[05:59] hi [07:00] good morning [07:18] Good morning [07:53] hey pitti! [07:55] bonjour didrocks ! ça va / [07:55] ? [07:57] ça va bien et toi ? [07:57] didrocks: moi aussi [07:57] I found another systemd regression upstream, juggling with broken ppc64el builders, breaking xenial, the usual fun :) [07:58] haha, sounds really busy :) [08:25] good morning desktopers [08:25] hey didrocks pitti [08:25] bonjour seb128 ! ça va ? [08:25] oui ! et toi ? [08:25] good morning seb128 :) [08:25] hey seb128 didrocks :)! [08:26] salut alexarnaud [08:26] how are you ? [08:26] good, thanks, yourself? [08:26] The same [08:26] I'm happy everyday to enter more deepy into the Linux world [08:27] lut alexarnaud [08:28] didrocks: What does your new work make you happy ? (sorry but I've some difficulties to ask in English as I remark) [08:30] alexarnaud: it's great, thanks! will be better once things are under control, but that will take time :) [08:31] didrocks: what's are doing exactly ? I've heard something about marketing in an office but no more [08:32] alexarnaud: I'm doing some developer advocacy around Ubuntu Core [08:34] didrocks: advocaty ? [08:34] My dictionary translates it by "promotion"/"plaidoyer" [08:34] alexarnaud: advocacy, yeah: http://blog.phymata.com/2012/12/28/what-is-a-developer-advocate/ [08:41] good morning! [08:43] larsu, hey! how are you? [08:44] seb128: good thanks! And you? [08:44] sunny here [08:44] very nice [08:44] I'm good thanks :-) [08:44] not here :-/ [08:44] but at least less windy that yesterday [08:45] * larsu sends seb128 some of the sun [08:45] :-- [08:45] :-) [08:45] * desrt looks left [08:45] * desrt looks right [08:45] hey desrt ;-) [08:45] * desrt fight fight fight [08:45] nobody fights in here [08:45] hey seb. did you survive carnival? [08:47] hey seb128! [08:47] and hey desrt! [08:47] hi pitti :) [08:47] hey pitti :-) [08:47] hey larsu [08:47] seb128: (double-greeting, can't hurt!) [08:47] morning desrt [08:47] we tried to escape carnival yesterday by going to nijmegen. that didn't really work. [08:47] pitti, indeed! [08:47] hello larsu [08:47] turns out carnival is international [08:47] pretty calm here [08:47] didrocks: hello [08:47] it's not a big thing here [08:48] apparently in .nl it's bigger in the south [08:48] unfortunately the storm caused a lot of the carnival parties to get cancelled [08:48] desrt: "international"? Have you heard of this little country called Brazil? [08:48] morgen pitti et bonjour didrocks! [08:48] larsu: that's in louisiana, right? [08:48] * larsu slaps forehead [08:49] yeah, near New Brazileans [08:50] huh. i've been spelling that name wrong the entire time. go figure. [08:50] well, that's french spelling for you [08:50] * desrt makes a mental note [08:52] larsu: how much longer in .cz? [08:52] desrt: how was nijmegen? [08:52] desrt: -2 days [08:52] pretty good. i like this city. just the right size to cross the main area from one side to the other in ~30 minutes walking [08:53] s/to cross the main area from one side to the other in ~30 minutes walking [08:53] but the waterfront is really ugly... i didn't remember that from before... lots of nice views from parks _to_ the water... but looking at the city from the water is like "wtf are they doing here?" [08:53] /for ingress/ [08:53] lol no. in that case, it takes 2 hours :) [08:54] this was after we were done and going to dinner [08:54] went to an interesting all-you-can-eat place that has various "street foods" from the entire world [08:55] none of which are produced accurately... but all of which still taste very good by the custom interpretation [09:00] moin [09:00] hey Laney! [09:00] didrocks: oh it's very interesting job :) ! [09:01] hey larsu Laney willcooke :)! [09:01] morning [09:02] moin! [09:02] howdy Sweet5hark [09:03] hey willcooke [09:04] hey Sweet5hark [09:04] willcooke, seb128: heya [09:05] * Sweet5hark finds another build in a "INFO: pkgstripfiles: waiting for lock (libreoffice-XXX) ..." race condition/loop. [09:09] hey seb128 and alexarnaud! [09:29] ohh! lets make this a clickbait! [09:30] 2633 surprising reasons why you shouldnt deploy Apache OpenOffice ever: http://people.apache.org/~pfg/aoo-scan/ [09:44] i can't help but to see "apache" and think of broadway [09:44] openoffice is web-enabled now! [09:50] desrt: since the list includes use-after-free and out-of-bounds-array access, this suggests you can remotely make AOO to be anything you want it to be (including "web-enabled") [10:25] Sweet5hark, what's the status of that libreoffice update? we are getting close from feature freeze, would be nice to land it [10:27] seb128: 5.1.0/xenial? rebased on dokos changes, build completed successfully ~everywhere against proposed -- except i386, which again ran into a race condition/loop on the builder (build restarted). [10:28] attente, seb128, thanks for the hi dpi fixes [10:28] willcooke, yw! [10:28] seb128: you will have a package on people.canonical.com for upload today, Id say. [10:28] Sweet5hark, excellent, thank you [10:32] seb128: that said, this race condition/loop thing is curious, I have seen it on two platforms now, both were happy after a retry. Seems like a generic problem in our builder setup -- and LibreOffice likely just hits it more than others as it is a longer build. [10:41] seb128: hey, can you help in reviewing this https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/unity/proper-multiarch/+merge/285426 ? [10:41] Trevinho, hey, I can have a look after lunch [10:42] ok, thanks... [10:42] yw! [10:42] seb128: me again. Just for information, the monitors.xml file appears if I set a resolution using unity-control-center. As of then, dynamic resizing is broken until I delete it and kill -9 unity-settings-daemon. [10:43] michael-vb, k, please write that in the bug report [10:43] Will do. Enjoy your lunch. [10:43] thanks [10:43] (You must be further east than me...) [10:44] I'm on european time, but need to go for some errands and I'm going to have lunch after that [10:44] bbiab === JMulholland_ is now known as JMulholland [11:22] tjaalton, hey - are you aware of any Intel gfx driver issues atm? [11:22] like are there any new versions coming down the pipe to fix anything? [11:22] willcooke: no new bugs being filed anyway [11:23] tjaalton, thx [11:23] Laney, any X dash issues on your XPS? (Is it hi dpi?) [11:24] what kind of issues? [11:24] Laney, slow dash opening, generally clunky [11:24] no [11:24] it's fine sorry :( [11:25] sabdfl, your laptop is Hi DPI right? [11:25] willcooke, yes indeed [11:25] thx sabdfl [11:25] * willcooke ponders [11:25] 3200x1800 here [11:25] but xenial [11:25] Trevinho, fyi - issues with dash being slow in X ^ [11:26] mh... [11:26] something driver related it seems... [11:26] thats what I was thinking [11:27] morning all [11:27] dash search is always slow ;) [11:27] tjaalton: that's somewhat true :-P [11:28] sabdfl, just to confirm.. this is slowness when opening the dash, and it rendering on screen - or slowness in populating the dash with icons etc [11:28] Well, it depends... Really it depeends on the source [11:29] sabdfl: also... Only dash or also switcher / shutdown dialog (unity views, in general). [11:29] ? [11:55] willcooke, it's slowness on GL transitions - fades, merges. Opening the dash... is... like... this.... [11:55] looks like it affects the HUD too [11:55] Trevinho, ^ [11:56] lsmod|grep ^i915 [11:56] sabdfl: ^ [11:56] seb128, Laney: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/geoclue-providers/0.12.99-2ubuntu4 this still belongs to -desktop, but is in universe. prevents libgps cruft removal === hikiko is now known as hikiko|ln [11:57] sabdfl: can you run /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p for reference? [11:58] Trevinho, lots of green yes's [11:59] that's more detailed yes [11:59] sabdfl: renderer is intel, right? [11:59] OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Haswell Mobile [11:59] OpenGL version string: 3.0 Mesa 11.1.1 [11:59] ok, fine... [12:00] sabdfl: when the problem started happening? Just today? [12:00] there could be a GPU hang [12:00] check dmesg [12:00] In the unity stack there have been no updates for some weeks, so... I'd go looking something deeper [12:00] no, i think its been slow for a while, i just happened to have olli handy to complain to today :) [12:01] oh.. :) [12:02] Laney, is your laptop Haswell too? [12:02] or Trevinho, do you have a Haswell machine? [12:02] willcooke: no sir... :( [12:03] * willcooke goes to track one down [12:03] umm [12:03] or... maybe... I could check my father's laptop [12:03] it's likely a hung gpu causing it [12:04] the driver does an auto-reset but it might still get stuck running on the lowest frequency [12:04] broadwell apparently [12:05] thanks Laney [12:05] tjaalton, any recent updates to the driver? [12:05] recent ish [12:06] a week ago [12:06] oki [12:06] sabdfl: is it like that right after bootup? [12:07] I think we need to find a Haswell machine to test this on [12:07] machine has been up a little while, i could reboot [12:09] tjaalton, will gpu hangs be logged in syslog? [12:09] yes [12:09] shows in dmesg and kern.log [12:09] sabdfl, could you paste your syslog and kern.log to paste.canonical.com ? [12:09] or similar [12:19] Sweet5hark: seems the ubuntu8 LibO regresses on s390x, and one retry didn't help; is that JunitTest_sot_complex thing somethign that just tends to fail often, or something which should be looked at? [12:19] Sweet5hark: not that s390x would be particularly important for LibO of course, so I'm fine with just ignoring it [12:19] doko: ^ FYI [12:19] correction, I alredy did two retries [12:20] http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/libr/libreoffice/xenial/s390x/ [12:20] a shame, as otherwise it worked fairly well up to now === jhernand1z is now known as jhernandez === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr [12:31] doko: this doesn't make sense [12:31] how did libgps -2 migrate if it's a transition that breaks packages? [12:31] guess someone gets to figure out the API changes now [12:33] Laney, just saw it in NBS. fyi, upstream doesn't have this source anymore, but a new geoclue 2.4.2 [12:33] I know [12:40] pitti: interesting. [12:40] pitti: so, this is ubuntu8 vs ubuntu7 (which used to work on s390x), right? [12:41] Sweet5hark: right === hikiko|ln is now known as hikiko [12:41] pitti: there wasnt too much of a change between those two: doko added multiarch foo. [12:42] Sweet5hark, does LO use transactional memory? [12:43] pitti: sot is fairly low in the stack -- if its broken, many things