| flocculant | bluesabre: right - I knew you would which is why I went bluesabre > instead of ochosi > :p | 00:00 |
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| bluesabre | :D | 00:00 |
| flocculant | what can I say - there are only 3 of us :p | 00:00 |
| flocculant | I vote for making web/debian liason/docs release team till 18.04 :D | 00:01 |
| Unit193 | Whhhhut? | 00:01 |
| flocculant | *shrug* no - not many people tested that :p | 00:02 |
| Unit193 | I'm reading now, I wasn't before. | 00:02 |
| flocculant | oh rite | 00:02 |
| flocculant | need to work more on the keywords | 00:02 |
| flocculant | :p | 00:02 |
| bluesabre | :D | 00:05 |
| Unit193 | flocculant: I liked the idea of expiring at this LTS! | 00:06 |
| flocculant | I like the idea of expiring full stop at this juncture | 00:07 |
| Unit193 | But, but, but... I just upgraded another system to Xenial! I'm trying to help! :( | 00:16 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: too hacky in your opinion? https://paste.ubuntu.com/15012568/ | 00:32 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: actually working on hardware here now | 00:33 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: as in, doing hardware work or running xenial in a non-vm? | 00:34 |
| * bluesabre realizes he didn't test with a modified config | 00:35 | |
| Unit193 | What about "Any shell metacharacters will be escaped, so arbitrary shell code cannot be inserted here." ? | 00:36 |
| Unit193 | man dh_installdeb | 00:36 |
| * flocculant wonders which unasked question bluesabre refers to :) | 00:37 | |
| flocculant | unless the 'are you brave enough' | 00:38 |
| flocculant | which I understand :D | 00:38 |
| flocculant | talking to robert ancell bout my issue - which confusing me | 00:39 |
| Unit193 | For trusty, should in theory be able to just boot a vm and install xubuntu-default-settings_16.04.1_all.deb | 00:39 |
| Unit193 | dpkg-query -W -f='${Conffiles}\n' | grep obso doooon't spot the xubuntu files. >_> | 00:39 |
| bluesabre | boot vm, install newer version of greeter, tweak lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf, install that package | 00:39 |
| Unit193 | However, do you want to move their config to user? :P | 00:40 |
| bluesabre | hmmm | 00:40 |
| flocculant | lightrdm just completely confuses me now | 00:41 |
| Unit193 | etc should override, soo. | 00:41 |
| bluesabre | good point | 00:41 |
| * bluesabre spends a lot of time doing needless work | 00:42 | |
| bluesabre | rm_conffile should be sufficient | 00:43 |
| bluesabre | or maybe that's not even required | 00:44 |
| bluesabre | >.< | 00:44 |
| * flocculant feels the same way sometimes :) | 00:44 | |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Well, unless the user edited the file. :P | 00:45 |
| * bluesabre opts to not rm_conffile or mv_conffile | 00:45 | |
| * flocculant is still confused with lightdm | 00:51 | |
| flocculant | do we install stuff to /usr | 00:51 |
| flocculant | then if people want to fiddle point them to making a new file in /etc | 00:51 |
| flocculant | ? | 00:51 |
| Unit193 | flocculant: Yes. | 00:52 |
| Unit193 | flocculant: Shipping only the bare minimum in usr/ | 00:52 |
| flocculant | autologin does my head in | 00:53 |
| flocculant | might try and do and "this is default" "this is default no password" type affair | 00:54 |
| Unit193 | FWIW, /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf is shipped with everything explained and commented out. | 00:55 |
| Unit193 | And, IIRC, defaults as the values. | 00:55 |
| bluesabre | yup | 00:56 |
| flocculant | Unit193: find autologin in there where "everything explained and commented out" | 00:57 |
| bluesabre | autologin is part of lightdm conf, not the greeter | 00:57 |
| bluesabre | (iirc) | 00:57 |
| flocculant | perhaps I can't see that because of bug 1508192 | 00:57 |
| ubottu | bug 1508192 in mousepad (Ubuntu) "Mousepad search highlights hard to see" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1508192 | 00:57 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: even so - autologin should not be hidden in 370million google pages | 00:58 |
| flocculant | where the one you actually need is page 79 :) | 00:59 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: agreed | 00:59 |
| bluesabre | probably need to document it better | 00:59 |
| bluesabre | on the ubuntu wiki | 00:59 |
| bluesabre | or something | 00:59 |
| flocculant | or our's | 01:00 |
| flocculant | somewhere for sure :) | 01:00 |
| flocculant | oops | 01:01 |
| flocculant | that was a full on teenage shreak :D | 01:01 |
