[00:12] <m0nkey_> Congrats Azelphur
[00:26] <Azelphur> ty :)
[00:27] <Azelphur> doing django/python dev \o/
[00:39] <m0nkey_> Ah ha! I'm putting you on speed dial for that :)
[00:39] <Azelphur> Hehe, I'm your guy for that ;)
[00:40] <m0nkey_> Just like I put diddledan on speed dial for regex
[00:40] <Azelphur> Still working on building myself a nice portfolio for myself, but http://ssh.azelphur.com:8050/ is a WIP project :)
[00:41] <m0nkey_> cool
[00:42] <m0nkey_> lol: You're seeing this error because you have DEBUG = True in your Django settings file.
[00:42] <Azelphur> what's you break :o
[00:42] <m0nkey_> The logo, points to index2.html, get a 404
[00:42] <Azelphur> hahaha, you always forget the obvious huh ;)
[00:43] <m0nkey_> Maybe you can help the #freenas guys with their GUI, that's done in Django
[00:43] <m0nkey_> And they can't do gui's very well.. lol
[00:44] <m0nkey_> I take it you play TF2? :)
[00:45] <Azelphur> Hehe yea freenas is cool, sadly I don't use it at home
[00:45] <Azelphur> and I do indeed :)
[08:18] <diplo> Morning all
[08:18] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:30] <andrewebdev> o/
[08:32] <Myrtti> mnöö.
[08:33] <MooDoo> :)
[09:07] <diplo> What do you guys recommend on the Pi2 as a desktop? Bought a spare MicroSD for one of my kids to play
[09:08] <foobarry> risc OS?
[09:12] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:14] <davmor2> diplo: lxde/xfce variety of your favourite distro that will install on it
[09:27] <diplo> Yeah I was gussing that, think that's what raspbian ships with.. I believe martin wimpress has got Mate running on it to
[09:27] <diplo> Just wondered if anyone else had tried anything
[09:49] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Thursday, and happy Get Out Your Guitar Day! 😃
[09:56] <foobarry> mehhhhh bootstrap
[09:59] <davmor2> JamesTait: you argue with me over this one I will hunt you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLV4_xaYynY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9irsg1vBmq0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_lyXfQgIV0
[10:01] <JamesTait> davmor2, no arguments from me there!
[10:05] <davmor2> JamesTait: I could add a bit of slash and santana and a bit of chuck berry and clapton, but I think those 2 are my favourite by far :)
[10:10] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:18] <MooDoo> woohoo qualsys ssl checker - a+ baby lol
[10:39] <davmor2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0gED3rn2Tc
[11:27] <sebsebseb> popey: ping
[11:27] <popey> sebsebseb: hello
[11:27] <sebsebseb> popey: morning, I been wondering about something, maybe you know the answer to :)
[11:28] <zmoylan-pi> it takes everyone 3 attempts to plug in usb :-P
[11:28] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: not with usbc
[11:28] <sebsebseb> popey: that upcoming tablet, saw the speeches at FOSDEM about it to :), but I get the impression it may only really the convergence work with a blue tooth mouse and keyboard,  not a USB one?
[11:29] <zmoylan-pi> then you're not drunk enough
[11:29] <sebsebseb> popey: seems all teh articles say blue tooth as well,  except the register one where it did say usb, that I have read
[11:29] <moreati> davmor2: USB-C takes 4 attempts. 3 with the cable you have, and the 4th after a trip to Maplin for a new cable
[11:30] <sebsebseb> popey: will it work with USB as well, any idea?  and  even USB but without a O2G device :)?
[11:31] <sebsebseb> wonders what the others are talking about, I see something USB there to, heh
[11:31]  * sebsebseb /me that one even :d
[11:31] <moreati> I'm struggling to connect to EFNet IRC. Anyone here using it? Which server are you connected to?
[11:31] <popey> I have plugged USB keyboards and mice into Ubuntu touch devices
[11:32] <sebsebseb> popey: yes it worked on the Meizu via the OTG device :),  but I am not sure if it will work with the BQ M10
[11:32] <sebsebseb> have you been able to play around with one of those yet running UBuntu by the way ?
