flocculantsarnold: odd - works ok in this main install , add-apt that is00:24
flocculantand printers works too]00:25
sarnoldflocculant: mdes laur recently did an openssl merge and I was curious if you tripped a regression, but when I went looking it worked fine.. hehe00:25
sarnoldflocculant: can you get it to fail somewhere predictably? it may or may not be a regression, but the fact that I couldn't reproduce it made me think it's transient error of some sort00:26
flocculantnot sure wth is going on - why would this all work on hardware with all manner of to'ings and fro'ings but not in vm00:27
flocculantsarnold: yea yea - understood :00:27
flocculanton main here - setting vm to main00:28
flocculantsarnold: same fail in vm00:29
robert_ancellflocculant, I dropped the packagekit dependency for the PPA version - do you know what is pulling it in?00:30
flocculantsarnold: unless it is yet again a vbox issue - in which case surely they are piling up now00:31
flocculantrobert_ancell: I'm now talking about the time it takes to repeat a command in terminal in vm against this hardware install00:32
flocculantwould your change be that quick?00:32
robert_ancellflocculant, I dropped the dependency yesterday, so I'm wondering if your bug is against an older version00:33
robert_ancellflocculant, I'm also currently updating dependencies in xenial so it will go directly in there. So then it might be worth purging the PPA and checking if you still have the issue.00:33
flocculantrobert_ancell: well I clean installed the vm, upgraded did the dist-upgrade it wanted, added the ppa then redid that and grabbed g-s, and while that was going - added ppa to this main install and did the same00:35
flocculantinstalled on hardware fine - failed in vbox00:35
robert_ancellflocculant, ok00:35
flocculantrobert_ancell: happy enough to redo the vm stuff first tomorrow - see where it leaves me00:36
flocculantalso happy enough to blitz this install - but need a while longer :)00:36
flocculantand yea - weird :)00:36
flocculantif it's an 'old xenial' upgrading to 'newer' then happy enough to wander away from it obviosly :)00:40
sarnoldI don't know what other issue you're working on.. but uprades from 'old xenial' may do a good job replicating what users see when upgrading from wily..00:41
flocculantsarnold: well - I grabbed the g-s ppa really early - so ...00:41
flocculantand frankly - if any of my testers said 'upgraded from old xenial' I'd say - re-install it00:43
flocculantbut I try and do what I can to play edge stories and see what goes on - this broke - though it was ppa00:43
flocculantsarnold: actually - none of that actually matters now I think of it - add-apt failed twice in vm's - tomorrow morning I will do a clean install on hardware and see - without updating/grading the iso or install00:49
flocculantI'll report on the bug if needed00:50
sarnoldflocculant: great, thanks!00:50
flocculantsarnold: I just want to make sure when I can :)00:52
flocculantjust getting a bit lost in the logic of what I have - and trying to set up xubuntu for 2 milestones lol00:53
flocculanttoo many vm's and h'ware installs :)00:54
sarnoldoof. i'm familiar with the problem. :)00:55
flocculantanyway - I'll try and pare it down and either invalid or 'dudesssss' it :)00:59
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desrthikiko: happy thursday07:10
desrthello to everyone else, as well :)07:23
pittiGood morning07:55
pittihey larsu!08:00
seb128good morning desktopers pitti larsu08:08
pittibonjour seb128 !08:08
seb128oui, et toi ?08:09
pittiça va, un peu fatigué comme tous les jeudi matins :)08:09
seb128tu as joué au basketball hier ?08:10
pittioui, c'était super !08:10
seb128moi j'ai joué au tennis, c'était bien aussi !08:10
seb128et je suis également un peu fatigué ce matin ;-)08:11
* pitti ^5s seb12808:11
* seb128 ^5s pitti back ;-)08:12
pittiseb128: c'est la bonne sorte de fatigue :)08:12
seb128oui !08:12
pittiseb128: il ne fait pas trop froid pour tennis ?08:12
pittiil neige un peu ici, et il y a 2 degrees08:13