| flocculant | or swear | 01:02 |
| Unit193 | Wait, people use mousepad to edit system conf?! | 01:02 |
| flocculant | Unit193: only people who are lazy enough to use the shortcut they have kicking about in thunar'smenu | 01:03 |
| bluesabre | I do in a vm if I am too lazy to install vim | 01:03 |
| flocculant | that they copied from years back | 01:03 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: vi, or nano! | 01:03 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: wtf - does something really simple like nano not work once you can code? | 01:04 |
| bluesabre | I've gotten too vimmy, nano no can do | 01:04 |
| flocculant | omg | 01:04 |
| Unit193 | ...That's OK, I doubt I know how to use the GUI as well as others. :P | 01:04 |
| flocculant | I shall remember to not code then :p | 01:04 |
| bluesabre | lol | 01:04 |
| flocculant | Unit193: I can do 2/3'ds :p | 01:04 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: There's benefits of both, Ctrl+k is something I miss in vim for example. | 01:04 |
| bluesabre | code in atom or geany, configs in vim | 01:05 |
| flocculant | I just remember fails with vi/vim and sudoers | 01:05 |
| flocculant | I do like atom - it remembers stuff | 01:05 |
| flocculant | I actually used it too ;) | 01:06 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: found a bug in my ubuntu conf for the greeter, so things will look a bit different (as they were actually intended) on the next upload | 01:11 |
| flocculant | ok | 01:12 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: so - clean install it - upgrade from it ? | 01:12 |
| bluesabre | (thank Unit193 reminding me that the greeter had a template with examples) | 01:12 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: it will work fine with an upgrade | 01:12 |
| flocculant | bluesabre: we need perhaps a get-together on what we need to test | 01:13 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: alrighty | 01:13 |
| bluesabre | should just be a difference in layout | 01:13 |
| flocculant | I can even do it with a cam so we are actaully talking :D | 01:13 |
| flocculant | or a phone :) | 01:13 |
| bluesabre | :D | 01:14 |
| flocculant | AS LONG AS YOU PAY | 01:14 |
| bluesabre | then you'll hear my panicked "that's not right", "crap", "that wasn't supposed to be found" ramblings | 01:14 |
| flocculant | or free cam :D | 01:14 |
| flocculant | ha ha ha | 01:14 |
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| bluesabre | Unit193: so, an observation I have made while working on these packages, the config files don't go away on their own without explicitly using rm_conffile, even without changes | 06:39 |
| bluesabre | it might actually be best to just rm_conffile and have users recustomize, particularly since there is little config and the params have changed in the last few greeter releases | 06:40 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Files in /etc? Yeah they won't get removed if you remove the package unless you purge. | 06:44 |
| bluesabre | gotcha | 06:44 |
| bluesabre | well, with rm_conffile, user-made changes will at least be backed up, so i don't see any significant downsides to it | 06:45 |
| Unit193 | Config files, and marked as such. You can use a hack but everyone will hate you for it. :P | 06:45 |
| Unit193 | OK, just as long as you're aware. | 06:45 |
| bluesabre | cool | 06:46 |
| Unit193 | And, man you're up late. | 06:46 |
| bluesabre | yeah | 06:46 |
| bluesabre | late dinner, indigestion | 06:46 |
| bluesabre | guzzling water and burping a lot | 06:46 |
| Unit193 | Ouch. | 06:46 |
| bluesabre | :D | 06:47 |
| Unit193 | I win, just finished Battleship now Criminal Minds. Tata. | 06:47 |
| bluesabre | :) | 06:47 |
| bluesabre | other than "wily" sneaking into this commit (corrected in 597), that should do it for x-d-s, and I've got the greeter package ready to go as well | 07:19 |
| bluesabre | https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/revision/596 | 07:19 |
| bluesabre | I'll upload both in the morning | 07:19 |
| bluesabre | night all | 07:21 |
| ochosi | flocculant: maybe not relevant anymore, but i don't remember printer stuff getting removed on installing gnome-software | 07:57 |
| flocculant | flexiondotorg: didn't really mean you - I know where to hassle you :D | 09:11 |
| flocculant | ochosi: thanks - that's odder than bluesabre - pretty sure you were looking in a vm at the same time as I was originally | 09:13 |
| ochosi | flocculant: well at least i don't * | 09:50 |
| ochosi | *remember* ;) | 09:50 |
