[09:08]  * _Sponge checks his watch. http://i.imgur.com/tqUNgSj.jpg
[09:08] <_Sponge> It's Friday \o/ Yay !
[09:09] <_Sponge> Morning everyone.
[09:10] <mcphail> !yay | _Sponge
[09:10] <ubot5`> _Sponge: Glad you made it! :-)
[09:10] <mcphail> Nice timepiece
[09:47] <zzarr> hello! where is the android lxc located in a preinstalled ubuntu-touch image?
[10:17] <mardy> mpt: hi! I guess I should also show the package name (in the form com.ubuntu/Mail) in the secondary text in this page, right? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OnlineAccounts?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=phone-accounts-account.png
[10:18] <Smurphy> _Sponge: *lol* Nice wrist Watch you got there ...
[10:18] <mpt> mardy, hmm, I don’t know. If we did, we’d need to show it here too: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityPermissions#Permission_lists
[10:18] <mpt> mardy, we should ask tvoss
[10:18] <bshah> sil2100: morning
[10:19] <popey> Nice keyboard too!
[10:19] <Smurphy> Guys - instead of Twitter - put Wahtsapp into the phone.
[10:19] <popey> Ok!
[10:19] <popey> I'll get right on that.
[10:19] <mardy> mpt: I vote for adding it, because it's not uncommon for an app and scope to have the same display name (like: Vkontakte, Facebook, Instagram)
[10:20] <mardy> mpt: this would let the user tell them apart (assuming that the icon is also the same)
[10:20] <mpt> mardy, for a very geeky definition of “the user”, but yeah
[10:20] <mardy> :-)
[10:21] <mardy> mpt: well, it's something: otherwise there might be absolutely no hint to tell two apps apart
[10:22] <sil2100> bshah: morning :)
[10:22] <sil2100> bshah: any luck with 'teh branch'?
[10:22] <bshah> sil2100: so your final patch seems to work fine :)
[10:22] <karlo1941> ?
[10:23] <Smurphy> !
[10:23] <tvoss> mpt, what would be design's proposal to solve the issue that mardy mentions? glad for other suggestions
[10:23] <sil2100> Yay ;) Just hope that there were no other hidden issues with repacking the keyring
[10:23] <bshah> though I can't test that image "works"
[10:23] <bshah> because shadeslayer don't have access to e5 for 2 week
[10:23] <sil2100> bshah: it seems it's been really long since we last used the 'keyring=' option anywhere, so this part of the code was a bit left for dead
[10:24] <mpt> tvoss, I don’t know … I wish there was a better one, though
[10:25] <tvoss> mpt, so display of the app id is not optimal, admittedly, but anything we can do has to be based on it
[10:27] <mpt> tvoss, I wonder if we could use something like those auto-generated avatars on Web sites that are based on the commenter’s e-mail address
[10:29] <tvoss> mpt, hmmm, interesting idea
[10:29] <mpt> They’re called identicons, apparently https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identicon
[10:29] <tvoss> mpt, but we would have to educate the user what they actually mean, too
[10:30] <mpt> yes
[10:31] <tvoss> mpt, can you take that conversation back to design?
[10:31] <mpt> sure
[10:33] <tvoss> mpt, ideally, we would even surface the identicon in the store
[10:35] <bshah> sil2100: one feature request or minor bug that is hunting me.. so if I publish only one image in channel still it generates delta files and that is just time consuming
[10:35] <bshah> anyway to disable delta generation?
[10:55] <sil2100> bshah: hm, you mean you publish just one image in a channel (i.e. no other images were in that channel) it generates a delta still?
[10:56] <sil2100> bshah: a delta shouldn't be generated then, not if you didn't define a custom deltabase
[10:56] <sil2100> bshah: but anyway, it's possible to disable delta generation for a channel in overall, but then you get no deltas
[10:57] <mardy> mpt: meanwhile, would it be fine if I add the package line as we do in the trust store prompts?
[10:57] <mpt> mardy, sure
[11:05] <bshah> sil2100: I've defined
[11:05] <bshah> versionbase = 1
[11:05] <bshah> fullcount = 1
[11:05] <bshah> still it generatees delta.
[11:11] <sil2100> bshah: you don't want to have deltas at all in the channel?
[11:11] <bshah> no..
[11:46] <matv1> ogra_ question about that logitech K480. Do you actually use it for the bq tablet? Does it sit well in the holder? is it wide enough for that?
[11:49] <jjardon> Hi, does ubuntu-touch have a special mechanism to store status/data of the phone in case power loss?
[12:04] <ogra_> matv1, i dont have a bq tablet (yet) .... i use it with my old N7 currently
[12:04] <ogra_> matv1, but i would expect the bq to fit ... perhaps popey knows
[12:04] <ogra_> i know there are such kbd's in the canonical office so i would expect *someone* to have tried that
[12:05] <popey> I dont have a bq tablet
[12:06] <matv1> oh my
[12:06] <popey> happy to measure the k380 though
[12:06] <ogra_> popey, no, but you are at the office at times and could have seen one sitting in a k480 kbd :)
[12:06] <ogra_> matv1, why oh my ?
[12:06] <popey> JMulholland oi oi, have you seen any Logitech (black and yellow) Bluetooth keyboards around? Fancy jamming a BQ M10 into it to see if it fits? :)
[12:07] <ogra_> the slot has a lot of wiggle room if i use the n7
[12:08] <matv1> well ogra_ and popey not even having used a phisical bq tablet is not what i expected if you guys are releasing it in a month or something
[12:08] <popey> Plenty of others have them
[12:08] <popey> Not everyone needs one
[12:08] <matv1> ah!
