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| * _Sponge checks his watch. http://i.imgur.com/tqUNgSj.jpg | 09:08 | |
| _Sponge | It's Friday \o/ Yay ! | 09:08 |
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| _Sponge | Morning everyone. | 09:09 |
| mcphail | !yay | _Sponge | 09:10 |
| ubot5` | _Sponge: Glad you made it! :-) | 09:10 |
| mcphail | Nice timepiece | 09:10 |
| zzarr | hello! where is the android lxc located in a preinstalled ubuntu-touch image? | 09:47 |
| mardy | mpt: hi! I guess I should also show the package name (in the form com.ubuntu/Mail) in the secondary text in this page, right? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OnlineAccounts?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=phone-accounts-account.png | 10:17 |
| Smurphy | _Sponge: *lol* Nice wrist Watch you got there ... | 10:18 |
| mpt | mardy, hmm, I don’t know. If we did, we’d need to show it here too: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityPermissions#Permission_lists | 10:18 |
| mpt | mardy, we should ask tvoss | 10:18 |
| bshah | sil2100: morning | 10:18 |
| popey | Nice keyboard too! | 10:19 |
| Smurphy | Guys - instead of Twitter - put Wahtsapp into the phone. | 10:19 |
| popey | Ok! | 10:19 |
| popey | I'll get right on that. | 10:19 |
| mardy | mpt: I vote for adding it, because it's not uncommon for an app and scope to have the same display name (like: Vkontakte, Facebook, Instagram) | 10:19 |
| mardy | mpt: this would let the user tell them apart (assuming that the icon is also the same) | 10:20 |
| mpt | mardy, for a very geeky definition of “the user”, but yeah | 10:20 |
| mardy | :-) | 10:20 |
| mardy | mpt: well, it's something: otherwise there might be absolutely no hint to tell two apps apart | 10:21 |
| sil2100 | bshah: morning :) | 10:22 |
| sil2100 | bshah: any luck with 'teh branch'? | 10:22 |
| bshah | sil2100: so your final patch seems to work fine :) | 10:22 |
| karlo1941 | ? | 10:22 |
| Smurphy | ! | 10:23 |
| tvoss | mpt, what would be design's proposal to solve the issue that mardy mentions? glad for other suggestions | 10:23 |
| sil2100 | Yay ;) Just hope that there were no other hidden issues with repacking the keyring | 10:23 |
| bshah | though I can't test that image "works" | 10:23 |
| bshah | because shadeslayer don't have access to e5 for 2 week | 10:23 |
| sil2100 | bshah: it seems it's been really long since we last used the 'keyring=' option anywhere, so this part of the code was a bit left for dead | 10:23 |
| mpt | tvoss, I don’t know … I wish there was a better one, though | 10:24 |
| tvoss | mpt, so display of the app id is not optimal, admittedly, but anything we can do has to be based on it | 10:25 |
| mpt | tvoss, I wonder if we could use something like those auto-generated avatars on Web sites that are based on the commenter’s e-mail address | 10:27 |
| tvoss | mpt, hmmm, interesting idea | 10:29 |
| mpt | They’re called identicons, apparently https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identicon | 10:29 |
| tvoss | mpt, but we would have to educate the user what they actually mean, too | 10:29 |
| mpt | yes | 10:30 |
| tvoss | mpt, can you take that conversation back to design? | 10:31 |
| mpt | sure | 10:31 |
| tvoss | mpt, ideally, we would even surface the identicon in the store | 10:33 |
| bshah | sil2100: one feature request or minor bug that is hunting me.. so if I publish only one image in channel still it generates delta files and that is just time consuming | 10:35 |
| bshah | anyway to disable delta generation? | 10:35 |
| sil2100 | bshah: hm, you mean you publish just one image in a channel (i.e. no other images were in that channel) it generates a delta still? | 10:55 |
| sil2100 | bshah: a delta shouldn't be generated then, not if you didn't define a custom deltabase | 10:56 |
| sil2100 | bshah: but anyway, it's possible to disable delta generation for a channel in overall, but then you get no deltas | 10:56 |
| mardy | mpt: meanwhile, would it be fine if I add the package line as we do in the trust store prompts? | 10:57 |
| mpt | mardy, sure | 10:57 |
| bshah | sil2100: I've defined | 11:05 |
| bshah | versionbase = 1 | 11:05 |
| bshah | fullcount = 1 | 11:05 |
| bshah | still it generatees delta. | 11:05 |
| sil2100 | bshah: you don't want to have deltas at all in the channel? | 11:11 |
| bshah | no.. | 11:11 |
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| matv1 | ogra_ question about that logitech K480. Do you actually use it for the bq tablet? Does it sit well in the holder? is it wide enough for that? | 11:46 |
| jjardon | Hi, does ubuntu-touch have a special mechanism to store status/data of the phone in case power loss? | 11:49 |
| ogra_ | matv1, i dont have a bq tablet (yet) .... i use it with my old N7 currently | 12:04 |
| ogra_ | matv1, but i would expect the bq to fit ... perhaps popey knows | 12:04 |
| ogra_ | i know there are such kbd's in the canonical office so i would expect *someone* to have tried that | 12:04 |
| popey | I dont have a bq tablet | 12:05 |
| matv1 | oh my | 12:06 |
| popey | happy to measure the k380 though | 12:06 |
| ogra_ | popey, no, but you are at the office at times and could have seen one sitting in a k480 kbd :) | 12:06 |
| ogra_ | matv1, why oh my ? | 12:06 |
| popey | JMulholland oi oi, have you seen any Logitech (black and yellow) Bluetooth keyboards around? Fancy jamming a BQ M10 into it to see if it fits? :) | 12:06 |
| ogra_ | the slot has a lot of wiggle room if i use the n7 | 12:07 |
| matv1 | well ogra_ and popey not even having used a phisical bq tablet is not what i expected if you guys are releasing it in a month or something | 12:08 |
| popey | Plenty of others have them | 12:08 |
| popey | Not everyone needs one | 12:08 |