[11:33] <popey> I see no reason why you wouldn't be able to use a USB OTG cable with the upcoming devices
[11:33] <popey> device
[11:33] <popey> :)
[11:33]  * sebsebseb plans to buy it next month, but even though cheap, wasn't so keen on buying a blue tooth mouse  and keyboard as well specifically
[11:34] <zmoylan-pi> bt keyboards are really cheap now
[11:34] <sebsebseb> zmoylan-pi: yeah, but I also got a load of old USB keyboards lying around and mouses to :d
[11:34] <zmoylan-pi> i've seen them for <€20
[11:34] <sebsebseb> so it's like why buy a blue tooth keyboard and mouse when not that needed, when can use old usb ones :d
[11:34] <sebsebseb> with the phones/ tablet
[11:35] <popey> because it's more cables
[11:35] <popey> and less easy to charge and use OTG devices at the same time
[11:35] <zmoylan-pi> mind the sub 20 note keyboard made the zx spectrum keyboard look professional
[11:35] <popey> using BT kb/mouse means your device can be on charge while you're typing
[11:35] <sebsebseb> ah right yeah that's true I supouse, O2G takes over the charger
[11:35] <zmoylan-pi> no cables to tug tablet off table accidently to floor
[11:35] <sebsebseb> uses the battery
[11:36] <sebsebseb> can't realy charge with a o2g device connected
[11:36] <sebsebseb> zmoylan-pi: yeah cables can be annoying like that at times sure
[11:37] <sebsebseb> actually that's a good point,  can have the tablet over ther some where, and keyboard there, no cables connected  to possibly make it to go on floor
[11:37] <popey> You can get a hub which will charge and let you use a kb/mouse over usb too
[11:38]  * sebsebseb woudn't want to be dropping Ubuntu tablet onto hard lamented floor, like has done with Ipad a few times, resulting in proper damage in the end, well actaully that was a titled  floor to finnish things off, when changing rooms! and dogs distracting
[11:38] <Myrtti> Finnish?!?!
[11:39] <Myrtti> oh.
[11:39] <sebsebseb> yeah there probably is a o2g hub for charging to
[11:39] <sebsebseb> Myrtti: ha ha do you have that word on auto high light or something :d ?
[11:39] <Myrtti> no.
[11:39] <zmoylan-pi> when you properly want to 'take care' of things you finnish them... :-P
[11:39] <sebsebseb> zmoylan-pi: do you?  uhmm Jolla !
[11:39] <Myrtti> hammer it with a Nokia 3310
[11:39]  * sebsebseb thinks he won't get that Jolla tablet after all, but instead a re fund eventually!
[11:40] <zmoylan-pi> i saw a nokia 3310 for sale recently.  was tempted. could always use a new hammer...
[11:40] <sebsebseb> some people were really annoyed at the Jolla situation going by comments in blog
[11:40] <sebsebseb> etc
[11:40] <sebsebseb> some people they got cheated, but no one got cheated out  of there money really
[11:40] <czajkowski> Aloha
[11:40] <sebsebseb> some people feel like above
[11:41] <sebsebseb> czajkowski: hi
[11:41] <zmoylan-pi> so did czajkowski find her car?
[11:41] <czajkowski> zmoylan-pi: I did indeed
[11:41] <sebsebseb> czajkowski: uh what happended to your car?
[11:41] <czajkowski> remembered which spot to get off the bus on and then kinda worked my way back to the car
[11:41] <czajkowski> sebsebseb: nothing, I just landed back at Gatwick
[11:41] <popey> well, technically they did get cheated
[11:42] <czajkowski> wasnt sure of which bay I parked in
[11:42] <popey> They backed a crowdfunder and were promised a tablet
[11:42] <popey> the money was used for other things
[11:42] <popey> and the tablets show up on chinese websites.
[11:42] <popey> I'd be pretty annoyed too
[11:42] <sebsebseb> popey: well the sailfish 2.0 update was part of the deal really
[11:42] <sebsebseb> popey: it was a tablet with a software update
[11:42] <sebsebseb> meant to be
[11:42] <popey> a tablet
[11:42] <popey> which they didn't get.