might be. OTOH, this is an out-of-process java junit test interacting with libreoffice as another process ... [12:45] pitti: sooo, chances are, this has nothing to do with the sot part (that the test intends to target), but with general toolchain/java/whatever issues. External java testing has been fairly stable on common used platforms, but somewhat shaky elsewhere ... [12:45] Sweet5hark: or coudl that be related to building with JDK8 now? [12:45] pitti: yeah, possibly. [12:45] Sweet5hark: ubuntu8 might have built against the current java-common in -proposed which switches to JDK8 by default [12:46] * Sweet5hark looks at the log. [12:51] pitti: hmmm, that throws a RuntimeExcpetion in the loop after http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/sot/qa/complex/olesimplestorage/Test01.java#105 .. [12:54] which triggers file-io in LibreOffice and reads Bytes on it. Likely the stream read is truncated or something. [12:56] pitti: doesnt fire a synapse immediately for me how multiarch or a different jvm should trigger that. [12:57] Sweet5hark: ok; we can retry 0ubuntu7 on current xenial after the queues have settled down (due to perl), then it's easier to compare [12:58] pitti: OTOH I intend to bump us to 5.1.0~rc3 ~today -- which will present us with a whole new and different arrangement of failures anyway ... [12:58] haha [12:59] Sweet5hark: as I said, I'm happy to ignore this failure, but as there are a few other regressions due to JDK8 I thought you shold at least ack this [13:00] pitti: so, TBH i wouldnt overinvest in getting 5.0 on xenial nice and clean as we will throw it away anyhow. [13:00] Sweet5hark: but, but.. all those s390x LibO users! (I'm sure you can find a way to actually run it through ssh or something :) ) [13:00] Sweet5hark: ok, so ignore that failure to let ubuntu8 land, and see how 5.1 behaves? [13:01] pitti: yeah, thanks for the heads-up. I would likely need a login on a builder box (and rewrite that test in C++ to keep sane) to debug that ... [13:01] pitti: yes [13:01] Sweet5hark: I can give you temp ssh access to that (but as I said, they are swamped right now, so not now) [13:02] pitti: yeah. lets reinvestigate when the smoke clears over libreoffice 5.1 === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:06] pitti: (BTW looking at the failure its "all those s390x users doing Microsoft OLE-Object embedding in LibreOffice") [13:07] I bet that one user out there is very effective in filing lots of bugs and raising hell about it though. [13:08] * Sweet5hark just realizes that homeopathy work for IT too. [13:38] haswell? /me is still hearing the atmosphere on 2nd generation i7. [13:38] s/hearing/heating/ [13:56] Restore the scaling on the greeter [13:56] :-oooooooooooooooooooooooo [13:58] ^ is that a giraffe? [14:05] urg [14:06] daily iso has no ati/intel/nouveau/radeon/qxl/vesa xorg drivers [14:06] no wonder the greeter doesn't show :p [14:06] tjaalton, ^ known? [14:06] huh [14:06] xenial? [14:06] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/xenial-desktop-amd64.manifest [14:06] but yeah [14:06] Laney, I wanted to test ubiquity/Webkit2 :p [14:06] well, still on it, need a working session first [14:07] hmm, probably because -amdgpu is not in main yet [14:07] heh [14:07] added it to -video-all, wouldn't have expected this to happen :P [14:07] :-/ [14:07] and we keep publishing isos as current when they don't start [14:07] annoying === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:08] I'll file a MIR and get it moved today [14:08] thanks [14:08] or without MIR, it's a no-brainer [14:08] check with the MIR team I guess? [14:08] I can do the archive promotion for you [14:09] checking with #u-r now [14:48] sabdfl, willcooke: xenial seems happy on a haswell laptop here, so it's not a widespread issue I hope [14:48] sabdfl, do you have the discrete gfx hardware as well or just the Intel built in one? [14:49] thanks tjaalton [14:51] willcooke, i think intel only [14:51] mark@mark-XPS-15:~$ lspci | grep VGA [14:51] 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 06) [14:51] thx sabdfl [14:54] Laney, ubiquity webkit2 doesn't work for me, the slides don't show :-/ [14:55] unsure where to look, /var/log/installer/debug has "(process:8709): Gtk-WARNING **: This process is currently running setuid or setgid. This is not a supported use of GTK+. You must create a helper" [14:56] Laney, using the laney/wk2 package published an hour ago or so [15:02] Trevinho, Laney, seb128: looking at sphinxbase ... [15:02] * amd64: gstreamer0.10-pocketsphinx, libpocketsphinx-dev, libpocketsphinx1, libunityvoice1, libunityvoice1-dev, pocketsphinx-utils, python-pocketsphinx, python-pocketsphinx-dbg, simon, sphinx3, sphinxtrain, sphinxtrain-dev, unity-voice-autopilot, unity-voice-service [15:03] doko, yes? [15:03] Logan synced sphinxbase, but it won't migrate. is there any reason not to continue the transition? [15:03] not that I know of [15:03] I had to look at the unity-voice build issue on my list but didn't manage to find slots for it yet [15:03] if you want to do it that would be nice [15:08] I'll look and do the other rdeps first [15:11] doko, thanks [15:19] urg [15:19] pitti, larsu, my /var/log/journal is 2G ... is that expected? is there any cleaning done for that one or does it just