seb128non ça va, il ne gèle pas08:13
seb128bbiab, moving with the laptop to a coffee place for the morning08:20
seb128pitti, eog.mo is missing from the french langpacks, that keeps happening in xenial then it comes back at the next update, do you have any clue how to debug that?08:44
willcookemorning all08:44
TheMusoHey willcooke, hey folks.08:44
willcookeevening TheMuso08:44
larsuhi willcooke!08:45
seb128hey willcooke TheMuso08:45
larsuhey TheMuso!08:45
hikikoheh :) happy Thursday desrt and pitti seb128 TheMuso willcooke larsu etc08:47
seb128hey hikiko, happy almost friday!08:47
larsuthanks hikiko, you too!08:48
TheMusoLater folks.08:49
seb128bye TheMuso08:51
seb128enjoy your evening08:51
* duflu never did get around to asking if TheMuso plays music :)08:52
dufluOr maybe I did and don't remember because /UDS evenings/08:53
alexarnaudHi Ubuntu community !08:56
dufluHi alexarnaud08:58
seb128hey alexarnaud09:01
seb128good morning Laney!09:01
Laneywhat's up09:03
seb128just tried daily (which works!) and your ubiquity wk2, works as well!09:04
seb128and sky is blue09:04
seb128good start of day ;-)09:04
LaneyI hear birds09:04
Laneyand some daffodils are starting to come out09:05
Laneycould be!09:05
seb128hey andyrock09:06
seb128it's a season for snow :p09:06
Laneybeen a crap winter for snow so far09:08
Laneyhad about 1mm one time09:08
alexarnaudhey seb128 Laney duflu andyrock !09:08
alexarnaudLaney: you are a geek poetry ^^09:08
seb128yeah :-/09:08
seb128Laney, oh, and we got gnome-software binaries in universe ;-)09:09
seb128without fwdupdate/gcab/packagekit09:09
seb128but still, a good first step ;-)09:09
Laneydid you try them?09:09
seb128no, I'm waiting for that install to be done, it's uninstalling packages09:10
seb128so almost there09:10
seb128that's my next-on-the-list ;-)09:10
pittiseb128: ok, previous fires dealt with (for now) -- are they missing from the current langpacks? i. e. are my current logs/tarballs useful for debugging?09:17
seb128pitti, yes09:17
pitti/usr/share/locale-langpack/de/LC_MESSAGES/eog.mo exists anyway09:17
pittigrep fr.*eog logs/xenial.log → nothing09:19
seb128pitti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/15015106/09:19
pittiit's there for plenty of other langs, though09:19
seb128that's n-1 to current09:19
* pitti compares the latest three deltas on https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+language-packs09:20
willcookehikiko, Trevinho - do you have nVidia hardware?  Suggestion that installing the proprietary nv drivers "break" u7.... https://plus.google.com/+PopescuSorin/posts/j8RPRvzMvbU09:20
pittiseb128: what do you mean with "n-1"?09:20
pittiseb128: oh, nevermind09:20
seb128pitti, the -de one lost devhelp09:21
pittiseb128: speaking of which, we should do a -base refresh09:21
seb128but that might be a different issue09:21
pittilast one was in November09:21
seb128Files in first .deb but not in second09:21
seb128-rw-r--r--  root/root   /usr/share/locale-langpack/de/LC_MESSAGES/devhelp.mo09:21
seb128-rw-r--r--  root/root   /usr/share/locale-langpack/de/LC_MESSAGES/gtkhtml-4.0.mo09:21
seb128gtkhtml is normal09:21
seb128that source is deprecated09:21
pittiseb128: ok, they are there in the tarball09:27
hikikowillcooke, I don't09:32
hikikoI have only integrated intels09:32
seb128pitti, yeah, last time I looked (before the holidays) I couldn't find anything weird/buggy in the export09:34
seb128do we have logs on the packs generation?09:34
pittiseb128: yes, on macquarie09:34
pittiseb128: I was just looking, fr/eog doesn't appear there at all -- as if it wasn't in the tarball (but it is)09:35
pittiseb128: you should have access to that09:35
hikikowillcooke, Error: Plugin 'opengl' not loaded means that he has no opengl, he needs to rm -r ~/.compiz-1 restart lightdm open ccsm and enable opengl, unityshell09:35
willcookehikiko,  would you mind commenting on that post?  Or I can if you prefer09:36
willcookeI'm mindful that we don't want to turn G+ in to a support forum, but that guy does a lot of good stuff for us09:36
willcookeso yes, pure favouritism ;)09:37