[11:42] <popey> mind you, some got refunds, so that's okay I guess.
[11:43] <sebsebseb> popey: the chinese tablet was a copy one I read something about that
[11:43] <sebsebseb> popey: something similar not Jolla
[11:43] <popey> nope
[11:43] <sebsebseb> popey: I haven't got anything yet,  waiting still to see what happens there!
[11:43] <popey> Some were the actual tablets that had been produced in the same factory.
[11:43] <sebsebseb> popey: no email even to say if I am going to get re funded or  get the tablet maybe
[11:44] <popey> yeah, you have to apply for it
[11:44] <popey> it's been all over the campaign and jolla blog
[11:44] <sebsebseb> popey: uh  did I miss something? even though I read loads of comments from disapoinated people etc?
[11:44] <sebsebseb> I thought I read that Jolla was going to email out something before
[11:45] <popey> https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-tablet-closure/
[11:45] <popey> hm, it does say you'll get an email
[11:46] <popey> that was only a couple of weeks ago
[11:46] <sebsebseb> Firefox doesn't offically support phones anymore,  unofficaly can still get it on phones though.  Jolla has had tablet issues etc.  It pretty much just leaves Ubuntu now as the alternative.  Tizen is there kind of  of to, but not properly
[11:46] <zmoylan-pi> blackberry still exist but seem to be moving 100% android
[11:46] <sebsebseb> zmoylan-pi: yep I saw that to
[11:47] <sebsebseb> latest phone was Anddroid with Blackberry changes
[11:47] <zmoylan-pi> nokia bought alcatel so it remains to be seen what they do when they come back into the market
[11:47] <sebsebseb> Remix OS is nice for exampel, but that's based on Android, so not including that  kind of stuff as well, it basically leaves Ubuntu as the alternative now
[11:47] <sebsebseb> the alternative to Android or iOS that is
[11:47] <sebsebseb> or Windows Phone even
[11:48] <zmoylan-pi> opera looks like it's going to be sold to the chinese so that will shake up the dumbphone market which is still huge
[11:48] <zmoylan-pi> windows phone remains dead on arrival
[11:48] <sebsebseb> zmoylan-pi: Opera is based on webkit or whatever,  they  got rid of there own rendering engine
[11:48] <sebsebseb> zmoylan-pi: I guess not much point really in Opera anymore, except for loads of features that other browserse won't have here and there
[11:49] <sebsebseb> zmoylan-pi: and if people don't mind running a closed source browser.  I meant features as in graphical ones
[11:49] <sebsebseb> still better peeople running OPera than IE or Edge though
[11:49] <zmoylan-pi> opera is default browser on a lot of dumbphones and allows them to web, email, rss so it is kinda big if that goes away or is disrupted
[11:50] <sebsebseb> Opera runs webkit so that's good :)
[11:50] <zmoylan-pi> not on dumbphones it doesn't
[11:50] <sebsebseb> altough  even IE and Edge are better these days when it comes to web standards much better, than about 10 years ago anyway
[11:50] <sebsebseb> zmoylan-pi: oh?
[11:51] <sebsebseb> czajkowski: where you been, back in Ireland or something?
[11:51] <zmoylan-pi> it's a microbrowser serving compressed rendered pages from opera
[11:52] <sebsebseb> hmm this is interesting
[11:52] <sebsebseb> so I am actsaully using Ubuntu 15.10 right now, since my computer isn't quite set up yet since... UEFI stuff, other life stuff etc
[11:52] <sebsebseb> anyway so I just clicked on the link from popey  in konversation and it opended up  in
[11:53] <sebsebseb> Ubuntu Web Browser ???????
[11:53] <czajkowski> sebsebseb: nope over in Stockholm at jfokus
[11:53] <popey> Yeah, I was a bit sad about FirefoxOS not being developed further for phones.
[11:53] <sebsebseb> what's Ubuntu Web Brower,  that seems odd,
[11:54] <sebsebseb> czajkowski: what's jfokus ?
