[12:37] <tsimonq2> wxl: what's the plan for 14.04.4?
[12:37] <phillw> desktop ones get tested once they go into 'test'
[18:13] <tsimonq2> phillw: which is why I asked our QA manager :)
[18:15] <phillw> tsimonq2: he already answered it in the recent email he sent out :)
[18:16] <tsimonq2> phillw: oh well I guess I should check that, sorry XD
[18:16] <tsimonq2> phillw: yeah I'm not seeing anything :/
[18:58] <tsimonq2> o/ I'm ready for the meeting
[18:58] <wxl> we might be it XD
[18:58] <wxl> i think i'll hang around for a while
[18:58] <tsimonq2> yeah lol
[19:03]  * tsimonq2 hands teward a cup of coffee while he waits for the meeting to start
[19:05] <redwolf> o.o
[19:05] <redwolf> my body is ready
[19:05] <tsimonq2> 0_____0
[19:05] <redwolf> for the meeting   o__o
[19:06] <tsimonq2> oh :P XD
[19:06]  * teward locks redwolf and tsimonq2 into a small room
[19:06] <wxl> well that's one more
[19:07]  * wxl wonders if phillw is going to come
[19:07]  * teward wonders if evil is nigh
[19:07] <teward> anyways
[19:07] <tsimonq2> lel o/
[19:07]  * teward is having issues with the ISOs, believes latest kernel update to host OS is at fault :P
[19:07]  * teward disappears
[19:09] <redwolf> zzzzzz...
[19:09] <tsimonq2> yeah wxl, when's the meeting gonna start? XD
[19:10] <wxl> when i know there's more than two people
[19:10] <wxl> unless you wish to talk to yourself
[19:10]  * redwolf downloads... things... in the meanwhile
[19:10] <tsimonq2> O______O
[19:10] <tsimonq2> wxl: this is why email reminders should be more then 10 mintes beforehand! :P
[19:11] <wxl> tsimonq2: i nominate you as secretary then
[19:11] <redwolf> O.O!
[19:11] <tsimonq2> wxl: sure
[19:11]  * tsimonq2 sets up an automated system to do this automatically
[19:11] <redwolf> like those porn secretaries with short skirts and big fake glasses, licking a pencil?
[19:11] <tsimonq2> O____O
[19:12] <saeron> hi
[19:13] <redwolf> o/ saeron
[19:13] <saeron> ?
[19:13] <wxl> hi saeron. here for the meeing?
[19:13] <tsimonq2> saeron: greetings!
[19:13] <saeron> yes
[19:13] <saeron> i think
[19:13] <saeron> xd
[19:13] <wxl> we'll get going in a bit
[19:13] <wxl> waiting for people to show up :)
[19:13] <saeron> ok
[19:14] <wxl> well it's been long enough
[19:14] <tsimonq2> +1
[19:14] <wxl> i guess i'm just going to go ahead
[19:15] <wxl> #startmeeting Lubuntu 10 February 2016 19:00 UTC meeting
[19:15] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Feb 10 19:15:04 2016 UTC.  The chair is wxl. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[19:15] <wxl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda is our agenda
[19:15] <wxl> i know that tsimonq2 is anxious to get started on his topic so i'll let him go first
[19:16] <wxl> #topic Test cases for Lubuntu
[19:16] <tsimonq2> ooh yay
[19:16] <tsimonq2> okay, so as you all know we have atest cases for Lubuntu on iso.qa.ubuntu.com and packages.qa.ubuntu.com
[19:16] <tsimonq2> to generate the test cases they have to be manually written out
[19:16] <wxl> not as we *all* know, but some of us, yes
[19:17] <tsimonq2> wxl: well yeah :D
[19:17] <tsimonq2> so anyeays
[19:17] <wxl> for those that don't know, it's a qa tool for testing to ensure that our testing process is the same for every test
[19:17] <tsimonq2> *anyways
[19:17] <tsimonq2> (this is why wxl going first with QA would have been best XD)
[19:18] <tsimonq2> anyways, so I wanted to bring this up because I have been recently been getting into writing test cases. Basically, if you are looking at the tracker and you feel that a test for an application would be nice, speak up, because I would like to benefit Lubuntu by making more test cases
[19:19] <thsefdhefgsethfs> o/
[19:19] <tsimonq2> (sorry for the weird wording this is just on the spot)
[19:19] <wxl> hai noah XD
[19:19] <tsimonq2> thsefdhefgsethfs: question? XD
[19:20] <tsimonq2> so anyways, I am asking the general Lubuntu people if more test cases are needed
[19:20] <tsimonq2> and I will make them happen
[19:21]  * tsimonq2 is cringing at his weird wording XD
[19:21] <redwolf> ...
