: it is expected, yes; the journal grows until it hits SystemMaxUse= (by default 10%), or if the remaining free space drops bwlow SystemKeepFree= (default 15%), then the oldest stuff gets rotated out
[15:22] <pitti> seb128: i. e. it dynamically grows and shrinks with the amount of available disk space
[15:22] <seb128> k, weird
[15:22] <seb128> I had less that 1G free disk this week
[15:22] <seb128> and still the journal is 2G
[15:22] <pitti> you can also configure it to a more "classic" SystemMaxFileSize=, but I think that dynamic one is a better default
[15:23] <seb128> I'm often around 900M free disk on that 80G drive
[15:23] <seb128> is there a command I can run to garbage collect the journal/clean out old entries?
[15:23] <seb128> just rm?
[15:24] <pitti> yes, you can just rm the files, but a bug report with "df" and an ls -l /var/log/journal/* would be good
[15:25] <seb128> I'm going to do that next time, I've deleted vms and pbuilder cache & other things and I'm back up to 10G free
[15:25] <pitti> seb128: a more fine-grained command is journalctl --vacuum-{size,time,files}, see manpage
[15:25] <seb128> thanks
[15:26] <pitti> seb128: can you compare the output of
[15:26] <pitti> sudo du -hs /var/log/journal/
[15:26] <pitti> with
[15:26] <pitti> sudo journalctl --disk-usage
[15:26] <pitti> ?
[15:26] <seb128> Archived and active journals take up 1.9G on disk.
[15:26] <seb128> 2,0G	/var/log/journal/
[15:26] <pitti> I have 2.7 GB, and 77G free on /
[15:27] <pitti> ok, that sounds about right
[15:28] <pitti> wow, my logs  start on September 21, that's a looot of history
[15:28] <seb128> -rw-r-x---+ 1 root systemd-journal  48M juin  28  2015 system@00051997a0a1257b-e
[15:28] <seb128> 81a5e1204d5e56d.journal~
[15:28] <seb128> pitti, ^ beat you ;-)
[15:29]  * desrt senses a disturbance in the force
[15:29] <Laney> seb128: ok, let me try again
[15:30] <willcooke> it's time!!!11
[15:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-02-09
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Feb  9 15:30:30 2016 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:30] <desrt> o hai
[15:30] <willcooke> hi desrt !
[15:30] <seb128> hey
[15:30] <willcooke> Roll call:  andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, fjkong(out), happyaron(out), hikiko, laney, larsu, qengho(out), seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter(out), trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[15:30] <Trevinho> o/
[15:31] <didrocks> hey!
[15:31] <didrocks> (ok running out :p)
[15:31] <hikiko> hey!
[15:31] <willcooke> hi didrocks!
[15:31]  * desrt misses didrocks' name on the list
[15:31] <andyrock> Ho
[15:31] <willcooke> :(
[15:31] <andyrock> Ho
[15:31]  * didrocks hugs desrt
[15:32]  * desrt feels warm
[15:32] <larsu> o/
[15:32] <andyrock> My keyboard does not like me
[15:32] <larsu> didrocks is here in spirit
[15:32] <larsu> well, and he's actually present
[15:32] <willcooke> :)
[15:34] <willcooke> I figured we'd go round the list as usual and each person can paste their update and the 16.04 landings update
[15:34] <willcooke> then if there are questions etc we can address them, then move on to the next person
[15:34] <willcooke> Let's begin...
[15:34] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:35] <andyrock> I ve been working on launcher integration. The branch is almost done. I m a bit blocked because libappstream-glib gives us icon as pixbufs and not gicons but nothing impossible to workaround
[15:35] <andyrock> G-s launcher integration
[15:35] <andyrock> I ll try to finish it by the end of tomorrow
[15:36] <willcooke> ^H^H^H thanks
[15:36] <willcooke> anything pending for 16.04 feature wise?  I think that's all right?
[15:36] <andyrock> For the thing I want to push before ff
[15:36] <andyrock> Just this one
[15:37] <andyrock> And startup notifications
[15:37] <andyrock> Should go without problems
[15:37] <seb128> did the session dialogs changes landed? or did that got removed from the xenial list?