accumulate over time? [15:22] seb128: it is expected, yes; the journal grows until it hits SystemMaxUse= (by default 10%), or if the remaining free space drops bwlow SystemKeepFree= (default 15%), then the oldest stuff gets rotated out [15:22] seb128: i. e. it dynamically grows and shrinks with the amount of available disk space [15:22] k, weird [15:22] I had less that 1G free disk this week [15:22] and still the journal is 2G [15:22] you can also configure it to a more "classic" SystemMaxFileSize=, but I think that dynamic one is a better default [15:23] I'm often around 900M free disk on that 80G drive [15:23] is there a command I can run to garbage collect the journal/clean out old entries? [15:23] just rm? [15:24] yes, you can just rm the files, but a bug report with "df" and an ls -l /var/log/journal/* would be good [15:25] I'm going to do that next time, I've deleted vms and pbuilder cache & other things and I'm back up to 10G free [15:25] seb128: a more fine-grained command is journalctl --vacuum-{size,time,files}, see manpage [15:25] thanks [15:26] seb128: can you compare the output of [15:26] sudo du -hs /var/log/journal/ [15:26] with [15:26] sudo journalctl --disk-usage [15:26] ? [15:26] Archived and active journals take up 1.9G on disk. [15:26] 2,0G /var/log/journal/ [15:26] I have 2.7 GB, and 77G free on / [15:27] ok, that sounds about right [15:28] wow, my logs start on September 21, that's a looot of history [15:28] -rw-r-x---+ 1 root systemd-journal 48M juin 28 2015 system@00051997a0a1257b-e [15:28] 81a5e1204d5e56d.journal~ [15:28] pitti, ^ beat you ;-) [15:29] * desrt senses a disturbance in the force [15:29] seb128: ok, let me try again [15:30] it's time!!!11 [15:30] #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-02-09 [15:30] Meeting started Tue Feb 9 15:30:30 2016 UTC. The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:30] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-02-09 | Current topic: [15:30] o hai [15:30] hi desrt ! [15:30] hey [15:30] Roll call: andyrock, attente, desrt, dgadomski, fjkong(out), happyaron(out), hikiko, laney, larsu, qengho(out), seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter(out), trevinho, robert_ancell (out) [15:30] o/ [15:31] hey! [15:31] (ok running out :p) [15:31] hey! [15:31] hi didrocks! [15:31] * desrt misses didrocks' name on the list [15:31] Ho [15:31] :( [15:31] Ho [15:31] * didrocks hugs desrt [15:32] * desrt feels warm [15:32] o/ [15:32] My keyboard does not like me [15:32] didrocks is here in spirit [15:32] well, and he's actually present [15:32] :) [15:34] I figured we'd go round the list as usual and each person can paste their update and the 16.04 landings update [15:34] then if there are questions etc we can address them, then move on to the next person [15:34] Let's begin... [15:34] #topic andyrock === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-02-09 | Current topic: andyrock [15:35] I ve been working on launcher integration. The branch is almost done. I m a bit blocked because libappstream-glib gives us icon as pixbufs and not gicons but nothing impossible to workaround [15:35] G-s launcher integration [15:35] I ll try to finish it by the end of tomorrow [15:36] ^H^H^H thanks [15:36] anything pending for 16.04 feature wise? I think that's all right? [15:36] For the thing I want to push before ff [15:36] Just this one [15:37] And startup notifications [15:37] Should go without problems [15:37] did the session dialogs changes landed? or did that got removed from the xenial list? [15:37] Not yet :\ [15:37] But it s low priority [15:38] well, that's sort of the point of doing the status update on feature now [15:38] either we drop them or get them done in the next week or so [15:38] I would rather push the other two [15:38] I guess it means that one is not for this cycle? [15:38] right, it's fine [15:38] we just need to focus on the important bits ;-) [15:38] I ll try but no promise [15:38] :) [15:39] thanks [15:39] No [15:39] better to focus on getting the launcher stuff done [15:39] just retarget it to next cycle if it's not going to land [15:39] Np [15:39] Sure [15:39] thanks andyrock [15:39] seb128, anything else here? [15:39] no ;-) [15:40] good stuff, thanks [15:40] #topic attente === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-02-09 | Current topic: attente [15:40] andyrock: I can help if needed with features in case... [15:41] unity-greeter hi-dpi menu positioning fix [15:41] more discussions and revisions to https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756579... [15:41] thanks for that one! [15:41] Gnome bug 756579 in Widget: GtkMenu "GTK should let GDK position menus" [Critical,Needinfo] [15:41] implemented ubuntu-sso login dialog for submitting reviews in gnome software, struggling with some (i think) threading issues.......... [15:41] attente: happy to help look at those [15:41] seb128: np! [15:42] desrt: thanks [15:42] thanks attente [15:42] keep me posted on the SSo work [15:43] attente, I dont think you have any other 16.04 landings, right? [15:43] looking at pocketsphinx ... Laney, finding your name in the changelog ... is there still need for the various english language models? [15:44] doko: 1) meeting 2) dunno [15:44] no [15:45] thanks attente [15:45] #topic desrt === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-02-09 | Current topic: desrt [15:45] hi. refactoring the gsettings work to a nicer state. [15:45] started to have some more serious discussions about timellines and when/how this will land (the containerisation work) [15:45] looking at early next cycle, so it can get lots of users by 16.10 [15:46] hope to have the 'upstream' stuff mostly done by march [15:46] not really a 16.04 target, but 'just after 16.04' [15:46] that's all for technical stuff [15:47] thanks desrt [15:47] #topic dgadomski === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-02-09 | Current topic: dgadomski [15:47] hey [15:47] * investigated a complaint to bug 1337873 - it appeared that user was depending on unsupported behaviour [15:47] bug 1337873 in ifupdown (Debian) "ifupdown initialization problems caused by race condition" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1337873 [15:47] * tested fix to bug 1538724 - looking good [15:47] bug 1538724 in firefox (Ubuntu Wily) "GraphicsCriticalError: |[0][GFX1]: Unknown cairo format 3" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1538724 [15:47] (eof) [15:47] thanks dgadomski [15:47] thank you [15:48] #topic hikiko === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-02-09 | Current topic: hikiko [15:48] I am working on the ezoom integration: I did some fixes on nux and unity to be able to use the code I had already and now I debug the transformations that take place when I add the compiz zoom transformation matrix to the nux matrix stack. Compiz and nux have different matrix representations and stacks and I am trying to see if I can use the scale matrix in a way that the components are scaled automatically avoiding the double scaling issues [15:48] I had the other time (although at the end I ll have to scale 1 by 1 the unity components that are not rendered by nux). [15:48] eof :) [15:48] what's the status of the CSD decorations? that still didn't land? [15:49] no, it's under review [15:49] marco will review it but he has the launcher and all that [15:49] k [15:49] it's getting late [15:49] we said in London that things should be done a week after the sprint [15:50] that was back in 2015 ;-) [15:50] a year ago! [15:50] oh well, I hope it lands this week [15:50] well the code seems to work but it needs to be reviewed [15:50] and tested [15:50] right [15:50] btw [15:50] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LABxkCLVSUg seb128 [15:50] it might be useful to put it in a silo for testing? [15:51] I don't know if I pasted it the other time [15:51] anyway it was not especially for you hikiko [15:51] we just need as a team to see that landing [15:51] hikiko, thanks ;-) [15:51] seb128, Trevinho - lets see where we are on Friday ^ [15:52] k [15:52] thanks hikiko [15:52] #topic Laney === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-02-09 | Current topic: Laney [15:52] ok [15:52] • short week, short status! [15:52] • Updated appstream-cloud to be properly integrated with prodstack & have some more actions and nagios checks, contribute patches to increase coverage and find new icons faster, debug some issues [15:52] ∘ Fighting with IS over restrictive policies meaning we can't download screenshots [15:52] • Worked on rebasing wk2 packages on the archive and a new port for sphinx tests which got enabled in the meantime (16.04 feature, will be in before FF) [15:53] • helped to land terminal scrollbar fix [15:53] ︘ [15:54] thanks Laney, anything 16.04 related looking risky? (screenshots download aside) [15:54] Laney, how is the wk2 transition looking? I start to see today if I can help a bit on testing/reviewing but I'm probably not going to have limited slots for that [15:54] you are not going to have limited slots? [15:54] that sounds good [15:54] -not [15:54] WHAT [15:54] doh, I was typing something else and changed mid way :p [15:55] it's fine [15:55] dunno why ubiquity broke though, that worked before [15:55] annoying [15:55] well, I can help a bit, so let me know if there is something you would prefer me to look at [15:55] is it buggy for you as well? [15:55] yeah [15:55] it's something to do with it running as root [15:55] yeah :-/ [15:55] POs [15:55] POS [15:55] POSPOSPOSPSOPSO [15:56] * Sweet5hark slowly backs away ... [15:56] thanks a lot Laney [15:56] #topic larsu === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-02-09 | Current topic: larsu [15:56] last meeting :( [15:56] :-( [15:57] :( [15:57] :(( [15:57] not a lot to report: slightly shorter week as well [15:57] did some administration stuff (turns out I'm leaving) [15:57] wait! you lease on the 18th, next meeting is on the 16th? [15:57] * pitti sheds a tear for larsu [15:57] :'( [15:57] seb128: some last days of holiday [15:57] ah right [15:57] larsu, we are going to miss you! [15:57] we are indeed [15:57] * seb128 hugs larsu [15:57] I'm off Monday at noon officially [15:58] * larsu hugs EVERYONE [15:58] come and visit [15:58] * Trevinho re-hugs [15:58] hehe [15:58] * didrocks hugs larsu as well [15:58] * Sweet5hark shakes angry old man fist for larsu leaving us. [15:58] haha [15:58] * pitti hugs larsu big time [15:58] * larsu sheds a tear [15:58] but I also have some status! [15:58] geonames index is coming along [15:59] should probably talk to desrt at