[19:21] <wxl> we definitely need LXQt testcases
[19:21] <wxl> we should start with the main LXQt components and then add apps as we finally decide on them
[19:21] <tsimonq2> I agree
[19:21] <redwolf> +1
[19:21] <tsimonq2> is there a list somewhere, wxl?
[19:21] <wxl> git.lxde.org :)
[19:22] <wxl> or you could just use the wiki page that talks about installing lxqt
[19:22] <wxl> since it has a list of packages
[19:22] <tsimonq2> wxl: for people who don't know, where's that?
[19:22] <wxl> but one package may specify multiple deliverables so perhaps it'd be best to start with the upstream page i mentioned
[19:22] <wxl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/LXQt
[19:22] <tsimonq2> because I could get a fresh VM or something and use that to test
[19:22] <tsimonq2> oh okay
[19:23] <tsimonq2> wxl: what do you mean by multiple deliverables?
[19:23] <wxl> multiple commands/programs/etc
[19:23] <tsimonq2> ahh okay
[19:24] <tsimonq2> wxl: I'm just curious as to what's LXDE and what's LXQt on that upstream link you sent me
[19:25] <wxl> lxde components are at the bottom
[19:25] <wxl> EVERYTHING is lxqt now
[19:25] <tsimonq2> oic the LXDE-only packages are on the bottom with deprecated or whatever that is
[19:25] <tsimonq2> gotcha
[19:26] <wxl> they're not deprecated, but they're not the main focus of the lxde team
[19:26] <tsimonq2> ahh makes sense
[19:26] <wxl> it's been made clear to me that lxde will continue, albeit without the support of the entire lxde team
[19:26] <redwolf> yes
[19:26] <tsimonq2> so I'll get at least merge proposals for the LXQt test cases, maybe I might even create a folder in the testcase dir
[19:26] <tsimonq2> wxl: makes sense :)
[19:27] <wxl> keep the lubuntu-devel mailing list informed about progress
[19:27] <wxl> you might want to make a blueprint to track progress
[19:27] <tsimonq2> is there anywhere I should document the merge proposals/testcases I write for LXQt, sort of a todo list, or should I just crank it out on my own tools?
[19:27] <tsimonq2> yeah I'll do that
[19:28] <wxl> yep :)
[19:28] <tsimonq2> nvm on the former
[19:28] <tsimonq2> so I'll create a blueprint and I'll meail the lubuntu-devel list about that
[19:28] <tsimonq2> also
[19:28] <wxl> yep
[19:29] <tsimonq2> because we still support LXDE even for the LTS, I was wondering if any should be updated
[19:29] <tsimonq2> so, I'll email lubuntu-devel, but I was wondering if any need updating
[19:29] <wxl> the testcases for lxde?