[12:08] <ogra_> matv1, i dont work on the phone team since about a year now :)
[12:08] <anpok> yeah the ones that have one play remote controlled testers
[12:09] <ogra_> i'm a normal customer, like you :)
[12:09] <anpok> which is kind of nice.. delegating testing some one else .. you can focus on generatig ideas
[12:09] <ogra_> anpok, does that mean you casn call yourself an "architect" now ?
[12:09] <ogra_> (seems to be a fashionable thing :) )
[12:10] <anpok> yeah.. solution architect maybe
[12:12] <matv1> ogra_ popey ok cool :)
[12:16] <victor_bq> Hi all!
[12:17] <victor_bq> someone to lend a hand with two customers?
[12:17] <victor_bq> =)
[12:18] <popey> victor_bq: what's up?
[12:19] <victor_bq> well I've got two customer experiencing this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1508081
[12:19] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1508081 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "Fails to receive OTA updates" [High,In progress]
[12:20] <popey> have you seen comment #18 from Ken?
[12:21] <victor_bq> ok, I'll give them those instructions
[12:21] <victor_bq> and if the problem remains? something else to do?
[12:22] <popey> I wonder if opening the terminal and manually running "system-image-cli" will do it. barry or kenvandine may know...
[12:22] <victor_bq> well enough for me =), if the problem persists I'll contact again
[12:23] <victor_bq> thanks popey!
[12:23] <popey> np
[12:23] <matv1> popey victor bq if i may jump in. I distinctly remember ogra_ saying that to another person with the same problem, which resolved it then. about a week ago i think
[12:24] <popey> handy to know
[12:24] <victor_bq> great!
[12:24] <popey> thanks matv1
[12:24] <victor_bq> thanks =)
[12:24] <matv1> but i have no way to confirm as i do not know how to recreate the failing ota
[12:25] <victor_bq> Well, no problem I'll let you know in the bug if it worked for this 2 customers ;)
[12:26] <matv1> cool, i hope it does
[12:36] <sil2100> bshah: sorry, went to lunch - anyway, if you don't want to have deltas at all in a given channel, just add 'deltabase = ' to the channel config
[12:37] <bshah> oh okay
[12:37] <sil2100> bshah: this basically means that no deltas will be generated, only full images
[12:37] <bshah> ok
[12:37] <sil2100> (it will generate a warning but work as intended)
[12:38] <sil2100> But yeah, OTA updates will be big then
[12:44] <bshah> well plasma mobile is still under development so we don't have kind of OTA update etc
[13:46] <popey> ogra_: what's the best low price ubuntu compatible arm device that I could use for building?
[13:46] <popey> Preferably something that has sata port or some other decent size storage (i.e. not a phone)
[13:48] <ogra_> depends ... if you want to fiddle a little i'd go with a bananaPi ... that has SATA
[13:48] <ogra_> (natively)
[13:48] <ogra_> else rpi with snappy in a classic shell (that gets you a full apt env in the 16.04 images)
[13:50] <popey> if I went rpi I'd probably just go for normal ubuntu images
[13:52] <popey> actually, I have a bananapi!
[13:52] <popey> i think
[13:53] <popey> \o/ i do
[13:56] <popey> ogra_: do we have a snappy image for the banana pi?
[13:56] <ogra_> not anymore, no
[13:57] <ogra_> we used to in 15.04 ... but that wouldnt help you much
[13:57] <ogra_> but i bet you will find some ubuntu image somewhere for it
[13:57] <popey> bah
[13:58] <popey> actually 15.04 would help
[13:58] <popey> because I want to build stuff for 15.04 :)
[13:59] <ogra_> for snappy ?
[13:59] <popey> oh, no
[13:59] <popey> so probably best to go for tranditional deb based image
[13:59] <ogra_> right
[14:00] <ogra_> there was a very early beta image http://forum.banana-pi.org/t/bpi-m2-new-image-snappy-ubuntu-15-04-image-v4-0-release/436 ...
[14:00] <ogra_> if you cant find anything you at least could fish bootloader and kernel out of that one and just use the good old ubuntu-core tarball
[14:03] <ogra_> popey, in any case, SATA will get you fast file IO ... but for fast compilation you want a fast CPU and much RAM ... it matters what exactly you want to build
[14:04] <ogra_> (images and rootfses -> you want SATA .... compiling libreoffice for arm ... better go for something like a parallella board .... they have impressing compute power)
[14:05] <popey> nah, nothing that big
[14:05] <popey> small phone apps
[14:06] <ogra_> then an rpi would do i guess
[14:06] <ogra_> wont be super fast but you can have snappy as well as ubuntu mate images and easily flip the SDs around
[14:07] <popey> true
[14:07] <jgdx> pete-woods, hey, specific vpn routes (not sure what they're called) are missing from your vpn editor? Are they supported by connectivity api?
[14:08] <ogra_> and i bet you could play around with distcc to cluster a few of them to have distributed compiling
[14:08] <pete-woods> jgdx: I haven't implemented that part
[14:08] <pete-woods> this was already an absolutely massive piece of work
[14:16] <jgdx> pete-woods, yeah, you did an amazing job
[14:17] <jgdx> pete-woods, what are you thoughts on that, though? Is it required for a first phase?
[14:17] <pete-woods> jgdx: I don't think so
[14:17] <jgdx> pete-woods, okay, great.
[14:46] <V99> which is the date of the OTA 9.5 launch?
[14:46] <V99> when*
[14:48] <Smurphy> No idea :(
[14:49] <OerHeks> soon, and OTA 10 in the 1st week of march >> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-touch-ota-9-5-hotfix-on-its-way-to-fix-the-big-mir-issue-on-ubuntu-phones-500231.shtml
[14:49] <Smurphy> 3 Critical, 7 High issues ...