| matv1 | ah! | 12:08 |
| ogra_ | matv1, i dont work on the phone team since about a year now :) | 12:08 |
| anpok | yeah the ones that have one play remote controlled testers | 12:08 |
| ogra_ | i'm a normal customer, like you :) | 12:09 |
| anpok | which is kind of nice.. delegating testing some one else .. you can focus on generatig ideas | 12:09 |
| ogra_ | anpok, does that mean you casn call yourself an "architect" now ? | 12:09 |
| ogra_ | (seems to be a fashionable thing :) ) | 12:09 |
| anpok | yeah.. solution architect maybe | 12:10 |
| matv1 | ogra_ popey ok cool :) | 12:12 |
| victor_bq | Hi all! | 12:16 |
| victor_bq | someone to lend a hand with two customers? | 12:17 |
| victor_bq | =) | 12:17 |
| popey | victor_bq: what's up? | 12:18 |
| victor_bq | well I've got two customer experiencing this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1508081 | 12:19 |
| ubot5` | Launchpad bug 1508081 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "Fails to receive OTA updates" [High,In progress] | 12:19 |
| popey | have you seen comment #18 from Ken? | 12:20 |
| victor_bq | ok, I'll give them those instructions | 12:21 |
| victor_bq | and if the problem remains? something else to do? | 12:21 |
| popey | I wonder if opening the terminal and manually running "system-image-cli" will do it. barry or kenvandine may know... | 12:22 |
| victor_bq | well enough for me =), if the problem persists I'll contact again | 12:22 |
| victor_bq | thanks popey! | 12:23 |
| popey | np | 12:23 |
| matv1 | popey victor bq if i may jump in. I distinctly remember ogra_ saying that to another person with the same problem, which resolved it then. about a week ago i think | 12:23 |
| popey | handy to know | 12:24 |
| victor_bq | great! | 12:24 |
| popey | thanks matv1 | 12:24 |
| victor_bq | thanks =) | 12:24 |
| matv1 | but i have no way to confirm as i do not know how to recreate the failing ota | 12:24 |
| victor_bq | Well, no problem I'll let you know in the bug if it worked for this 2 customers ;) | 12:25 |
| matv1 | cool, i hope it does | 12:26 |
| sil2100 | bshah: sorry, went to lunch - anyway, if you don't want to have deltas at all in a given channel, just add 'deltabase = ' to the channel config | 12:36 |
| bshah | oh okay | 12:37 |
| sil2100 | bshah: this basically means that no deltas will be generated, only full images | 12:37 |
| bshah | ok | 12:37 |
| sil2100 | (it will generate a warning but work as intended) | 12:37 |
| sil2100 | But yeah, OTA updates will be big then | 12:38 |
| bshah | well plasma mobile is still under development so we don't have kind of OTA update etc | 12:44 |
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| popey | ogra_: what's the best low price ubuntu compatible arm device that I could use for building? | 13:46 |
| popey | Preferably something that has sata port or some other decent size storage (i.e. not a phone) | 13:46 |
| ogra_ | depends ... if you want to fiddle a little i'd go with a bananaPi ... that has SATA | 13:48 |
| ogra_ | (natively) | 13:48 |
| ogra_ | else rpi with snappy in a classic shell (that gets you a full apt env in the 16.04 images) | 13:48 |
| popey | if I went rpi I'd probably just go for normal ubuntu images | 13:50 |
| popey | actually, I have a bananapi! | 13:52 |
| popey | i think | 13:52 |
| popey | \o/ i do | 13:53 |
| popey | ogra_: do we have a snappy image for the banana pi? | 13:56 |
| ogra_ | not anymore, no | 13:56 |
| ogra_ | we used to in 15.04 ... but that wouldnt help you much | 13:57 |
| ogra_ | but i bet you will find some ubuntu image somewhere for it | 13:57 |
| popey | bah | 13:57 |
| popey | actually 15.04 would help | 13:58 |
| popey | because I want to build stuff for 15.04 :) | 13:58 |
| ogra_ | for snappy ? | 13:59 |
| popey | oh, no | 13:59 |
| popey | so probably best to go for tranditional deb based image | 13:59 |
| ogra_ | right | 13:59 |
| ogra_ | there was a very early beta image http://forum.banana-pi.org/t/bpi-m2-new-image-snappy-ubuntu-15-04-image-v4-0-release/436 ... | 14:00 |
| ogra_ | if you cant find anything you at least could fish bootloader and kernel out of that one and just use the good old ubuntu-core tarball | 14:00 |
| ogra_ | popey, in any case, SATA will get you fast file IO ... but for fast compilation you want a fast CPU and much RAM ... it matters what exactly you want to build | 14:03 |
| ogra_ | (images and rootfses -> you want SATA .... compiling libreoffice for arm ... better go for something like a parallella board .... they have impressing compute power) | 14:04 |
| popey | nah, nothing that big | 14:05 |
| popey | small phone apps | 14:05 |
| ogra_ | then an rpi would do i guess | 14:06 |
| ogra_ | wont be super fast but you can have snappy as well as ubuntu mate images and easily flip the SDs around | 14:06 |
| popey | true | 14:07 |
| jgdx | pete-woods, hey, specific vpn routes (not sure what they're called) are missing from your vpn editor? Are they supported by connectivity api? | 14:07 |
| ogra_ | and i bet you could play around with distcc to cluster a few of them to have distributed compiling | 14:08 |
| pete-woods | jgdx: I haven't implemented that part | 14:08 |
| pete-woods | this was already an absolutely massive piece of work | 14:08 |
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| jgdx | pete-woods, yeah, you did an amazing job | 14:16 |
| jgdx | pete-woods, what are you thoughts on that, though? Is it required for a first phase? | 14:17 |
| pete-woods | jgdx: I don't think so | 14:17 |
| jgdx | pete-woods, okay, great. | 14:17 |
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| V99 | which is the date of the OTA 9.5 launch? | 14:46 |
| V99 | when* | 14:46 |
| Smurphy | No idea :( | 14:48 |