larsuG+ is still a thing?09:37
* larsu giggles09:38
willcookeIt's a thing for Ubuntu users09:38
willcookeand Arduino09:38
willcookeand I think that's it09:38
willcookeit's quite nice really09:38
pittiand FOSS in general09:38
pittiless of a thing for exchanging cat pictures indeed09:39
pittiI see electronic boards and beer bottles a LOT, though :)09:39
seb128hope it stays one09:39
seb128I hate having the world forced into a single choice09:39
willcookeha, yes there are a lot of beer bottles.09:39
willcookeGoes along with FOSS I expect ;)09:39
seb128Laney, gnome-software (sort-of) "works"09:41
seb128the "all" tab lists firefox and transmission and that's it09:41
seb128"installed" has a better list09:42
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Laneyappstreamcli search .09:43
pittiwhy do we seed ubuntu-sso-client-qt? I didn't see that Qt client for ages09:43
pittiunseeding would apparently allow us to drop python-qt409:44
pittiwhich is two obsolete APIs in one package :)09:44
seb128Laney, that list <things>09:44
Laneyiz gnome-software boog then09:44
pittiis that just a leftover from rhythmbox music or so?09:44
seb128like search empathy or brasero works09:45
seb128pitti, software-center09:45
Laneygnome-software --search robocode --verbose09:45
seb128it does the auth for reviews09:45
pittiseb128: ok, but shouldn't software-center depend on it then, rather than seedin git?09:45
pittiseb128: I just purged s-c to see how much that loses, was curious09:45
seb128I guess we should yes09:46
pittiseb128: oh sorry, it already does09:46
pitti... depend on it, I mean09:46
seb128makes sense09:46
pittiseb128: so is it ok if I unseed it?09:46
seb128afaik yes09:46
seb128maybe check with dobey09:46
seb128he might know of something else using that I don't have in mind09:46
pittiit won't change the images/default install due to that dep anyway09:47
pittiseb128: ack, will do09:47
pittidobey: can you think of a reason to still keep ubuntu-sso-client-qt seeded? software-center directly depends on it, but I don't see anything else using it09:47
pittidobey: thus as soon as we unseed software-center, we could lose ubuntu-sso-client-qt and python-qt4 along with it09:47
pittidobey: i. e. this should be a dependency only, not a first-class seeded package09:48
pittidesktop: * ubuntu-sso-client-qt # because software-center uses it for comments/purchases/oneconf, and there is no GTK+ edition09:48
pittilooks like it's only for s-c, as per seed history09:49
seb128Laney, http://paste.ubuntu.com/15015186/09:49
pittiand as it's a dep -> I'll drop it for now  (I'll put it back if dobey objects009:49
seb128pitti, +109:49
Laneyseb128: is that incomplete?09:50
Laneyit looks like it ends int he middle of a line09:50
Laneyanyway I see it too here09:50
seb128Laney, unsure why it truncated09:50
Laneyapp invalid as no pixbuf09:52
Laneythis all worked before when we were at the sprint09:52
Laneylarsu can confirm!!!!09:52
seb128rob updated g-s to 3.19 though09:52
Laneyguess that side broke things09:52
seb128so maybe a bug in the new version09:52
Laneydunno why he didn't notice this though09:52
seb128yeah, or maybe he did09:53
seb128but he's getting things moving09:53
seb128and going to fix it next09:53
Laneyeg bug #154224209:54
ubot5`bug 1542242 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "Search doesnt return any results" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154224209:54
seb128hum :-/09:54
seb128k, going offline for 10 minutes or so, walking back from the coffee place09:56
Laneywatch out for those canals09:56
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hikikoG+ is interesting :) I might start posting links to bug fixes and features..10:10
hikikoI never look at it much :p10:10
Sweet5harkmoin all10:18
seb128hey Sweet5hark10:18
desrtSweet5hark: greetings10:18
seb128hey Sweet5hark desrt10:18
Sweet5harkricotz: 5.0.5~rc2 is at https://launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/+archive/ubuntu/libreoffice-staging -- havent smoketested that yet.10:18
