=== ezri is now known as rww === diddledan_ is now known as diddledan === kalikiana_ is now known as kalikiana === salem_ is now known as _salem === balloons16 is now known as balloons === ljp is now known as lpotter [09:08] * _Sponge checks his watch. http://i.imgur.com/tqUNgSj.jpg [09:08] <_Sponge> It's Friday \o/ Yay ! [09:09] <_Sponge> Morning everyone. [09:10] !yay | _Sponge [09:10] _Sponge: Glad you made it! :-) [09:10] Nice timepiece [09:47] hello! where is the android lxc located in a preinstalled ubuntu-touch image? [10:17] mpt: hi! I guess I should also show the package name (in the form com.ubuntu/Mail) in the secondary text in this page, right? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OnlineAccounts?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=phone-accounts-account.png [10:18] _Sponge: *lol* Nice wrist Watch you got there ... [10:18] mardy, hmm, I don’t know. If we did, we’d need to show it here too: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityPermissions#Permission_lists [10:18] mardy, we should ask tvoss [10:18] sil2100: morning [10:19] Nice keyboard too! [10:19] Guys - instead of Twitter - put Wahtsapp into the phone. [10:19] Ok! [10:19] I'll get right on that. [10:19] mpt: I vote for adding it, because it's not uncommon for an app and scope to have the same display name (like: Vkontakte, Facebook, Instagram) [10:20] mpt: this would let the user tell them apart (assuming that the icon is also the same) [10:20] mardy, for a very geeky definition of “the user”, but yeah [10:20] :-) [10:21] mpt: well, it's something: otherwise there might be absolutely no hint to tell two apps apart [10:22] bshah: morning :) [10:22] bshah: any luck with 'teh branch'? [10:22] sil2100: so your final patch seems to work fine :) [10:22] ? [10:23] ! [10:23] mpt, what would be design's proposal to solve the issue that mardy mentions? glad for other suggestions [10:23] Yay ;) Just hope that there were no other hidden issues with repacking the keyring [10:23] though I can't test that image "works" [10:23] because shadeslayer don't have access to e5 for 2 week [10:23] bshah: it seems it's been really long since we last used the 'keyring=' option anywhere, so this part of the code was a bit left for dead [10:24] tvoss, I don’t know … I wish there was a better one, though [10:25] mpt, so display of the app id is not optimal, admittedly, but anything we can do has to be based on it [10:27] tvoss, I wonder if we could use something like those auto-generated avatars on Web sites that are based on the commenter’s e-mail address [10:29] mpt, hmmm, interesting idea [10:29] They’re called identicons, apparently https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identicon [10:29] mpt, but we would have to educate the user what they actually mean, too [10:30] yes [10:31] mpt, can you take that conversation back to design? [10:31] sure [10:33] mpt, ideally, we would even surface the identicon in the store [10:35] sil2100: one feature request or minor bug that is hunting me.. so if I publish only one image in channel still it generates delta files and that is just time consuming [10:35] anyway to disable delta generation? [10:55] bshah: hm, you mean you publish just one image in a channel (i.e. no other images were in that channel) it generates a delta still? [10:56] bshah: a delta shouldn't be generated then, not if you didn't define a custom deltabase [10:56] bshah: but anyway, it's possible to disable delta generation for a channel in overall, but then you get no deltas [10:57] mpt: meanwhile, would it be fine if I add the package line as we do in the trust store prompts? [10:57] mardy, sure [11:05] sil2100: I've defined [11:05] versionbase = 1 [11:05] fullcount = 1 [11:05] still it generatees delta. [11:11] bshah: you don't want to have deltas at all in the channel? [11:11] no.. === _salem is now known as salem_ [11:46] ogra_ question about that logitech K480. Do you actually use it for the bq tablet? Does it sit well in the holder? is it wide enough for that? [11:49] Hi, does ubuntu-touch have a special mechanism to store status/data of the phone in case power loss? [12:04] matv1, i dont have a bq tablet (yet) .... i use it with my old N7 currently [12:04] matv1, but i would expect the bq to fit ... perhaps