| OerHeks | soon, and OTA 10 in the 1st week of march >> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-touch-ota-9-5-hotfix-on-its-way-to-fix-the-big-mir-issue-on-ubuntu-phones-500231.shtml | 14:49 |
| Smurphy | 3 Critical, 7 High issues ... | 14:49 |
| mhall119 | mariogrip: I did the flashing of android.img and boot.img you gave me yesterday, now I can't run u-d-f | 14:49 |
| mhall119 | 2016/02/12 09:48:36 error pushing: failed to copy '/home/mhall/.cache/ubuntuimages/ubuntu-touch/stable/FP2/version-2.tar.xz' to '/cache/recovery/': No such file or directory | 14:49 |
| mhall119 | 2016/02/12 09:48:36 error pushing: failed to copy '/home/mhall/.cache/ubuntuimages/ubuntu-touch/stable/FP2/version-2.tar.xz' to '/cache/recovery/': No such file or directory | 14:49 |
| mhall119 | root@ubuntu-phablet:/# ls -lha /cache | 14:49 |
| mhall119 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Jan 14 1970 /cache -> /android/cache | 14:49 |
| mhall119 | root@ubuntu-phablet:/# ls /android | 14:49 |
| mhall119 | data firmware persist system | 14:49 |
| mariogrip | cannot use udf | 14:50 |
| davmor2 | jgdx, pete-woods: on and off and working reliably is all that is required for phase one :) Nice solid foundation then build the other stuff on top of that as you go :) | 14:50 |
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| mhall119 | mariogrip: oh, I thought that flashing the android.img and boot.img would allow u-d-f to work | 14:53 |
| mariogrip | mhall119: it's a problem with recovery | 14:53 |
| mariogrip | I haven't looked at the problem yet, I will wait to we have wifi so we can update | 14:54 |
| mariogrip | but did you replace android.img? | 14:55 |
| mariogrip | mhall119: from recovery menu? | 14:55 |
| mariogrip | mhall119: I can fix the udf if you want it | 14:58 |
| jgdx | davmor2, :) Let's do it! | 15:05 |
| jgdx | davmor2, pete's vpn editor works for you? | 15:05 |
| davmor2 | jgdx: no idea never used it | 15:05 |
| jgdx | davmor2, okay, it's here [1] if you wanna give it a go. [1] http://people.canonical.com/~pete/com.ubuntu.developer.pete-woods.vpn-editor_0.2.0_all.click | 15:06 |
| davmor2 | jgdx: no time right now but I'll give it a go after | 15:08 |
| mhall119 | mariogrip: yeah, I replaced the android system from the Ubuntu actions menu, using android.img | 15:47 |
| mhall119 | getting u-d-f working would make it easier going forward | 15:47 |
| mariogrip | mhall119: ok, I will start working on that when i'm done with some kernel changes | 15:48 |
| mhall119 | mariogrip: awesome work, thanks :) | 15:48 |
| mariogrip | :) | 15:48 |
| mhall119 | mariogrip: also, should I be using stable, rc-proposed or devel-proposed channel? | 15:49 |
| mariogrip | rc | 15:49 |
| mhall119 | mariogrip: what are your thoughts on Maarten's email this morning? Are the binary blogs needed for this port going to be a problem? | 16:43 |
| mariogrip | mhall119: I don't see the binary blobs as a problem (example mako and opo has blobs too), but it would make things easier, but that saying having a fully open source blobs would be awesome! (aka fully opensource phone) but I don't see qcom opensource there blobs. | 16:56 |
| mhall119 | ok | 16:56 |
| mhall119 | that's what I was thinking too, just wanted to check with you | 16:56 |
| mhall119 | mariogrip: I've downloaded the rev 6 images from rc-proposed, can I push them to the phone manually and install them from the recovery menu? | 16:57 |
| mariogrip | mhall119: I just got the new recovery ready | 16:58 |
| mariogrip | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56653875/ubuntu/fp2/recovery.img | 16:58 |
| mariogrip | now udf should work | 16:58 |
| mhall119 | fastboot flash recovery recovery.img? | 16:58 |
| mariogrip | jup | 16:58 |
| mariogrip | then reboot to recovery do adb shell "mount /data && mount /cache" | 16:59 |
| mariogrip | then run udf | 16:59 |
| mhall119 | mhall@mhall-thinkpad:~/Downloads/phablet-flash/fairphone$ sudo fastboot flash recovery recovery.img | 17:00 |
| mhall119 | target reported max download size of 536870912 bytes | 17:00 |
| mhall119 | sending 'recovery' (16416 KB)... | 17:00 |
| mhall119 | OKAY [ 0.636s] | 17:00 |
| mhall119 | writing 'recovery'... | 17:00 |
| mhall119 | FAILED (remote: size too large) | 17:00 |
| mhall119 | finished. total time: 0.639s | 17:00 |
| mariogrip | oh, letme fix that | 17:00 |
| _Sponge | mariogrip: Did you get my eMail about allowing people to edit the ubport wiki ? | 17:04 |
| mariogrip | _Sponge: no, i did not, letme check | 17:05 |
| _Sponge | mhall119: Can we get this to work on Touch ? https://play.google.com/music/gift?u=0# | 17:05 |
| _Sponge | mariogrip: It'was to your gmail. | 17:06 |
| mhall119 | _Sponge: Google Play Music? | 17:06 |
| _Sponge | mhall119: yeps | 17:06 |
| mariogrip | _Sponge: oh, yeah I had to disable that from the wiki due to spam, I will be switching wiki soon | 17:07 |
| _Sponge | Also #BadVoltage is Out. http://community.badvoltage.org/t/1x60-new-again/10724 | 17:07 |
| _Sponge | mariogrip: Wat wiki shall you be using, exactly ? | 17:07 |
| mhall119 | _Sponge: maybe with https://github.com/simon-weber/gmusicapi ? | 17:07 |
| mariogrip | _Sponge: We was talking on moving it to wiki.ubuntu.com | 17:08 |
| mariogrip | or jingo | 17:08 |
| _Sponge | mariogrip: That'll never happen IMHO. | 17:08 |
| _Sponge | jingo ? | 17:08 |
| * _Sponge scans for jingo .. | 17:09 | |
| mariogrip | https://github.com/claudioc/jingo | 17:09 |
| _Sponge | mhall119: Sorry for pinging you. | I just got excited: http://www.xda-developers.com/xda-external-link/gift-a-google-play-music-subscription-at-50-off/ | 17:09 |
| mariogrip | node.js based and uses git | 17:10 |
| _Sponge | It needs a_lot of work (jingo) .. but I'm impressed so far. | 17:11 |