[19:29] <tsimonq2> yes
[19:29] <tsimonq2> on packages.qa.ubuntu.com
[19:30] <wxl> none that i know of but it's worth auditing
[19:30] <tsimonq2> so just keep your eyes out for any testcases that need improving, file a bug, and don't be afraid to assign me andor email me at tsimonq2@ubuntu.com
[19:31] <tsimonq2> *and/or
[19:31] <wxl> okie dokie
[19:31] <wxl> thanks for your help with the testcases, tsimonq2
[19:31] <tsimonq2> no problem
[19:31] <tsimonq2> any questions/comments/concerns, let me know at tsimonq2@ubuntu.com
[19:31] <tsimonq2> I'll email the list in a few hours
[19:31] <wxl> ok i guess i'll start on my topic then unless people have questions or antyhing
[19:31]  * tsimonq2 is done with what he has to say
[19:32] <wxl> #topic QA
[19:32] <wxl> i'll keep this brief as i have emailed the lubuntu-devel list about it
[19:32] <wxl> current focus should be on smoke testing trusty daily images
[19:32] <wxl> the current plan (changed again) is to release on the 18th
[19:33] <wxl> we should have images to test on the tuesday before, if not sooner
[19:33] <wxl> until then, we should just run through the dailies and see if there are any big problems
[19:33] <wxl> as per the past few point releases we have done, there will be no alternates and no amd64+mac image (though they were released with the original trusty)
[19:34] <wxl> it would always be good to go through old bugs on the release notes and see if any of those bugs are fixed or not and if so mark them as such on the wiki
[19:34] <tsimonq2> okay, *my* plan is to confirm bugs for the release notes on Monday night, then if we have images, test those (I would do this over the weekend but dad is taking us to the dells :D)
[19:34] <wxl> i know tsimonq2 and i and others all have plans of doing so, but the more eyes on it the better
[19:34] <tsimonq2> (sorry for interrupting :) )
[19:34] <wxl> np you just repeated me anyways :)
[19:35] <tsimonq2> :D
[19:35] <wxl> next focus will be on xenial daily images
[19:35] <wxl> we are (i've confirmed this) doing releases back to back
[19:35] <wxl> so the release of xenial beta 1 will be the week right after trusty 14.04.4
[19:35] <wxl> so no rest for the wicked! keep on testing!
[19:36] <tsimonq2> time providing, that will go on my Monday agenda as well
[19:36] <tsimonq2> wxl: when can we expect images?
[19:36] <wxl> same philosophy as with trusty applies: smoketest for obvious problems before the milestone, look for bugs that are fixed
[19:36] <wxl> tsimonq2: releases are (usually) always thursday and we (usually) always have images the tuesday before
[19:37] <wxl> so since we'll release beta1 on the 25th, the milestone images will be available on the 23rd
[19:37] <wxl> this is covered in the testing wiki page
[19:37] <wxl> which i admit is a bit long, but there's a lot of really valuable info there
[19:38] <wxl> beyond that exploratory testing of lxqt and/or the raspberry pi2 images is always welcome
[19:38] <wxl> i linked the lxqt page before
[19:38] <tsimonq2> and a note, if you are looking to get into QA but don't know how, you can find us here :)
[19:38] <tsimonq2> or the Testing page
[19:38] <tsimonq2> (which wxl has yet to link :) )
[19:38] <wxl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing
[19:39] <wxl> and here';s the raspberry pi page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/RaspberryPi
[19:39] <tsimonq2> we are always looking for more help, so if you haven't looked into QA, it's pretty easy :)
[19:39] <wxl> i'd like to figure out a way to get an image for the original Raspberry Pi, but that's kind of way at the bottom of my list so don't anyone get too excited :)
[19:39] <wxl> oh!
[19:40] <redwolf> will be able to provide a download link for that machine?
[19:40] <wxl> and just a reminder that we only release PPC images in LTS and both xenial and trusty are LTSs so if you have the hardware or know anyone that does test test test
[19:40] <wxl> i still have machines to send out to people
[19:40]  * tsimonq2 notes that if he got a Raspberry Pi, this would be a lot quicker, and people could expect it sooner :)
[19:40]  * wxl hangs his head out in shame
[19:40] <wxl> tsimonq2: well, there is some serious work involved, me thinks
[19:41] <wxl> redwolf: that machine, meaning the original Pi?
