[00:00] bluesabre: right - I knew you would which is why I went bluesabre > instead of ochosi > :p [00:00] :D [00:00] what can I say - there are only 3 of us :p [00:01] I vote for making web/debian liason/docs release team till 18.04 :D [00:01] Whhhhut? [00:02] *shrug* no - not many people tested that :p [00:02] I'm reading now, I wasn't before. [00:02] oh rite [00:02] need to work more on the keywords [00:02] :p [00:05] :D [00:06] flocculant: I liked the idea of expiring at this LTS! [00:07] I like the idea of expiring full stop at this juncture [00:16] But, but, but... I just upgraded another system to Xenial! I'm trying to help! :( [00:32] Unit193: too hacky in your opinion? https://paste.ubuntu.com/15012568/ [00:33] bluesabre: actually working on hardware here now [00:34] flocculant: as in, doing hardware work or running xenial in a non-vm? [00:35] * bluesabre realizes he didn't test with a modified config [00:36] What about "Any shell metacharacters will be escaped, so arbitrary shell code cannot be inserted here." ? [00:36] man dh_installdeb [00:37] * flocculant wonders which unasked question bluesabre refers to :) [00:38] unless the 'are you brave enough' [00:38] which I understand :D [00:39] talking to robert ancell bout my issue - which confusing me [00:39] For trusty, should in theory be able to just boot a vm and install xubuntu-default-settings_16.04.1_all.deb [00:39] dpkg-query -W -f='${Conffiles}\n' | grep obso doooon't spot the xubuntu files. >_> [00:39] boot vm, install newer version of greeter, tweak lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf, install that package [00:40] However, do you want to move their config to user? :P [00:40] hmmm [00:41] lightrdm just completely confuses me now [00:41] etc should override, soo. [00:41] good point [00:42] * bluesabre spends a lot of time doing needless work [00:43] rm_conffile should be sufficient [00:44] or maybe that's not even required [00:44] >.< [00:44] * flocculant feels the same way sometimes :) [00:45] bluesabre: Well, unless the user edited the file. :P [00:45] * bluesabre opts to not rm_conffile or mv_conffile [00:51] * flocculant is still confused with lightdm [00:51] do we install stuff to /usr [00:51] then if people want to fiddle point them to making a new file in /etc [00:51] ? [00:52] flocculant: Yes. [00:52] flocculant: Shipping only the bare minimum in usr/ [00:53] autologin does my head in [00:54] might try and do and "this is default" "this is default no password" type affair [00:55] FWIW, /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf is shipped with everything explained and commented out. [00:55] And, IIRC, defaults as the values. [00:56] yup [00:57] Unit193: find autologin in there where "everything explained and commented out" [00:57] autologin is part of lightdm conf, not the greeter [00:57] (iirc) [00:57] perhaps I can't see that because of bug 1508192 [00:57] bug 1508192 in mousepad (Ubuntu) "Mousepad search highlights hard to see" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1508192 [00:58] bluesabre: even so - autologin should not be hidden in 370million google pages [00:59] where the one you actually need is page 79 :) [00:59] flocculant: agreed [00:59] probably need to document it better [00:59] on the ubuntu wiki [00:59] or something [01:00] or our's [01:00] somewhere for sure :) [01:01] oops [01:01] that was a full on teenage shreak :D [01:02] or swear [01:02] Wait, people use mousepad to edit system conf?! [01:03] Unit193: only people who are lazy enough to use the shortcut they have kicking about in thunar'smenu [01:03] I do in a vm if I am too lazy to install vim [01:03] that they copied from years back [01:03] bluesabre: vi, or nano! [01:04] bluesabre: wtf - does something really simple like nano not work once you can code? [01:04] I've gotten too vimmy, nano no can do [01:04] omg [01:04] ...That's OK, I doubt I know how to use the GUI as well as others. :P [01:04] I shall remember to not code then :p [01:04] lol [01:04] Unit193: I can do 2/3'ds :p [01:04] bluesabre: There's benefits of both, Ctrl+k is something I miss in vim for example. [01:05] code in atom or geany, configs in vim [01:05] I just remember fails with vi/vim and sudoers [01:05] I do like atom - it remembers stuff [01:06] I actually used it too ;) [01:11] flocculant: found a bug in my ubuntu conf for the greeter, so things will look a bit different (as they were actually intended) on the next upload [01:12] ok [01:12] bluesabre: so - clean install it - upgrade from it ? [01:12] (thank Unit193 reminding me that the greeter had a template with examples) [01:12] flocculant: it will work fine with an upgrade [01:13] bluesabre: we need perhaps a get-together on what we need to test [01:13] flocculant: alrighty [01:13] should just be a difference in layout [01:13] I can even do it with a cam so we are actaully talking :D [01:13] or a phone :) [01:14] :D [01:14] AS LONG AS YOU PAY [01:14] then you'll hear my panicked "that's not right", "crap", "that wasn't supposed to be found" ramblings [01:14] or free cam :D [01:14] ha ha ha === slickyma1ter is now known as slickymaster === Hallo32 is now known as Justanick === sorinello_ is now known as sorinello === rww is now known as rw === rw is now known as rww === \b is now known as benonsoftware [06:39] Unit193: so, an observation I have made while working on these packages, the config files don't go away on their own without explicitly using rm_conffile, even without changes [06:40] it might actually be best to just rm_conffile and have users recustomize, particularly since there is little config and the params have changed in the last few greeter releases [06:44] bluesabre: Files in /etc? Yeah they won't get removed if you remove the package unless you purge. [06:44] gotcha [06:45] well, with rm_conffile, user-made changes will at least be backed up, so i don't see any significant downsides to it [06:45] Config files, and marked as such. You can use a hack but everyone will hate you for it. :P [06:45] OK, just as long as you're aware. [06:46] cool [06:46] And, man you're up late. [06:46] yeah [06:46] late dinner, indigestion [06:46] guzzling water and burping a lot [06:46] Ouch. [06:47] :D [06:47] I win, just finished Battleship now Criminal Minds. Tata. [06:47] :) [07:19] other than "wily" sneaking into this commit (corrected in 597), that should do it for x-d-s, and I've got the greeter package ready to go as well [07:19] https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/revision/596 [07:19] I'll upload both in the morning [07:21] night all [07:57] flocculant: maybe not relevant anymore, but i don't remember printer stuff getting removed on installing gnome-software [09:11] flexiondotorg: didn't really mean you - I know where to hassle you :D [09:13] ochosi: thanks - that's odder than bluesabre - pretty sure you were looking in a vm at the same time as I was originally [09:50] flocculant: well at least i don't * [09:50] *remember* ;) [09:51] :) [09:51] I'll test it all again later - I had add-apt crashing on me last night - that didn't help at all :p [10:26] gnome-software just hit repos. [10:39] bluesabre: Nice job! [11:26] flocculant: uploaded new lightdm-gtk-greeter and xubuntu-default-settings. To make it easier, wait until both hit the archive before upgrading and kicking the tires :) [11:27] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm-gtk-greeter/2.0.1-2ubuntu3 [11:27] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/16.04.1 [11:27] respectively ;) [11:29] back to bed for me, bbl [12:35] bluesabre, Unit193, flocculant, resuming from suspend gives me no networking and reboot/shutdown takes me to the login screen [12:35] did any of you guys face that? [12:35] in Xenial, of course [12:50] pleia2, slickymasterWork, please look at http://wiki.xubuntu.org/website/series [12:51] morning knome :) [12:51] * slickymasterWork checks the link [12:52] just one remark knome [12:53] the final question in the media players article [12:53] not sure if it's worth to have it [12:53] what was your idea behinfd it? [12:53] * behind [12:54] it's not useful in the sense of giving users additional information, but it draws the developers closer to the community by talking about human things [12:54] (eg. not only ever about technology!) [12:54] fair point [12:55] my fear that it can somehow escalate obfuscating the main point we'd like to be addressed [12:55] but I do see your point [12:55] well it says briefly [12:55] i was thinking about a few lines at most [12:56] where the rest of the article would be worth of 3-4 paragraphs (maybe) [12:56] though i don't know if everybody wishes to be so wordy [12:56] ok [12:56] but *shrug* [12:56] it's very intentional there :) [12:57] we'll edit if flocculant goes on rambling 134534 pages long about 70's music [12:57] this article reminds me item (yet to be done) about removing the references of gmb in the documentation [12:57] yeah... [12:57] that said, do you think there would be some other questions that we SHOULD ask? [12:57] I'll take care of that one [12:57] or that could be useful for say, your article [12:57] because i totally wrote the questions based on what i want to say [12:58] (maybe all of them aren't even that meaningful for many here) [12:58] no, I'd just add, in the first media players question, the streaming habit [12:58] ah [12:59] lots of people these days just prefer to stream, instead of collecting their music in physical medias [13:01] but this of course takes with it the capacity/availability of a media player to stream content from spotify, soundcloud, etc [13:01] yeah, but i don't know if any app works with for example spotify [13:01] sure [13:01] exactly [13:01] i've led to think that the team uses a good spread of media managers [13:02] it might not be totally comprehensive, but then, this isn't about presenting all linux media manager [13:02] +s [13:02] and just a few used the 'official' one [13:03] I for one, never come to peace with gmb [13:03] and ultimately, once we know what media managers will be presented and notice a popular manager is missing, we can just throw in an "other alternatives" article [13:03] yes [13:04] on a different subject knome, have you already tested xenial? [13:04] i've installed it once on vbox [13:05] flocculant: both are in the archive now [13:05] slickymasterWork: not seen that, heading out the door though [13:05] lol, was about to ask you that [13:06] knome, will you be aroung this afternoon? [13:06] * slickymasterWork has to go lunch now [13:07] to be or not to be [13:07] :) [13:07] that's the question... [13:07] erm, i'll be leaving from home within an hour [13:07] i don't know if i'll take my laptop with me [13:07] well, I'll ping you [13:07] if not, tonight [13:07] yep, do that [13:07] ok [13:07] yeah, i'll be around on the evening [13:07] -> === mhall119_ is now known as mhall119 [18:10] knome: so I'll say "anything but country or western" then :p [19:16] flocculant, that works :P [19:24] evening all [19:30] hello ochosi [19:32] i really need to catch up on a few thinsg [19:32] sry i haven't been able to be around much the last week or so, lotta work @work [19:33] :) [19:34] flocculant: these are about as close to country and western as I get, do those count? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfmYCM4CS8o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRvCvsRp5ho https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ckom3gf57Yw [19:37] just sent a mail to the devel mailing list so i don't have to repeat myself too many times [19:37] ochosi, please read :) [19:53] knome: good ideas [20:02] oh hey bluesabre [20:02] how come you're around at this hour? [20:03] Pulled out my phone [20:03] yup, good ideas knome [20:03] oh i see [20:03] So not actually around ;) [20:03] :> [20:03] bbl [20:24] bluesabre, knome: hey, say, did you know about https://unsplash.com/ ? (for the wallpaper "contest") [20:25] no [20:25] there are some really nice pics there [20:25] and it's creative commons zero license https://unsplash.com/license [20:26] so we should be able to use those without problems [20:26] mhm [20:26] this one i like a lot: https://unsplash.com/photos/RH-17EIWprY [20:26] nice colors [20:26] not bad [20:26] (note that the preview differs from the final pic, as it adds vignetting on top and bottom) [20:27] there are a lot of pics with people in them, but also enough good ones without [20:27] plus the resolution is sufficient (in all pics i tried) [20:47] knome: heh, they haven't responded to the ticket, but dev.x.o now exists, pointing to the wrong address [20:48] I'll respond [20:48] lol [20:48] thanks [22:37] evening all [22:50] hey slickymaster, I'd check your system logs to see if there are any events that stick out [22:51] will do bluesabre, tomorrow [22:51] slickymaster: cool [22:51] but I do have a confirmation of it, bluesabre [22:52] its unlikely to be light-locker or xfce4-power-manager directly causing it [22:52] buttttt, its entirely possibly [22:52] one of the UF admins faced the same with today's image [22:52] butt? [22:52] knome: butt [22:52] who's butt? [22:52] pleia2, lyyyyz! sean is calling me names! [22:52] :D [22:52] >:D [22:53] har [22:53] mummy's baby :P [22:54] slickymaster, who isn't? [22:54] lol [22:54] fair point [23:12] time to hack with the xubuntu theme for a change a bit [23:13] bluesabre: Anything I need to be helping with? [23:13] Unit193, put your name in the wiki with your media manager of choice so i can bother you later about writing an article [23:13] Unit193, no, you can't tell you love gmb so much now that you pass the stick to me. [23:14] Unit193: know of any pressing issues I should be focused on? [23:14] don't fall for that Unit193 [23:15] it might seem like a mermeid voice, but it's a trap [23:15] * slickymaster hides [23:15] slickymaster, yes, please add yourself there too [23:15] and you, bluesabre [23:15] and you, pleia2 [23:15] knome: I'll think on it [23:15] 4 birds with one stone [23:15] darn [23:16] I have a music collection, but only stream via pandora or spotify [23:16] bluesabre, then let's write about that then [23:16] Looks like I have vlc, vlc-nox, and ffmpeg installed. [23:16] *one then [23:16] And like bluesabre, I use pianobar a fair bit. [23:16] Unit193, we can do that too. didn't you do some mpd stuff at some point? [23:16] I'll speak aboutmy vinyl collection [23:16] slickymaster, you can do that briefly [23:16] slickymaster, and please remember, nothing about the vinyl pants! [23:16] NO PICTURES EITHER [23:17] knome: Really I just tend to use players, not managers. [23:17] lmao [23:17] knome: added it, its not a media manager, but you can scoff at me later [23:17] Unit193, i really think that's okay too. [23:17] bluesabre, ta [23:17] maybe I'll see where rhythmbox is currently [23:17] Unit193, i mean, we do want to show alternatives people can do [23:18] pianobar, vlc, and I've used mpv once or twice. :P [23:18] or tomahawk [23:18] i added the history question too if you want to talk about things you used before [23:18] knome: but I use mplayer [23:18] i have used stuff from amarok to listen to mpd before.. [23:18] pleia2, that's fine as well :) [23:18] bluesabre: I like Debian's tomahawk better. :/ [23:18] knome: I will look like an old lady [23:18] Unit193: oh? [23:18] but yeah, maybe we want to group some of the "i don't use any media manager" together [23:18] nightingale: Installed: 1.13a-0~13196~ubuntu15.10.1 [23:18] but still, please add yourself [23:19] so i can track it all [23:19] k [23:19] !info tomahawk unstable [23:19] Package tomahawk does not exist in unstable [23:19] !info python-tomahawk unstable [23:19] python-tomahawk (source: tomahawk): simple ssh wrapper for executing commands into many hosts. In component main, is optional. Version 0.7.1-2 (unstable), package size 17 kB, installed size 87 kB [23:19] (since no-one from you will want to lead this thing anyway ;() [23:20] Unit193: that... could be used to play music [23:21] bluesabre: Yep! moc baby! [23:30] bluesabre: And no, I don't know of anything you should be looking into. Unless you want to fix the PPA versions. :P [23:31] oh yeah [23:31] should go through those [23:31] * Unit193 shrugs. === rww is now known as ezri [23:51] knome, do I have permissions to add a namespace to the wiki? [23:52] good question. try? [23:53] will, just fixing the xubuntu-docs url, in the contacts page [23:53] :) [23:53] currently there it's https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-docs [23:53] that last 's' doesn't belong [23:54] * bluesabre expects knome to rename xubuntu-doc to xubuntu-docs [23:55] it isn't yet bluesabre [23:55] i do find it a bit weird without s too [23:55] but changing a team name, meh [23:55] and not even name, the slug that's pointed to from gazillion places [23:55] (yeah, don't) [23:55] yep [23:58] yes I can knome [23:58] done [23:58] can what? [23:58] create a namespace [23:58] ah :) [23:58] ãdded the documentation entrance [23:59] when you add "====== Title ======" to namespace/start, you get to change the stupid "start" in the sitemap [23:59] yes, I know [23:59] done that I created it [23:59] + when [23:59] :)