| mariogrip | what do you mean with "That'll never happen IMHO."? I was thinking of doing the switch pretty soon | 17:12 |
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| _Sponge | mariogrip: Putting ubport on wiki.ubuntu.com has distinct limitations, but what would I know. | 17:13 |
| mhall119 | what limitations are you concerned about? | 17:14 |
| mariogrip | mhall119: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56653875/ubuntu/fp2/recovery.img | 17:14 |
| _Sponge | mariogrip: The extensions that go with MediaWiki & Semantic MediaWiki make it perfect for the web (as it is). https://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Semantic_MediaWiki | 17:15 |
| mhall119 | mariogrip: ok, flashed and rebooting, now I should be able to use u-d-f? | 17:16 |
| _Sponge | mhall119: Languages, Funding-Model for ubports, load-time, less-modules for mario to use in extensions for MediaWiki. | 17:17 |
| mariogrip | _Sponge: MediaWiki is php, baaha | 17:17 |
| _Sponge | mariogrip: Do you need any help, with this ? | 17:17 |
| mariogrip | mhall119: yes, but remember adb shell "mount data && mount /cache" | 17:18 |
| _Sponge | I'm at codeclub ion Saturday, if you'd like to do a jit.si ? | 17:18 |
| mhall119 | mariogrip: from Ubuntu or from the recovery partition? | 17:18 |
| mariogrip | mhall119: recovery | 17:19 |
| mariogrip | run udf from recovery | 17:19 |
| mhall119 | ok, running it now | 17:19 |
| * mhall119 notes that it says "Cyanogen Recovery" again, instead of "Ubports Recovery" | 17:19 | |
| mariogrip | mhall119: Yeah, i removed some images to make space, | 17:20 |
| mhall119 | I see the little Android image, but it's not animated | 17:21 |
| mariogrip | mhall119: yeah, i see i remove wrong res folder | 17:22 |
| mhall119 | I see Ubuntu splash :) | 17:22 |
| mariogrip | :D | 17:22 |
| mhall119 | still no /etc/system-image/config.d though :( | 17:23 |
| mhall119 | and there was very little time spent on the Android splash screen, so I'm not convinced that it applied the new images | 17:24 |
| mariogrip | mhall119: can you reboot to recovery and do adb shell "cat /cache/system-image-upgrader.log" | 17:25 |
| mhall119 | adb reboot recovery sent it back tothe android upgrading splash, which rebooted again (going into ubuntu I think) | 17:27 |
| mhall119 | yeah, something went bad there, manually rebooting it into recovery | 17:28 |
| mhall119 | hmmm, can't seem to get back into recovery, it just goes to the android upgrade screen then reboots | 17:29 |
| mariogrip | mhall119: just reboot to bootloader, I has a typo (note to self: test before) | 17:30 |
| mhall119 | heh, that's what I'm here for :) | 17:30 |
| mhall119 | ok, back in the bootloader | 17:30 |
| mariogrip | *uploading* | 17:32 |
| jamie12 | hey i am looking to get involved with ubuntu touch, I was working on firefox OS and they are now discontinuing it so i am looking for a new project to work on | 17:33 |
| mhall119 | jamie12: porting, apps, or developing the OS itself? | 17:34 |
| jamie12 | mhall119: i am looking to work on the OS itself | 17:34 |
| mhall119 | any particular part? | 17:34 |
| jamie12 | QA | 17:35 |
| mhall119 | ah, I know just the guy for you, balloons ^^ | 17:35 |
| balloons | ohh brillant ;-) What part of QA tickles your fancy? | 17:35 |
| jamie12 | well mainly running or generating testcase and manual testing | 17:36 |
| balloons | specific to ubuntu touch, there's plenty of QA related work for the core apps, which are the community developed set of default apps for the ubuntu touch | 17:36 |
| jamie12 | I have been working on QA for firefox OS for the last year anb a half | 17:36 |
| balloons | Do you have a device? | 17:36 |
| jamie12 | i was hoping there might be support for the device i have... but i cant seem to find if there is... i have a Z3C which is a high end device | 17:37 |
| jamie12 | lol it currently has firefox OS on it | 17:37 |
| mhall119 | victorp: ^^ do you know if there's any port of Ubuntu for the Z3C (that's a Sony, I think) | 17:38 |
| jamie12 | yes sony Z3C | 17:38 |
| popey | !devices | 17:39 |
| ubot5` | You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices | 17:39 |
| popey | that page lists ports | 17:39 |
| victorp | mhall119, not that I know of | 17:43 |
| jamie12 | looks like i might have to work on porting | 17:43 |
| popey | That would be awesome. | 17:43 |
| popey | Sony devices are really pretty | 17:43 |
| mhall119 | jamie12: what board does that one use? | 17:43 |
| jamie12 | let me look | 17:44 |
| ogra_ | because you can take them into the shower ? | 17:44 |
| _Sponge | It's after 5.30 here - I'm for a beer - anyone else out on Valentines Weekend ? | 17:44 |
| jamie12 | one sec need to go grab my device | 17:44 |
| balloons | jamie12, if you are interested in trying to port, that might be a good first step; especially if you want to do manual QA work | 17:45 |
| mhall119 | mariogrip: how's the upload coming? | 17:45 |
| mariogrip | mhall119: I had to fix something again, something weird is going on | 17:46 |
| balloons | do you know python or qml perchance? you can write automated tests without a device | 17:46 |
| jamie12 | balloons: i do know python, but not very well, also sadly automated is not by best suit | 17:47 |
| jamie12 | mhall119: i just know its a qcom, hardware revison of aries | 17:48 |
| balloons | ahh no worries. We have a nice suite of manunal tests we maintain, but it's more desktop focused. In case you do want to try: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ContributingTestcases/Manual | 17:48 |
| jamie12 | god i hate windows with a passion... one sec, im swapping to linux | 17:51 |
| Jamie_1 | much better | 17:52 |
| Jamie_1 | balloons: can you throw that link at me again? | 17:53 |
