[00:04] ok [00:04] will try the xscreensaver [00:04] thx [00:04] will come back if something [00:05] Guillaume2: ack [01:14] Hey folks, Trying to mount a hard drive but I have to do it in read only mode due to the machine it came out of not shuting down correctly. [01:14] Can anyone help me out with that. [01:18] Bouncer: so you have a drive that's locked itself from some sort of password thing? [01:18] Bouncer: Ideally, you make sure it's entirely unmounted. Then run fsck on it. Then try mounting it again [01:19] The pc it came out of is dead [01:19] If it was encrypted, thats another ball of wax of a different aroma [01:19] It isnt encrypted [01:19] It just didnt get to shut down so im being moaned at about a hibernation state. [01:19] Then unmount, fsck, mount [01:22] It won't mount at all so I can't unmount it? [01:23] "Trying to mount a hard drive I have to do it in read only mode" I guess is what made me think it might be mounted [01:23] When I try, I Get a nice big warning tell about hibernation mode and how it should be mounted in read only. [01:24] However im an idiot and can't quite get teh command right. [01:25] Do you know what /dev/sdX it is? [01:25] sda2 [01:26] So you're trying to boot it?? [01:27] ( seein as sda is the default boot drive ) [01:27] No. === slickyma1ter is now known as slickymaster [01:28] Im xubuntu live, I just want to mount the drive and move any important files to another drive. [01:31] Then as I said earlier [01:31] (sudo) fsck /dev/sda2 ..in this case, if it's actually not mounted [01:32] returns @fsck from util-linux 2.26.2 [01:35] Please clarify [01:36] sudo fsck /dev/sda2 [01:36] the next line then says [01:36] fsck from util-linux 2.26.2 [01:37] So if it has not yet returned you to the command prompt, wait until it does so [01:37] sudo fsck /dev/sda2/ gives me some info [01:37] No trailing slash after sda2 [01:38] That is all it gives [01:38] It then returns me to command promt [01:38] With the slash I get this [01:38] fsck from util-linux 2.26.2 e2fsck 1.42.12 (29-Aug-2014) fsck.ext2: Not a directory while trying to open /dev/sda2/ The superblock could not be read or does not describe a valid ext2/ext3/ext4 filesystem. If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2/ext3/ext4 filesystem (and not swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblock: e2fsck -b 81 [01:38] Just: sudo fsck /dev/sda2 [01:38] NOT sudo fsck /dev/sda2/ [01:41] I tried that. [01:41] It gives me this [01:41] fsck from util-linux 2.26.2 [01:41] then returns to prompt./ === Hallo32 is now known as Justanick [01:43] Bouncer: Then try to mount it and see what it says [01:43] Error mounting /dev/sda2 at /media/xubuntu/2EF43117F430E2AF: Command-line `mount -t "ntfs" -o "uhelper=udisks2,nodev,nosuid,uid=999,gid=999" "/dev/sda2" "/media/xubuntu/2EF43117F430E2AF"' exited with non-zero exit status 14: Windows is hibernated, refused to mount. Failed to mount '/dev/sda2': Operation not permitted The NTFS partition is in an unsafe state. Please resume and shutdown Windows fully (no hibernation or fast restarti [01:44] Ah, ntfs [01:45] :) [01:45] Bouncer: sudo ntfsfix -d /dev/sda2 ...then see if you can mount it after that [01:46] Might need to install the package which contains it [01:46] Mounting volume... Windows is hibernated, refused to mount. FAILED Attempting to correct errors... Processing $MFT and $MFTMirr... Reading $MFT... OK Reading $MFTMirr... OK Comparing $MFTMirr to $MFT... OK Processing of $MFT and $MFTMirr completed successfully. Setting required flags on partition... OK Going to empty the journal ($LogFile)... OK Windows is hibernated, refused to mount. Remount failed: Operation not permitted [01:50] so a windows drive problem? [01:50] yup [01:51] If you just want to pull files off, try with readonly option. eg: sudo mount -o ro /dev/sda2 /media/xubuntu/2EF43117F430E2AF [01:53] ntfs-3g-mount: failed to access mountpoint /media/xubuntu/2EF43117F430E2AF: No such file or directory [01:55] Then: mkdir mnt && sudo mount -o ro /dev/sda2 ~/mnt [01:55] maybe umount first [01:56] Bouncer: Just in case it's already mounted, as flocculant suggests: sudo umount /dev/sda2 [01:57] We have a winnder [01:57] WInner [01:57] Great, now