[19:41] <redwolf> no, the Pi2, adding the ISO download to the others
[19:41] <tsimonq2> wxl: If it runs with Debian, I can figre it out :D
[19:41] <tsimonq2> s/figre/figure/
[19:41] <wxl> redwolf: an iso is not relevant to the Pi2 unfortunately
[19:41] <wxl> redwolf: but if you follow the link downloadable images are available
[19:42] <wxl> although reading it now it's not clear
[19:42] <redwolf> sorry, let me explain. the same way we provide at lubuntu.me (and still in lubuntu.net) downloads for all machines in several versions, another link to the Pi2 one
[19:42] <redwolf> kinda official
[19:42] <tsimonq2> =1
[19:42] <wxl> yeah but only kinda official
[19:42] <tsimonq2> s/=/+/
[19:42] <wxl> this is a community supported thing in a way beyond that of ppc
[19:43] <wxl> which is to say we're not using canonical's build hardware to pump out the images
[19:43] <redwolf> mhm
[19:43] <wxl> so we have to link outside the normal canonical world
[19:43] <wxl> but that's no problem. sure we can!
[19:43] <redwolf> okies :)
[19:43]  * tsimonq2 would like that
[19:44] <wxl> i think phillw is hosting the images outside of the torrents available on the ubuntu flavor maker page
[19:44] <redwolf> aye
[19:44] <wxl> it's here
[19:44] <wxl> http://phillw.net/isos/lubuntu/wily/
[19:44] <tsimonq2> wxl: and if it's just a imple process and the source code is available, I might find a way to automate it, then we could throw it on a server :D
[19:45] <wxl> tsimonq2: yeah i need to talk to flexiondotorg_ about it
[19:45] <wxl> redwolf: you want to take care of linking it on the website?
[19:45] <tsimonq2> wxl: but Canonical hosting would be awesome
[19:45] <redwolf> I will, yes :)
[19:45] <wxl> tsimonq2: it's NOT going to happen
[19:45] <wxl> oh!
[19:45] <tsimonq2> wxl: just curious, why not?
[19:46] <wxl> #action tsimonq2 will make a blueprint for lxqt testcases
[19:46] <meetingology> ACTION: tsimonq2 will make a blueprint for lxqt testcases
[19:46] <wxl> #action wxl will edit the RaspberryPi page to include clear download links
[19:46] <meetingology> ACTION: wxl will edit the RaspberryPi page to include clear download links
[19:46] <wxl> #action redwolf will include the RaspberryPi download link(s) to the lubuntu.me website
[19:46] <meetingology> ACTION: redwolf will include the RaspberryPi download link(s) to the lubuntu.me website
[19:46] <redwolf> O.O!
[19:46] <wxl> :)
[19:47] <wxl> only one other thning i wanted to add is some new information that passed by the lubuntu-devel mailing list: we're now on the ubuntu downloads page!
[19:47] <tsimonq2> #action Trusty needs testing in the upcoming week for the point release, tsimonq2 will definitely test
[19:47] <meetingology> ACTION: Trusty needs testing in the upcoming week for the point release, tsimonq2 will definitely test
[19:47] <tsimonq2> ysy
[19:47] <tsimonq2> s/s/a/
[19:47] <wxl> see "ubuntu flavors" at http://www.ubuntu.com/download
[19:47] <wxl> this takes you to http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu-flavours
[19:48] <wxl> it's got kind of random ordering
[19:48] <tsimonq2> #action tsimonq2 will send an email to lubuntu-devel about the QA testcases
[19:48] <meetingology> ACTION: tsimonq2 will send an email to lubuntu-devel about the QA testcases
[19:48]  * tsimonq2 is done with #action for now :)
[19:48] <wxl> there's a bug to get that ordered
[19:48] <wxl> most likely alphabetical
[19:48] <wxl> that's this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website-content/+bug/1543783
[19:49] <wxl> i also filed one to get the right website linked https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website-content/+bug/1543842
[19:49]  * tsimonq2 has to take off in < 7 minutes
[19:49] <tsimonq2> oh okay
[19:49] <wxl> i also checked around to make sure we don't still have any lubuntu.net references and couldn't find any so not sure what's up with that
[19:49] <wxl> that's it for me
[19:50] <wxl> #topic donation area
[19:50] <wxl> with phillw not being here, i'm going to speak for him
[19:50] <wxl> i know we're still waiting on the gosh darned paperwork
[19:50] <phillw> o/
[19:50] <wxl> oh!