some point - she might be the next maintainer [15:59] also fixed scrollbars in terminals (THEME!) [15:59] (with a bad hack sadly, but I couldn't think of anything better) [15:59] [15:59] bye bye larsu [15:59] thanks larsu [16:00] any news on your bike? [16:00] have to buy new wheels [16:00] rode Faina's today [16:00] it's ... small [16:00] :) [16:01] it's been a pleasure larsu, sorry you're going. Will chat later in the week. [16:01] #topic seb128 === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-02-09 | Current topic: seb128 [16:01] • some desktop updates (gedit, gnome-calculator, gtk) [16:01] • reverted the gtk fileselector single-click-open behaviour change [16:01] • gnome-software/packagekit/aptdaemon discussions [16:01] • synced new manpages from Debian (yeah, remaining delta deprecated by upstream changes!) [16:01] • reverted nautilus in xenial, discussed the new version with upstream [16:01] • patch pilot shift [16:01] • fixed low res icon for the unity-control-center sound panel [16:01] • enabled hi-dpi scaling on unity-greeter [16:01] • tested ubiquity/webkitgtk2, debugging xenial daily not starting on the way (missing xorg drivers) [16:01] [16:02] thanks seb128 [16:02] I don't have features on my personal list, but I'm trying to see if I can help others to land the remaining things we need to land [16:02] e.g webkitgtk2 [16:02] gnome-software [16:02] libreoffice 5.1 [16:02] let me know if you think I can help you with some feature that still need to land [16:02] seb128: do you know if removing software works now? I found the issue at the hackfest, but don't know if it ended up being fixe [16:02] *fixed [16:03] larsu, I don't know, but robert_ancell is wriing an aptdaemon backend [16:03] since porting the archive away from it was not really doable [16:03] and packagekit is slow [16:03] ah, right [16:03] seems the safest option for this cycle [16:03] indeed [16:04] #topic TheMuso === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-02-09 | Current topic: TheMuso [16:04] Accessibility profile manager rework: [16:04] * The core library has been written, and is functional. It still may receive some minor functionality improvements and API additions/changes, but it is working. The package is in the new queue now, and a MIR will be applied for as soon as its in the archive. [16:04] * I've also written a small CLI utility to facilitate quick testing, both the library, and profile metadata itself. [16:04] * UI wise, for the time being, I have created an indicator that shows the available accessibility profiles in a list, with the currently enabled profile shown as such. This indicator will be off by default, but will be shown during install, and whenever a profile is enabled. I'll probably add another option to the indicator menu to allow the user to hide it if they wish, regardless of whether a profile is enabled or not. [16:04] * I have a small change that I still need to propose for merging in the universal access panel of Unity control center. The change adds a profiles tab, with a simple toggle switch, to show or hide the indicator. I am using the org.gnome.desktop.a11y always-show-universal-access-status GSettings schema and key. GNOME shell uses this to allow the user to show or hide its own accessibility menu, so since we don't use it, I thought to be [16:04] somewhat compatible with GNOME shell, I would use this GSettings value too. It should be noted that I have not done any work to integrate this profiles mechanism into any of the GTK based Ubuntu derivatives as of yet. [16:04] * The same profiles tab in the universal access control center panel will likely be expanded in the future to show a list of profiles, and allow the user to activate/deactivate profiles. Will not be done this cycle, likely need to discuss the best UI to use in this context. [16:05] Still to do: [16:05] * Refactor Ubiquity to launch the new a11y profile indicator. At the moment, Ubiquity ahs its own indicator with the hard-coded list of profiles. Using the new indicator in ubiquity should be trivial. [16:05] * Implement a mechanism to notify the user of available accessib [16:05] ility profiles if they start using an assistive technology like Orca. THis is low priority, because I am not entirely sure of the best way to present this to the user UI wise, probably something for next cycle, although I will see what I can come up with, if I find myself with time to spare. [16:05] * Patch Orca to use GSettings as its settings backend of choice if the user doesn't have any existing Orca configuration present. [16:05] * Integrate everything into the desktop image, i.e seeds, MIR (discussed above), ubiquity etc. [16:05] Other stuff: [16:05] * Getting a final opinion on whether we want pulseaudio 8. If others involved with audio stuff are agreeable, that will likely be in by the end of this week. [16:05] I don't expect I will need to file any feature freeze exception requests, but that will depend on how long the package will take to get into the archive, and get a MIR approved. [16:05] chew on that... [16:05] that's quite a verbose summary! [16:06] I was supposed to summarise, but I didnt [16:06] lol [16:06] I see :-) [16:06] :) [16:06] you don't get to write that on your weekly status update then :p [16:06] :) [16:06] #topic