[15:37] <andyrock> Not yet :\
[15:37] <andyrock> But it s low priority
[15:38] <seb128> well, that's sort of the point of doing the status update on feature now
[15:38] <seb128> either we drop them or get them done in the next week or so
[15:38] <andyrock> I would rather push the other two
[15:38] <seb128> I guess it means that one is not for this cycle?
[15:38] <seb128> right, it's fine
[15:38] <seb128> we just need to focus on the important bits ;-)
[15:38] <andyrock> I ll try but no promise
[15:38] <andyrock> :)
[15:39] <seb128> thanks
[15:39] <andyrock> No
[15:39] <willcooke> better to focus on getting the launcher stuff done
[15:39] <seb128> just retarget it to next cycle if it's not going to land
[15:39] <andyrock> Np
[15:39] <andyrock> Sure
[15:39] <willcooke> thanks andyrock
[15:39] <willcooke> seb128, anything else here?
[15:39] <seb128> no ;-)
[15:40] <willcooke> good stuff, thanks
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:40] <Trevinho> andyrock: I can help if needed with features in case...
[15:41] <attente> unity-greeter hi-dpi menu positioning fix
[15:41] <attente> more discussions and revisions to https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756579...
[15:41] <seb128> thanks for that one!
[15:41] <ubot5`> Gnome bug 756579 in Widget: GtkMenu "GTK should let GDK position menus" [Critical,Needinfo]
[15:41] <attente> implemented ubuntu-sso login dialog for submitting reviews in gnome software, struggling with some (i think) threading issues..........
[15:41] <desrt> attente: happy to help look at those
[15:41] <attente> seb128: np!
[15:42] <attente> desrt: thanks
[15:42] <willcooke> thanks attente
[15:42] <willcooke> keep me posted on the SSo work
[15:43] <willcooke> attente, I dont think you have any other 16.04 landings, right?
[15:43] <doko> looking at pocketsphinx ... Laney, finding your name in the changelog ... is there still need for the various english language models?
[15:44] <Laney> doko: 1) meeting 2) dunno
[15:44] <attente> no
[15:45] <willcooke> thanks attente
[15:45] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:45] <desrt> hi.  refactoring the gsettings work to a nicer state.
[15:45] <desrt> started to have some more serious discussions about timellines and when/how this will land (the containerisation work)
[15:45] <desrt> looking at early next cycle, so it can get lots of users by 16.10
[15:46] <desrt> hope to have the 'upstream' stuff mostly done by march
[15:46] <desrt> not really a 16.04 target, but 'just after 16.04'
[15:46] <desrt> that's all for technical stuff
[15:47] <willcooke> thanks desrt
[15:47] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:47] <dgadomski> hey
[15:47] <dgadomski> * investigated a complaint to bug 1337873 - it appeared that user was depending on unsupported behaviour
[15:47] <ubot5`> bug 1337873 in ifupdown (Debian) "ifupdown initialization problems caused by race condition" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1337873
[15:47] <dgadomski> * tested fix to bug 1538724 - looking good
[15:47] <ubot5`> bug 1538724 in firefox (Ubuntu Wily) "GraphicsCriticalError: |[0][GFX1]: Unknown cairo format 3" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1538724
[15:47] <dgadomski> (eof)
[15:47] <willcooke> thanks dgadomski
[15:47] <dgadomski> thank you
[15:48] <willcooke> #topic hikiko
[15:48] <hikiko> I am working on the ezoom integration: I did some fixes on nux and unity to be able to use the code I had already and now I debug the transformations that take place when I add the compiz zoom transformation matrix to the nux matrix stack. Compiz and nux have different matrix representations and stacks and I am trying to see if I can use the scale matrix in a way that the components are scaled automatically avoiding the double scaling issues
[15:48] <hikiko> I had the other time (although at the end I ll have to scale 1 by 1 the unity components that are not rendered by nux).
[15:48] <hikiko> eof :)
[15:48] <seb128> what's the status of the CSD decorations? that still didn't land?
[15:49] <hikiko> no, it's under review
[15:49] <hikiko> marco will review it but he has the launcher and all that
[15:49] <seb128> k
[15:49] <seb128> it's getting late
[15:49] <seb128> we said in London that things should be done a week after the sprint
[15:50] <seb128> that was back in 2015 ;-)
[15:50] <larsu> a year ago!