[19:50] <wxl> hai phillw
[19:50] <wxl> want to take over?
[19:50] <tsimonq2> hey it's phillw!
[19:50] <phillw> fed!!!
[19:50]  * wxl pats phillw's distended tummy :)
[19:51] <phillw> I will get copies of paperwork emailed out this week.
[19:51] <wxl> so if all goes well, maybe we'll have a donation area before the end of the month???
[19:52] <phillw> By Release time :)
[19:52] <tsimonq2> if you don't mind me asking, what exactly is the purpose of the donation area?
[19:52] <wxl> hehe yay! that would be great!
[19:52] <tsimonq2> where do the funds go?
[19:52] <tsimonq2> (my question is the latter)
[19:52] <phillw> Someone needs to give Julien a dig, he's had his paperwork for a while after the 1st batch was lost in the post.
[19:53] <wxl> tsimonq2: they'll go to various and sundry needs of the lubuntu team, since we don't directly get any community donations funding
[19:53] <wxl> phillw: may i nominate you for that task?
[19:53] <tsimonq2> wxl: example?
[19:53] <wxl> tsimonq2: buying and shipping ppc machines to testers :)
[19:54] <tsimonq2> wxl: orrrr shipping Raspberry Pis to eager testers? XD
[19:54] <phillw> wxl: I'll look out for him, although redwolf tends to speak more often.... basically next one who sees him - remind him!
[19:54] <wxl> tsimonq2: don't get too excited
[19:54] <redwolf> ok
[19:54] <wxl> #action redwolf phillw and/or wxl to have Julien send on his paperwork for the donation area
[19:54] <meetingology> ACTION: redwolf phillw and/or wxl to have Julien send on his paperwork for the donation area
[19:54] <wxl> anything else on the donation area?
[19:55]  * tsimonq2 remains silent
[19:55] <phillw> I'll email redwolf our constitution, even though not launched, it can be news on lubuntu.me
[19:55]  * tsimonq2 has to jet, bye guys!
[19:55] <wxl> that'd be fab!
[19:55] <wxl> bai tsimonq2 thanks again
[19:56] <redwolf> o/ tsimonq2
[19:56] <wxl> #action phillw to give redwolf our constitution (re: donations) to get up on lubuntu.me
[19:56] <meetingology> ACTION: phillw to give redwolf our constitution (re: donations) to get up on lubuntu.me
[19:56] <redwolf> yes, we have a blog ;)
[19:56] <wxl> hehe
[19:56] <wxl> ok my co-worker is getting hungry so i'll move this along
[19:56] <wxl> we don't have anyone to talk on lxqt so i'm going to just move on from that topic
[19:57] <wxl> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand nio is not around either
[19:57] <phillw> http://phillw.net/LubuntuConstitution.txt
[19:57] <phillw> redwolf: that okay for you?
[19:58] <redwolf> yes! I'll re-format that
[19:58] <redwolf> no need for signatures and dates and stuff publicly!
[19:59] <phillw> redwolf: the sigs bit was for if bank needed it signing. They did not :P
[19:59] <redwolf> okies. I will prepare a "nice-looking" page
[20:00] <wxl> #topic anything else
[20:00] <wxl> anything else anyone?
[20:00] <phillw> redwolf: as it is news - remember s/has been opened/ is being opened/ :D
[20:00] <wxl> artwork news redwolf ?
[20:00] <redwolf> no
[20:01] <wxl> yes there is
[20:01] <wxl> :)
[20:01] <redwolf> really?
[20:01] <redwolf> please, refresh my memory
[20:01] <wxl> isn't there some new stuff in the Lenny family?
[20:01] <redwolf> oh yes!! I have a new practice designer :)
[20:02] <wxl> well that
[20:02] <wxl> but don't we have a borg????