Sweet5harkpopey: libreoffice vanilla minimal is at https://launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/+archive/ubuntu/libreoffice-quantaltest-20120601 but likewise not tested yet in any way. (also not that 5.0.5 strictly speaking isnt finalized yet)10:19
seb128Sweet5hark, thanks for the autpkg fix, I just uploaded your update10:20
michael-vbseb128: for your information, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/154361910:20
ubot5`Launchpad bug 1543619 in unity-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "unity-settings-daemon randr support has problems in virtual machines" [Undecided,New]10:20
popeythanks Sweet5hark10:20
seb128michael-vb, thanks10:20
larsuLaney: hm?10:20
* larsu was in a call10:20
michael-vbseb128: we will work around it somehow, not least because we need to support distribution releases which are no longer regularly updated.10:20
michael-vbI may just be radical and delete that file with a warning when we find it.10:21
Sweet5harkseb128: thanks a lot. and thank you for handling the hsqldb thing (*sigh*)!10:21
ricotzSweet5hark, alright10:22
seb128Sweet5hark, yw!10:22
Sweet5harkdesrt: good mo ... wait *confused*-- good $(whatever time it is at your place)10:22
desrtSweet5hark: still in .de :)10:25
larsuSweet5hark: speaking of .de, I'm in Hamburg right now :)10:47
* Laney wants a hamburger10:47
* Laney chews on Sweet5hark 10:47
* larsu eyes to the street below10:47
* Sweet5hark tastes aweful.10:48
Sweet5harklarsu: oh, cool. How long will you be around?10:49
larsuSweet5hark: how do you know?10:49
Sweet5harklarsu: Im bitter.10:49
larsuSweet5hark: only until the early evening (picking up Faina as we hadn't seen each other for a while)10:49
larsuSweet5hark: otherwise I would have let you known sooner and asked for a beer ;)10:50
Sweet5harklarsu: right, my thoughts exactly ;)10:52
Laneyseb128: fixed that icon thing11:53
Laneyeverything is non-free and 3rd party but hey ho11:54
larsuLaney: icons broke (again)?11:55
Laneyyeah who knows why11:55
* larsu shrufs11:56
larsudid I ever mention that I hate the way we do icons?11:56
Laneynah this is appstream side11:58
Laneyfor uninstalled things11:58
seb128Laney, well done!12:23
seb128pitti, did you get anywhere with the langpack issue?12:27
seb128Laney, dunno what changed but now I get gnome-software listing categories but no selection and the categories are mostly empty12:34
pittiseb128: sorry, no, got diverted12:35
Laneythat's what happened before no?12:35
seb128Laney, no, this morning I had http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/gnomesoftware.png12:35
seb128now I've no icon but a grid of categories, when clicking on those I get subcategories on the left side and nothing on the right12:36
Laneyk, didn't look like that for me12:36
seb128is your fix server side?12:36
seb128or something to upload/update?12:36
seb128pitti, no worry, there was some other discussions ongoing so I was unsure if I had missed something12:37
Laneylook on the bug, just attached a patch12:37
Laneyyou can try it if you want12:38
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dobeypitti: imo, no; not sure why it specifically was seeded13:53
willcookedesktoppers:  via davidcalle - http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/02/liveblog-scientists-announce-major-gravitational-wave-finding/14:04
seb128Laney, your path change does the trick ;-)14:07
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pittiwillcooke: wasn't that supposed to be announced in an hour and a quarter from now?14:14
pittioh, there's a countdown14:14
larsucrazy times. A countdown :)14:24
* pitti can already hear it..14:24
larsuthe waves? ;)14:24
pitti"Red Alert! Captain, a gravitational wave of magnitude 7 is approaching us. Evasive manœuvers!"14:25
desrtpitti: they would definitely have said "graviton" there14:25
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Sweet5harkseb128: oh, i386 build for libreoffice in proposed says "failed" but doesnt have a log ...16:36