[14:49] <mhall119> mariogrip: I did the flashing of android.img and boot.img you gave me yesterday, now I can't run u-d-f
[14:49] <mhall119> 2016/02/12 09:48:36 error pushing: failed to copy '/home/mhall/.cache/ubuntuimages/ubuntu-touch/stable/FP2/version-2.tar.xz' to '/cache/recovery/': No such file or directory
[14:49] <mhall119> 2016/02/12 09:48:36 error pushing: failed to copy '/home/mhall/.cache/ubuntuimages/ubuntu-touch/stable/FP2/version-2.tar.xz' to '/cache/recovery/': No such file or directory
[14:49] <mhall119> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# ls -lha /cache
[14:49] <mhall119> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Jan 14  1970 /cache -> /android/cache
[14:49] <mhall119> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# ls /android
[14:49] <mhall119> data  firmware  persist  system
[14:50] <mariogrip> cannot use udf
[14:50] <davmor2> jgdx, pete-woods: on and off and working reliably is all that is required for phase one :)  Nice solid foundation then build the other stuff on top of that as you go :)
[14:53] <mhall119> mariogrip: oh, I thought that flashing the android.img and boot.img would allow u-d-f to work
[14:53] <mariogrip> mhall119: it's a problem with recovery
[14:54] <mariogrip> I haven't looked at the problem yet, I will wait to we have wifi so we can update
[14:55] <mariogrip> but did you replace android.img?
[14:55] <mariogrip> mhall119:  from recovery menu?
[14:58] <mariogrip> mhall119: I can fix the udf if you want it
[15:05] <jgdx> davmor2, :) Let's do it!
[15:05] <jgdx> davmor2, pete's vpn editor works for you?
[15:05] <davmor2> jgdx: no idea never used it
[15:06] <jgdx> davmor2, okay, it's here [1] if you wanna give it a go. [1] http://people.canonical.com/~pete/com.ubuntu.developer.pete-woods.vpn-editor_0.2.0_all.click
[15:08] <davmor2> jgdx: no time right now but I'll give it a go after
[15:47] <mhall119> mariogrip: yeah, I replaced the android system from the Ubuntu actions menu, using android.img
[15:47] <mhall119> getting u-d-f working would make it easier going forward
[15:48] <mariogrip> mhall119: ok, I will start working on that when i'm done with some kernel changes
[15:48] <mhall119> mariogrip: awesome work, thanks :)
[15:48] <mariogrip> :)
[15:49] <mhall119> mariogrip: also, should I be using stable, rc-proposed or devel-proposed channel?
[15:49] <mariogrip> rc
[16:43] <mhall119> mariogrip: what are your thoughts on Maarten's email this morning? Are the binary blogs needed for this port going to be a problem?
[16:56] <mariogrip> mhall119: I don't see the binary blobs as a problem (example mako and opo has blobs too), but it would make things easier, but that saying having a fully open source blobs would be awesome! (aka fully opensource phone) but I don't see qcom opensource there blobs.
[16:56] <mhall119> ok
[16:56] <mhall119> that's what I was thinking too, just wanted to check with you
[16:57] <mhall119> mariogrip: I've downloaded the rev 6 images from rc-proposed, can I push them to the phone manually and install them from the recovery menu?
[16:58] <mariogrip> mhall119: I just got the new recovery ready
[16:58] <mariogrip> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56653875/ubuntu/fp2/recovery.img
[16:58] <mariogrip> now udf should work
[16:58] <mhall119> fastboot flash recovery recovery.img?
[16:58] <mariogrip> jup
[16:59] <mariogrip> then reboot to recovery do adb shell "mount /data && mount /cache"
[16:59] <mariogrip> then run udf
[17:00] <mhall119> mhall@mhall-thinkpad:~/Downloads/phablet-flash/fairphone$ sudo fastboot flash recovery recovery.img
[17:00] <mhall119> target reported max download size of 536870912 bytes
[17:00] <mhall119> sending 'recovery' (16416 KB)...
[17:00] <mhall119> OKAY [  0.636s]
[17:00] <mhall119> writing 'recovery'...
[17:00] <mhall119> FAILED (remote: size too large)
[17:00] <mhall119> finished. total time: 0.639s
[17:00] <mariogrip> oh, letme fix that
[17:04] <_Sponge> mariogrip: Did you get my eMail about allowing people to edit the ubport wiki ?
[17:05] <mariogrip> _Sponge: no, i did not, letme check
[17:05] <_Sponge> mhall119: Can we get this to work on Touch ? https://play.google.com/music/gift?u=0#
[17:06] <_Sponge> mariogrip: It'was to your gmail.
[17:06] <mhall119> _Sponge: Google Play Music?
[17:06] <_Sponge> mhall119: yeps
[17:07] <mariogrip> _Sponge: oh, yeah I had to disable that from the wiki due to spam, I will be switching wiki soon
[17:07] <_Sponge> Also #BadVoltage is Out. http://community.badvoltage.org/t/1x60-new-again/10724
[17:07] <_Sponge> mariogrip: Wat wiki shall you be using, exactly ?
[17:07] <mhall119> _Sponge: maybe with https://github.com/simon-weber/gmusicapi ?
[17:08] <mariogrip> _Sponge: We was talking on moving it to wiki.ubuntu.com
[17:08] <mariogrip> or jingo
[17:08] <_Sponge> mariogrip: That'll never happen IMHO.
[17:08] <_Sponge> jingo ?
[17:09]  * _Sponge scans for jingo ..
[17:09] <mariogrip> https://github.com/claudioc/jingo
[17:09] <_Sponge> mhall119: Sorry for pinging you. | I just got excited: http://www.xda-developers.com/xda-external-link/gift-a-google-play-music-subscription-at-50-off/
[17:10] <mariogrip> node.js based and uses git
[17:11] <_Sponge> It needs a_lot of work (jingo) .. but I'm impressed so far.
