[00:22] <daftykins> wow at this on Dell's outlet - https://www.dropbox.com/s/uhbydqgj8tp7657/dell.JPG?dl=0
[00:38] <ali1234> what is ?
[00:38] <daftykins> i'm seeing a square box, so probably UTF fail in my case
[00:39] <ali1234> yes i know that but what actually is the symbol?
[00:39] <ali1234> and where does it come from?
[00:40] <ali1234> and specifically why does my terminal keep printing it?
[00:40] <daftykins> pass
[00:40] <daftykins> locale issues?
[00:40] <ali1234> no
[00:40] <ali1234> it's something to do with unicode
[00:42] <ali1234> xfce4-terminal does not print it, but terminator does
[00:43] <ali1234> hmm actually it does, depending on the font
[00:43] <ali1234> but weirdly xterm with the same font doesn't
[00:44] <ali1234> this is so weird
[00:44] <ali1234> one day i'll find a piece of software that works properly. one day.
[00:51] <ali1234> i should just use vte directly instead of relying on terminals
[00:57] <diddledan> ali1234: it might not be a real unicode but garbage spewed from a malfunction?
[00:57] <ali1234> it isn't
[00:57] <ali1234> it's definitely 100% correct unicode
[00:57] <ali1234> the issue is that different terminals display it differently
[00:58] <ali1234> even though they all use libvte internally
[01:15] <ali1234> wait a minute
[01:24] <ali1234> i think i know what the problem is here
[01:24] <ali1234> the glyph in question is an empty space
[01:24] <ali1234> perhaps the PCF font omits this character entirely
[01:24] <ali1234> so it gets substituted from another one
[01:27] <ali1234> no, it definitely contains the glyph
[01:28] <diddledan> if you see it as a square that is the usual sign that a character is being substituted due to the code not matching a valid character in the font
[01:28] <ali1234> i don't see it as a square
[01:28] <ali1234> i should see an empty space
[01:28] <diddledan> that's how I see it
[01:28] <ali1234> instead, i see a weird character
[01:29] <ali1234> see http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/261136/libvte-unicode-font-handling
[01:29] <diddledan> how are you echoing the character?
[01:29] <ali1234> with cat
[01:29] <ali1234> the file i am catting is also linked on that question
[01:29] <ali1234> if you think i can add any more useful information, please let me know :)
[01:29] <ali1234> both fonts are linked too
[01:36] <ali1234> turns out VTE is being consistent at least, i was confused
[01:43] <ali1234> seems this is actually a quirk of gtk
[01:48] <ali1234> argh
[01:54] <ali1234> hmm i think i know what is happening
[01:54] <ali1234> when i select PCF font in VTE, it replaces *all* the characters with scalable ones
[01:54] <ali1234> every single one
[01:54] <ali1234> that's why they don't render properly
[01:55] <ali1234> for some reason it substitutes ee20 from a different font, while all the others come from the ttf version of my font
[01:55] <ali1234> hmm no that can't be it either
[02:44] <ali1234> so here's a fun thing to try at home
[02:45] <ali1234> try to write a command line program that runs itself inside a new urxvt or xterm window
[02:45] <ali1234> and also accepts input on a pipe
[02:46] <ali1234> and also exits cleanly at the end
[02:46] <ali1234> and also redirects it's output into less, inside the xterm
[08:46] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:53] <SuperMatt> 'ning
[08:56] <knightwise>  hey guys
[08:56] <knightwise> how you buddiez doin ?
[09:01] <Myrtti> could've slept better...
[09:19] <MooDoo> morning
[09:20] <foobarry> anyone got "the throat"?
[09:20] <foobarry> sore throat for 5 days
[09:21] <SuperMatt> not yet, but my girlfriend does
[09:21] <foobarry> ah , you will
[09:21] <SuperMatt> wonderful
[09:21] <SuperMatt> I was looking forward to some time off
[09:21] <MooDoo> son has it but not me
[09:22] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:24] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[09:41] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Wednesday, and happy Plimsoll Day! 😃
[09:41] <MooDoo> morning JamesTait
[09:42]  * zmoylan-pi listens to the squeak squeak of people walking past in sneakers...
[09:43] <JamesTait> 👋  MooDoo, zmoylan-pi
[09:44] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51qeNPOuIIQ
[09:44] <zmoylan-pi> and 01f44b to you too... what ever character that is...
[09:47] <MooDoo> all I see is a square
[09:48] <JamesTait> https://codepoints.net/U+1F44b
[09:48] <zmoylan-pi> another joy of irrsi is that it gets rid of the emojii and unicode silliness... :-)
[09:48]  * JamesTait is using irssi.