Sweet5harkseb128: (while it even build on powerpc/ppc64el/s390x just fine, so seems to be a transient failure)16:37
Sweet5harkseb128: just restart that?16:38
seb128Sweet5hark, done16:39
Sweet5harkseb128: thx!16:39
seb128time for some exercice, bbl16:50
alexarnaudseb128: what's bbl?16:56
ogra_close :)16:56
ogra_"be back later" ;)16:57
chrisccoulsonricotz, I'm just about to upload Firefox builds with telemetry enabled to https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-next. I'm going to turn publishing off until I've verified it works as expected (just in case you wonder what's going on)17:33
alexarnaudogra_: oh, well. I know AFK only ^^.17:43
ricotzchrisccoulson, are you going to take beta5 or the current beta4?17:51
ricotzSweet5hark, happened to all ppa builds too :\17:52
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Laneyoff to the theatre18:06
chrisccoulsonricotz, the current beta4 (it's a new tarball though, as it needs to embed the source revision)18:17
chrisccoulsonricotz, see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123368718:17
ubot5`Mozilla bug 1233687 in Telemetry "[meta] Ubuntu Firefox builds don't send Telemetry" [Normal,New]18:17
ricotzchrisccoulson, ah, I see18:21
willcookeg'night all, off to Beavers18:21
ricotzchrisccoulson, I assume you finished this within the next 11 hours (in time for beta 5)?18:22
chrisccoulsonricotz, fingers crossed18:24
ricotzchrisccoulson, hmm, ok18:30
bschaeferhello, was wondering if anyone could give this package some love :) https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/capnproto/0.5.3-2ubuntu120:51
TheMusoduflu: I do/did. Haven't really played in a while for various reasons, although looking to get back into it.21:09
robert_ancellbschaefer, what's the issue?21:20
bschaeferrobert_ancell, mainly just would like the 0.5.3 in xenial rather then proposed to get proper cmake/pkg packaging changes21:22
robert_ancellbschaefer, according to http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html it should have migrated - I don't know what's holding it back21:22
bschaeferrobert_ancell, bregma pointed out a rdepends on unity-scopes-api but it looks like it should just need a rebuild21:22
bschaeferbut yeah other then that... it seemed to pass everything, but seems like a low priority21:23
robert_ancellbschaefer, then I'd expect the excuses page to give that as a reason :/21:23
bschaefertrue, not really sure whats holding it back :(21:23
bschaeferfigured maybe someone in desktop would know21:24
robert_ancellthat's the end of my knowledge in -proposed migration. Perhaps RAOF might know21:24
bschaefero cool, ill be sure to poke him when he gets on21:24
dobeybschaefer: it's been a painful migration21:27
dobeybschaefer: new capnproto caused unity-scopes-api to break, and new jsoncpp caused unity-scopes-api and some other packages to break21:28
bschaeferaww dang :(21:28
bschaeferwas worried about that21:28
dobeywell, that's what happens with abi breaks :)21:28
bschaeferits not a requirement, just makes things simpler :)21:28
dobeybschaefer: anyway, the necessary rdepends should be uploaded to proposed now, so should just be a matter of time for launchpad and autopkgtests to catch up and let things through21:29
dobey(i've been dealing with that the past few days)21:30
bschaefero thats good to hear. Thanks for the information and battling with the ABI break :)21:30
dobey(well, me and a couple others on my team, i can't take all the credit :)21:31
bregmarobert_ancell, I'm looking at changing the name of the lightdm session for Unity 8 (removing the -mir, because it's Mir all the way down now) but when I do, stuff stops working...  it seems the session name is always derived from the name of the session file instead of the user-session string inside the session file21:40
bregmarobert_ancell, would you suggest any simple way around that?21:40
* bregma find the above description confusing and apologizes in advance21:41
robert_ancellbregma, yeah, not sure exactly what you're getting at there. What is the "session name" exactly? $XDG_SESSION_DESKTOP? $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP?21:42