[11:54] <sebsebseb> czajkowski: also nice your in Sweden :)  I am half Swedish so, yes I speak it :)
[11:54] <sebsebseb> well were over
[11:55] <sebsebseb> popey: why's that?
[11:55] <popey> Competition is good
[11:55] <sebsebseb> in general yeah
[11:55] <popey> Also, I have a FFOS phone which is now a brick
[11:55] <sebsebseb> ,but could work out for Canonica's advantage that a bit realy
[11:55] <sebsebseb> since as I put earlier,  it pretty much just leaves Ubuntu now, and Tizen sort of
[11:56] <sebsebseb> popey: I read that some more updates would happen I think actsaully untll next year
[11:57] <popey> I wouldn't hold my breath for FFOS updates
[11:57] <sebsebseb> popey: I was a bit like uh, why are you showing FIrefox phones at FOSDEM at the Mozilla stand after that news?  they were like well can still get Firefox OS on phones  it's just offically Mozilla won't sell them anymore
[11:58] <sebsebseb> Tizen stuff was interesting :)
[11:58] <sebsebseb> popey: did you go there?  turns out Mark did and I actsaully ended up  meeting him :)
[11:58] <popey> No
[12:00] <sebsebseb> popey: I assume you have met him quite a few times, but now I have as well :).  who keeps on answering quite a few of the questions  for one of those Ubuntu talks at the back,  they sond knowledable thinking, oh it's Mark!  so seems someone else had done it to, but took the oppertunitty to briefuly chat to him after that,  and shook hands with him as well.
[12:01] <sebsebseb> popey: how was SCALE that's a point?
[12:01] <popey> great
[12:01] <popey> want to go again
[12:02] <sebsebseb> what did you do there?
[12:02] <sebsebseb> and  much bigger than FOSDEM I guess
[12:04] <popey> no, not bigger
[12:04] <popey> different style of conf though
[12:04] <sebsebseb> what kind of style?
[12:04] <popey> I think there were about 3600 people there
[12:04] <sebsebseb> more business llike?
[12:04] <popey> no, just not quite as developer focussed
[12:05] <popey> much bigger expo area
[12:06] <sebsebseb> what  talks did you get to there than
[12:06] <sebsebseb> stands even etc
[12:06] <sebsebseb> ?
[12:07] <popey> There were quite a few stands. We had one of course, gnome, kde, elementary, kodi, facebook
[12:07] <popey> lots :)
[12:10] <sebsebseb> facebook had one oh?
[12:10] <popey> yeah
[12:10] <sebsebseb> what's that got to do with Linux not much I Guess, except for the server running it
[12:11] <sebsebseb> and they open sourceed someting I think
[12:12] <popey> They had loads of hardware
[12:12] <popey> OpenCompute stuff. Was very interesting and cool
[12:12] <sebsebseb> What's OpenCompute?
[12:13] <popey> https://emccode.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/facebook-open-hardware.jpg
[12:13] <sebsebseb> oh ok
[12:14] <sebsebseb> popey: uh that link to, can you tell me what Ubuntu Web Browser is?  I thought they would just up in FIrefox from Konversation, but nopep
[12:15] <popey> It's the browser we use on the phone
[12:15] <popey> also works on the desktop
[12:16] <sebsebseb> popey: oh but why would my links here on the lap top be loading up in it from Konversation?
[12:16] <sebsebseb> and diddnt know there was that in here to
[12:17] <popey> no idea, I'm sure you can set default browser somehow
[12:17] <sebsebseb> popey: so Ubuntu web browser is bundled into 15.10 by default?
[12:18] <sebsebseb> yeah I guess its just set up to use the wrong one from konversation
[12:18] <popey> not sure, I'm on 14.04
[12:28] <brobostigon> packages.ubuntu.com to the rescue.
[12:53] <sebsebseb> popey: uh how come you use 14.04 ?
