[05:49] <hikiko> hi
[06:41] <pitti> Good morning
[06:55] <didrocks> good morning!
[06:57] <pitti> bonjour didrocks !
[06:58] <didrocks> hey pitti
[07:44] <larsu> good morning!
[07:46] <pitti> hey larsu!
[07:46] <larsu> morgen pitti!
[08:01] <didrocks> hey larsu!
[08:01] <larsu> bonjour didrocks!
[08:06] <desrt> happy 9am CEST, everyone!
[08:06]  * desrt parties
[08:06] <larsu> haha
[08:06] <larsu> morning desrt
[08:07] <desrt> hello larsu!
[08:07] <desrt> and everyone else at the party :)
[08:08]  * desrt would also like to give a special mention to the coffee machine, for being so lovely
[08:14] <didrocks> good morning desrt
[08:29] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:30] <seb128> hey larsu pitti didrocks desrt
[08:30] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[08:34] <zzarr> hello!
[08:34] <didrocks> salut seb128, ça va ?
[08:34] <seb128> didrocks, ouais, et toi ?
[08:34] <seb128> zzarr, hey
[08:35] <zzarr> I get an error trying to connect to WiFi networks from lightdm, "(32) Incufficient privileges"
[08:35] <zzarr> seb128, :-)
[08:36] <zzarr> I installed the system with the help of debootstrap so I suspect I'm missing some settings
[08:36] <seb128> zzarr, try #ubuntu for user questions
[08:36]  * duflu just learned what he should already know
[08:37] <seb128> hey duflu
[08:37] <duflu> seb128: Morning
[08:37] <zzarr> seb128, duflu sent me here ;-)
[08:37] <duflu> Yeah
[08:37] <seb128> zzarr, but that's normal afaik, the greeter has limited privileges to avoid having non auth users to be able to do too much on the system
[08:37] <zzarr> no problem, I'll ask in #ubuntu instead
[08:38] <duflu> Oh, so the system needs to learn about the network first inside a login
[08:38] <seb128> yes
[08:38] <didrocks> seb128: ça va :)
[08:38] <seb128> zzarr, duflu, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-greeter-team/unity-greeter/trunk/view/head:/debian/unity-greeter.pkla
[08:39] <duflu> Yep, as designed
[08:39] <zzarr> I'll have a look, thanks
[08:42] <zzarr> seb128, is that ini file found on the system anywhere?
[08:42] <seb128> zzarr, dpkg -S <filename>
[08:42] <seb128> usually replies to that question
[08:42] <seb128> unity-greeter: /var/lib/polkit-1/localauthority/10-vendor.d/unity-greeter.pkla
[08:42] <zzarr> seb128, okey, nice to know
[08:43] <zzarr> I'll have a look what it says on my system
[08:47] <zzarr> seb128, it looks the same to me
[08:48] <seb128> zzarr, why would it be different?
[08:48] <zzarr> seb128, I don't know, but I checked in case
[08:56] <zzarr> seb128, is there a command to connect to WiFi from console?
[08:57] <seb128> zzarr, nmcli
[08:57] <zzarr> thanks
[08:57] <seb128> zzarr, http://askubuntu.com/questions/377687/how-do-i-connect-to-a-wifi-network-using-nmcli
[08:58] <zzarr> thanks seb128
[08:58] <seb128> yw!
[09:01] <Laney> hey hey
[09:01] <willcooke> g'mornin'
[09:02] <willcooke> morning Laney
[09:02] <seb128> hey u.k people
[09:02] <seb128> how is your island today?
[09:02] <willcooke> what up seb128
[09:02] <Laney> hey willcooke seb128
[09:02] <willcooke> actually not too bad
[09:02] <Laney> it's sunny
[09:02] <seb128> we have sun here this morning!
[09:02] <Laney> looks good!