[17:12] <mariogrip> what do you mean with "That'll never happen IMHO."? I was thinking of doing the switch pretty soon
[17:13] <_Sponge> mariogrip: Putting ubport on wiki.ubuntu.com has distinct limitations, but what would I know.
[17:14] <mhall119> what limitations are you concerned about?
[17:14] <mariogrip> mhall119: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56653875/ubuntu/fp2/recovery.img
[17:15] <_Sponge> mariogrip: The extensions that go with MediaWiki & Semantic MediaWiki make it perfect for the web (as it is). https://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Semantic_MediaWiki
[17:16] <mhall119> mariogrip: ok, flashed and rebooting, now I should be able to use u-d-f?
[17:17] <_Sponge> mhall119: Languages, Funding-Model for ubports, load-time, less-modules for mario to use in extensions for MediaWiki.
[17:17] <mariogrip> _Sponge: MediaWiki is php, baaha
[17:17] <_Sponge> mariogrip: Do you need any help, with this ?
[17:18] <mariogrip> mhall119: yes, but remember adb shell "mount data && mount /cache"
[17:18] <_Sponge> I'm at codeclub ion Saturday, if you'd like to do a jit.si ?
[17:18] <mhall119> mariogrip: from Ubuntu or from the recovery partition?
[17:19] <mariogrip> mhall119: recovery
[17:19] <mariogrip> run udf from recovery
[17:19] <mhall119> ok, running it now
[17:19]  * mhall119 notes that it says "Cyanogen Recovery" again, instead of "Ubports Recovery"
[17:20] <mariogrip> mhall119: Yeah, i removed some images to make space,
[17:21] <mhall119> I see the little Android image, but it's not animated
[17:22] <mariogrip> mhall119: yeah, i see i remove wrong res folder
[17:22] <mhall119> I see Ubuntu splash :)
[17:22] <mariogrip> :D
[17:23] <mhall119> still no /etc/system-image/config.d though :(
[17:24] <mhall119> and there was very little time spent on the Android splash screen, so I'm not convinced that it applied the new images
[17:25] <mariogrip> mhall119: can you reboot to recovery and do adb shell "cat /cache/system-image-upgrader.log"
[17:27] <mhall119> adb reboot recovery sent it back tothe android upgrading splash, which rebooted again (going into ubuntu I think)
[17:28] <mhall119> yeah, something went bad there, manually rebooting it into recovery
[17:29] <mhall119> hmmm, can't seem to get back into recovery, it just goes to the android upgrade screen then reboots
[17:30] <mariogrip> mhall119: just reboot to bootloader, I has a typo (note to self: test before)
[17:30] <mhall119> heh, that's what I'm here for :)
[17:30] <mhall119> ok, back in the bootloader
[17:32] <mariogrip> *uploading*
[17:33] <jamie12> hey i am looking to get involved with ubuntu touch, I was working on firefox OS and they are now discontinuing it so i am looking for a new project to work on
[17:34] <mhall119> jamie12: porting, apps, or developing the OS itself?
[17:34] <jamie12> mhall119: i am looking to work on the OS itself
[17:34] <mhall119> any particular part?
[17:35] <jamie12> QA
[17:35] <mhall119> ah, I know just the guy for you, balloons ^^
[17:35] <balloons> ohh brillant ;-) What part of QA tickles your fancy?
[17:36] <jamie12> well mainly running or generating testcase and manual testing
[17:36] <balloons> specific to ubuntu touch, there's plenty of QA related work for the core apps, which are the community developed set of default apps for the ubuntu touch
[17:36] <jamie12> I have been working on QA for firefox OS for the last year anb a half
[17:36] <balloons> Do you have a device?
[17:37] <jamie12> i was hoping there might be support for the device i have... but i cant seem to find if there is... i have a Z3C which is a high end device
[17:37] <jamie12> lol it currently has firefox OS on it
[17:38] <mhall119> victorp: ^^ do you know if there's any port of Ubuntu for the Z3C (that's a Sony, I think)
[17:38] <jamie12> yes sony Z3C
[17:39] <popey> !devices
[17:39] <ubot5`> You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[17:39] <popey> that page lists ports
[17:43] <victorp> mhall119, not that I know of
[17:43] <jamie12> looks like i might have to work on porting
[17:43] <popey> That would be awesome.
[17:43] <popey> Sony devices are really pretty
[17:43] <mhall119> jamie12: what board does that one use?
[17:44] <jamie12> let me look
[17:44] <ogra_> because you can take them into the shower ?
[17:44] <_Sponge> It's after 5.30 here - I'm for a beer - anyone else out on Valentines Weekend ?
[17:44] <jamie12> one sec need to go grab my device
[17:45] <balloons> jamie12, if you are interested in trying to port, that might be a good first step; especially if you want to do manual QA work
[17:45] <mhall119> mariogrip: how's the upload coming?
[17:46] <mariogrip> mhall119: I had to fix something again, something weird is going on
[17:46] <balloons> do you know python or qml perchance? you can write automated tests without a device
[17:47] <jamie12> balloons: i do know python, but not very well, also sadly automated is not by best suit
[17:48] <jamie12> mhall119: i just know its a qcom, hardware revison of aries
[17:48] <balloons> ahh no worries. We have a nice suite of manunal tests we maintain, but it's more desktop focused. In case you do want to try: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ContributingTestcases/Manual
[17:51] <jamie12> god i hate windows with a passion... one sec, im swapping to linux
[17:52] <Jamie_1> much better
[17:53] <Jamie_1> balloons: can you throw that link at me again?