| balloons | Jamie_1, sure: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ContributingTestcases/Manual | 17:53 |
| Jamie_1 | thanks | 17:53 |
| balloons | Jamie_1, we hang out in #ubuntu-quality. The entire wiki is worth looking over if you want to get a background on what we do: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam | 17:53 |
| Jamie_1 | will do, thanks balloons, right now im just working on getting a new project to work on since my project has reached EOL sadly | 17:54 |
| mariogrip | mhall119: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56653875/ubuntu/fp2/recovery.img | 17:57 |
| mariogrip | ogra_: did you see my MP? | 17:57 |
| mhall119 | mariogrip: flashed, reboot now? | 17:59 |
| mhall119 | into recovery or ubuntu? | 17:59 |
| mariogrip | reboot to recovery :) | 17:59 |
| mhall119 | seeing the ubuntu upgrade splash screen now | 18:00 |
| mariogrip | mhall119: hope it stays for more then 5 seconds now | 18:00 |
| mhall119 | so far it is :) | 18:00 |
| mariogrip | yey :D | 18:01 |
| Jamie_1 | balloons: thanks im setting everything up now | 18:01 |
| mhall119 | mariogrip: it's rebooting | 18:02 |
| * mhall119 gets his hopesup | 18:02 | |
| mariogrip | :) | 18:03 |
| mhall119 | hmmm, saw the ubuntu splash, then it shut off :/ | 18:04 |
| mhall119 | let me reboot again and keep the screen awake | 18:04 |
| mhall119 | or should I reboot into recovery and try u-d-f again? | 18:05 |
| mariogrip | mhall119: just try again | 18:05 |
| mariogrip | to ubuntu | 18:06 |
| Piffen | Goop vevning. im New ro IRC any godo rooms to begin with? | 18:06 |
| mhall119 | Ubuntu 15.04 (r6) \o/ | 18:06 |
| mariogrip | \o/ | 18:06 |
| popey | *\o/* | 18:06 |
| lotuspsychje | !alis | Piffen | 18:07 |
| ubot5` | Piffen: alis is a services bot that can help you find channels. Read "/msg alis help list" . For more help or questions relating to alis, please join #freenode. Example usage: /msg alis list #ubuntu or /msg alis list http | 18:07 |
| Jamie_1 | balloons: should i just work on setting up desktop and running and writing desktop tests till i can get the port made? | 18:08 |
| mhall119 | it does not like my USB cable anymore though, no data and not even getting power from it :/ | 18:09 |
| mhall119 | without adb or network, that's going to make things interesting | 18:09 |
| balloons | Jamie_1, you are free to do whatever interests you :-) Talk to flocculant for what tests are most needed at the moment; he can point you in the right direction. Though obviously any bug works: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests | 18:10 |
| mariogrip | mhall119: no power? for adb enable developer mode | 18:10 |
| mhall119 | mariogrip: yeah, I'm not sure why it wouldn't get power | 18:11 |
| mhall119 | I don't get MTP either....somethings up with this cable I think | 18:11 |
| Jamie_1 | balloons: thanks, sorry about being annoying its gonna take me a little to get used to the way things run with ubuntu. | 18:11 |
| balloons | Jamie_1, no worries at all. I would recommend trying a few different things out, to see what you enjoy the most and where you excel. | 18:12 |
| mariogrip | mhall119: I think I found the problem with the screen, it has a old video driver in the kernel (screen works perfectly on the opo) | 18:12 |
| balloons | glad to have you contributing! | 18:12 |
| mariogrip | mhall119: I have the same issue, it's not your cable | 18:13 |
| Jamie_1 | balloons: whelp had to find something, Also i will be working on porting to the Z3C... i need to make use of the dam expensive thing anyways | 18:13 |
| mhall119 | yeah, I just tried with my Nexus 4 and it works fine there | 18:13 |
| mhall119 | it gets power when I use my A/C charging cable | 18:14 |
| mariogrip | mhall119: it might be a problem with the power negotiation | 18:15 |
| mhall119 | mariogrip: could you put the terminal app in the image so we at least have that? | 18:17 |
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| mariogrip | mhall119: you could enable adb at boot | 18:18 |
| mariogrip | mhall119: download all these files: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mariogrip/Ubuntu-touch/fp2/ | 18:19 |
| mariogrip | use adb-install to install | 18:19 |
| mariogrip | also, you need to do this from recovery | 18:19 |
| mariogrip | there is a typo in adb-install, it's ubuntu.img not ubuntu.com | 18:20 |
| _Sponge | mariogrip: Just a quickie, but if no-one has been able to log-on .. How (?) have you had 'loads of spam ? | 18:34 |
| mariogrip | _Sponge: I had to disable the log-in due to spam | 18:35 |
| _Sponge | but according to this https://wiki.ubports.com/w/Special:RecentChanges How have you had "spam" if no-one was able to log on ? | 18:36 |
| _Sponge | Also It's only been a week. | 18:37 |
| Zapp- | Hi im trying to find a IRC client that are stand alone an not anweb app for uubuntu | 18:38 |
| Zapp- | phone | 18:38 |
| _Sponge | irissi | 18:38 |
| Zapp- | Irssi on the phone? | 18:38 |
| ogra_ | Zapp-, there is a kiwi irc client in the store | 18:39 |
| ogra_ | (and yes, irssi works if you install it in a chroot in /home/phablet) | 18:39 |
| Zapp- | Running kiwi IRC now but it is not so configurable | 18:41 |
| mhall119 | mariogrip: that fixed it, even power | 18:41 |
| mhall119 | mariogrip: now, how can I get wifi working? | 18:41 |
| ogra_ | sacrifice a chicken ... | 18:41 |
| mariogrip | mhall119: first check nmcli d | 18:42 |
| Zapp- | Would be nice to have andchat from android converted to this os | 18:42 |
| ogra_ | Zapp-, well, convergence will soon let you have xchat and such ... | 18:43 |
| mariogrip | ogra_: does the kiwi app have notifications? | 18:44 |
| ogra_ | mariogrip, nope | 18:44 |
| mariogrip | o | 18:44 |
| mariogrip | k | 18:44 |
| ogra_ | mariogrip, well, it does ... internally in javascript ... but indeed only if the app is focuesd | 18:44 |