tkamppeter === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-02-09 | Current topic: tkamppeter [16:06] irc character limit reached for the day [16:06] +1 on geting the news pulseaudio [16:07] seb128, agreed [16:07] - cups-filters: Added facility to optionally create local queues pointing to remote raw queues. Before only remote queues with driver/PPD were taken into account. [16:07] - Printing Architecture: Debian has dropped LSB support. Studied alternatives for creating distribution-independent binary packages. [16:07] - OpenPrinting Summit: Sent out first speaker invitations. [16:07] - Performance review. [16:07] - Bugs. [16:07] What should go into 16.04 from my side is: [16:07] - Printing stack on the phone. [16:07] - Get Ghostscript synced with Debian, Will please make the security team pass the openjpeg MIR before FF. Thanks. [16:08] - HPLIP 3.16.2 (got released today) [16:08] - CUPS 2.1.3 [16:08] - The usual pre-FF round of version checks on all printing-related packages to have them up to date. [16:08] tkamppeter's stuff is all in good shape - I'll see what we can do with the MIR [16:08] #topic Trevinho === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-02-09 | Current topic: Trevinho [16:08] · Zeitgeist upstart and vacuum support [16:08] · Updated unity nautilus patches for 3.14 revert [16:08] · Working on fixing lp:unity failure (big thanks to cjwatson! didrocks hijacking failed :-D) [16:08] · libwnck new upstream release and some mainteinance [16:08] · fixes to unity upstream to support multi-arch natively [16:08] · Fixed a launcher-filemanager integration issue [16:08] · Some tuning on the bottom launcher branch for kylin [16:08] · Unity theming improvements [16:08] · Unity packaging fixes (moving the non-lib bits from libunity-core package) [16:08] · Reviews?! [16:08]  [16:09] thanks Trevinho [16:10] so yeah, let's see how the reviews are going on Friday and see if we need to swap anything around [16:10] Trevinho, are we landing the launcher@bottom in xenial? [16:10] no [16:10] k [16:10] seb128: we try to... [16:10] Ah, ok :D [16:10] so why do we spend work on it before ff? :p [16:10] k [16:10] seems like a "discuss after meeting" item ;-) [16:11] yeah, lets do that [16:11] I didn't look at the zg on upstart into too much details [16:11] do we really need an upstart job for that? [16:11] thinking about it, maybe I'm wrong, because Kylin want it [16:11] but we dont [16:11] Laney, ^ if you want to help reviewing that it would be welcome [16:11] seb128: that's for ensuring the vacuum happens at the right time [16:11] your upstart foo is probably better than mine [16:12] upstart to run vacuum? [16:12] we do it every 10 days... [16:13] Laney, bug #919801 [16:13] bug 919801 in zeitgeist (Ubuntu) "Unity dash file search is extremely slow" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/919801 [16:13] but let's handle that after the meeting as well [16:14] willcooke, I'm done with questions for Trevinho ;-) [16:14] heh [16:14] thanks Trevinho [16:14] #topic willcooke === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-02-09 | Current topic: willcooke [16:14] Worrying about GNOME Software [16:14] ASM Prep [16:14] REviews [16:14] more worrying about GNOME Software [16:14] yeah :-/ [16:15] Less worried now, and a plan for what to do next is forming [16:15] so I think we'll work it out [16:15] #topic any other business === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-02-09 | Current topic: any other business [16:15] willcooke: :( nobody missing my weekly libreoffice rant? [16:15] oh [16:15] how did I manage that [16:15] #topic Sweet5hark === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-02-09 | Current topic: Sweet5hark [16:15] - 5.1.0/xenial rebases on multiarch [16:15] - 5.0.5 updates for wily [16:15] - some patch backports for trusty and precise [16:15] - work on snappy: [16:15] -- trying to get a good debug env in snappy [16:15] -- ended up bundling strace and gdb in the snap [16:15] -- build a debug build of libreoffice [16:15] -- discovered that the failures happen in obscure toolchain places (e.g. in std::ostream::sentry) that dont make much sense even in the debugger [16:15] -- reenabled tests in the build and looked at test failures in snapcraft (not snappy) [16:15] -- found similar basic weirdness around C++ std libs (e.g. stream operations) [16:15] ==> now trying to isolate a smallish testcase that doesnt need ~all of libreoffice and its infrastruce with UNO and friends [16:15] - also: FOSDEM madness (including giving a devroom talk), and TDF board/staff meetings, LibreOffice Hackfest [16:16] thanks Sweet5hark [16:16] willcooke, no update from robert_ancell? [16:17] no I figure I could probably fill that in for him [16:17] #topic robert_ancell === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-02-09 | Current topic: robert_ancell [16:17] GNOME Software [16:17] #topic any other business === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2016-02-09 | Current topic: any other business [16:17] ;-) [16:17] hehe [16:18] oki, anyone got anything else before we wrap? [16:18] oh, please let me have your 360 names [16:18] let's go back to work on getting those features landed? ;-) [16:18] willcooke, when is that due? [16:18] why do they always put admin stuff in the