[17:53] <balloons> Jamie_1, sure: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ContributingTestcases/Manual
[17:53] <Jamie_1> thanks
[17:53] <balloons> Jamie_1, we hang out in #ubuntu-quality. The entire wiki is worth looking over if you want to get a background on what we do: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam
[17:54] <Jamie_1> will do, thanks balloons, right now im just working on getting a new project to work on since my project has reached EOL sadly
[17:57] <mariogrip> mhall119: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56653875/ubuntu/fp2/recovery.img
[17:57] <mariogrip> ogra_: did you see my MP?
[17:59] <mhall119> mariogrip: flashed, reboot now?
[17:59] <mhall119> into recovery or ubuntu?
[17:59] <mariogrip> reboot to recovery :)
[18:00] <mhall119> seeing the ubuntu upgrade splash screen now
[18:00] <mariogrip> mhall119: hope it stays for more then 5 seconds now
[18:00] <mhall119> so far it is :)
[18:01] <mariogrip> yey :D
[18:01] <Jamie_1> balloons: thanks im setting everything up now
[18:02] <mhall119> mariogrip: it's rebooting
[18:02]  * mhall119 gets his hopesup
[18:03] <mariogrip> :)
[18:04] <mhall119> hmmm, saw the ubuntu splash, then it shut off :/
[18:04] <mhall119> let me reboot again and keep the screen awake
[18:05] <mhall119> or should I reboot into recovery and try u-d-f again?
[18:05] <mariogrip> mhall119: just try again
[18:06] <mariogrip> to ubuntu
[18:06] <Piffen> Goop vevning. im New ro IRC any godo rooms to begin with?
[18:06] <mhall119> Ubuntu 15.04 (r6) \o/
[18:06] <mariogrip> \o/
[18:06] <popey> *\o/*
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[18:08] <Jamie_1> balloons: should i just work on setting up desktop and running and writing desktop tests till i can get the port made?
[18:09] <mhall119> it does not like my USB cable anymore though, no data and not even getting power from it :/
[18:09] <mhall119> without adb or network, that's going to make things interesting
[18:10] <balloons> Jamie_1, you are free to do whatever interests you :-) Talk to flocculant for what tests are most needed at the moment; he can point you in the right direction. Though obviously any bug works: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests
[18:10] <mariogrip> mhall119: no power? for adb enable developer mode
[18:11] <mhall119> mariogrip: yeah, I'm not sure why it wouldn't get power
[18:11] <mhall119> I don't get MTP either....somethings up with this cable I think
[18:11] <Jamie_1>  balloons: thanks, sorry about being annoying its gonna take me a little to get used to the way things run with ubuntu.
[18:12] <balloons> Jamie_1, no worries at all. I would recommend trying a few different things out, to see what you enjoy the most and where you excel.
[18:12] <mariogrip> mhall119: I think I found the problem with the screen, it has a old video driver in the kernel (screen works perfectly on the opo)
[18:12] <balloons> glad to have you contributing!
[18:13] <mariogrip> mhall119: I have the same issue, it's not your cable
[18:13] <Jamie_1> balloons: whelp had to find something, Also i will be working on porting to the Z3C... i need to make use of the dam expensive thing anyways
[18:13] <mhall119> yeah, I just tried with my Nexus 4 and it works fine there
[18:14] <mhall119> it gets power when I use my A/C charging cable
[18:15] <mariogrip> mhall119: it might be a problem with the power negotiation
[18:17] <mhall119> mariogrip: could you put the terminal app in the image so we at least have that?
[18:18] <mariogrip> mhall119: you could enable adb at boot
[18:19] <mariogrip> mhall119: download all these files: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mariogrip/Ubuntu-touch/fp2/
[18:19] <mariogrip> use adb-install to install
[18:19] <mariogrip> also, you need to do this from recovery
[18:20] <mariogrip> there is a typo in adb-install, it's ubuntu.img not ubuntu.com
[18:34] <_Sponge> mariogrip: Just a quickie, but if no-one has been able to log-on .. How (?) have you had 'loads of spam ?
[18:35] <mariogrip> _Sponge: I had to disable the log-in due to spam
[18:36] <_Sponge> but according to this https://wiki.ubports.com/w/Special:RecentChanges How have you had "spam" if no-one was able to log on ?
[18:37] <_Sponge> Also It's only been a week.
[18:38] <Zapp-> Hi im trying to find a IRC client that are stand alone an not anweb app for uubuntu
[18:38] <Zapp-> phone
[18:38] <_Sponge> irissi
[18:38] <Zapp-> Irssi on the phone?
[18:39] <ogra_> Zapp-, there is a kiwi irc client in the store
[18:39] <ogra_> (and yes, irssi works if you install it in a chroot in /home/phablet)
[18:41] <Zapp-> Running kiwi IRC now but it is not so configurable
[18:41] <mhall119> mariogrip: that fixed it, even power
[18:41] <mhall119> mariogrip: now, how can I get wifi working?
[18:41] <ogra_> sacrifice a chicken ...
[18:42] <mariogrip> mhall119: first check nmcli d
[18:42] <Zapp-> Would be nice to have andchat from android converted to this os
[18:43] <ogra_> Zapp-, well, convergence will soon let you have xchat and such ...
[18:44] <mariogrip> ogra_: does the kiwi app have notifications?
[18:44] <ogra_> mariogrip, nope
[18:44] <mariogrip> o
[18:44] <mariogrip> k
[18:44] <ogra_> mariogrip, well, it does ... internally in javascript ... but indeed only if the app is focuesd
[18:45] <mariogrip> ogra_:  ah, ok.
[18:46] <ogra_> mariogrip, i have a snappy ircproxy that i was planning to add notification support to and to integrate it with a client app fopr the phone ...