[15:50] <seb128> oh well, I hope it lands this week
[15:50] <hikiko> well the code seems to work but it needs to be reviewed
[15:50] <hikiko> and tested
[15:50] <seb128> right
[15:50] <hikiko> btw
[15:50] <hikiko> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LABxkCLVSUg seb128
[15:50] <seb128> it might be useful to put it in a silo for testing?
[15:51] <hikiko> I don't know if I pasted it the other time
[15:51] <seb128> anyway it was not especially for you hikiko
[15:51] <seb128> we just need as a team to see that landing
[15:51] <seb128> hikiko, thanks ;-)
[15:51] <willcooke> seb128, Trevinho - lets see where we are on Friday ^
[15:52] <seb128> k
[15:52] <willcooke> thanks hikiko
[15:52] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:52] <Trevinho> ok
[15:52] <Laney> • short week, short status!
[15:52] <Laney> • Updated appstream-cloud to be properly integrated with prodstack & have some more actions and nagios checks, contribute patches to increase coverage and find new icons faster, debug some issues
[15:52] <Laney> ∘ Fighting with IS over restrictive policies meaning we can't download screenshots
[15:52] <Laney> • Worked on rebasing wk2 packages on the archive and a new port for sphinx tests which got enabled in the meantime (16.04 feature, will be in before FF)
[15:53] <Laney> • helped to land terminal scrollbar fix
[15:53] <Laney> ︘
[15:54] <willcooke> thanks Laney, anything 16.04 related looking risky?  (screenshots download aside)
[15:54] <seb128> Laney, how is the wk2 transition looking? I start to see today if I can help a bit on testing/reviewing but I'm probably not going to have limited slots for that
[15:54] <Laney> you are not going to have limited slots?
[15:54] <Laney> that sounds good
[15:54] <seb128> -not
[15:54] <Laney> WHAT
[15:54] <seb128> doh, I was typing something else and changed mid way :p
[15:55] <Laney> it's fine
[15:55] <Laney> dunno why ubiquity broke though, that worked before
[15:55] <Laney> annoying
[15:55] <seb128> well, I can help a bit, so let me know if there is something you would prefer me to look at
[15:55] <seb128> is it buggy for you as well?
[15:55] <Laney> yeah
[15:55] <Laney> it's something to do with it running as root
[15:55] <seb128> yeah :-/
[15:55] <Laney> POs
[15:55] <Laney> POS
[15:55] <Laney> POSPOSPOSPSOPSO
[15:56]  * Sweet5hark slowly backs  away ...
[15:56] <willcooke> thanks a lot Laney
[15:56] <willcooke> #topic larsu
[15:56] <larsu> last meeting :(
[15:56] <seb128> :-(
[15:57] <attente> :(
[15:57] <willcooke> :((
[15:57] <larsu> not a lot to report: slightly shorter week as well
[15:57] <larsu> did some administration stuff (turns out I'm leaving)
[15:57] <seb128> wait! you lease on the 18th, next meeting is on the 16th?
[15:57]  * pitti sheds a tear for larsu
[15:57] <Trevinho> :'(
[15:57] <larsu> seb128: some last days of holiday
[15:57] <seb128> ah right
[15:57] <seb128> larsu, we are going to miss you!
[15:57] <willcooke> we are indeed
[15:57]  * seb128 hugs larsu
[15:57] <larsu> I'm off Monday at noon officially
[15:58]  * larsu hugs EVERYONE
[15:58] <willcooke> come and visit
[15:58]  * Trevinho re-hugs
[15:58] <larsu> hehe
[15:58]  * didrocks hugs larsu as well
[15:58]  * Sweet5hark shakes angry old man fist for larsu leaving us.
[15:58] <larsu> haha
[15:58]  * pitti hugs larsu big time
[15:58]  * larsu sheds a tear
[15:58] <larsu> but I also have some status!
[15:58] <larsu> geonames index is coming along
[15:59] <larsu> should probably talk to desrt at some point - she might be the next maintainer
[15:59] <larsu> also fixed scrollbars in terminals (THEME!)
[15:59] <larsu> (with a bad hack sadly, but I couldn't think of anything better)
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[15:59] <desrt> bye bye larsu
[15:59] <willcooke> thanks larsu
[16:00] <willcooke> any news on your bike?
[16:00] <larsu> have to buy new wheels
[16:00] <larsu> rode Faina's today
[16:00] <larsu> it's ... small
[16:00] <willcooke> :)
[16:01] <willcooke> it's been a pleasure larsu, sorry you're going.  Will chat later in the week.