I can go grab beer [01:58] \o/ [01:58] Heh [01:58] Wait till I Tell him I Now have to mount another drive but I Need to be able to righ to it. [01:58] to move the stuff to. [01:58] Hopefully they didn't hibernate the other one. [01:59] another issue - moving on ... [01:59] rror mounting /dev/sdb1 at /media/xubuntu/Storage: Command-line `mount -t "ntfs" -o "uhelper=udisks2,nodev,nosuid,uid=999,gid=999" "/dev/sdb1" "/media/xubuntu/Storage"' exited with non-zero exit status 14: The disk contains an unclean file system (0, 0). Metadata kept in Windows cache, refused to mount. Failed to mount '/dev/sdb1': Operation not permitted The NTFS partition is in an unsafe state. Please resume and shutdown Windows [02:00] Bouncer: Put the drive back in the system it came from, have them shut it all the way off and not into hibernate or suspend [02:00] Then it will be mountable read/write [02:00] Thing is there is no OS on the drive. [02:00] It is just media files. [02:01] Bouncer: back it all up - to ext4 - come back afterwards [02:01] You could try the force option, but it's dangerous [02:01] I have no where to back it up to. [02:01] when the backup fails [02:02] Bouncer: yes you do - we all do - we just don't see them [02:02] Its 1TB [02:02] I Don't have any drives anywhere near that size. [02:03] we can't help in #xubuntu, try #ubuntu - they are not DE agnostic [02:03] thanks man [02:04] Bouncer: If it never was bootable anyhow, I'd try: mkdir mnt2 && sudo mount -o force,rw /dev/sdb2 ~/mnt2 ... and then delete the file on the drive called hiberfil.sys ...then sudo umount /dev/sdb2 ... then try normal mount [02:05] It used to be an OS Drive. [02:05] It was wiped but not formated. [02:05] so there must be some trace of an OS still left on it [02:05] Seems so [02:08] hello all. i recently made a mistake partitioning and made a /usr/local partition, while installing kali on another partition. i wanted the /usr/local partition to be my shared, data storage partition for music and such but i misunderstood the meaning of /usr/local. can i simply put the files in this partition into my root / partition (kali)? what mount option (/, /usr/ etc) should i have used in this case? [02:08] Well I've got access, THats a start, I will try throw the stuff I Need up to mega. [02:08] Thanks for being pateint. [02:09] Bouncer: At any rate, I'm headed out but will be around tomorrow 9:30am-ish to 6pm-ish EDT [02:09] ( if no solution before then) [02:10] Its fine, I'll back it up to the clound, Then download it to the media drive via windows. [02:10] There ya go then [02:15] can anyone help me with my partitions? [02:32] What kind of help do you need xubuntu200 ? [02:33] i messed up my partitions [02:33] i recently made a mistake partitioning and made a /usr/local partition, while installing kali on another partition. i wanted the /usr/local partition to be my shared, data storage partition for music and such but i misunderstood the meaning of /usr/local. can i simply put the files in this partition into my root / partition (kali)? what mount option (/, /usr/ etc) should i have used in this case? [02:38] You want to move the files that are in your /usr/local partition to your / partition right? [02:38] How many installs do you have on that hdd? [02:40] i have windows 8 , xubuntu and kali [02:41] i want my sda 6 to be a shared partition for my linux systems [02:43] i just didn't do enough research before partitioning and now i have a massive partition set as /usr/local with files in it from the kali install ( i'm assuming). i want to know where to move those files, in order to free up that partition. [02:44] The files that are in the /usr/local partition, are they system files, or private files xubuntu200 ? [02:44] Do you happen to know? [02:44] i think they are system files [02:44] from the kali install [02:45] bin /etc / lib / share / src there are more [02:46] Ok, yeah they are..so what OS are you using right now xubuntu200 ? [02:47] i am in xubuntu [02:48] Ok nice, now can I ask you something? Are you able to just reinstall kali? [02:48] yeah sure lol i guess thats the easiest solution [02:48] Although not the ONLY solution. lol [02:49] How large is the kali partition