| flocculant | :) | 09:51 |
| flocculant | I'll test it all again later - I had add-apt crashing on me last night - that didn't help at all :p | 09:51 |
| Unit193 | gnome-software just hit repos. | 10:26 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Nice job! | 10:39 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: uploaded new lightdm-gtk-greeter and xubuntu-default-settings. To make it easier, wait until both hit the archive before upgrading and kicking the tires :) | 11:26 |
| bluesabre | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm-gtk-greeter/2.0.1-2ubuntu3 | 11:27 |
| bluesabre | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/16.04.1 | 11:27 |
| bluesabre | respectively ;) | 11:27 |
| bluesabre | back to bed for me, bbl | 11:29 |
| slickymasterWork | bluesabre, Unit193, flocculant, resuming from suspend gives me no networking and reboot/shutdown takes me to the login screen | 12:35 |
| slickymasterWork | did any of you guys face that? | 12:35 |
| slickymasterWork | in Xenial, of course | 12:35 |
| knome | pleia2, slickymasterWork, please look at http://wiki.xubuntu.org/website/series | 12:50 |
| slickymasterWork | morning knome :) | 12:51 |
| * slickymasterWork checks the link | 12:51 | |
| slickymasterWork | just one remark knome | 12:52 |
| slickymasterWork | the final question in the media players article | 12:53 |
| slickymasterWork | not sure if it's worth to have it | 12:53 |
| slickymasterWork | what was your idea behinfd it? | 12:53 |
| slickymasterWork | * behind | 12:53 |
| knome | it's not useful in the sense of giving users additional information, but it draws the developers closer to the community by talking about human things | 12:54 |
| knome | (eg. not only ever about technology!) | 12:54 |
| slickymasterWork | fair point | 12:54 |
| slickymasterWork | my fear that it can somehow escalate obfuscating the main point we'd like to be addressed | 12:55 |
| slickymasterWork | but I do see your point | 12:55 |
| knome | well it says briefly | 12:55 |
| knome | i was thinking about a few lines at most | 12:55 |
| knome | where the rest of the article would be worth of 3-4 paragraphs (maybe) | 12:56 |
| knome | though i don't know if everybody wishes to be so wordy | 12:56 |
| slickymasterWork | ok | 12:56 |
| knome | but *shrug* | 12:56 |
| knome | it's very intentional there :) | 12:56 |
| knome | we'll edit if flocculant goes on rambling 134534 pages long about 70's music | 12:57 |
| slickymasterWork | this article reminds me item (yet to be done) about removing the references of gmb in the documentation | 12:57 |
| knome | yeah... | 12:57 |
| knome | that said, do you think there would be some other questions that we SHOULD ask? | 12:57 |
| slickymasterWork | I'll take care of that one | 12:57 |
| knome | or that could be useful for say, your article | 12:57 |
| knome | because i totally wrote the questions based on what i want to say | 12:57 |
| knome | (maybe all of them aren't even that meaningful for many here) | 12:58 |
| slickymasterWork | no, I'd just add, in the first media players question, the streaming habit | 12:58 |
| knome | ah | 12:58 |
| slickymasterWork | lots of people these days just prefer to stream, instead of collecting their music in physical medias | 12:59 |
| slickymasterWork | but this of course takes with it the capacity/availability of a media player to stream content from spotify, soundcloud, etc | 13:01 |
| knome | yeah, but i don't know if any app works with for example spotify | 13:01 |
| knome | sure | 13:01 |
| slickymasterWork | exactly | 13:01 |
| knome | i've led to think that the team uses a good spread of media managers | 13:01 |
| knome | it might not be totally comprehensive, but then, this isn't about presenting all linux media manager | 13:02 |
| knome | +s | 13:02 |
| slickymasterWork | and just a few used the 'official' one | 13:02 |
| slickymasterWork | I for one, never come to peace with gmb | 13:03 |
| knome | and ultimately, once we know what media managers will be presented and notice a popular manager is missing, we can just throw in an "other alternatives" article | 13:03 |
| slickymasterWork | yes | 13:03 |
| slickymasterWork | on a different subject knome, have you already tested xenial? | 13:04 |
| knome | i've installed it once on vbox | 13:04 |
| bluesabre | flocculant: both are in the archive now | 13:05 |
| bluesabre | slickymasterWork: not seen that, heading out the door though | 13:05 |
| slickymasterWork | lol, was about to ask you that | 13:05 |
