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tsimonq2wxl: what's the plan for 14.04.4?12:37
phillwdesktop ones get tested once they go into 'test'12:37
tsimonq2phillw: which is why I asked our QA manager :)18:13
phillwtsimonq2: he already answered it in the recent email he sent out :)18:15
tsimonq2phillw: oh well I guess I should check that, sorry XD18:16
tsimonq2phillw: yeah I'm not seeing anything :/18:16
tsimonq2o/ I'm ready for the meeting18:58
wxlwe might be it XD18:58
wxli think i'll hang around for a while18:58
tsimonq2yeah lol18:58
* tsimonq2 hands teward a cup of coffee while he waits for the meeting to start19:03
redwolfo.o19:05
redwolfmy body is ready19:05
tsimonq20_____019:05
redwolffor the meeting   o__o19:05
tsimonq2oh :P XD19:06
* teward locks redwolf and tsimonq2 into a small room19:06
wxlwell that's one more19:06
* wxl wonders if phillw is going to come19:07
* teward wonders if evil is nigh19:07
tewardanyways19:07
tsimonq2lel o/19:07
* teward is having issues with the ISOs, believes latest kernel update to host OS is at fault :P19:07
* teward disappears19:07
redwolfzzzzzz...19:09
tsimonq2yeah wxl, when's the meeting gonna start? XD19:09
wxlwhen i know there's more than two people19:10
wxlunless you wish to talk to yourself19:10
* redwolf downloads... things... in the meanwhile19:10
tsimonq2O______O19:10
tsimonq2wxl: this is why email reminders should be more then 10 mintes beforehand! :P19:10
wxltsimonq2: i nominate you as secretary then19:11
redwolfO.O!19:11
tsimonq2wxl: sure19:11
* tsimonq2 sets up an automated system to do this automatically19:11
redwolflike those porn secretaries with short skirts and big fake glasses, licking a pencil?19:11
tsimonq2O____O19:11
saeronhi19:12
redwolfo/ saeron19:13
saeron?19:13
wxlhi saeron. here for the meeing?19:13
tsimonq2saeron: greetings!19:13
saeronyes19:13
saeroni think19:13
saeronxd19:13
wxlwe'll get going in a bit19:13
wxlwaiting for people to show up :)19:13
saeronok19:13
wxlwell it's been long enough19:14
tsimonq2+119:14
wxli guess i'm just going to go ahead19:14
wxl#startmeeting Lubuntu 10 February 2016 19:00 UTC meeting19:15
meetingologyMeeting started Wed Feb 10 19:15:04 2016 UTC.  The chair is wxl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.19:15
meetingologyAvailable commands: action commands idea info link nick19:15
=== meetingology changed the topic of #lubuntu-devel to: Lubuntu QA/Development | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/QA | Support: #lubuntu | Chat: #lubuntu-offtopic | now testing Xenial Xerus 16.04 LTS dailies | Trusty Tahr 14.04.4 LTS testing to begin 9 Feb | Lubuntu 10 February 2016 19:00 UTC meeting | Current topic:
wxlhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda is our agenda19:15
wxli know that tsimonq2 is anxious to get started on his topic so i'll let him go first19:15
wxl#topic Test cases for Lubuntu19:16
=== meetingology changed the topic of #lubuntu-devel to: Lubuntu QA/Development | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/QA | Support: #lubuntu | Chat: #lubuntu-offtopic | now testing Xenial Xerus 16.04 LTS dailies | Trusty Tahr 14.04.4 LTS testing to begin 9 Feb | Lubuntu 10 February 2016 19:00 UTC meeting | Current topic: Test cases for Lubuntu
tsimonq2ooh yay19:16
tsimonq2okay, so as you all know we have atest cases for Lubuntu on iso.qa.ubuntu.com and packages.qa.ubuntu.com19:16
tsimonq2to generate the test cases they have to be manually written out19:16
wxlnot as we *all* know, but some of us, yes19:16
tsimonq2wxl: well yeah :D19:17
tsimonq2so anyeays19:17
wxlfor those that don't know, it's a qa tool for testing to ensure that our testing process is the same for every test19:17
tsimonq2*anyways19:17
tsimonq2(this is why wxl going first with QA would have been best XD)19:17
tsimonq2anyways, so I wanted to bring this up because I have been recently been getting into writing test cases. Basically, if you are looking at the tracker and you feel that a test for an application would be nice, speak up, because I would like to benefit Lubuntu by making more test cases19:18
thsefdhefgsethfso/19:19
tsimonq2(sorry for the weird wording this is just on the spot)19:19
wxlhai noah XD19:19
tsimonq2thsefdhefgsethfs: question? XD19:19
tsimonq2so anyways, I am asking the general Lubuntu people if more test cases are needed19:20