busy periods? :p [16:18] ideally before MWC which is 22 Feb [16:19] k [16:19] oki, thanks very much everyone [16:19] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Amaterasu watches over you benevolently | Tag "gtk318" for gtk 3.18 bugs please and thanks [16:19] Meeting ended Tue Feb 9 16:19:27 2016 UTC. [16:19] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2016/ubuntu-desktop.2016-02-09-15.30.moin.txt [16:19] thanks [16:28] possibly haz slideshow [16:29] nice! [16:29] what was it? [16:29] Sweet5hark, how is that libreoffice update coming along? [16:30] http://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/zlidezhow.png [16:30] dropping more privileges [16:30] want to make a pkg to be sure though [16:30] also this iso is oooooooooooold [16:31] it's the wrong animal! [16:32] seb128: finished building, is uploaded at http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/xenial/5.1.0/ -- currently updating my VM to smoketest the build (aka check if it really starts when manually kicked off on a machine). [16:33] Sweet5hark, k [16:36] seb128: and passes smoketest, please consider sponsoring from the above link at a time of your convenience. [16:36] Sweet5hark, great, thanks! [16:36] seb128: yw [17:35] getting off a bit early, see you! [17:36] Laney, have fun! [17:37] see ya Laney === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [19:03] eod [19:46] g'night all [19:59] robert_ancell: g'morning [20:02] attente, hi [20:03] robert_ancell: so the sso auth should be working on the branch now if you want to give it a try [20:03] attente, awesome [20:04] attente, the wip/rancell/reviews branch? [20:04] yes [20:04] robert_ancell: i'm wondering, if at some point we should clean up the branch with an interactive rebase [20:05] attente, I have a branch like that I've been maintaining - it's how I've generated the patches on GNOME Bugzilla [20:07] robert_ancell: oh, so there's a bug for it you've been attaching patches to? [20:07] attente, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759527 [20:07] Gnome bug 759527 in General "Add support for reviews" [Normal,New] [21:06] pitti, ping? [21:20] hello robert_ancell [21:20] * pitti should really avoid falling into the old "ping" trap at half past ten.. [21:20] pitti, hi, did you see the lightdm install issue? Seems to be related to systemd + dbus [21:20] pitti, heh [21:21] robert_ancell: no, I'm not aware of that, what's the bug#? [21:21] pitti, seems to be a flurry of bugs, e.g. lp:1542549 [21:21] lp:#1542549 [21:21] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1542549 [21:21] Launchpad bug 1542549 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "package lightdm 1.17.5-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [High,Confirmed] [21:22] Setting up lightdm (1.17.5-0ubuntu2) ... [21:22] insserv: Service dbus has to be enabled to start service lightdm [21:22] insserv: exiting now! [21:22] update-rc.d: error: insserv rejected the script header [21:22] from dpkg [21:22] insserv: Service dbus has to be enabled to start service lightdm [21:22] ah, yes [21:23] so, dbus was disabled [21:23] robert_ancell: as the first iteration this smells a bit like bug 1540568 [21:23] bug 1540568 in systemd (Ubuntu) "package udev 228-4ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: Service mountkernfs has to be enabled to start service udev" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1540568 [21:23] we had a bad update-rc.d in xenial for a day or 1.5, which caused issues like that [21:25] robert_ancell: and lo and behold, mate alpha-2 has that bad version (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mate/releases/16.04/alpha-2/xenial-desktop-amd64.manifest) [21:25] pitti, ok, cool. I'll just ignore those issues then. [21:26] robert_ancell: I followed up with instructions how to fix, and duped [21:27] pitti, thanks! [21:55] attente, would you know the answer to lp:#1543617 ? [21:55] lp:1543617 [21:55] ubot5`, wake up! [21:56] https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1543617 [21:56] Launchpad bug 1543617 in accountsservice (Ubuntu) "InputSources should have an explicit default" [Undecided,New] [21:59] robert_ancell: wouldn't we have to customize that xml depending on the language the user chooses in ubiquity? [21:59] attente, I don't really know, but I think you were working on input sources right? [22:00] I don't really get the problem from the description [22:00] i think what jonas is thinking about is that mir probably is hard-coding the default and would prefer it come from accountsservice instead === Noskcaj_ is now known as Noskcaj [23:04] attente, you probably want to pull the reviews branch, the core support landed in master and I've now merged it [23:05] robert_ancell: does that only include your patches from the bz bug? [23:06] attente, richard chopped everything up [23:07] oh dear. ok, so if i want to get the ubuntu sso dialog in there, i should attach it to the bug? [23:09] oh. i see what you mean [23:09] the ubuntu plugin is still in progress [23:11] are we upstreaming that? or is that going to be a distro patch for us? [23:30] attente, it's in the bug, but Richard hasn't reviewed it yet. [23:30] So I'll ask him now we have the core stuff in, but I'd prepare for a distro patch [23:31] ok, that's fine