[16:01] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[16:01] <seb128> • some desktop updates (gedit, gnome-calculator, gtk)
[16:01] <seb128> • reverted the gtk fileselector single-click-open behaviour change
[16:01] <seb128> • gnome-software/packagekit/aptdaemon discussions
[16:01] <seb128> • synced new manpages from Debian (yeah, remaining delta deprecated by upstream changes!)
[16:01] <seb128> • reverted nautilus in xenial, discussed the new version with upstream
[16:01] <seb128> • patch pilot shift
[16:01] <seb128> • fixed low res icon for the unity-control-center sound panel
[16:01] <seb128> • enabled hi-dpi scaling on unity-greeter
[16:01] <seb128> • tested ubiquity/webkitgtk2, debugging xenial daily not starting on the way (missing xorg drivers)
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[16:02] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[16:02] <seb128> I don't have features on my personal list, but I'm trying to see if I can help others to land the remaining things we need to land
[16:02] <seb128> e.g webkitgtk2
[16:02] <seb128> gnome-software
[16:02] <seb128> libreoffice 5.1
[16:02] <seb128> let me know if you think I can help you with some feature that still need to land
[16:02] <larsu> seb128: do you know if removing software works now? I found the issue at the hackfest, but don't know if it ended up being fixe
[16:02] <larsu> *fixed
[16:03] <seb128> larsu, I don't know, but robert_ancell is wriing an aptdaemon backend
[16:03] <seb128> since porting the archive away from it was not really doable
[16:03] <seb128> and packagekit is slow
[16:03] <larsu> ah, right
[16:03] <seb128> seems the safest option for this cycle
[16:03] <larsu> indeed
[16:04] <willcooke> #topic TheMuso
[16:04] <willcooke> Accessibility profile manager rework:
[16:04] <willcooke> * The core library has been written, and is functional. It still may receive some minor functionality improvements and API additions/changes, but it is working. The package is in the new queue now, and a MIR will be applied for as soon as its in the archive.
[16:04] <willcooke> * I've also written a small CLI utility to facilitate quick testing, both the library, and profile metadata itself.
[16:04] <willcooke> * UI wise, for the time being, I have created an indicator that shows the available accessibility profiles in a list, with the currently enabled profile shown as such. This indicator will be off by default, but will be shown during install, and whenever a profile is enabled. I'll probably add another option to the indicator menu to allow the user to hide it if they wish, regardless of whether a profile is enabled or not.
[16:04] <willcooke> * I have a small change that I still need to propose for merging in the universal access panel of Unity control center. The change adds a profiles tab, with a simple toggle switch, to show or hide the indicator. I am using the org.gnome.desktop.a11y always-show-universal-access-status GSettings schema and key. GNOME shell uses this to allow the user to show or hide its own accessibility menu, so since we don't use it, I thought to be
[16:04] <willcooke>  somewhat compatible with GNOME shell, I would use this GSettings value too. It should be noted that I have not done any work to integrate this profiles mechanism into any of the GTK based Ubuntu derivatives as of yet.
[16:04] <willcooke> * The same profiles tab in the universal access control center panel will likely be expanded in the future to show a list of profiles, and allow the user to activate/deactivate profiles. Will not be done this cycle, likely need to discuss the best UI to use in this context.
[16:05] <willcooke> Still to do:
[16:05] <willcooke> * Refactor Ubiquity to launch the new a11y profile indicator. At the moment, Ubiquity ahs its own indicator with the hard-coded list of profiles. Using the new indicator in ubiquity should be trivial.
[16:05] <willcooke> * Implement a mechanism to notify the user of available accessib
[16:05] <willcooke> ility profiles if they start using an assistive technology like Orca. THis is low priority, because I am not entirely sure of the best way to present this to the user UI wise, probably something for next cycle, although I will see what I can come up with, if I find myself with time to spare.
[16:05] <willcooke> * Patch Orca to use GSettings as its settings backend of choice if the user doesn't have any existing Orca configuration present.
[16:05] <willcooke> * Integrate everything into the desktop image, i.e seeds, MIR (discussed above), ubiquity etc.
[16:05] <willcooke> Other stuff:
[16:05] <willcooke> * Getting a final opinion on whether we want pulseaudio 8. If others involved with audio stuff are agreeable, that will likely be in by the end of this week.