tsimonq2and I will make them happen19:20
* tsimonq2 is cringing at his weird wording XD19:21
redwolf...19:21
wxlwe definitely need LXQt testcases19:21
wxlwe should start with the main LXQt components and then add apps as we finally decide on them19:21
tsimonq2I agree19:21
redwolf+119:21
tsimonq2is there a list somewhere, wxl?19:21
wxlgit.lxde.org :)19:21
wxlor you could just use the wiki page that talks about installing lxqt19:22
wxlsince it has a list of packages19:22
tsimonq2wxl: for people who don't know, where's that?19:22
wxlbut one package may specify multiple deliverables so perhaps it'd be best to start with the upstream page i mentioned19:22
wxlhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/LXQt19:22
tsimonq2because I could get a fresh VM or something and use that to test19:22
tsimonq2oh okay19:22
tsimonq2wxl: what do you mean by multiple deliverables?19:23
wxlmultiple commands/programs/etc19:23
tsimonq2ahh okay19:23
tsimonq2wxl: I'm just curious as to what's LXDE and what's LXQt on that upstream link you sent me19:24
wxllxde components are at the bottom19:25
wxlEVERYTHING is lxqt now19:25
tsimonq2oic the LXDE-only packages are on the bottom with deprecated or whatever that is19:25
tsimonq2gotcha19:25
wxlthey're not deprecated, but they're not the main focus of the lxde team19:26
tsimonq2ahh makes sense19:26
wxlit's been made clear to me that lxde will continue, albeit without the support of the entire lxde team19:26
redwolfyes19:26
tsimonq2so I'll get at least merge proposals for the LXQt test cases, maybe I might even create a folder in the testcase dir19:26
tsimonq2wxl: makes sense :)19:26
wxlkeep the lubuntu-devel mailing list informed about progress19:27
wxlyou might want to make a blueprint to track progress19:27
tsimonq2is there anywhere I should document the merge proposals/testcases I write for LXQt, sort of a todo list, or should I just crank it out on my own tools?19:27
tsimonq2yeah I'll do that19:27
wxlyep :)19:28
tsimonq2nvm on the former19:28
tsimonq2so I'll create a blueprint and I'll meail the lubuntu-devel list about that19:28
tsimonq2also19:28
wxlyep19:28
tsimonq2because we still support LXDE even for the LTS, I was wondering if any should be updated19:29
tsimonq2so, I'll email lubuntu-devel, but I was wondering if any need updating19:29
wxlthe testcases for lxde?19:29
tsimonq2yes19:29
tsimonq2on packages.qa.ubuntu.com19:29
wxlnone that i know of but it's worth auditing19:30
tsimonq2so just keep your eyes out for any testcases that need improving, file a bug, and don't be afraid to assign me andor email me at tsimonq2@ubuntu.com19:30
tsimonq2*and/or19:31
wxlokie dokie19:31
wxlthanks for your help with the testcases, tsimonq219:31
tsimonq2no problem19:31
tsimonq2any questions/comments/concerns, let me know at tsimonq2@ubuntu.com19:31
tsimonq2I'll email the list in a few hours19:31
wxlok i guess i'll start on my topic then unless people have questions or antyhing19:31
* tsimonq2 is done with what he has to say19:31
wxl#topic QA19:32
=== meetingology changed the topic of #lubuntu-devel to: Lubuntu QA/Development | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/QA | Support: #lubuntu | Chat: #lubuntu-offtopic | now testing Xenial Xerus 16.04 LTS dailies | Trusty Tahr 14.04.4 LTS testing to begin 9 Feb | Lubuntu 10 February 2016 19:00 UTC meeting | Current topic: QA
wxli'll keep this brief as i have emailed the lubuntu-devel list about it19:32
wxlcurrent focus should be on smoke testing trusty daily images19:32
wxlthe current plan (changed again) is to release on the 18th19:32
wxlwe should have images to test on the tuesday before, if not sooner19:33
wxluntil then, we should just run through the dailies and see if there are any big problems19:33
wxlas per the past few point releases we have done, there will be no alternates and no amd64+mac image (though they were released with the original trusty)19:33
wxlit would always be good to go through old bugs on the release notes and see if any of those bugs are fixed or not and if so mark them as such on the wiki19:34
tsimonq2okay, *my* plan is to confirm bugs for the release notes on Monday night, then if we have images, test those (I would do this over the weekend but dad is taking us to the dells :D)19:34