[18:46] <ogra_> but time is so shprt atm
[18:46] <ogra_> *short
[18:46] <dobey> ogra_: znc?
[18:47] <ogra_> bip
[18:47] <dobey> ah. i recall seeing mentions of znc already having push notification support for ubuntu
[18:47] <ogra_> well, feel free to snap it up  ;)
[18:48] <mariogrip> ogra_: that would be awesome
[18:48] <popey> yes, make a snap, which is uninstallable on the phone :þ
[18:48] <ogra_> popey, why would you install the server bit on the phone ?
[18:48] <dobey> popey: running an irc bouncer on your phone is probably not what you want anyway
[18:48] <ogra_> you need a remote server that sends the notifications
[18:49] <popey> why not? :)
[18:49] <dobey> but znc is already packaged in ubuntu too
[18:49] <dobey> popey: because you're not studio?
[18:49] <ogra_> popey, because it would be confined and lifecycled
[18:49] <popey> true :)
[18:49] <ogra_> if you do that you can also just stay with kiwi :)
[18:50] <popey> the lifecycle policy really does shutdown novel ideas sometimes
[18:50] <ogra_> yeah
[18:50] <dobey> don't even get me started ;)
[18:50] <popey> It's incredibly frustrating
[18:50] <ogra_> but otoh we got ten times better batterylife than anyone else :)
[18:50] <popey> pffft
[18:50]  * _Sponge shrugs
[18:51] <dobey> on one device maybe
[18:51] <ogra_> anyway, i doubt it will ever change
[18:51] <ogra_> unless you tie up tvoss and torture him til he agrees
[18:51] <popey> pmcgowan: any movement on the lifecycle issues we discussed some weeks back?
[18:53] <xNear> hmm, what is actually the best phone with ubuntu touch?
[18:53] <dobey> the one you use
[18:53] <ogra_> depends on your usecase ...
[18:53] <mariogrip> oneplus one ;)
[18:54] <xNear> nope, my phone is not supported. there is simple port but its not progressed since months (z1 compact)
[18:54] <ogra_> for photos there is nothing better than the MX4 .... also the display is awesome ...
[18:54] <xNear> do any of us use ubuntu touch as main OS?
[18:54] <xNear> of you*
[18:54] <xNear> sorry
[18:54] <ogra_> but the aquaris 4.5 is definitely a lot faster than all the others
[18:54] <mariogrip> I do, I use bq 4.5
[18:54] <dobey> xNear: i mean, if you have a phone running ubuntu, but you don't use it, then it's not going to be the "best" one :)
[18:54] <popey> OnePlusOne is way faster than MX4 or bq e4.5
[18:54] <JanC> xNear: do you mean for desktop or phone?
[18:55] <popey> and Nexus 4 is faster than 4.5
[18:55] <ogra_> popey, even than the 4.5 ? wow
[18:55] <xNear> phone of course ;)
[18:55] <ogra_> popey, all HW features working on the OPO ?
[18:55] <popey> no
[18:55]  * popey looks at mariogrip :)
[18:55] <ogra_> (bluettoth etc)
[18:55] <popey> bt isnt
[18:55] <ogra_> ah, sad
[18:55] <popey> UI updates are silky compared to mx4 and bq
[18:55] <sergiusens> popey, force thomas to use the phone as his main phone and the lifecycle restrictions will start to get fixed ;-)
[18:55] <dobey> OPO is in similar situation to N5 in terms of hw support
[18:55]  * mariogrip hides
[18:55] <JanC> I have an Aquaris 4.5 also
[18:55] <popey> :) mariogrip
[18:56] <mariogrip> popey: ubp-5.1 looks promising
[18:56] <popey> yay
[18:58] <mariogrip> I also have oneplus x on my road map, (that has pretty much the same hardware as opo)
[18:58] <popey> yeah, i love my opx
[18:59] <popey> wish we had more people who could help you
[18:59]  * dobey just wants good hardware in a 4.3" phone
[18:59] <ogra_> just grow your hads :P
[18:59] <ogra_> *hands
[18:59] <mariogrip> popey: Yeah
[19:03] <mhall119> mariogrip: nmcli d http://paste.ubuntu.com/15028152/
[19:04] <mariogrip> mhall119: check if wcnss_service is running (pidof wcnss_service)
[19:04] <dobey> ogra_: i do find it disturbing that huge phones is even the trend in china/japan :-/
[19:04] <mhall119> mariogrip: nothing
[19:04] <ogra_> dobey, but there they use them as desktops :P
[19:05] <mariogrip> mhall119: try to start it /system/bin/wcnss_service
[19:06] <mhall119> ran it, pidof still returns nothing
[19:07] <dobey> ogra_: not much room to work, doing that.
[19:07] <mariogrip> mhall119: check if there is anything in dmesg or logcat (it seems to have crashed
[19:08] <mhall119> mariogrip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15028212/ is grepped from syslog for wcnss
[19:09] <mariogrip> mhall119: here is the problem:  wcnss: Failed to locate wcnss.mdt
[19:10] <mariogrip> mhall119: do ls /firmware/image/
[19:16] <mariogrip> mhall119: I will start working on wifi after I get the display to behave
[19:17] <mariogrip> mhall119: there is quite a work to enable wifi, so it probably easier to that i fix it in android
[19:17] <mhall119> mariogrip: there is no /firmware
[19:18] <mariogrip> mhall119: i was afraid of that
[19:18] <_Sponge> mariogrip: there are no MediaWiki users, either.