robert_ancellbregma, in short, you can rename the session file to anything you like, though you will break existing logins as they will use the old name21:43
bregmarobert_ancell, $DESKTOP_SESSION21:43
robert_ancellbregma, right, nothing *should* be using that anymore21:43
bregmawell, it's used by the Unity 8 upstart job to only start Unity 8 when it's a Unity 8 session21:45
bregmais there a better way?21:45
robert_ancellbregma, you should set DesktopNames in the .desktop file to have any keys you might want21:46
robert_ancellSo you'd probably do DesktopNames=Unity;Unity821:46
robert_ancellSo existing stuff that checked for Unity would still work and new stuff could check for Unity821:46
robert_ancellThat gets exposed as (the confusingly named) $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP21:47
robert_ancellcaveat, I bet there's a bunch of software that doesn't correctly check it as a list instead doing basically strcmp (getenv ("XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP"), "Unity") == 021:48
bregmarobert_ancell, all that matters here really is the upstart job to start the desktop session, so it's worth playing with, thanks21:48
robert_ancellximion, do you know where the appstream code is that set the origin of an app, e.g. "xenial-main"22:08
robert_ancellximion, because I've found the issue that the apps say they're third party - we need a plugin to mark them as not (Debian will need one too)22:09
ximionrobert_ancell: which kind of origin do you mean exactly? The AppStream metadata origin, or the candidate origin (= repository in case of distro packages)?22:10
robert_ancellximion, appstream metadata origin22:10
robert_ancellwhich is used as the origin for the GsApp and is what is used by the Fedora plugin to determine if they came from Fedora22:10
ximionrobert_ancell: did you discuss that with hughsie? That sounds a bit short-sighted to me...22:10
ximionah, if the Fedora plugin does it, we must do the same, since it appears to be the preferred way then...22:11
ximionand yes, I would like to have that plugin in Debian too, maybe we could even add it upstream22:11
ximionI just know the origin stuff for libappstream22:12
* ximion check appstream-glib22:12
ximionbut I think checking AppStream data will be insufficient, since AppStream metadata can come from anywhere, including 3rd-party sources22:12
ximionI think what you really want is to check for the PackageKit repository software originates from...22:13
ximionin a package-id, that is the last part of the pkg;version;arch;data triplet (data == repository, unless installed, then it's an "installed" string)22:14
ximionin GS, you should receive an origin of the software component via the gs_app_get_source_id_default () call, btw22:14
ximionrobert_ancell: ^22:15
robert_ancellximion, yeah, the packagekit plugin also seems to set origin22:15
ximionAppStream doesn't know or care about where the software it provides metadata for comes from - but tools like PackageKit, XdgApp and Limba do have that knowledge22:16
ximionhah! The GS code just gave me an idea how I could improve the PK aptcc backend :-)22:18
ximionrobert_ancell: I don't like that this code is in a distro-specific plugin - maybe we can convince hughsie to make this a config file which distributors can ship?22:25
robert_ancellximion, I guess it depends if we can simply define what consitutes a supported package.22:26
ximionrobert_ancell: supported package == anything in the distributors official repositories22:26
ximion3rd-party: anything else22:27
robert_ancellximion, it seems like a maintainence issue to keep updating the whitelist of supported things22:28
ximionrobert_ancell: if we would do things right, PackageKit would provide that information, and either have it in its backend, or query APT for it22:30
ximionideally, a client tool like GS shouldn't contain any distribution-specific stuff, and hardcoded lists are especially evil22:33

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