| slickymasterWork | knome, will you be aroung this afternoon? | 13:06 |
| * slickymasterWork has to go lunch now | 13:06 | |
| knome | to be or not to be | 13:07 |
| slickymasterWork | :) | 13:07 |
| knome | that's the question... | 13:07 |
| knome | erm, i'll be leaving from home within an hour | 13:07 |
| knome | i don't know if i'll take my laptop with me | 13:07 |
| slickymasterWork | well, I'll ping you | 13:07 |
| slickymasterWork | if not, tonight | 13:07 |
| knome | yep, do that | 13:07 |
| slickymasterWork | ok | 13:07 |
| knome | yeah, i'll be around on the evening | 13:07 |
| slickymasterWork | -> | 13:07 |
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| flocculant | knome: so I'll say "anything but country or western" then :p | 18:10 |
| knome | flocculant, that works :P | 19:16 |
| ochosi | evening all | 19:24 |
| knome | hello ochosi | 19:30 |
| ochosi | i really need to catch up on a few thinsg | 19:32 |
| ochosi | sry i haven't been able to be around much the last week or so, lotta work @work | 19:32 |
| knome | :) | 19:33 |
| davmor2 | flocculant: these are about as close to country and western as I get, do those count? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfmYCM4CS8o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRvCvsRp5ho https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ckom3gf57Yw | 19:34 |
| knome | just sent a mail to the devel mailing list so i don't have to repeat myself too many times | 19:37 |
| knome | ochosi, please read :) | 19:37 |
| bluesabre | knome: good ideas | 19:53 |
| ochosi | oh hey bluesabre | 20:02 |
| ochosi | how come you're around at this hour? | 20:02 |
| bluesabre | Pulled out my phone | 20:03 |
| ochosi | yup, good ideas knome | 20:03 |
| ochosi | oh i see | 20:03 |
| bluesabre | So not actually around ;) | 20:03 |
| ochosi | :> | 20:03 |
| bluesabre | bbl | 20:03 |
| ochosi | bluesabre, knome: hey, say, did you know about https://unsplash.com/ ? (for the wallpaper "contest") | 20:24 |
| knome | no | 20:25 |
| ochosi | there are some really nice pics there | 20:25 |
| ochosi | and it's creative commons zero license https://unsplash.com/license | 20:25 |
| ochosi | so we should be able to use those without problems | 20:26 |
| knome | mhm | 20:26 |
| ochosi | this one i like a lot: https://unsplash.com/photos/RH-17EIWprY | 20:26 |
| ochosi | nice colors | 20:26 |
| knome | not bad | 20:26 |
| ochosi | (note that the preview differs from the final pic, as it adds vignetting on top and bottom) | 20:26 |
| ochosi | there are a lot of pics with people in them, but also enough good ones without | 20:27 |
| ochosi | plus the resolution is sufficient (in all pics i tried) | 20:27 |
| pleia2 | knome: heh, they haven't responded to the ticket, but dev.x.o now exists, pointing to the wrong address | 20:47 |
| pleia2 | I'll respond | 20:48 |
| knome | lol | 20:48 |
| knome | thanks | 20:48 |
| bluesabre | evening all | 22:37 |
| bluesabre | hey slickymaster, I'd check your system logs to see if there are any events that stick out | 22:50 |
| slickymaster | will do bluesabre, tomorrow | 22:51 |
| bluesabre | slickymaster: cool | 22:51 |
| slickymaster | but I do have a confirmation of it, bluesabre | 22:51 |
| bluesabre | its unlikely to be light-locker or xfce4-power-manager directly causing it | 22:52 |
| bluesabre | buttttt, its entirely possibly | 22:52 |
| slickymaster | one of the UF admins faced the same with today's image | 22:52 |
| knome | butt? | 22:52 |
| bluesabre | knome: butt | 22:52 |
| slickymaster | who's butt? | 22:52 |
| knome | pleia2, lyyyyz! sean is calling me names! | 22:52 |
| bluesabre | :D | 22:52 |
| bluesabre | >:D | 22:52 |
| pleia2 | har | 22:53 |
| slickymaster | mummy's baby :P | 22:53 |
| knome | slickymaster, who isn't? | 22:54 |
| slickymaster | lol | 22:54 |
| slickymaster | fair point | 22:54 |
| knome | time to hack with the xubuntu theme for a change a bit | 23:12 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Anything I need to be helping with? | 23:13 |
| knome | Unit193, put your name in the wiki with your media manager of choice so i can bother you later about writing an article | 23:13 |
| knome | Unit193, no, you can't tell you love gmb so much now that you pass the stick to me. | 23:13 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: know of any pressing issues I should be focused on? | 23:14 |
| slickymaster | don't fall for that Unit193 | 23:14 |
| slickymaster | it might seem like a mermeid voice, but it's a trap | 23:15 |
| * slickymaster hides | 23:15 | |
| knome | slickymaster, yes, please add yourself there too | 23:15 |