wxli know tsimonq2 and i and others all have plans of doing so, but the more eyes on it the better19:34
tsimonq2(sorry for interrupting :) )19:34
wxlnp you just repeated me anyways :)19:34
tsimonq2:D19:35
wxlnext focus will be on xenial daily images19:35
wxlwe are (i've confirmed this) doing releases back to back19:35
wxlso the release of xenial beta 1 will be the week right after trusty 14.04.419:35
wxlso no rest for the wicked! keep on testing!19:35
tsimonq2time providing, that will go on my Monday agenda as well19:36
tsimonq2wxl: when can we expect images?19:36
wxlsame philosophy as with trusty applies: smoketest for obvious problems before the milestone, look for bugs that are fixed19:36
wxltsimonq2: releases are (usually) always thursday and we (usually) always have images the tuesday before19:36
wxlso since we'll release beta1 on the 25th, the milestone images will be available on the 23rd19:37
wxlthis is covered in the testing wiki page19:37
wxlwhich i admit is a bit long, but there's a lot of really valuable info there19:37
wxlbeyond that exploratory testing of lxqt and/or the raspberry pi2 images is always welcome19:38
wxli linked the lxqt page before19:38
tsimonq2and a note, if you are looking to get into QA but don't know how, you can find us here :)19:38
tsimonq2or the Testing page19:38
tsimonq2(which wxl has yet to link :) )19:38
wxlhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing19:38
wxland here';s the raspberry pi page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/RaspberryPi19:39
tsimonq2we are always looking for more help, so if you haven't looked into QA, it's pretty easy :)19:39
wxli'd like to figure out a way to get an image for the original Raspberry Pi, but that's kind of way at the bottom of my list so don't anyone get too excited :)19:39
wxloh!19:39
redwolfwill be able to provide a download link for that machine?19:40
wxland just a reminder that we only release PPC images in LTS and both xenial and trusty are LTSs so if you have the hardware or know anyone that does test test test19:40
wxli still have machines to send out to people19:40
* tsimonq2 notes that if he got a Raspberry Pi, this would be a lot quicker, and people could expect it sooner :)19:40
* wxl hangs his head out in shame19:40
wxltsimonq2: well, there is some serious work involved, me thinks19:40
wxlredwolf: that machine, meaning the original Pi?19:41
redwolfno, the Pi2, adding the ISO download to the others19:41
tsimonq2wxl: If it runs with Debian, I can figre it out :D19:41
tsimonq2s/figre/figure/19:41
wxlredwolf: an iso is not relevant to the Pi2 unfortunately19:41
wxlredwolf: but if you follow the link downloadable images are available19:41
wxlalthough reading it now it's not clear19:42
redwolfsorry, let me explain. the same way we provide at lubuntu.me (and still in lubuntu.net) downloads for all machines in several versions, another link to the Pi2 one19:42
redwolfkinda official19:42
tsimonq2=119:42
wxlyeah but only kinda official19:42
tsimonq2s/=/+/19:42
wxlthis is a community supported thing in a way beyond that of ppc19:42
wxlwhich is to say we're not using canonical's build hardware to pump out the images19:43
redwolfmhm19:43
wxlso we have to link outside the normal canonical world19:43
wxlbut that's no problem. sure we can!19:43
redwolfokies :)19:43
* tsimonq2 would like that19:43
wxli think phillw is hosting the images outside of the torrents available on the ubuntu flavor maker page19:44
redwolfaye19:44
wxlit's here19:44
wxlhttp://phillw.net/isos/lubuntu/wily/19:44
tsimonq2wxl: and if it's just a imple process and the source code is available, I might find a way to automate it, then we could throw it on a server :D19:44
wxltsimonq2: yeah i need to talk to flexiondotorg_ about it19:45
wxlredwolf: you want to take care of linking it on the website?19:45
tsimonq2wxl: but Canonical hosting would be awesome19:45
redwolfI will, yes :)19:45
wxltsimonq2: it's NOT going to happen19:45
wxloh!19:45
tsimonq2wxl: just curious, why not?19:45
wxl#action tsimonq2 will make a blueprint for lxqt testcases19:46
meetingologyACTION: tsimonq2 will make a blueprint for lxqt testcases19:46
wxl#action wxl will edit the RaspberryPi page to include clear download links19:46
meetingologyACTION: wxl will edit the RaspberryPi page to include clear download links19:46