man? [02:49] i just want to know more about the mount defenitions and what usr/local really means and what those files are anyways [02:49] I am assuming that they are the files that are outside of root. [02:49] xubuntu and kali are on 25gb partitions and i have a shared partition that is 400 [02:50] see i dont even know what that means [02:50] You probably have your root partition, and then the / fileysystem in that /usr/local partition..right? [02:50] no, i dont believe so [02:51] The 400gb is /usr/local? [02:51] i installed kali on a seperate partition sda 4 and set 4 to / [02:51] the 400 gb is my local lol [02:51] The 400gb partition is your /usr/local? [02:52] yes [02:52] Ok cool, and its labeled as what please? [02:52] 421gb volume [02:54] ill just reinstall and learn more about mount and partition stuff thanks for the help [02:54] I mean as sda what? [02:54] Wait, I may be able to help you not have to do that. [02:55] Open gparted and tell me when its opened please xubuntu200 . [02:57] dev sda8 [02:57] ext4 [03:01] Nice, and you want to move what is on sda8 to what partition xubuntu200 ? [03:02] somewhere, so that i can use that large partition for media storage [03:03] No, I mean what is the name of the partition that kali is on? [03:08] http://s12.postimg.org/s8kdyh8v1/Screenshot_02102016_10_07_19_PM.png [03:10] ok so i guess i understand what happened [03:13] I am actually dumbfounded. I would just reinstall kali man. [03:14] lol thanks [03:15] what started to mess me up in the first place is this whole uefi thing. im new to it all and i was sick of windows 10 so i started going razy with linux but ive forgotten so much but ill get it back === sorinello_ is now known as sorinello [03:41] Quick question - when I go to the desktop settings panel to change my wallpaper, the default backgrounds don't show up [03:41] I have the folder set to "backgrounds" [03:48] Trying to set to the default 15.10 wallpaper [03:59] Also another question, is "OpenJDK Java 8 Policy Tool" necessary software? I don't know if this was installed by defeault or if it is a remnant of software I've uninstalled === rww is now known as rw === rw is now known as rww === \b is now known as benonsoftware [07:05] Hi. A new user in xubuntu is asked if he wants to set the default panel or an empty one. where can I disable this question and always set the default panel? [07:54] im using xubuntu 15.10 on my toshiba sattellite laptop i downloaded linux mint formatted a kingston 8 gig usb disc to fat 32 opened unet boot in and it loaded 70% and stopped what now ? [07:55] oh here it goes [09:39] Hello everybody. Does anybody know when Xubuntu 14.04.4 will be released? [09:45] pjotter: Plan is on 18th Feb. [09:47] pjotter: we'll start testing weekend/early next week - perhaps you could join in - certainly if I don't see sufficient testing for it I will not be marking it for release and we won't actually get a point release [10:06] How does this testing work? Just try it out and report what problems you encounter? [12:25] bonjour, après install xubuntu 14.04 LTS sur asus eeepc 1000H redémarrage écran noir! cg : [12:25] !fr | xubuntu066 [12:25] xubuntu066: Nous sommes desoles mais ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en français, veuillez taper /join #ubuntu-fr ou /join #ubuntu-qc. Merci. [12:26] bonjour, après install xubuntu 14.04 LTS sur asus eeepc 1000H redémarrage écran noir! cg : , [12:27] xubuntu066, please don't repeat; this channel is english only [12:28] Xubuntu and Eee is not agood mix. O have two Eee-Pc's and both have problems running (X)ubuntu. Among them random screenblanking and such. [12:30] What -might- help in the case that the Eee is stuck on a blank screen is: Remove battery's reboot the computer on regular power , then insert batteries again and reboot. With me, this helps sometimes. === PowerKiller2 is now known as PokeGuy [13:41] Can someone remind me how to mount a NTFS drive in RO mode, [13:43] Hey [13:47] I've tried this [13:47] sudo mount -o ro /dev/sdb2 /media/storage [13:48] I get failed to mount no such file or directory exsists [13:52] #join channel [13:53] #joinchannel test [13:58] Any suggestions at all. [14:04] <`qq> xubuntu01w: you're