[12:53] <popey> I like stability
[12:53] <sebsebseb> popey: yeah 15.04 and 15.10 did both seem like mostly updating for the sake of updateing releases
[12:54] <sebsebseb> releasees because there is meant to be a release
[12:54] <foobarry> whats the best thing to check my <div>s in a page are matched up?
[12:54] <foobarry> vim doesn't do it
[12:54] <awilkins> Tidy?
[12:54] <zmoylan-pi> and intern with ocd? :-P
[12:54] <sebsebseb> popey: plus  both have been a bit buggy here and there it seems.  an issue with Kubuntu and  system error message or whatever
[12:55] <awilkins> foobarry, Are you aiming for proper XHTML?
[12:55] <foobarry> i have a gnarly page with loads of divs
[12:55]  * sebsebseb should  actaully bother and re set up this computer, and more properly next time round!  but haven't yet.  re install Windows 8.1 upgrade it back to 10.  put on Linux distros after that and :)
[12:55] <foobarry> tabulation may not be exactly correct
[12:55] <sebsebseb> end up with a nice multi boot :)
[12:55] <awilkins> sebsebseb, You can install 10 straihgt
[12:56] <sebsebseb> awilkins: well I
[12:56] <foobarry> so i want to check the parent div to an /dov
[12:56] <foobarry> a /div
[12:56] <awilkins> sebsebseb, If you have a Win7 or Win8 key it will accept it as valid
[12:56] <sebsebseb> awilkins: lap top came pre installed with Windows 8.1
[12:56] <sebsebseb> awilkins: I upgraded it to 10
[12:56] <awilkins> sebsebseb, I think it may have written your validation key to the BIOS then
[12:57] <awilkins> You should be able to install it fresh
[12:57] <sebsebseb> awilkins: I did something a bit silly for Windows,  used a program from net that may not have been the offical one it turns out.  maybe got malware in my install I don't knjow.  so to be safe I want to do a proper clean install.  yes could have mad using the recovery partion possibly, but no want to do a full re instal a proper one.  so  actasully I bought a HP re recovery USB for that purpouse
[12:57] <sebsebseb> awilkins: and a two years subscriptoin to Macafee so I would get it quicker
[12:57] <sebsebseb> for a little more
[12:57] <sebsebseb> yes Macafee sucks I know
[12:58] <foobarry> awilkins: tidy looks handy, ta
[12:58] <sebsebseb> awilkins: but not used it yet, since other things! I am just not as interested anymore in genreal in installing OS's
[12:58] <sebsebseb> setting up a computer etc
[12:58] <sebsebseb> as well so
[12:59] <sebsebseb> awilkins: apparantly I can re install from 8.1 as many times as I want that USB, and should be able to always be able to upgrade it up to 10 as well
[12:59] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00YFI1EBC
[12:59] <sebsebseb> but when I do that properly, that Windows install is the one that is meant to stay on the lap top untill the hardware breaks etc
[12:59] <popey> seen elsewhere
[12:59] <popey> amazing
[13:00] <sebsebseb> awilkins: then Linux distro fun time :).  multi booting,  especially now that I know how to actsaully get Grub 2 loading up on here first as well :),  I had missed the UEFI bios opton before since it was a bit hidden away etc
[13:01] <sebsebseb> popey: you mean the price is amazing?
[13:03] <sebsebseb> popey: for 128GB?