[20:02] <wxl> and potatoes
[20:02] <wxl> :)
[20:02] <redwolf> yes, but everybody saw that :) (I think)
[20:02] <wxl> oh
[20:02] <wxl> well i didn't think they did
[20:02] <wxl> not everyone subscribes to that page and it's not easy to find
[20:03] <redwolf> phillw already told me we have to promote that wiki page a bit more
[20:03] <wxl> give us the link then!
[20:03] <redwolf> Lenny's? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Marketing/Lenny
[20:03] <wxl> yay Lennys!
[20:04] <wxl> are we going to have a squirrel?
[20:04]  * wxl ducks
[20:04] <phillw> we will need one... ish
[20:04] <redwolf> of course ;) every release mascot
[20:04] <wxl> well
[20:04] <wxl> good luck :)
[20:04] <wxl> and on that note, i'm ready to call it quits
[20:04] <redwolf> ta!
[20:04] <phillw> thanks for chairing :)
[20:05] <wxl> thanks everyone!
[20:05] <wxl> #endmeeting
[20:05] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Feb 10 20:05:18 2016 UTC.
[20:05] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/lubuntu-devel/2016/lubuntu-devel.2016-02-10-19.15.moin.txt
[20:05] <redwolf> kudos to the chairman!
[20:05] <wxl> and on that note, off to lunch :)
[20:05] <redwolf> YES!!
[20:05] <phillw> enjoy
[20:06] <redwolf> when starts the meeting?  o__o
[20:18] <MrBIOS> wxl: dafuq is “HWE stack"
[20:19] <MrBIOS> yay for useless acronyms
[20:19] <phillw> HardWare Enabled
[20:20] <MrBIOS> and what, pray tell, does that actually mean?
[20:21] <phillw> MrBIOS: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/1204_HWE_EOL
[20:22] <MrBIOS> got it, thanks :)
[20:32] <phillw> MrBIOS: I've sent an email out. I hadn't got as far as reading as I only just made the end of meeting after evening meal.
[20:38] <MrBIOS> thanks :)
[20:59] <saeron> quit
[20:59] <saeron> ops
[20:59] <redwolf> O.O
[21:01]  * ianorlin slept throught the meeting :(
[21:03] <phillw> ianorlin: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/lubuntu-devel/2016/lubuntu-devel.2016-02-10-19.15.moin.txt
[21:03] <redwolf> lots of task for the wolf! grunt!
[21:08] <phillw> redwolf: I've two sets of release notes to prep up and the 14.04 wiki page to +1 for the point release.
[21:09] <redwolf> :|
[21:09] <tsimonq2> phillw: I'll help on Monday with .4 release notes if needed
[21:10] <phillw> tsimonq2: I'll draft them up same as usual. As wxl said, task #1 is to check bug status of the ones from .3 release.
[21:11] <tsimonq2> phillw: also on my Monday agenda XD
[21:12] <tsimonq2> redwolf: PLEASE incorporate a Xerus into the next wallpaper somehow XD
[21:12] <redwolf> nope
[21:12] <redwolf> no mascots or logos
[21:12] <phillw> he he :P
[21:12] <tsimonq2> aww :P
[21:12] <redwolf> it's the law!
[21:12] <redwolf> .__.
[21:13] <tsimonq2> O___O huh?!?!?
 my law </nazi_mode>
[21:13] <tsimonq2> XD
[21:14] <redwolf> .__.
[21:35] <wxl> MrBIOS: HWE = Hard Ware Enablement. tl;dr kernel updates XD
[21:35] <phillw> wxl: read the email :P
[21:42] <phillw> wxl: ahh, goodie.. I have a couple of days to prepare up the new task section on the pre-post area at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/PrePostReleaseTODO#Notes_for_Step_Release for it to reflect what is needed for a step release.
[23:38] <ianorlin> wxl do you know if LXQt should have its own folder in ubuntu-manual-tests in the version control?
[23:39] <wxl> ianorlin: that should be one of the things that tsimonq2 is working on. please check with him
[23:39] <ianorlin> ah ok I may want to write run for lxqt-runner
[23:40] <tsimonq2> o/ ianorlin let's talk in #phillw
[23:40] <tsimonq2> unless you want to talk here