mounting a local device onto /media/storage which doesn't exist [14:04] 'qq What should I do then? [14:04] <`qq> oh sorry NTFS ... i read NFS [14:04] I had it mounted last night but I forgot the command [14:05] <`qq> xubuntu01w: yes sorry. does /media/storage exist? [14:06] storage was just a shoft name I used [14:07] the actual error is a long sting on numbers and text [14:09] <`qq> if /media/storage exist can you see /dev/sdb2? you can try lsblk see if you spot it [14:11] Error mounted /dev/sdb2 at /media/alan/2EF43117F430E2AF: Command-line 'mount -t "ntfs" -o "uhelper=udisk2,nodev,nosuid,uid=1000,gid=1000" "dev/sdb2" "/media/alan/2EF43117F430E2AF" exited with a non-zero exit status 14: Windows is hibernated, refused to mount. Failed to mount 'dev/sdb2': Operation not permitted The NTFS partition is in an unsafe stage. PlEASE RESUME AND SHUTDOWN wINDOWS FULL (NO HIBERNATION OR FAST RESTARTING) O [14:12] y with the ro mount ption [14:13] sdb2 is indeed the drive I am trying to mount [14:14] i can see in in lsblk [14:14] <`qq> are you missing a / ? [14:14] <`qq> from Failed to mount "dev/sdb2" [14:14] <`qq> should be "/dev/sdb2" [14:15] I typed it error manually# [14:15] So might just be a typing error [14:15] the xubuntu machine doesn't have access currently [14:15] internet access [14:15] or I would just copy and paste [14:16] <`qq> did you boot into windows and not shutdown properly? [14:16] Basically. [14:16] <`qq> ok [14:17] The PC died suddenly so there was no shutdown. [14:17] <`qq> see here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/462381/cant-mount-ntfs-drive-the-disk-contains-an-unclean-file-system [14:17] <`qq> you can try sudo ntfsfix /dev/sdb2 [14:18] <`qq> xubuntu01w: basically your ntfs partition is in limbo right now. [14:18] Yea [14:18] <`qq> either try the ntfsfix, or reboot into it if you can [14:18] I can't reboot into it. [14:18] <`qq> ok, sudo ntfsfix then [14:18] Its from a completely different system. [14:18] <`qq> ah [14:19] Someone gave me a command to get it mounted last night and I started backing it up, But I went to bed. [14:19] I forgot to take note of the comand. [14:19] <`qq> do a man ntfsfix [14:19] <`qq> the command you had is the right one [14:20] sudo ntfsfix? [14:20] <`qq> read the man page first [14:20] <`qq> yes [14:20] Does work. [14:20] I remeber this last night# [14:20] <`qq> so you're good!? [14:21] Mistype. [14:21] Doesnt work [14:21] Windows is hibernating, refuserd to mount. FAILED [14:21] <`qq> that's the result of the ntfsfix? [14:21] Thats the first part of it [14:22] <`qq> try sudo ntfsfix -dn /dev/sdb2 [14:23] <`qq> the d clears the vol dirty flag [14:23] <`qq> the n means don't do anything. just show me what would have been done [14:24] okay [14:24] it says Mounting Volume... okay [14:25] tells me that the NTFS was processed successfully [14:25] <`qq> ok you could give it a go [14:25] <`qq> but i just found this: [14:25] <`qq> http://askubuntu.com/questions/204166/how-do-i-mount-a-hibernated-ntfs-partition [14:25] <`qq> so the drive is hibernated i think [14:25] so sudo ntfsfix -d /dev/sdb2 [14:26] <`qq> ok try [14:26] failed [14:26] <`qq> ok /me think need to remove hibernation file [14:26] there is no hibernation file on the hdd [14:27] <`qq> it's a mount option [14:27] Tried to remove it last night. [14:27] <`qq> sudo mount -o remove_hiberfile /dev/sdb2 [14:27] <`qq> did you do it through mount option? [14:29] <`qq> oh the remove_hiberfile no longer works :( [14:29] <`qq> sorry! all out of ideas [14:29] <`qq> maybe ask on a channel more connected with ntfs [14:30] I don't even know where to go. [14:32] <`qq> there is an #ntfs channel [14:33] <`qq> xubuntu01w: still here? [14:33] <`qq> found something [14:33] yup [14:33] <`qq> according to the arch wiki you can try using the UUID instead of device name [14:35] <`qq> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NTFS-3G#Damaged_NTFS_filesystems [14:36] When I click on the drive to mount it [14:37] It says error mounting /dev/sba2 at /media/alan/2EF43117F430E2AF [14:38] That sting is actually the UUID [14:41] <`qq> confirm it by doing lsblk --output NAME,SIZE,MOUNTPOINT,LABEL,UUID [14:42] <`qq> and then do sudo mount UUID= /mountdir [14:42] <`qq> i gotta go. good luck!! [14:47] genii did you help me with a hard drive last night? [14:48] genii please tell me it was you. [14:51] xubuntu01w: If it was the two NTFS drives where they were shut down in Hibernate instead of a full off, then yes [14:51] WOO [14:52] I need you once again. [14:53] xubuntu01w: So long as you can put up with long periods where I have to be away from the computer because I'm at work, I'm at your disposal [14:53] kk [14:53] I've spent the last hour dealing with people telling me I can't mount the drive. [14:53] Even thought you got it up last night., [14:53] Same drive. [14:54] I just need to get it mounted again. [14:54] So I can finish backing it up. [14:55] I just cannot remeber the command you gave me to get it mounted. [14:55] I tried sudo mount -o ro /dev/sdb2 /media/alan/2EF43117F430E2AF [15:00] xubuntu01w: You have the drives in there now and on livecd? [15:01] I now have xubuntu installed on 1 drive [15:01] and the 2nd drive is the one that was mounted last night. [15:02] The drive I need acces to is /dev/sdb2 [15:19] xubuntu01w: So then:sudo umount /dev/sdb2 && mkdir mnt && sudo mount -o ro /dev/sdb2 ~/mnt [15:19] Sorry on lag, had a delivery come in, then Bell techs walkaround to decide wiring routes [15:21] can someone give me a hand with some pdf shanenigans? [15:21] http://imgur.com/o27yLGy,iGTGsu1,ofQt5Cc,cCin3XM [15:21] :( [15:22] xubuntu01w: This is just the drive you need read-only access to, yes? [15:22] yea [15:22] I'm on Xubuntu 14.04LTS - when I hit alt + f2 and the application finder comes up, I cannot figure out how to open the terminal (I think it should be xfce4-term). Does anyone know why it's unlisted? [15:23] im using a software that creates labels for my books, if i open the pdf on linux it looks awesome but if i send to print from evince all the text ends crammed on a single letterbox, if i open the pdf on windows the spacing between the letters is all wrong, if i open the pdf using evince on windows each letter has a box around it and prints like that [15:24] I must have made an error somewhere [15:24] unmount command not found [15:24] GridCube, if the software offers an option to save text as paths, that should at least fix your issue [15:25] GridCube, of course, the files aren't copy-pasteable after that, but it's likely not a problem since you are "only" printing them anyway [15:25] yes, that sounds good, but i don't understand the php code can i show you? [15:26] xubuntu01w: umount, NOT unmount [15:26] xubuntu01w: No "n" after the u [15:26] /dev/sdb2: not mounted [15:27] i wonder if a different pdf on linux has a different printer [15:27] xubuntu01w: Thats fine. Just doing it as a precaution in case it actually was already mounted [15:27] but probably not [15:28] kk [15:30] GridCube, i likely don't have time to look at it now (and i'm not too familiar with pdf creating with php (even if that interests me for several reasons)), but you can definitely link me to it and i might have a look later :) [15:30] xubuntu01w: If all went well, should be able to see the files now in the /home/your-username/mnt directory [15:31] Nope [15:31] Drive isnt mounted [15:32] Can't even access that directory [15:32] xubuntu01w: Try then just the next two commands that were given after that.So: mkdir mnt && sudo mount -o ro /dev/sdb2 ~/mnt [15:33] xubuntu01w: I should have put ; instead of && after the first command, my error [15:34] cannot creat directot mnt file exists [15:34] Cannot create directory 'mnt' : file exists [15:35] xubuntu01w: So then go to the last command: sudo mount -o ro /dev/sdb2 ~/mnt [15:35] Any error message there, or just back to prompt? [15:35] I owe you a beer. [15:36] xubuntu01w: I assume you can see files in there now :) [15:37] yup [15:37] Greatly apprecated [15:37] xubuntu01w: Glad to assist [15:37] * genii wanders off for a smoke [15:37] I have photos from my engagement party on there I though I had lost years ago, Only to find them on there last night. [15:37] So I was a tad annoyed I couldn't get it mounted this morning. [15:41] xubuntu01w: If you want to actually make it so the system can automount it properly, we can do that too if you like. [15:41] There