[16:05] <willcooke> I don't expect I will need to file any feature freeze exception requests, but that will depend on how long the package will take to get into the archive, and get a MIR approved.
[16:05] <willcooke> chew on that...
[16:05] <seb128> that's quite a verbose summary!
[16:06] <willcooke> I was supposed to summarise, but I didnt
[16:06] <seb128> lol
[16:06] <seb128> I see :-)
[16:06] <willcooke> :)
[16:06] <seb128> you don't get to write that on your weekly status update then :p
[16:06] <willcooke> :)
[16:06] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[16:06] <larsu> irc character limit reached for the day
[16:06] <seb128> +1 on geting the news pulseaudio
[16:07] <willcooke> seb128, agreed
[16:07] <willcooke> - cups-filters: Added facility to optionally create local queues pointing to remote raw queues. Before only remote queues with driver/PPD were taken into account.
[16:07] <willcooke> - Printing Architecture: Debian has dropped LSB support. Studied alternatives for creating distribution-independent binary packages.
[16:07] <willcooke> - OpenPrinting Summit: Sent out first speaker invitations.
[16:07] <willcooke> - Performance review.
[16:07] <willcooke> - Bugs.
[16:07] <willcooke> What should go into 16.04 from my side is:
[16:07] <willcooke> - Printing stack on the phone.
[16:07] <willcooke> - Get Ghostscript synced with Debian, Will please make the security team pass the openjpeg MIR before FF. Thanks.
[16:08] <willcooke> - HPLIP 3.16.2 (got released today)
[16:08] <willcooke> - CUPS 2.1.3
[16:08] <willcooke> - The usual pre-FF round of version checks on all printing-related packages to have them up to date.
[16:08] <willcooke> tkamppeter's stuff is all in good shape - I'll see what we can do with the MIR
[16:08] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[16:08] <Trevinho> · Zeitgeist upstart and vacuum support
[16:08] <Trevinho> · Updated unity nautilus patches for 3.14 revert
[16:08] <Trevinho> · Working on fixing lp:unity failure (big thanks to cjwatson! didrocks hijacking failed :-D)
[16:08] <Trevinho> · libwnck new upstream release and some mainteinance
[16:08] <Trevinho> · fixes to unity upstream to support multi-arch natively
[16:08] <Trevinho> · Fixed a launcher-filemanager integration issue
[16:08] <Trevinho> · Some tuning on the bottom launcher branch for kylin
[16:08] <Trevinho> · Unity theming improvements
[16:08] <Trevinho> · Unity packaging fixes (moving the non-lib bits from libunity-core package)
[16:08] <Trevinho> · Reviews?!
[16:08] <Trevinho> 
[16:09] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho
[16:10] <willcooke> so yeah, let's see how the reviews are going on Friday and see if we need to swap anything around
[16:10] <seb128> Trevinho, are we landing the launcher@bottom in xenial?
[16:10] <willcooke> no
[16:10] <seb128> k
[16:10] <Trevinho> seb128: we try to...
[16:10] <Trevinho> Ah, ok :D
[16:10] <seb128> so why do we spend work on it before ff? :p
[16:10] <seb128> k
[16:10] <seb128> seems like a "discuss after meeting" item ;-)
[16:11] <willcooke> yeah, lets do that
[16:11] <seb128> I didn't look at the zg on upstart into too much details
[16:11] <seb128> do we really need an upstart job for that?
[16:11] <willcooke> thinking about it, maybe I'm wrong, because Kylin want it
[16:11] <willcooke> but we dont
[16:11] <seb128> Laney, ^ if you want to help reviewing that it would be welcome
[16:11] <Trevinho> seb128: that's for ensuring the vacuum happens at the right time
[16:11] <seb128> your upstart foo is probably better than mine
[16:12] <Laney> upstart to run vacuum?
[16:12] <Trevinho> we do it every 10 days...