| knome | and you, bluesabre | 23:15 |
| knome | and you, pleia2 | 23:15 |
| bluesabre | knome: I'll think on it | 23:15 |
| knome | 4 birds with one stone | 23:15 |
| slickymaster | darn | 23:15 |
| bluesabre | I have a music collection, but only stream via pandora or spotify | 23:16 |
| knome | bluesabre, then let's write about that then | 23:16 |
| Unit193 | Looks like I have vlc, vlc-nox, and ffmpeg installed. | 23:16 |
| knome | *one then | 23:16 |
| Unit193 | And like bluesabre, I use pianobar a fair bit. | 23:16 |
| knome | Unit193, we can do that too. didn't you do some mpd stuff at some point? | 23:16 |
| slickymaster | I'll speak aboutmy vinyl collection | 23:16 |
| knome | slickymaster, you can do that briefly | 23:16 |
| knome | slickymaster, and please remember, nothing about the vinyl pants! | 23:16 |
| knome | NO PICTURES EITHER | 23:16 |
| Unit193 | knome: Really I just tend to use players, not managers. | 23:17 |
| slickymaster | lmao | 23:17 |
| bluesabre | knome: added it, its not a media manager, but you can scoff at me later | 23:17 |
| knome | Unit193, i really think that's okay too. | 23:17 |
| knome | bluesabre, ta | 23:17 |
| bluesabre | maybe I'll see where rhythmbox is currently | 23:17 |
| knome | Unit193, i mean, we do want to show alternatives people can do | 23:17 |
| Unit193 | pianobar, vlc, and I've used mpv once or twice. :P | 23:18 |
| bluesabre | or tomahawk | 23:18 |
| knome | i added the history question too if you want to talk about things you used before | 23:18 |
| pleia2 | knome: but I use mplayer | 23:18 |
| knome | i have used stuff from amarok to listen to mpd before.. | 23:18 |
| knome | pleia2, that's fine as well :) | 23:18 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: I like Debian's tomahawk better. :/ | 23:18 |
| pleia2 | knome: I will look like an old lady | 23:18 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: oh? | 23:18 |
| knome | but yeah, maybe we want to group some of the "i don't use any media manager" together | 23:18 |
| Unit193 | nightingale: Installed: 1.13a-0~13196~ubuntu15.10.1 | 23:18 |
| knome | but still, please add yourself | 23:18 |
| knome | so i can track it all | 23:19 |
| pleia2 | k | 23:19 |
| Unit193 | !info tomahawk unstable | 23:19 |
| ubottu | Package tomahawk does not exist in unstable | 23:19 |
| Unit193 | !info python-tomahawk unstable | 23:19 |
| ubottu | python-tomahawk (source: tomahawk): simple ssh wrapper for executing commands into many hosts. In component main, is optional. Version 0.7.1-2 (unstable), package size 17 kB, installed size 87 kB | 23:19 |
| knome | (since no-one from you will want to lead this thing anyway ;() | 23:19 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: that... could be used to play music | 23:20 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Yep! moc baby! | 23:21 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: And no, I don't know of anything you should be looking into. Unless you want to fix the PPA versions. :P | 23:30 |
| bluesabre | oh yeah | 23:31 |
| bluesabre | should go through those | 23:31 |
| * Unit193 shrugs. | 23:31 | |
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| slickymaster | knome, do I have permissions to add a namespace to the wiki? | 23:51 |
| knome | good question. try? | 23:52 |
| slickymaster | will, just fixing the xubuntu-docs url, in the contacts page | 23:53 |
| knome | :) | 23:53 |
| slickymaster | currently there it's https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-docs | 23:53 |
| slickymaster | that last 's' doesn't belong | 23:53 |
| * bluesabre expects knome to rename xubuntu-doc to xubuntu-docs | 23:54 | |
| slickymaster | it isn't yet bluesabre | 23:55 |
| knome | i do find it a bit weird without s too | 23:55 |
| knome | but changing a team name, meh | 23:55 |
| knome | and not even name, the slug that's pointed to from gazillion places | 23:55 |
| bluesabre | (yeah, don't) | 23:55 |
| knome | yep | 23:55 |
| slickymaster | yes I can knome | 23:58 |
| slickymaster | done | 23:58 |
| knome | can what? | 23:58 |
| slickymaster | create a namespace | 23:58 |
| knome | ah :) | 23:58 |
| slickymaster | ãdded the documentation entrance | 23:58 |
| knome | when you add "====== Title ======" to namespace/start, you get to change the stupid "start" in the sitemap | 23:59 |
| slickymaster | yes, I know | 23:59 |
| slickymaster | done that I created it | 23:59 |
| slickymaster | + when | 23:59 |
| knome | :) | 23:59 |
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