not much on it that I actually need. [15:41] I was only looking at it to see if I could wipe it, Then found those pictures [15:41] xubuntu01w: So in that case just better to yank off the important suff, repartition and format [15:41] Once I get them off it will be reformated. [15:42] Yea thats the plan. [15:42] I really like xubuntu [15:42] It is stupidly lightweight. [15:42] xubuntu01w: If you format to a linux filesystem make sure you change the partition type also [15:42] ( otherwise automounting doesn't work) [15:43] Yea I've used linux on and off for a over the past 10 years, the whole windows didnt shut down properly is something I have never managed to sort. [15:43] I alway have issues with linux. [15:46] My NIC MAC Address is apprently 11:22:33:44:55:66 which means I can't get online. [15:46] And my wireless card isn't even deteched atm. [15:50] That MAC looks like something you might see in a bonded connection [15:51] ( or something a supposed MAC spoofer might produce) [15:51] Yea its a driver issue last time anyway,. [15:51] Im sure it was. [15:52] If I manually set my MAC address then all is good. === Executioner` is now known as Executioner [16:16] Hello. Does anyone here use the paint program Krita? It freezes on my Desktop in a way that I cannot seem to recover from (aside from switching to different tty and rebooting). Any suggestions welcome. [16:34] How do I install ipcop? [16:55] ipcop has its own iso,, http://www.ipcop.org/ [16:56] take a look there for the download and install info. [16:56] its a distro of its own [18:27] hey! [18:29] I wonder if any of you guys have run Xubuntu live and tried the toram option at boot. if it worked for you and If you found any problem making it happen === dreamon_ is now known as dreamon === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [21:00] Hello, i installed xubuntu and all its ok... but... on some apps like vlc, spotify... the language of the app shows all in squares... [21:01] tryed all i can from the settings but i cannot fix it... help please [21:02] xubuntu16w: what language? What xubuntu release? [21:03] latest stable... 14.04 i guess [21:03] i have the default language as portuguese [21:11] yes the xubuntu is the 14.04.3 LTS [21:15] probably its better to use the forums, any way thank you xangua [21:15] cya you around [21:22] JOIN [21:22] hi [21:22] anybody there? [21:23] yes [21:23] if you have a support question, just ask [21:23] I am asking about Xubuntu Core iso [21:24] is there a plan to release a core iso of xubuntu which is stripped down and does not contain any extras [21:24] ? [21:24] dont refer me to https://unit193.net/xubuntu/core/ [21:24] because? [21:25] so I can start building my own [21:25] on top of the core [21:25] I need an offical iso [21:26] http://xubuntu.org/news/introducing-xubuntu-core/ is the original, official announcement [21:26] there is no official ISOs yet [21:26] also, if you are planning to build on top of xubuntu (even core), please read http://xubuntu.org/dev/derivatives/ [21:27] if I download the minimal iso, and download on top the core [21:27] how can I backup the distro ? [21:28] as to create my own iso version of my currnt system [21:28] xubuntu02w, this is not completely trivial, and i suggest you get familiar with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization [21:29] saw it. its difficult and hard to follow [21:29] .... [21:29] Knome [21:29] there is no shortcut. [21:29] I need to buil my own remix xubuntu [21:29] then you need to learn what's on the page [21:30] are you a buntu developer? [21:30] i'm involved with xubuntu, yes. [21:31] I found a tool called pinguy http://pinguyos.com/2015/09/pinguy-builder-an-app-to-backupremix-buntu/ [21:31] to build a remix buntu [21:31] but... [21:32] I heard that Xubuntu is planing to release a Core version? [21:32] if you actually paid attention to what i said/pasted before, you'd know all the details there is published about it. [21:33] I already read and know what you pasted to me [21:33] then you know the answer to your own question. [21:34] what is the time where you are? [21:35] i don't know how that is relevant === mnepton is now known as mneptok === rww is now known as ezri