[13:06] <popey> and the size
[13:07] <popey> hmm, irssi is sometimes not scrolling for me
[13:08] <popey> if I bodge the text size with CTRL+ and CTRL- it updates
[13:08] <sebsebseb> popey: there was a offer to get a 128GB  Flash drive with uh forgot name now,  office suite based on Open Office sophos or something.  but  I didn't really have cash then.  plus I had got it given free to me eyars ago I think,  or an upgrade was a 32GB flash drive
[13:08] <popey> but it sits there with -more- in the status bar but wont autoscroll
[13:08] <sebsebseb> I have been thinking at times for quite a while now though, to maybe buy a 128GB at some stage
[13:08] <popey> The 128GB would be handy in my laptop, i dont use the USB 3 port much
[13:08] <popey> nice to have an extra 128GB storage
[13:09] <sebsebseb> oh actually for sotrage yeah indeed
[13:09] <sebsebseb> same I don't use USB ports much in lap top
[13:09] <sebsebseb> I do have two external hard disks, but that's more for storage etc proper storage or will be, and those are still bigger
[13:10] <popey> https://github.com/mjholtkamp/irssi-trackbar/issues/5
[13:10] <popey> gah
[13:10] <sebsebseb> order today get tommorow apaprantly free delivery in uk
[13:10] <sebsebseb> well I hope so then, gbecause I don't have Amazon prime
[13:10] <sebsebseb> popey: heh it's nice suddenly I got money again, that I can  spend a bit on tings like 128GB USB drives if I want to :)
[13:11] <sebsebseb> awilkins: yes that's what HP said,  that the key is in hardwARE OR WHATEVER
[13:12] <sebsebseb> awilkins: they woudn't just send me one for Windows 10,  nope it's the what came on lap top stuff
[13:13] <sebsebseb> popey: I need to update my Mum's lap top really.  there's certain stuff on it to really that should go on some kind of external media.  128GB USB would be useful for that partly
[13:16] <sebsebseb> and my own lap top for back up. would be useful
[13:19] <popey> reminds me, need to replace my mums computer
[13:19] <popey> getting a bit old now
[13:19] <sebsebseb> replace why?
[13:19] <popey> old/slow
[13:19] <sebsebseb> popey: My Mum's is getting a bit old for sure now to, but as long as there's still 32bit Linux should be ok for quite a few years to come it seems
[13:20] <popey> not if you use chrome / chromium
[13:20] <sebsebseb> it's from like 2003 or 2005 or somethng llike that
[13:20] <popey> no more 32-bit builds for you
[13:20] <sebsebseb> yep I have read that
[13:20] <sebsebseb> ,but she usees Firefox so :)
[13:20] <popey> which my mum uses
[13:20] <sebsebseb> I never like Chrome/Chrmium that much
[13:20] <sebsebseb> and it was Firefox that changed the brower market, made IE go more standards compliant etc
[13:22] <sebsebseb> popey: so you think that 128GB USB on amazon is the like best deal for that at the moment?
[13:22] <popey> no idea
[13:22] <sebsebseb> sounded like it earlier :)
[13:24] <popey> I just pasted a link from another channel
[13:24] <popey> it looked like a good price, but I haven't looked around
[13:25] <sebsebseb> popey: I just found a cheaper one in red, but then it's kind of like what make is that really:  http://www.mymemory.co.uk/USB-Flash-Drives/MyMemory/MyMemory-128GB-USB-3.0-Flash-Drive---Red
[13:26] <popey> I was more interested in one that was slimline
[13:26] <popey> could stay in the laptop and wouldn't get knocked out
[13:27] <sebsebseb> popey: what is slimline?
[13:28]  * awilkins has HMRC confirm that he doesn't owe them ten grand 
[13:28] <awilkins>  \O/
[13:28] <zmoylan-pi> it's 20,000... :-P
[13:28] <awilkins> Happily not
[13:28] <awilkins> Something about how their systems process payments is broke
[13:29] <sebsebseb> awilkins: why did they think you owe them such a large sum?
[13:29] <pwaring> HMRC sometimes get data late
[13:29] <awilkins> Somehow their computer was convinced that they'd actually given me a £4,000 refund instead of paying them £6,000 over three months
[13:29] <pwaring> e.g. they thought I owed them £2k a few years ago because they hadn't received confirmation that my loan had been paid of
[13:29] <popey> sebsebseb: small
[13:30] <awilkins> I usually go to Scan for most of my needs... flash included
[13:31] <awilkins> 128GB in a port-sized device : https://www.scan.co.uk/products/128gb-samsung-fit-pendrive-usb-30-ultra-slim-compact-design-read-130mb-s-write-45mb-s
[13:31] <popey> refuse to buy from scan
[13:31] <popey> its amazing they can fit stuff inside a usb stick
[13:32] <awilkins> Have Scan done the dirty on you in the past?