[09:02] <seb128> haha
[09:02]  * seb128 ^5 Laney
[09:02] <flocculant> Laney has now broken that and the rain will be back later
[09:03] <Laney> oh noes
[09:04] <zzarr> seb128, the step where it says "To list WiFi networks" don't work
[09:04] <zzarr> it complaints that there is no list option
[09:04] <seb128> I think nmcli changed syntax
[09:05] <zzarr> okey
[09:05] <seb128> zzarr, try nmcli d wifi
[09:05] <Laney> nmcli dev wifi list ifname wlan0
[09:05] <zzarr> seb128, okey, I'll do
[09:06] <seb128> or what Laney says
[09:06] <seb128> dunno the difference
[09:06] <Laney> don't you just love nmcli's interface?!?!?!
[09:06] <zzarr> thanks seb128 that worked
[09:06] <didrocks> good morning Laney, willcooke
[09:06] <Laney> hey didrocks!
[09:07] <willcooke> hey didrocks!  How's your market?
[09:07] <didrocks> willcooke: busy market place! but good, thanks! :)
[09:07] <willcooke> didrocks, I see that a community guy might pick up Fritzing \o/
[09:08] <didrocks> willcooke: it's the one with commit rights :)
[09:08] <willcooke> didrocks, that guy rocks!
[09:08] <willcooke> seb128, X tests:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/15002882/ <-- no failures on Xorg though. :/
[09:08] <didrocks> yeah, he really does :)
[09:08] <seb128> Laney, can you help me with that maybe? is there anything keeping appstream in main? http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.html lists it as "binary to demote", I'm wondering why it's not "source & binary"
[09:12] <willcooke> tjaalton, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=813610  <--- fixed!  Thank you!
[09:12] <ubot5`> Debian bug 813610 in xf86-video-omap "Please update to 0.4.4" [Wishlist,Fixed]
[09:13] <Laney> seb128: the source is in universe already
[09:13] <Laney> don't ask me!
[09:13] <seb128> lol, ok
[09:13]  * seb128 demotes the binary
[09:13] <tjaalton> willcooke: yeah, seems it got synced too
[09:13]  * Laney has not the power
[09:13] <seb128> so gcab can build
[09:13] <seb128> can unblock gnome-software in universe
[09:13] <seb128> until we get the MIR resolved
[09:16] <willcooke> tjaalton, can I mark that bug as fixed release?>
[09:16] <willcooke> (the Ubuntu one)
[09:16] <seb128> urg, no, appstream-glib can't be demoted so it's not going to fix it
[09:16] <seb128> need the security team to do that review then
[09:17] <tjaalton> willcooke: I just did
[09:17] <willcooke> tjaalton, \m/
[09:17] <willcooke> thanks
[09:17] <seb128> tjaalton, did the drivers situation get resolved yesterday?
[09:17] <tjaalton> seb128: yes, -amdgpu is in main now
[09:17] <seb128> great
[09:17] <tjaalton> so the images should be fine?
[09:18] <seb128> indeed they are
[09:18] <seb128> well the manifest is at least
[09:18] <tjaalton> cool
[09:18] <seb128> I didn't try to boot one yet
[09:18] <tjaalton> so the xserver testing is going well, and a point-release happened yesterday. I'm thinking of moving them to main repo next monday before FF
[09:21] <seb128> great
[09:24] <seb128> TheMuso, hey, I guess you saw the pulseaudio build failure?
[09:33] <seb128> TheMuso, they renamed pa_strlist_tostring to pa_strlist_to_string and 0600-droid-sync-with-upstream-for-Android-5-support-and-b.patch needs to have those changed
[09:38] <seb128> Sweet5hark, hey
[09:39] <andyrock> morning
[09:39] <Sweet5hark> seb128: moin!
[09:39] <seb128> Sweet5hark, the libreoffice autopkgtests seem grumpy with the update
[09:39] <seb128> /tmp/adt-run.GLsJeZ/build.1te/libreoffice-5.1.0~rc3/solenv/gbuild/Package.mk:81: *** Something depends on package instsetoo_native_setup which does not exist..  Stop.
[09:39] <seb128> Sweet5hark, ^ does it speak to you?
[09:39] <seb128> andyrock, hey!
[09:41] <Sweet5hark> seb128: hmmm, it tells me something in the libreoffice build system is fubared (or rather, the abuse we do with it to run the tests standalone).
[09:42] <Sweet5hark> seb128: FWIW, it does not suggest that libreoffice itself is broken (yet).