[19:18] <mhall119> mariogrip: I've gotta take my dogs to the vet, so leave me any instructions for what you want me to try and I'll do them when I get back
[19:19] <mariogrip> mhall119: ack
[19:24] <pmcgowan> popey, no progress but hadn't expected any until we cleared the releases
[19:25] <popey> k
[19:33] <pmcgowan> ogra_, hey are you using that k480 kbd? I just got one and wily wont pair it
[19:40] <ogra_> pmcgowan, works on my N7
[19:40] <ogra_> make sure to only press the left pair button
[19:40] <pmcgowan> ogra_, I got prompted for a pin code then it failed
[19:40] <ogra_> weird
[19:40] <ogra_> havent had any issues with it
[19:41] <pmcgowan> ok will see what bluetoothctl says
[19:41] <pmcgowan> might work on the tablet
[19:41] <ogra_> i havent tried it with a phone yet
[19:43] <pmcgowan> ogra_, worked on freiza so all good
[19:43] <ogra_> hmm, something is wrong with the N7
[19:44] <ogra_> comes up with bt off ... and turns itself off after a while
[19:44] <pmcgowan> ogra_, bt got busted ther recently
[19:44] <ogra_> ah
[19:44] <pmcgowan> john-mcaleely, that fixed yet?
[19:44] <ogra_> not on todays image it seems :)
[19:45] <ogra_> pmcgowan, does the freiza fit into the slot ?
[19:45] <pmcgowan> it does!
[19:45] <ogra_> \o/
[19:45] <pmcgowan> bt connection is spotty here too
[19:48] <john-mcaleely> pmcgowan, that's one for alecu & charles I believe
[19:48] <john-mcaleely> ie, they know, not me
[19:48] <pmcgowan> really?
[19:48] <pmcgowan> its losing connection
[19:49] <charles> I'm looking at bug #1530807 right now and am working on the indicator component of that
[19:49] <ubot5`> bug 1530807 in indicator-bluetooth (Ubuntu) "Bluetooth cannot be activated on several devices" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1530807
[19:49] <pmcgowan> feels like bluez crashed
[19:49] <charles> but that doesn't mean I'm taking on all bluez bugs :-)
[19:49] <pmcgowan> its in a state where its not scanning at all
[19:50] <pmcgowan> charles, its like settings cant talk to the backend
[19:51] <charles> pmcgowan, I think there is something going on in systems-settings
[19:51] <charles> the part about discoverable / not discoverable in settings in bug 1530807 isn't coming from the indicator, it's coming from code in u-s-s that talks to bluez
[19:51] <ubot5`> bug 1530807 in indicator-bluetooth (Ubuntu) "Bluetooth cannot be activated on several devices" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1530807
[19:52] <charles> who's been doing u-s-s bugfixes?
[19:52] <pmcgowan> charles, this is what I am seeing
[19:52] <pmcgowan> I paired the keyboard and its working...
[19:52] <tathhu> well, if m10 fits into k480.. i'm even more goign to buy it :P
[19:52] <pmcgowan> then the device no longer sees it
[19:52] <charles> kenvandine, ^
[19:52] <pmcgowan> then the device does see it
[19:53] <pmcgowan> but no settings cannot talk to the backend
[19:53] <pmcgowan> I think the daemon may have restarted
[19:53] <charles> pmcgowan, I think you can use hciconfig to get a dump of bluez status from the command line
[19:54] <dobey> well i can't seem to pair my mako to my PC right now either. it just says "failed" on the PC, and no magic PIN stuff ever happens on the phone
[19:54] <charles> pmcgowan, eg https://launchpadlibrarian.net/233590765/screenshot20160109_140631775.png
[19:55] <kenvandine> my flo never sees devices to connect to
[19:56] <kenvandine> charles, the toggle to turn on and off bluetooth comes from the indicator, but the discoverable thing is just dbus to bluez
[19:56] <kenvandine> i think
[19:56] <charles> kenvandine, I think that's correct
[19:56] <kenvandine> and that's all working fine on my other devices
[19:56] <kenvandine> flo is in bad shape though
[19:56] <charles> kenvandine, I think there are at least two bugs here, one regarding the indicator toggle and the other in system-settings regarding discoverable
[19:57] <charles> I'm adding u-s-s to 1530807
[19:57] <charles> though maybe it should be in a separate ticket...
[19:57] <kenvandine> charles, no, i think they are the same bug
[19:57] <kenvandine> someone said if you enable bluetooth from the command line then it all works
[19:58] <kenvandine> the problem is the toggle in the indicator isn't working
[19:58]  * kenvandine isn't even sure how to do that from the cli :)
[19:58] <pmcgowan> I have bt enabled it simply wont connect the keyboard again
[19:58] <charles> kenvandine, I'm not sure how the indicator could be breaking the discoverable / not discoverable status in systems settings, the indicator doesn't have any of that logic?
[19:59] <kenvandine> charles, i think we can toggle discoverable when bluetooth is disabled
[19:59] <kenvandine> which seem swrong
[19:59] <kenvandine> seems wrong
[19:59] <pmcgowan> Failed to connect: org.bluez.Error.Failed
[19:59] <pmcgowan> seems there are multiple problems here
[20:00] <kenvandine> charles, so bluez can report it is discoverable, but other devices won't see it if bluetooth is disabled
[20:00] <charles> kenvandine, that's plausible
[20:00] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, maybe, but multiple problems only on some devices?
[20:00] <kenvandine> charles, yeah, i think the bluez API lets us interact with it
[20:00] <charles> I don't know if that's what's happening but it passes the sniff test anyway
[20:01] <kenvandine> even though the device is actually blocked
[20:01] <kenvandine> someday i might understand bluez :)
[20:01] <charles> kenvandine, what is the bluetooth settings plugin getting from the indicator? just the on/off flag?
[20:01] <kenvandine> yeah
[20:02] <charles> ok
[20:02] <charles> I'll see if I can't figure out what's going wrong in the indicator
[20:03] <kenvandine> charles, and i think a restart of indicator-bluetooth makes it work again
[20:04] <Mujisiro> Hi all, is there anyone who successfully installed ubuntu touch on a lg g2?