[13:32] <awilkins> There are advantages to living within driving distance and knowing the owner...
[13:33] <popey> They sold stolen hard drive to a friend.
[13:33] <popey> It broke, he contacted manufacturer who said "No warranty for you! That drive fell off a lorry"
[13:37] <awilkins> That sucks.
[13:37] <awilkins> To be fair, having worked there, I can believe it.
[13:37] <awilkins> (over 15 years ago now I think)
[13:38] <popey> heh
[13:43] <sebsebseb> popey: why don't you like scan?
[13:44] <sebsebseb> awilkins: yeah you kind of wonder with some of these compajies who are htey etc, but my memory for example is probably ok
[13:44] <sebsebseb> Amazon is ok usaully for stuff, but that's giving money to a massive company who uh
[13:51] <popey> look up
[13:52] <sebsebseb> heh I am not so sure about this my memory now
[13:52] <sebsebseb> where's your about company page?
[13:52] <sebsebseb> and I get linked to trust pillot
[13:52] <sebsebseb> heh
[14:10] <mapps> ugh
[14:10] <mapps> 3hrs of blackjack yesterday how un exciting
[15:07] <DJones> MooDoo: Do you still work for heart internet?
[15:13] <MooDoo> DJones: no thank fully
[15:13] <MooDoo> DJones: they are having issues at the moment
[15:13] <DJones> Yeah, that was made ask, just saw it on the register
[15:14] <MooDoo> DJones: looks like a power cut, problem is when a whole DC goes down, it's not just a simple task to put everything back on, as you're probably more than aware
[15:16] <DJones> I can believe that, would think there's so many fall back settings/tests that have to be done that it'll take ages
[15:17] <MooDoo> definately, sql corruptions, kvms not coming back on line blimey i bet the list is endless, i've not been there nearly 2 years
[15:30] <davmor2> MooDoo: just long enough for them to of forgotten you and the trojan you put in to overload their power grid right ;)
[15:31] <MooDoo> davmor2: yea that's the one lol
[15:32] <MooDoo> if date > 100216 then overload power; else reboot.
[15:35] <davmor2> MooDoo: fool you missed if date > 100216 then overload power; rm -rf /mount/backup/*; else reboot
[15:37] <MooDoo> bugger, no wonder i'm getting the wrong tweets
[15:38] <davmor2> MooDoo: logged into the wrong account by any chance?
[15:39] <MooDoo> davmor2: at one stage i did briefly think it was me, just paid for a domain and click accepts then it all went tits up
[15:39] <MooDoo> lol
[15:41] <davmor2> MooDoo: oh so the full script was  if date > 100216 and login == MooDoo then rm -rf /media/backup/*; overload power; else reboot
[15:41] <davmor2> man you are more evil than I thought ;)
[15:42] <MooDoo> ha ha ha ha ha :)
[16:10] <popey> http://www.factmag.com/2016/02/11/soundcloud-financial-report-44m-losses/
[16:10] <popey> oops
[17:14] <mapps> great
[17:14] <mapps> as expected my eyesight has got worse
[17:14] <mapps> getting older sucks:)
[17:15] <zmoylan-pi> look on the bright side as you decline you'll forget what good eyesight was like
[17:18] <mapps> heh
[17:18] <mapps> i only went as i broke my glasses..hadnt had an eye test for 4/5yrs
[17:24] <diddledan> you know the keyboard shortcuts screen that shows when you first install ubuntu? well why does it have an X icon in the top-left suggesting you can click to close the screen when it doesn’t do anything?