[09:42] <seb128> right
[09:43] <seb128> still it makes britney frown at it
[09:43] <Sweet5hark> seb128: for more, I'd need to get a local autopkgtest setup to see what is odd there.
[09:43] <Sweet5hark> seb128: yeah, will look into it.
[09:43] <seb128> well, one way or another we need to unblock it
[09:43] <seb128> thanks!
[09:45]  * Sweet5hark mumbles something about  "tests are for quicheeaters" and real programmers use pascal (http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/real.programmers.html)
[09:46] <seb128> :-)
[09:49] <desrt> "One can tell immediately by this comment that Nicklaus Wirth is a Quiche Eater."
[09:52] <seb128> shrug
[09:53]  * seb128 shakes fist at firefox, it crashed, used 100% cpu and now my awesome bar is less awesome/lost some history
[09:53] <seb128> I guess something in the profile got corrupted/deleted
[09:53] <seb128> it's annoying!
[09:53] <desrt> seb128: firefox has some very serious issues when the history db gets too big
[09:53] <seb128> :-(
[09:54] <desrt> i periodically sacrifice my history in order to avoid losing more important stuff like saved passwords :p
[09:56] <seb128> that is suboptimal :-/
[10:06] <Laney> oh em gee
[10:06] <Laney> we had a power cut
[10:06] <willcooke> nowai
[10:07] <Laney> I can now hear a symphony of burglar alarms
[10:07] <Laney> all across the land
[10:07] <willcooke> hah!
[10:07] <willcooke> I've never understood the logic in that
[10:08] <willcooke> presumably something like... now the burglars have reconnected the power I shall alert my owners to this probably break in
[10:08] <willcooke> or.. Ah, I am freshly switched on... let me sing you the song of my people
[10:09] <Laney> nah it was sounding when the power was off too
[10:09] <Laney> now I get to find all the shit that doesn't come up properly when power gets restored
[10:09]  * Laney stares at you, NFS mount on rpi
[10:10] <willcooke> ha
[10:10] <willcooke> starting the things in the right order is always a pain
[10:10] <Laney> systemd kindly blocked my boot waiting for it
[10:11] <Laney> now... I was actually staring at some code before this rude interruption...
[10:11] <Laney> ...
[10:11]  * Laney looks for that video of Homer playing with the squirrels
[10:12] <willcooke> :)
[10:12] <seb128> need some UPS!
[10:12] <willcooke> Laney, https://frinkiac.com/ is your friend
[10:13] <Laney> this one will do
[10:13] <Laney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsKOYQ7z9CE
[10:14] <Laney> appstream segfaults... birds... appstream segfaults... cup of tea...
[10:14] <Laney> ok I'm back in the zone
[10:16] <Laney> WTF no I'm not
[10:16]  * Laney had never put pi's external hard drive in fstab
[10:20] <pitti> seb128: ftr, chromium-browser has failed on armhf for a long time, little sense in retrying
[10:21] <seb128> pitti, can we skip it?
[10:21] <pitti> seb128: we have a force-badtest for it
[10:21] <pitti> pitti:force-badtest chromium-browser/48.0.2564.82-0ubuntu1.1222
[10:21] <seb128> thanks
[10:21] <pitti> seb128: see excuses.html "Should wait for chromium-browser 48.0.2564.82-0ubuntu1.1222 test, but forced by pitti "
[10:22] <seb128> right, I overlooked that one
[10:22] <seb128> do you get notified of every retry? ;-)
[10:22] <pitti> one of these days I need to fix britney to show the overrides right after/on the affected result
[10:22] <pitti> seb128: no, I just look at http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running.shtml#queue-xenial-armhf to see how far we are
[10:23] <seb128> I see
[10:23] <seb128> sorry for adding useless backlog
[10:23] <pitti> seb128: perl  and Qt in the silo combined have kept the armhf runners busy since Monday evening..
[10:23] <pitti> no worries
[10:23] <pitti> seb128: the armhf machines need quite a lot of handholding, so I'm looking at running regularly
[11:05] <doko> seb128, Laney: all sphinx* related packages updated, and fixed simon.