wxl#action redwolf will include the RaspberryPi download link(s) to the lubuntu.me website19:46
meetingologyACTION: redwolf will include the RaspberryPi download link(s) to the lubuntu.me website19:46
redwolfO.O!19:46
wxl:)19:46
wxlonly one other thning i wanted to add is some new information that passed by the lubuntu-devel mailing list: we're now on the ubuntu downloads page!19:47
tsimonq2#action Trusty needs testing in the upcoming week for the point release, tsimonq2 will definitely test19:47
meetingologyACTION: Trusty needs testing in the upcoming week for the point release, tsimonq2 will definitely test19:47
tsimonq2ysy19:47
tsimonq2s/s/a/19:47
wxlsee "ubuntu flavors" at http://www.ubuntu.com/download19:47
wxlthis takes you to http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu-flavours19:47
wxlit's got kind of random ordering19:48
tsimonq2#action tsimonq2 will send an email to lubuntu-devel about the QA testcases19:48
meetingologyACTION: tsimonq2 will send an email to lubuntu-devel about the QA testcases19:48
* tsimonq2 is done with #action for now :)19:48
wxlthere's a bug to get that ordered19:48
wxlmost likely alphabetical19:48
wxlthat's this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website-content/+bug/154378319:48
ubot93Launchpad bug 1543783 in ubuntu-website-content "Order flavours on flavour download page alphabetically" [Undecided,New]19:48
wxli also filed one to get the right website linked https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website-content/+bug/154384219:49
ubot93Launchpad bug 1543842 in ubuntu-website-content "change link to Lubuntu on flavor downloads page to lubuntu.me" [Undecided,Confirmed]19:49
* tsimonq2 has to take off in < 7 minutes19:49
tsimonq2oh okay19:49
wxli also checked around to make sure we don't still have any lubuntu.net references and couldn't find any so not sure what's up with that19:49
wxlthat's it for me19:49
wxl#topic donation area19:50
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wxlwith phillw not being here, i'm going to speak for him19:50
wxli know we're still waiting on the gosh darned paperwork19:50
phillwo/19:50
wxloh!19:50
wxlhai phillw19:50
wxlwant to take over?19:50
tsimonq2hey it's phillw!19:50
phillwfed!!!19:50
* wxl pats phillw's distended tummy :)19:50
phillwI will get copies of paperwork emailed out this week.19:51
wxlso if all goes well, maybe we'll have a donation area before the end of the month???19:51
phillwBy Release time :)19:52
tsimonq2if you don't mind me asking, what exactly is the purpose of the donation area?19:52
wxlhehe yay! that would be great!19:52
tsimonq2where do the funds go?19:52
tsimonq2(my question is the latter)19:52
phillwSomeone needs to give Julien a dig, he's had his paperwork for a while after the 1st batch was lost in the post.19:52
wxltsimonq2: they'll go to various and sundry needs of the lubuntu team, since we don't directly get any community donations funding19:53
wxlphillw: may i nominate you for that task?19:53
tsimonq2wxl: example?19:53
wxltsimonq2: buying and shipping ppc machines to testers :)19:53
tsimonq2wxl: orrrr shipping Raspberry Pis to eager testers? XD19:54
phillwwxl: I'll look out for him, although redwolf tends to speak more often.... basically next one who sees him - remind him!19:54
wxltsimonq2: don't get too excited19:54
redwolfok19:54
wxl#action redwolf phillw and/or wxl to have Julien send on his paperwork for the donation area19:54
meetingologyACTION: redwolf phillw and/or wxl to have Julien send on his paperwork for the donation area19:54
wxlanything else on the donation area?19:54
* tsimonq2 remains silent19:55
phillwI'll email redwolf our constitution, even though not launched, it can be news on lubuntu.me19:55
* tsimonq2 has to jet, bye guys!19:55
wxlthat'd be fab!19:55
wxlbai tsimonq2 thanks again19:55
redwolfo/ tsimonq219:56
wxl#action phillw to give redwolf our constitution (re: donations) to get up on lubuntu.me19:56
meetingologyACTION: phillw to give redwolf our constitution (re: donations) to get up on lubuntu.me19:56
redwolfyes, we have a blog ;)19:56
wxlhehe19:56
wxlok my co-worker is getting hungry so i'll move this along19:56
wxlwe don't have anyone to talk on lxqt so i'm going to just move on from that topic19:56
wxlaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand nio is not around either19:57
phillwhttp://phillw.net/LubuntuConstitution.txt19:57
phillwredwolf: that okay for you?19:57
redwolfyes! I'll re-format that19:58
redwolfno need for signatures and dates and stuff publicly!19:58
phillwredwolf: the sigs bit was for if bank needed it signing. They did not :P19:59
redwolfokies. I will prepare a "nice-looking" page19:59
wxl#topic anything else20:00
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wxlanything else anyone?20:00
phillwredwolf: as it is news - remember s/has been opened/ is being opened/ :D20:00
wxlartwork news redwolf ?20:00
redwolfno20:00
wxlyes there is20:01
wxl:)20:01
redwolfreally?20:01
redwolfplease, refresh my memory20:01
wxlisn't there some new stuff in the Lenny family?20:01
redwolfoh yes!! I have a new practice designer :)20:01
wxlwell that20:02
wxlbut don't we have a borg????20:02
wxland potatoes20:02
wxl:)20:02
redwolfyes, but everybody saw that :) (I think)20:02
wxloh20:02
wxlwell i didn't think they did20:02
wxlnot everyone subscribes to that page and it's not easy to find20:02
redwolfphillw already told me we have to promote that wiki page a bit more20:03
wxlgive us the link then!20:03
redwolfLenny's? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Marketing/Lenny20:03
wxlyay Lennys!20:03
wxlare we going to have a squirrel?20:04
* wxl ducks20:04
phillwwe will need one... ish20:04
redwolfof course ;) every release mascot20:04
wxlwell20:04
wxlgood luck :)20:04
wxland on that note, i'm ready to call it quits20:04
redwolfta!20:04
phillwthanks for chairing :)20:04
wxlthanks everyone!20:05
wxl#endmeeting20:05
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meetingologyMeeting ended Wed Feb 10 20:05:18 2016 UTC.20:05
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/lubuntu-devel/2016/lubuntu-devel.2016-02-10-19.15.moin.txt20:05
redwolfkudos to the chairman!20:05
wxland on that note, off to lunch :)20:05
redwolfYES!!20:05
phillwenjoy20:05
redwolfwhen starts the meeting?  o__o20:06
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MrBIOSwxl: dafuq is “HWE stack"20:18
MrBIOSyay for useless acronyms20:19
phillwHardWare Enabled20:19
MrBIOSand what, pray tell, does that actually mean?20:20
phillwMrBIOS: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/1204_HWE_EOL20:21
MrBIOSgot it, thanks :)20:22
phillwMrBIOS: I've sent an email out. I hadn't got as far as reading as I only just made the end of meeting after evening meal.20:32
MrBIOSthanks :)20:38
saeronquit20:59
saeronops20:59
redwolfO.O20:59
* ianorlin slept throught the meeting :(21:01
phillwianorlin: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/lubuntu-devel/2016/lubuntu-devel.2016-02-10-19.15.moin.txt21:03
redwolflots of task for the wolf! grunt!21:03
phillwredwolf: I've two sets of release notes to prep up and the 14.04 wiki page to +1 for the point release.21:08
redwolf:|21:09
tsimonq2phillw: I'll help on Monday with .4 release notes if needed21:09
phillwtsimonq2: I'll draft them up same as usual. As wxl said, task #1 is to check bug status of the ones from .3 release.21:10
tsimonq2phillw: also on my Monday agenda XD21:11
tsimonq2redwolf: PLEASE incorporate a Xerus into the next wallpaper somehow XD21:12
redwolfnope21:12
redwolfno mascots or logos21:12
phillwhe he :P21:12
tsimonq2aww :P21:12
redwolfit's the law!21:12
redwolf.__.21:12
tsimonq2O___O huh?!?!?21:13
redwolf<nazi_mode> my law </nazi_mode>21:13
tsimonq2XD21:13
redwolf.__.21:14
wxlMrBIOS: HWE = Hard Ware Enablement. tl;dr kernel updates XD21:35
phillwwxl: read the email :P21:35
phillwwxl: ahh, goodie.. I have a couple of days to prepare up the new task section on the pre-post area at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/PrePostReleaseTODO#Notes_for_Step_Release for it to reflect what is needed for a step release.21:42
=== MrBIOS_ is now known as MrBIOS
ianorlinwxl do you know if LXQt should have its own folder in ubuntu-manual-tests in the version control?23:38
wxlianorlin: that should be one of the things that tsimonq2 is working on. please check with him23:39
ianorlinah ok I may want to write run for lxqt-runner23:39
tsimonq2o/ ianorlin let's talk in #phillw23:40
tsimonq2unless you want to talk here23:40

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