[20:04] <charles> kenvandine, yeah I'm seeing the same thing, and I think someone in-ticket reported that as well
[20:05] <charles> kenvandine, it may be a startup timing issue, eg the indicator expecting bluez to be ready for business when the indicator starts
[20:05] <kenvandine> yeah, confirmed everything seems peachy after restarting indicator-bluetooth
[20:05] <charles> cool
[20:07] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, Ithe bt panel just isnt initating scans
[20:07] <alecu> charles: sounds like what you suspected all along
[20:07] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, it is for me
[20:08] <alecu> charles: is there a way to steadily reproduce this?
[20:08] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, it will scan with devices connected right?
[20:08] <kenvandine> but on my flo only after restarting indicator-bluetooth
[20:08] <charles> pmcgowan, will it initiate scans after you restart indicator-bluetooth?
[20:08] <kenvandine> i just forgot all devices and let it find them again
[20:08] <kenvandine> and paired the mouse
[20:08] <kenvandine> all worked perfectly
[20:08] <charles> alecu, I don't know how to reproduce it every time yet
[20:08] <kenvandine> after restarting the indicator
[20:08] <pmcgowan> charles, how?
[20:08] <charles> pmcgowan, from phablet-shell, "restart indicator-bluetooth"
[20:09] <pmcgowan> Unknown job: indicator-bluetooth
[20:09] <kenvandine> no sudo
[20:10] <pmcgowan> I am in with adb shell then did su phablet ?
[20:10] <pmcgowan> phablet-shell doesnt work
[20:10] <kenvandine> ah
[20:10] <kenvandine> yeah
[20:10] <kenvandine> su - phablet
[20:11] <pmcgowan> sigh
[20:11] <pmcgowan> -su: restart: command not found
[20:11] <kenvandine> install the terminal app :)
[20:11] <charles> :)
[20:12] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, it's an upstart session job
[20:12] <pmcgowan> installing
[20:12] <pmcgowan> oh ffff
[20:12] <pmcgowan> just lost connection to the keyboard
[20:12] <kenvandine> omg
[20:12] <kenvandine> :)
[20:13]  * pmcgowan hates bluetooth it has never worked
[20:13] <charles> +1
[20:17] <dobey> pmcgowan: what, you using a nexus 5 too now? :P
[20:19] <pmcgowan> I feel dobey's pain
[20:24] <davmor2> pmcgowan: pfff dobey uses it by choice don't fooled into empathising with him, he is just a glutton for punishment :)
[20:25] <alecu> davmor2: lol
[20:31] <alecu> charles: I think I managed to get my bq 4.5 into the broken state
[20:32] <alecu> charles: I first disable autostart of the bluetooth daemon:
[20:32] <alecu> echo "manual" | sudo tee /etc/init/bluetooth.override
[20:32] <alecu> then I reboot
[20:32] <alecu> and after everything starts, I run "sudo start bluetooth"
[20:33] <alecu> after that, the on/off switch in indicator and system settings seems to not match
[20:33] <alecu> and bluetooth keeps connected all the time, independent of what those switches show.
[20:54] <alecu> added a comment about that to the bug.
[20:54] <alecu> charles: I agree that this looks like an initialization problem.
[21:37] <k1l> http://maruos.com/  seems like someone picked that ubuntu4android idea and made it debian4android
[21:38] <popey> kinda
[21:38] <popey> u4a was a somewhat different animal
[21:39] <popey> lots of integration between the two OSs
[21:39] <popey> which they may be able to do with maru, who knows
[21:39] <dobey> well, lots of demo anyway. i don't think we had any practical integration work completed there, did we?
[21:40] <popey> yes
[21:40] <popey> thunderbird on desktop accessed android contacts for example
[21:40] <k1l> yes, i have seen nothing than nice photos so far. that why i said idea.
[21:40] <popey> It's good though, validates the idea that a computer in your pocket can be more than just a phone.
[22:41] <sarnold> k1l: would you consider unbanning *!*@unaffiliated/ilhami ? he's asked a question in #ubuntu-devel that's probably better suited here; thanks
[22:42] <k1l> sarnold: hi. i will no unban that user since he is an issue since 2013 and was banned several times and proven that he will be an issue again when given a 2nd chance.
[22:42] <sarnold> k1l: thanks for the consideration and explanation :)
[22:42] <k1l> sarnold: i told him to use the mailinglist if he really needs support or got questions. but seems that effort is too much for him.
[22:43] <sarnold> k1l: heh, I'm familiar with the trait :/
[23:16] <TLF> https://answers.launchpad.net/podbird/+question/284960
[23:17] <TLF> Anyone know how to restore thumbnails in Podbird?
[23:18] <TLF> I deleted the dir in .config so it would load. It worked, but I have no images now.
[23:19] <ogra_> k1l, it is "divergence" (two OSes on two displays on one device)
[23:20] <ogra_> :)
[23:20] <k1l> :)
[23:20] <ogra_> they still have to deliver something first though ...
[23:22] <k1l> yeah. i have just seen "mockup" photos so far. but i still think there is a market for android+real desktop looking at the smartphone marketshare of android.
[23:24] <ogra_> LOL !
[23:24] <ogra_> Produktmerkmale
[23:24] <ogra_>     Android 5.1 (Lutscher)
[23:24] <ogra_> http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B017IG7DLC/ref=noref?ie=UTF8&psc=1&s=ce-de
[23:24] <ogra_> (sorry, only funny for germans i guess)
[23:25] <k1l> muahahaa, thats a nice lost in translation
[23:25] <ogra_> yeah