[11:05] <doko> except for unity-voice
[11:05] <doko> now, there is a problem: the vcs reads for 2014-06: Remove old energy-based VAD
[11:06] <doko> and unity-voice apparently relies on that :-/
[11:12] <Laney> doko: perhaps this is a thing that is not maintained
[11:12] <Laney> or needed
[11:12] <doko> how to find out?
[11:12] <Laney> it seems to not be on touch images
[11:12] <Laney> maybe ask sil2100
[11:12] <doko> sil2100, ^^^ you touched this last
[11:13] <sil2100> Hey, what's up?
[11:13] <doko> read backlog
[11:15] <sil2100> hm, ok, I suspect this package is no longer used, but let me double-confirm that
[11:16] <sil2100> s/used/maintained
[11:19] <doko> reverse-depends doesn't show anything for it
[11:22] <sil2100> doko: yeah, confirmed it's not used or really maintained
[11:22] <Laney> FLUSH IT
[11:23] <doko> sil2100, please could you address this at some meeting that those packages are removed? these issues cost people's time :-(
[11:23] <doko> sil2100, please file a bug report and assign it to ubuntu-archive
[11:23] <sil2100> doko: on it o/ I actually wonder why we didn't drop it when we dropped it from our touch images
[11:24] <sil2100> Thought they had some other uses for it
[12:06] <doko> sil2100, bug report?
[12:22] <sil2100> doko: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-voice/+bug/1544025
[12:22] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1544025 in unity-voice (Ubuntu) "Please remove unity-voice from the archive" [Undecided,New]
[12:25] <doko> sil2100, removed
[12:25] <sil2100> doko: thanks o/
[12:34] <seb128> doko, Laney, check with ted or pete-woods maybe? I think unity-voice was going to be used for the hud (I think it's still on futur roadmaps, just not a priority atm)
[12:35] <Laney> yeah, when that time comes it can be fixed & reuploaded
[12:35] <Laney> already talked to pete on some other channel
[12:36] <seb128> k
[12:36] <seb128> I'm not going to complain about being agressive for removals
[12:37] <seb128> usually it's the other way around, I would delete half of the universe craps but people keep saying that those might have some users and we should better fix things than remove them :p
[12:43] <doko> seb128, Sweet5hark: are you going to work on the hsqldb dep-wait?
[12:44]  * doko ducks
[12:44] <seb128> doko, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hsqldb/2.3.3+dfsg2-1 no dep-wait?
[12:44] <doko> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hsqldb1.8.0
[12:45] <doko> yes, because it's still in universe
[12:45] <seb128> I can fix that
[12:45] <doko> sure, and please all resulting component mismatches
[12:45] <seb128> thanks for pointing it out
[12:46] <doko> I assume these are the same for the two versions
[12:52]  * Sweet5hark sticks pins in his libreoffice-base voodoo doll.
[12:53] <Sweet5hark> doko: thanks for the notification.
[13:05] <willcooke> grrrrr. the big orange thing in the sky is too bright and now I'm having to close the blinds
[13:05] <ogra_> send it over here, you can have our rain
[13:05]  * willcooke goes to look for an envelope 
[13:06] <pitti> ogra_: dry and half-sunny here :)
[13:06] <ogra_> lucky you in the south
[14:43] <Sweet5hark> *grmbl*
[14:43] <Sweet5hark> toggling proposed in software updater toggles binaries, but not deb-src ...
[15:36] <seb128> Sweet5hark, did that use to work? unsure what's the logic but I would expect it to enable deb-src if you have those enabled for the main pocket
[16:09] <Sweet5hark> seb128: dunno, if it used to work. I just enabled proposed via GUI, then installed the libreoffice bins and was confused for a sec when I got libreoffice 5.0.x with apt-get source
[16:28] <dobey> Sweet5hark: pull-lp-source is your friend, btw
[16:30] <Sweet5hark> seb128: hacked the autopkgtest into submission, I think. needed some 3-line change in the bowels of the libreoffice build system
[16:32] <seb128> Sweet5hark, cool
[18:01] <davmor2> whose the best person to talk to about secureboot and it's behaviour in 16.04, more specifically how to re-enable it after the installer disabled it?