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| mariogrip | ogra_: ah, ok. | 18:45 |
| ogra_ | mariogrip, i have a snappy ircproxy that i was planning to add notification support to and to integrate it with a client app fopr the phone ... | 18:46 |
| ogra_ | but time is so shprt atm | 18:46 |
| ogra_ | *short | 18:46 |
| dobey | ogra_: znc? | 18:46 |
| ogra_ | bip | 18:47 |
| dobey | ah. i recall seeing mentions of znc already having push notification support for ubuntu | 18:47 |
| ogra_ | well, feel free to snap it up ;) | 18:47 |
| mariogrip | ogra_: that would be awesome | 18:48 |
| popey | yes, make a snap, which is uninstallable on the phone :þ | 18:48 |
| ogra_ | popey, why would you install the server bit on the phone ? | 18:48 |
| dobey | popey: running an irc bouncer on your phone is probably not what you want anyway | 18:48 |
| ogra_ | you need a remote server that sends the notifications | 18:48 |
| popey | why not? :) | 18:49 |
| dobey | but znc is already packaged in ubuntu too | 18:49 |
| dobey | popey: because you're not studio? | 18:49 |
| ogra_ | popey, because it would be confined and lifecycled | 18:49 |
| popey | true :) | 18:49 |
| ogra_ | if you do that you can also just stay with kiwi :) | 18:49 |
| popey | the lifecycle policy really does shutdown novel ideas sometimes | 18:50 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 18:50 |
| dobey | don't even get me started ;) | 18:50 |
| popey | It's incredibly frustrating | 18:50 |
| ogra_ | but otoh we got ten times better batterylife than anyone else :) | 18:50 |
| popey | pffft | 18:50 |
| * _Sponge shrugs | 18:50 | |
| dobey | on one device maybe | 18:51 |
| ogra_ | anyway, i doubt it will ever change | 18:51 |
| ogra_ | unless you tie up tvoss and torture him til he agrees | 18:51 |
| popey | pmcgowan: any movement on the lifecycle issues we discussed some weeks back? | 18:51 |
| xNear | hmm, what is actually the best phone with ubuntu touch? | 18:53 |
| dobey | the one you use | 18:53 |
| ogra_ | depends on your usecase ... | 18:53 |
| mariogrip | oneplus one ;) | 18:53 |
| xNear | nope, my phone is not supported. there is simple port but its not progressed since months (z1 compact) | 18:54 |
| ogra_ | for photos there is nothing better than the MX4 .... also the display is awesome ... | 18:54 |
| xNear | do any of us use ubuntu touch as main OS? | 18:54 |
| xNear | of you* | 18:54 |
| xNear | sorry | 18:54 |
| ogra_ | but the aquaris 4.5 is definitely a lot faster than all the others | 18:54 |
| mariogrip | I do, I use bq 4.5 | 18:54 |
| dobey | xNear: i mean, if you have a phone running ubuntu, but you don't use it, then it's not going to be the "best" one :) | 18:54 |
| popey | OnePlusOne is way faster than MX4 or bq e4.5 | 18:54 |
| JanC | xNear: do you mean for desktop or phone? | 18:54 |
| popey | and Nexus 4 is faster than 4.5 | 18:55 |
| ogra_ | popey, even than the 4.5 ? wow | 18:55 |
| xNear | phone of course ;) | 18:55 |
| ogra_ | popey, all HW features working on the OPO ? | 18:55 |
| popey | no | 18:55 |
| * popey looks at mariogrip :) | 18:55 | |
| ogra_ | (bluettoth etc) | 18:55 |
| popey | bt isnt | 18:55 |
| ogra_ | ah, sad | 18:55 |
| popey | UI updates are silky compared to mx4 and bq | 18:55 |
| sergiusens | popey, force thomas to use the phone as his main phone and the lifecycle restrictions will start to get fixed ;-) | 18:55 |
| dobey | OPO is in similar situation to N5 in terms of hw support | 18:55 |
| * mariogrip hides | 18:55 | |
| JanC | I have an Aquaris 4.5 also | 18:55 |
| popey | :) mariogrip | 18:55 |
| mariogrip | popey: ubp-5.1 looks promising | 18:56 |
| popey | yay | 18:56 |
| mariogrip | I also have oneplus x on my road map, (that has pretty much the same hardware as opo) | 18:58 |
| popey | yeah, i love my opx | 18:58 |
| popey | wish we had more people who could help you | 18:59 |
| * dobey just wants good hardware in a 4.3" phone | 18:59 | |
| ogra_ | just grow your hads :P | 18:59 |
| ogra_ | *hands | 18:59 |
| mariogrip | popey: Yeah | 18:59 |
| mhall119 | mariogrip: nmcli d http://paste.ubuntu.com/15028152/ | 19:03 |
| mariogrip | mhall119: check if wcnss_service is running (pidof wcnss_service) | 19:04 |
| dobey | ogra_: i do find it disturbing that huge phones is even the trend in china/japan :-/ | 19:04 |
| mhall119 | mariogrip: nothing | 19:04 |
| ogra_ | dobey, but there they use them as desktops :P | 19:04 |
| mariogrip | mhall119: try to start it /system/bin/wcnss_service | 19:05 |
| mhall119 | ran it, pidof still returns nothing | 19:06 |
| dobey | ogra_: not much room to work, doing that. | 19:07 |
| mariogrip | mhall119: check if there is anything in dmesg or logcat (it seems to have crashed | 19:07 |
| mhall119 | mariogrip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15028212/ is grepped from syslog for wcnss | 19:08 |
| mariogrip | mhall119: here is the problem: wcnss: Failed to locate wcnss.mdt | 19:09 |
| mariogrip | mhall119: do ls /firmware/image/ | 19:10 |
| mariogrip | mhall119: I will start working on wifi after I get the display to behave | 19:16 |
| mariogrip | mhall119: there is quite a work to enable wifi, so it probably easier to that i fix it in android | 19:17 |
| mhall119 | mariogrip: there is no /firmware | 19:17 |
| mariogrip | mhall119: i was afraid of that | 19:18 |
| _Sponge | mariogrip: there are no MediaWiki users, either. | 19:18 |
| mhall119 | mariogrip: I've gotta take my dogs to the vet, so leave me any instructions for what you want me to try and I'll do them when I get back | 19:18 |
| mariogrip | mhall119: ack | 19:19 |
| pmcgowan | popey, no progress but hadn't expected any until we cleared the releases | 19:24 |
| popey | k | 19:25 |