[16:13] <seb128> Laney, bug #919801
[16:13] <ubot5`> bug 919801 in zeitgeist (Ubuntu) "Unity dash file search is extremely slow" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/919801
[16:13] <seb128> but let's handle that after the meeting as well
[16:14] <seb128> willcooke, I'm done with questions for Trevinho ;-)
[16:14] <willcooke> heh
[16:14] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho
[16:14] <willcooke> #topic willcooke
[16:14] <willcooke> Worrying about GNOME Software
[16:14] <willcooke> ASM Prep
[16:14] <willcooke> REviews
[16:14] <willcooke> more worrying about GNOME Software
[16:14] <seb128> yeah :-/
[16:15] <willcooke> Less worried now, and a plan for what to do next is forming
[16:15] <willcooke> so I think we'll work it out
[16:15] <willcooke> #topic any other business
[16:15] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: :( nobody missing my weekly libreoffice rant?
[16:15] <willcooke> oh
[16:15] <willcooke> how did I manage that
[16:15] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark
[16:15] <Sweet5hark> - 5.1.0/xenial rebases on multiarch
[16:15] <Sweet5hark> - 5.0.5 updates for wily
[16:15] <Sweet5hark> - some patch backports for trusty and precise
[16:15] <Sweet5hark> - work on snappy:
[16:15] <Sweet5hark> -- trying to get a good debug env in snappy
[16:15] <Sweet5hark> -- ended up bundling strace and gdb in the snap
[16:15] <Sweet5hark> -- build a debug build of libreoffice
[16:15] <Sweet5hark> -- discovered that the failures happen in obscure toolchain places (e.g. in std::ostream::sentry) that dont make much sense even in the debugger
[16:15] <Sweet5hark> -- reenabled tests in the build and looked at test failures in snapcraft (not snappy)
[16:15] <Sweet5hark> -- found similar basic weirdness around C++ std libs (e.g. stream operations)
[16:15] <Sweet5hark> ==> now trying to isolate a smallish testcase that doesnt need ~all of libreoffice and its infrastruce with UNO and friends
[16:15] <Sweet5hark> - also: FOSDEM madness (including giving a devroom talk), and TDF board/staff meetings, LibreOffice Hackfest
[16:16] <willcooke> thanks Sweet5hark
[16:16] <seb128> willcooke, no update from robert_ancell?
[16:17] <willcooke> no I figure I could probably fill that in for him
[16:17] <willcooke> #topic robert_ancell
[16:17] <willcooke> GNOME Software
[16:17] <willcooke> #topic any other business
[16:17] <seb128> ;-)
[16:17] <larsu> hehe
[16:18] <willcooke> oki, anyone got anything else before we wrap?
[16:18] <willcooke> oh, please let me have your 360 names
[16:18] <seb128> let's go back to work on getting those features landed? ;-)
[16:18] <seb128> willcooke, when is that due?
[16:18] <seb128> why do they always put admin stuff in the busy periods? :p
[16:18] <willcooke> ideally before MWC which is 22 Feb
[16:19] <seb128> k
[16:19] <willcooke> oki, thanks very much everyone
[16:19] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[16:19] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Feb  9 16:19:27 2016 UTC.
[16:19] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2016/ubuntu-desktop.2016-02-09-15.30.moin.txt
[16:19] <seb128> thanks
[16:28] <Laney> possibly haz slideshow
[16:29] <seb128> nice!
[16:29] <seb128> what was it?
[16:29] <seb128> Sweet5hark, how is that libreoffice update coming  along?
[16:30] <Laney> http://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/zlidezhow.png
[16:30] <Laney> dropping more privileges
[16:30] <Laney> want to make a pkg to be sure though
[16:30] <Laney> also this iso is oooooooooooold
[16:31] <seb128> it's the wrong animal!
[16:32] <Sweet5hark> seb128: finished building, is uploaded at http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/xenial/5.1.0/ -- currently updating my VM to smoketest the build (aka check if it really starts when manually kicked off on a machine).
[16:33] <seb128> Sweet5hark, k
[16:36] <Sweet5hark> seb128: and passes smoketest, please consider sponsoring from the above link at a time of your convenience.
[16:36] <seb128> Sweet5hark, great, thanks!
[16:36] <Sweet5hark> seb128: yw
[17:35] <Laney> getting off a bit early, see you!
[17:36] <seb128> Laney, have fun!
[17:37] <willcooke> see ya Laney
[19:03] <Sweet5hark1> eod
[19:46] <willcooke> g'night all
[19:59] <attente> robert_ancell: g'morning
[20:02] <robert_ancell> attente, hi
[20:03] <attente> robert_ancell: so the sso auth should be working on the branch now if you want to give it a try
[20:03] <robert_ancell> attente, awesome
[20:04] <robert_ancell> attente, the wip/rancell/reviews branch?