[18:02] <willcooke> davmor2, humm, I would guess foundations
[18:03] <davmor2> willcooke: thanks
[18:03] <willcooke> alrighty, g'night all
[18:15] <Sweet5hark> seb128: libreoffice_5.1.0~rc3-0ubuntu2 currently uploading to http://people.canonical.com/~bjoern/xenial/5.1.0/ and should fix the autopkgtests. no upload of libreoffice-l10n needed though. should be finished in a few minutes -- suggesting upload tomorrow though (as per "no late evening or friday uploads if possible" guideline for libreoffice)
[18:16]  * Sweet5hark is of for the day.
[18:16] <Sweet5hark> s/of/off/
[21:00] <TheMuso> seb128: Yeah, I'm on it.
[21:00] <TheMuso> Gah I always do that...
[22:00] <robert_ancell> attente, I pushed some coding style changes to the Ubuntu login dialog code
[22:22] <flocculant> robert_ancell: I've been playing with the gnome-software ppa in xubuntu - sort of, just got back to looking again - completely updated it, currently it want's (and obviously does) remove system-config-printer for me - should I report that? is that something you'd want to see reported
[22:23] <robert_ancell> flocculant, yeah, please report that
[22:23] <flocculant> ack
[22:26] <flocculant> robert_ancell: given it's a ppa and it won't let me ubuntu-bug - anything you want me to attach to the manual report?
[22:26] <robert_ancell> flocculant, just note in the report it's from the PPA
[22:27] <flocculant> ok
[22:30] <flocculant> bug 1544325
[22:30] <ubot5`> bug 1544325 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "Installing gnome-software removes system-config-printer" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1544325
[22:30] <flocculant> I know someone else in our team was looking I'll try and get them to confirm that
[22:33] <flocculant> I know timezone issue here - so if I can do anything - leave a ping in here perhaps and I'll see it when I get back
[22:35] <robert_ancell> flocculant, thanks
[22:50] <flocculant> robert_ancell: might actually be an issue with an old vm install and the ppa and updating/grading - someone else looked and can't confirm it - redoing mine
[22:51] <attente> robert_ancell: can we squash those commits together to make a clean patch?
[22:51] <robert_ancell> attente, I have a local branch with everything squashed together
[22:52] <robert_ancell> attente, I've never worked out the appropriate way to do this with git - do we start a new branch with a clean commit?
[22:53] <attente> robert_ancell: i've only ever done it on private/in-progress branches too
[22:53] <attente> i guess it gets hard if we start to force-push to a common remote
[22:54] <attente> maybe it's best if you maintain the clean branch after all
[22:54] <robert_ancell> attente, yeah, the force push just doesn't seem to scale beyond one developer.
[22:55] <robert_ancell> attente, So I'm putting the patches from my rebased branch onto bugzilla - you can always pick up one of those and modify it if you need it
[22:55] <robert_ancell> attente, and of course it's not impossible to generate the rebased branch yourself, though there are likely many conflicts in the process
[22:57] <attente> yeah, you're right. probably best if you maintain the clean patchset
[22:58] <attente> but if you push it to the remote, i could work off of that instead
[22:59] <attente> because it must be confusing keeping track of changes between the wip branch and the bugzilla patches
[23:00] <robert_ancell> attente, it's not hard - I just do a git diff to see what needs pulling in and then git cherry-pick them followed by a rebase
[23:01] <robert_ancell> attente, the issue pushing to the remote is then we have to force push and it gets messy/dangerous
[23:01] <attente> robert_ancell: i think it's ok as long as you're the only one doing it. but yeah, if you're ok with cherry picking changes from the other branch, that's sounds ok too
[23:21] <flocculant> robert_ancell: I was trying to unconfirm that bug - now I've got add-apt-repository crashing on me - so I'll leave it for tomorrow - but it appears that a clean install today installs -gnome
[23:21] <flocculant> I'll look as soon as I can on that
[23:26] <flocculant> bug 1544346 just in case that's important
[23:26] <ubot5`> bug 1544346 in software-properties (Ubuntu) "add-apt-repository crashed with ssl.SSLError in create_default_context(): unknown error (_ssl.c:3046)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1544346