[17:36] <popey> known bug
[17:36] <popey> bug 1313597
[17:36] <lubotu3`> bug 1313597 in Unity 7.2 "Shortcut overlay cannot be closed by clicking the close button in 14.04" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1313597
[17:37] <diddledan> that says it’s fixed
[17:37] <diddledan> it lies
[17:38] <diddledan> this is a brand-new install of 15.10 and it’s still not working
[17:38] <diddledan> yet it says fix released which suggests to me that there’s a fix which has been release
[17:39]  * diddledan goes to find a soap box to stand on and moan :-p
[17:49] <popey> you probably wont see it because you installed from an iso that didn't have the fix
[17:49] <popey> only a new user would see it on an up to date install
[18:31] <diddledan> the iso I downloaded at 17:20 today before installing at 17:30 and then complaining at 17:40
[18:32] <diddledan> and.. considering the fix was supposedly released in 2014 then I would expect both 15.04 and 15.10 (but at a minimum 15.10) to have the fix
[18:33] <diddledan> (times may be fudged for effect)
[18:34] <diddledan> the point being that I downloaded the iso brand-new today and installed a brand-new system today
[20:07] <popey> the fix was released in may 2015
[20:07] <popey> so should have been in 15.10, but not 15.04
[20:13] <diddledan> doesn’t seem to have made it to the 15.10 iso currently available :-(
[20:14] <diddledan> hopefully 16.04 will get it as that’s an LTS so we want it to be as correct as possible out of the gate
[20:29] <popey> yeah
[20:30] <popey> feel free to leave a comment on the bug
[21:04] <diddledan> evening, daftykins
[21:04] <daftykins> hiya, how goes it?
[21:05] <diddledan> good good
[21:39] <mapps> hi;]
[21:39] <daftykins> hello chap, how do?
[21:39] <mapps> 1hr left of the lobster and man its weird
[21:40] <mapps> im good , yourself?
[21:43] <daftykins> yeah not bad ta! itching to keep busy but i'm at the mercy of much delayed deliveries right now
[21:43] <daftykins> downsides to island life :)
[21:48] <mapps> whatcha waiting for
[21:49] <daftykins> i found a brilliant intel i5 haswell (4th generation) desktop from Dell's outlet for £211 delivered
[21:50] <mapps> nice
[21:51] <daftykins> an extra £60 will double the RAM to 8GB and add a 240GB SSD :)
[22:08] <diddledan> my macbook pro’s internal batter is swollen
[22:08] <diddledan> battery**
[22:09] <diddledan> according to the internets it could cost me 170£ to get apple to replace :-(
[22:11] <daftykins> mmhmm, i wouldn't recommend cheap ones though, a mate had one that only lasted 10 charges
[22:11] <diddledan> ouch
[22:12] <daftykins> i take it you've removed it if it's possible - and/or aren't using the machine it's in anymore?
[22:12] <diddledan> it’s internal so much more difficult to replace yourself than the old style removable cartridge
[22:12] <daftykins> *nod*
[22:13] <daftykins> you're not using it right? they're a danger in that state
[22:16] <diddledan> yeah, I've shut down now and disconnected from the mains
[22:16] <diddledan> :-(
[22:17] <daftykins> i'd put it in a fireproof spot too :/
[22:17] <daftykins> i'd probably want to get to a store ASAP were it me
[22:17] <daftykins> hmm this makes me rethink the idea of sealed battery machines
[22:18] <diddledan> yeah it would be nice if I could replace it with an off-the-shelf (but official) replacement
[22:18] <diddledan> I guess I need to get a genius to look at it
[22:19] <diddledan> they need pre-booked appointments tho :-(
[22:19] <daftykins> yeah :/
[23:13] <m0nkey_> diddledan, for batteries, i think you can walk straight into the store
[23:13] <diddledan> really?
[23:13] <diddledan> it's a complex job to replace them
[23:14] <daftykins> can't be, i've had a few generations apart
[23:14] <daftykins> is it an MBP with the single alu plate underneath with a bunch of screws?
[23:14] <diddledan> yup
[23:14] <diddledan> early 2013
[23:14] <diddledan> 10,2
[23:14] <daftykins> hmm a clients mid 2010 was a few screws then couple more on the battery and job done
[23:15] <diddledan> these battery packs (6 of them) are glued-in
[23:15] <daftykins> if i were you i'd call up the support line, UK if it's 24hr or US if not - then ask if they do them in-house
[23:15] <daftykins> then you'll know whether you need an appointment or not :D
[23:15] <daftykins> meh, only enough adhesive to hold i'm sure