| pmcgowan | ogra_, hey are you using that k480 kbd? I just got one and wily wont pair it | 19:33 |
| ogra_ | pmcgowan, works on my N7 | 19:40 |
| ogra_ | make sure to only press the left pair button | 19:40 |
| pmcgowan | ogra_, I got prompted for a pin code then it failed | 19:40 |
| ogra_ | weird | 19:40 |
| ogra_ | havent had any issues with it | 19:40 |
| pmcgowan | ok will see what bluetoothctl says | 19:41 |
| pmcgowan | might work on the tablet | 19:41 |
| ogra_ | i havent tried it with a phone yet | 19:41 |
| pmcgowan | ogra_, worked on freiza so all good | 19:43 |
| ogra_ | hmm, something is wrong with the N7 | 19:43 |
| ogra_ | comes up with bt off ... and turns itself off after a while | 19:44 |
| pmcgowan | ogra_, bt got busted ther recently | 19:44 |
| ogra_ | ah | 19:44 |
| pmcgowan | john-mcaleely, that fixed yet? | 19:44 |
| ogra_ | not on todays image it seems :) | 19:44 |
| ogra_ | pmcgowan, does the freiza fit into the slot ? | 19:45 |
| pmcgowan | it does! | 19:45 |
| ogra_ | \o/ | 19:45 |
| pmcgowan | bt connection is spotty here too | 19:45 |
| john-mcaleely | pmcgowan, that's one for alecu & charles I believe | 19:48 |
| john-mcaleely | ie, they know, not me | 19:48 |
| pmcgowan | really? | 19:48 |
| pmcgowan | its losing connection | 19:48 |
| charles | I'm looking at bug #1530807 right now and am working on the indicator component of that | 19:49 |
| ubot5` | bug 1530807 in indicator-bluetooth (Ubuntu) "Bluetooth cannot be activated on several devices" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1530807 | 19:49 |
| pmcgowan | feels like bluez crashed | 19:49 |
| charles | but that doesn't mean I'm taking on all bluez bugs :-) | 19:49 |
| pmcgowan | its in a state where its not scanning at all | 19:49 |
| pmcgowan | charles, its like settings cant talk to the backend | 19:50 |
| charles | pmcgowan, I think there is something going on in systems-settings | 19:51 |
| charles | the part about discoverable / not discoverable in settings in bug 1530807 isn't coming from the indicator, it's coming from code in u-s-s that talks to bluez | 19:51 |
| ubot5` | bug 1530807 in indicator-bluetooth (Ubuntu) "Bluetooth cannot be activated on several devices" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1530807 | 19:51 |
| charles | who's been doing u-s-s bugfixes? | 19:52 |
| pmcgowan | charles, this is what I am seeing | 19:52 |
| pmcgowan | I paired the keyboard and its working... | 19:52 |
| tathhu | well, if m10 fits into k480.. i'm even more goign to buy it :P | 19:52 |
| pmcgowan | then the device no longer sees it | 19:52 |
| charles | kenvandine, ^ | 19:52 |
| pmcgowan | then the device does see it | 19:52 |
| pmcgowan | but no settings cannot talk to the backend | 19:53 |
| pmcgowan | I think the daemon may have restarted | 19:53 |
| charles | pmcgowan, I think you can use hciconfig to get a dump of bluez status from the command line | 19:53 |
| dobey | well i can't seem to pair my mako to my PC right now either. it just says "failed" on the PC, and no magic PIN stuff ever happens on the phone | 19:54 |
| charles | pmcgowan, eg https://launchpadlibrarian.net/233590765/screenshot20160109_140631775.png | 19:54 |
| kenvandine | my flo never sees devices to connect to | 19:55 |
| kenvandine | charles, the toggle to turn on and off bluetooth comes from the indicator, but the discoverable thing is just dbus to bluez | 19:56 |
| kenvandine | i think | 19:56 |
| charles | kenvandine, I think that's correct | 19:56 |
| kenvandine | and that's all working fine on my other devices | 19:56 |
| kenvandine | flo is in bad shape though | 19:56 |
| charles | kenvandine, I think there are at least two bugs here, one regarding the indicator toggle and the other in system-settings regarding discoverable | 19:56 |
| charles | I'm adding u-s-s to 1530807 | 19:57 |
| charles | though maybe it should be in a separate ticket... | 19:57 |
| kenvandine | charles, no, i think they are the same bug | 19:57 |
| kenvandine | someone said if you enable bluetooth from the command line then it all works | 19:57 |
| kenvandine | the problem is the toggle in the indicator isn't working | 19:58 |
| * kenvandine isn't even sure how to do that from the cli :) | 19:58 | |
| pmcgowan | I have bt enabled it simply wont connect the keyboard again | 19:58 |
| charles | kenvandine, I'm not sure how the indicator could be breaking the discoverable / not discoverable status in systems settings, the indicator doesn't have any of that logic? | 19:58 |
| kenvandine | charles, i think we can toggle discoverable when bluetooth is disabled | 19:59 |
| kenvandine | which seem swrong | 19:59 |
| kenvandine | seems wrong | 19:59 |
| pmcgowan | Failed to connect: org.bluez.Error.Failed | 19:59 |
| pmcgowan | seems there are multiple problems here | 19:59 |
| kenvandine | charles, so bluez can report it is discoverable, but other devices won't see it if bluetooth is disabled | 20:00 |
| charles | kenvandine, that's plausible | 20:00 |
| kenvandine | pmcgowan, maybe, but multiple problems only on some devices? | 20:00 |
| kenvandine | charles, yeah, i think the bluez API lets us interact with it | 20:00 |
| charles | I don't know if that's what's happening but it passes the sniff test anyway | 20:00 |
| kenvandine | even though the device is actually blocked | 20:01 |
| kenvandine | someday i might understand bluez :) | 20:01 |
| charles | kenvandine, what is the bluetooth settings plugin getting from the indicator? just the on/off flag? | 20:01 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 20:01 |
| charles | ok | 20:02 |
| charles | I'll see if I can't figure out what's going wrong in the indicator | 20:02 |
| kenvandine | charles, and i think a restart of indicator-bluetooth makes it work again | 20:03 |