[20:04] <attente> yes
[20:04] <attente> robert_ancell: i'm wondering, if at some point we should clean up the branch with an interactive rebase
[20:05] <robert_ancell> attente, I have a branch like that I've been maintaining - it's how I've generated the patches on GNOME Bugzilla
[20:07] <attente> robert_ancell: oh, so there's a bug for it you've been attaching patches to?
[20:07] <robert_ancell> attente, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759527
[20:07] <ubot5`> Gnome bug 759527 in General "Add support for reviews" [Normal,New]
[21:06] <robert_ancell> pitti, ping?
[21:20] <pitti> hello robert_ancell
[21:20]  * pitti should really avoid falling into the old "ping" trap at half past ten..
[21:20] <robert_ancell> pitti, hi, did you see the lightdm install issue? Seems to be related to systemd + dbus
[21:20] <robert_ancell> pitti, heh
[21:21] <pitti> robert_ancell: no, I'm not aware of that, what's the bug#?
[21:21] <robert_ancell> pitti, seems to be a flurry of bugs, e.g. lp:1542549
[21:21] <robert_ancell> lp:#1542549
[21:21] <robert_ancell> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1542549
[21:21] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1542549 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "package lightdm 1.17.5-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [High,Confirmed]
[21:22] <robert_ancell> Setting up lightdm (1.17.5-0ubuntu2) ...
[21:22] <robert_ancell> insserv: Service dbus has to be enabled to start service lightdm
[21:22] <robert_ancell> insserv: exiting now!
[21:22] <robert_ancell> update-rc.d: error: insserv rejected the script header
[21:22] <robert_ancell> from dpkg
[21:22] <pitti> insserv: Service dbus has to be enabled to start service lightdm
[21:22] <pitti> ah, yes
[21:23] <pitti> so, dbus was disabled
[21:23] <pitti> robert_ancell: as the first iteration this smells a bit like bug 1540568
[21:23] <ubot5`> bug 1540568 in systemd (Ubuntu) "package udev 228-4ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: Service mountkernfs has to be enabled to start service udev" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1540568
[21:23] <pitti> we had a bad update-rc.d in xenial for a day or 1.5, which caused issues like that
[21:25] <pitti> robert_ancell: and lo and behold, mate alpha-2 has that bad version (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mate/releases/16.04/alpha-2/xenial-desktop-amd64.manifest)
[21:25] <robert_ancell> pitti, ok, cool. I'll just ignore those issues then.
[21:26] <pitti> robert_ancell: I followed up with instructions how to fix, and duped
[21:27] <robert_ancell> pitti, thanks!
[21:55] <robert_ancell> attente, would you know the answer to lp:#1543617 ?
[21:55] <robert_ancell> lp:1543617
[21:55] <robert_ancell> ubot5`, wake up!
[21:56] <robert_ancell> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1543617
[21:56] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1543617 in accountsservice (Ubuntu) "InputSources should have an explicit default" [Undecided,New]
[21:59] <attente> robert_ancell: wouldn't we have to customize that xml depending on the language the user chooses in ubiquity?
[21:59] <robert_ancell> attente, I don't really know, but I think you were working on input sources right?
[22:00] <robert_ancell> I don't really get the problem from the description
[22:00] <attente> i think what jonas is thinking about is that mir probably is hard-coding the default and would prefer it come from accountsservice instead
[23:04] <robert_ancell> attente, you probably want to pull the reviews branch, the core support landed in master and I've now merged it
[23:05] <attente> robert_ancell: does that only include your patches from the bz bug?
[23:06] <robert_ancell> attente, richard chopped everything up
[23:07] <attente> oh dear. ok, so if i want to get the ubuntu sso dialog in there, i should attach it to the bug?
[23:09] <attente> oh. i see what you mean
[23:09] <attente> the ubuntu plugin is still in progress
[23:11] <attente> are we upstreaming that? or is that going to be a distro patch for us?
[23:30] <robert_ancell> attente, it's in the bug, but Richard hasn't reviewed it yet.
[23:30] <robert_ancell> So I'll ask him now we have the core stuff in, but I'd prepare for a distro patch
[23:31] <attente> ok, that's fine