[09:49] <JamesTait> Joyfully.
[09:49] <MooDoo> I'm using irssi as well
[09:49] <zmoylan-pi> mine is running on rasp pi... might need a reboot...
[09:50] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: all hail irssi
[09:50] <knightwise> on the pi
[09:50] <zmoylan-pi> hmmm, that web page on linux mint isn't showing the unicode either... i'm in too minds as to should i try and fix that...
[09:50] <knightwise> running it , so am i
[09:53] <Myrtti> U+2665 and U+221E are my favourite
[09:54] <zmoylan-pi> and i'll never know as none of my systems seem to be able to display them... :-)
[09:54] <Myrtti> ♥
[09:54] <JamesTait> Myrtti, I have ∞ ♥ for you. ☺
[09:54] <Myrtti> awww
[09:54] <davmor2> Myrtti: watch him he is after something
[09:54] <Myrtti> sorry but I'm spoken for http://www.hkjewellery.co.uk/ring-11586-1-miia-s-bespoke-binary-inspired-palladium-wedding-ring
[09:54] <zmoylan-pi> pfttt, isn't <3 good enough anymore :-P
[09:55]  * knightwise thinks that everything you do on a computer is way cooler when you listen to the "dark knight" soundtrack while doing it
[09:58] <zmoylan-pi> i listen to banjo... or bagpipes... :-) drowns out everything else...
[09:58] <JamesTait> Myrtti, they are very nice rings.
[09:59] <Myrtti> they are, even when both my engagement and his wedding one got a bit worse when we had them resized. But that's life
[15:04] <arsenip>  h
[15:04] <mapps> hi all
[15:12] <davmor2> hello
[15:15] <foobarry> copter just landed outside
[15:33] <Myrtti> FYI removed some old looking purely IP based bans.
[15:33] <Myrtti> popey: ^
[15:34] <popey> okeydoke
[15:34] <popey> thanks
[15:35] <Myrtti> there's still a good amount left but not in amounts that it would be an issue, leaving even those old ones probably wouldn't have been but it's more likely that the people have moved on with dynamic addresses
[15:52] <zmoylan-pi>  black helicopters... everyone panic... \o/
[15:52] <foobarry> red one
[15:52] <foobarry> think it means someone is hurt :(
[15:52] <zmoylan-pi> ah :-(
[16:40] <davmor2> foobarry: no that means that someone is very hurt
[16:41] <foobarry> yeah :(
[16:42] <foobarry> they didn't bring him back to the heli
[16:42] <foobarry> not sure if that is good or bad
[16:42] <zmoylan-pi> could just be they needed some equipment from the heli fast
[16:56] <mapps> hm what film to watch crimson peak or the lobster
[16:56] <mapps> the lobster sounds interesting
[16:56] <mapps> In a dystopian near future, single people, according to the laws of The City, are taken to The Hotel, where they are obliged to find a romantic partner in forty-five days or are transformed into beasts and sent off into The Woods.
[16:59] <bashrc> that must be a one star
[17:03] <popey> You should watch http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/ad38087bac/donald-trump-art-of-the-deal-movie
[19:50] <NET||abuse> hey guys. anyone know how to get vmware horizon installed? I need to access a vmware VDI windows desktop
[19:51] <NET||abuse> all these bloody companies only offer windows or mac apps..
[20:08] <m0nkey_> NET||abuse, they have a linux client for Horizon. https://my.vmware.com/web/vmware/info?slug=desktop_end_user_computing/vmware_horizon_clients/3_0
[20:08] <NET||abuse> yeh, i downloaded that and it gave me error saying magic number does not match,,,, maybe that's a corrupt download,i'll try it again.
[20:09] <m0nkey_> Have you read the system requirements?
[20:10] <m0nkey_> Are you installing on a 64-bit 14.04 client?
[20:10] <m0nkey_> If so, it wont work, 64-bit only available for 12.04
[20:11] <NET||abuse> m0nkey_: good pont, i had missed that.
[20:32] <NET||abuse> hmm, tried the 32 bit installer, but it fails to run the installer with an error   User interface initialization failed.  Exiting.  Check the log for details.
[21:17] <m0nkey_> NET||abuse, are you on a 32 or 64 bit machine?
[21:48] <NET||abuse> m0nkey_: sorry, was afk, i'm on a 64 bit 15.10
[21:48] <m0nkey_> NET||abuse, document said 14.04 32-bit only, 12.04 has 64-bit support
[21:48] <m0nkey_> So you need to be on either of them for it to work on Ubuntu
[21:49] <m0nkey_> The documentation was very clear about it
[23:56] <Azelphur> Woo, just got my first freelance contract after quitting my job. \o/