| Mujisiro | Hi all, is there anyone who successfully installed ubuntu touch on a lg g2? | 20:04 |
| charles | kenvandine, yeah I'm seeing the same thing, and I think someone in-ticket reported that as well | 20:04 |
| charles | kenvandine, it may be a startup timing issue, eg the indicator expecting bluez to be ready for business when the indicator starts | 20:05 |
| kenvandine | yeah, confirmed everything seems peachy after restarting indicator-bluetooth | 20:05 |
| charles | cool | 20:05 |
| pmcgowan | kenvandine, Ithe bt panel just isnt initating scans | 20:07 |
| alecu | charles: sounds like what you suspected all along | 20:07 |
| kenvandine | pmcgowan, it is for me | 20:07 |
| alecu | charles: is there a way to steadily reproduce this? | 20:08 |
| pmcgowan | kenvandine, it will scan with devices connected right? | 20:08 |
| kenvandine | but on my flo only after restarting indicator-bluetooth | 20:08 |
| charles | pmcgowan, will it initiate scans after you restart indicator-bluetooth? | 20:08 |
| kenvandine | i just forgot all devices and let it find them again | 20:08 |
| kenvandine | and paired the mouse | 20:08 |
| kenvandine | all worked perfectly | 20:08 |
| charles | alecu, I don't know how to reproduce it every time yet | 20:08 |
| kenvandine | after restarting the indicator | 20:08 |
| pmcgowan | charles, how? | 20:08 |
| charles | pmcgowan, from phablet-shell, "restart indicator-bluetooth" | 20:08 |
| pmcgowan | Unknown job: indicator-bluetooth | 20:09 |
| kenvandine | no sudo | 20:09 |
| pmcgowan | I am in with adb shell then did su phablet ? | 20:10 |
| pmcgowan | phablet-shell doesnt work | 20:10 |
| kenvandine | ah | 20:10 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 20:10 |
| kenvandine | su - phablet | 20:10 |
| pmcgowan | sigh | 20:11 |
| pmcgowan | -su: restart: command not found | 20:11 |
| kenvandine | install the terminal app :) | 20:11 |
| charles | :) | 20:11 |
| kenvandine | pmcgowan, it's an upstart session job | 20:12 |
| pmcgowan | installing | 20:12 |
| pmcgowan | oh ffff | 20:12 |
| pmcgowan | just lost connection to the keyboard | 20:12 |
| kenvandine | omg | 20:12 |
| kenvandine | :) | 20:12 |
| * pmcgowan hates bluetooth it has never worked | 20:13 | |
| charles | +1 | 20:13 |
| dobey | pmcgowan: what, you using a nexus 5 too now? :P | 20:17 |
| pmcgowan | I feel dobey's pain | 20:19 |
| davmor2 | pmcgowan: pfff dobey uses it by choice don't fooled into empathising with him, he is just a glutton for punishment :) | 20:24 |
| alecu | davmor2: lol | 20:25 |
| alecu | charles: I think I managed to get my bq 4.5 into the broken state | 20:31 |
| alecu | charles: I first disable autostart of the bluetooth daemon: | 20:32 |
| alecu | echo "manual" | sudo tee /etc/init/bluetooth.override | 20:32 |
| alecu | then I reboot | 20:32 |
| alecu | and after everything starts, I run "sudo start bluetooth" | 20:32 |
| alecu | after that, the on/off switch in indicator and system settings seems to not match | 20:33 |
| alecu | and bluetooth keeps connected all the time, independent of what those switches show. | 20:33 |
| alecu | added a comment about that to the bug. | 20:54 |
| alecu | charles: I agree that this looks like an initialization problem. | 20:54 |
| k1l | http://maruos.com/ seems like someone picked that ubuntu4android idea and made it debian4android | 21:37 |
| popey | kinda | 21:38 |
| popey | u4a was a somewhat different animal | 21:38 |
| popey | lots of integration between the two OSs | 21:39 |
| popey | which they may be able to do with maru, who knows | 21:39 |
| dobey | well, lots of demo anyway. i don't think we had any practical integration work completed there, did we? | 21:39 |
| popey | yes | 21:40 |
| popey | thunderbird on desktop accessed android contacts for example | 21:40 |
| k1l | yes, i have seen nothing than nice photos so far. that why i said idea. | 21:40 |
| popey | It's good though, validates the idea that a computer in your pocket can be more than just a phone. | 21:40 |
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| sarnold | k1l: would you consider unbanning *!*@unaffiliated/ilhami ? he's asked a question in #ubuntu-devel that's probably better suited here; thanks | 22:41 |
| k1l | sarnold: hi. i will no unban that user since he is an issue since 2013 and was banned several times and proven that he will be an issue again when given a 2nd chance. | 22:42 |
| sarnold | k1l: thanks for the consideration and explanation :) | 22:42 |
| k1l | sarnold: i told him to use the mailinglist if he really needs support or got questions. but seems that effort is too much for him. | 22:42 |
| sarnold | k1l: heh, I'm familiar with the trait :/ | 22:43 |
| TLF | https://answers.launchpad.net/podbird/+question/284960 | 23:16 |
| TLF | Anyone know how to restore thumbnails in Podbird? | 23:17 |
| TLF | I deleted the dir in .config so it would load. It worked, but I have no images now. | 23:18 |
| ogra_ | k1l, it is "divergence" (two OSes on two displays on one device) | 23:19 |
| ogra_ | :) | 23:20 |
| k1l | :) | 23:20 |
| ogra_ | they still have to deliver something first though ... | 23:20 |
| k1l | yeah. i have just seen "mockup" photos so far. but i still think there is a market for android+real desktop looking at the smartphone marketshare of android. | 23:22 |
| ogra_ | LOL ! | 23:24 |
| ogra_ | Produktmerkmale | 23:24 |
| ogra_ | Android 5.1 (Lutscher) | 23:24 |
| ogra_ | http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B017IG7DLC/ref=noref?ie=UTF8&psc=1&s=ce-de | 23:24 |
| ogra_ | (sorry, only funny for germans i guess) | 23:24 |
| k1l | muahahaa, thats a nice lost in translation | 23:25 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 23:25 |
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