popey knows [12:04] i know there are such kbd's in the canonical office so i would expect *someone* to have tried that [12:05] I dont have a bq tablet [12:06] oh my [12:06] happy to measure the k380 though [12:06] popey, no, but you are at the office at times and could have seen one sitting in a k480 kbd :) [12:06] matv1, why oh my ? [12:06] JMulholland oi oi, have you seen any Logitech (black and yellow) Bluetooth keyboards around? Fancy jamming a BQ M10 into it to see if it fits? :) [12:07] the slot has a lot of wiggle room if i use the n7 [12:08] well ogra_ and popey not even having used a phisical bq tablet is not what i expected if you guys are releasing it in a month or something [12:08] Plenty of others have them [12:08] Not everyone needs one [12:08] ah! [12:08] matv1, i dont work on the phone team since about a year now :) [12:08] yeah the ones that have one play remote controlled testers [12:09] i'm a normal customer, like you :) [12:09] which is kind of nice.. delegating testing some one else .. you can focus on generatig ideas [12:09] anpok, does that mean you casn call yourself an "architect" now ? [12:09] (seems to be a fashionable thing :) ) [12:10] yeah.. solution architect maybe [12:12] ogra_ popey ok cool :) [12:16] Hi all! [12:17] someone to lend a hand with two customers? [12:17] =) [12:18] victor_bq: what's up? [12:19] well I've got two customer experiencing this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1508081 [12:19] Launchpad bug 1508081 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "Fails to receive OTA updates" [High,In progress] [12:20] have you seen comment #18 from Ken? [12:21] ok, I'll give them those instructions [12:21] and if the problem remains? something else to do? [12:22] I wonder if opening the terminal and manually running "system-image-cli" will do it. barry or kenvandine may know... [12:22] well enough for me =), if the problem persists I'll contact again [12:23] thanks popey! [12:23] np [12:23] popey victor bq if i may jump in. I distinctly remember ogra_ saying that to another person with the same problem, which resolved it then. about a week ago i think [12:24] handy to know [12:24] great! [12:24] thanks matv1 [12:24] thanks =) [12:24] but i have no way to confirm as i do not know how to recreate the failing ota [12:25] Well, no problem I'll let you know in the bug if it worked for this 2 customers ;) [12:26] cool, i hope it does [12:36] bshah: sorry, went to lunch - anyway, if you don't want to have deltas at all in a given channel, just add 'deltabase = ' to the channel config [12:37] oh okay [12:37] bshah: this basically means that no deltas will be generated, only full images [12:37] ok [12:37] (it will generate a warning but work as intended) [12:38] But yeah, OTA updates will be big then [12:44] well plasma mobile is still under development so we don't have kind of OTA update etc === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:46] ogra_: what's the best low price ubuntu compatible arm device that I could use for building? [13:46] Preferably something that has sata port or some other decent size storage (i.e. not a phone) [13:48] depends ... if you want to fiddle a little i'd go with a bananaPi ... that has SATA [13:48] (natively) [13:48] else rpi with snappy in a classic shell (that gets you a full apt env in the 16.04 images) [13:50] if I went rpi I'd probably just go for normal ubuntu images [13:52] actually, I have a bananapi! [13:52] i think [13:53] \o/ i do [13:56] ogra_: do we have a snappy image for the banana pi? [13:56] not anymore, no [13:57] we used to in 15.04 ... but that wouldnt help you much [13:57] but i bet you will find some ubuntu image somewhere for it [13:57] bah [13:58] actually 15.04 would help [13:58] because I want to build stuff for 15.04 :) [13:59] for snappy ? [13:59] oh, no [13:59] so probably best to go for tranditional deb based image [13:59] right [14:00] there was a very early beta image http://forum.banana-pi.org/t/bpi-m2-new-image-snappy-ubuntu-15-04-image-v4-0-release/436 ... [14:00] if you cant find anything you at least could fish bootloader and kernel out of that one and just use the good old ubuntu-core tarball [14:03] popey, in any case, SATA will get you fast file IO ... but for fast compilation you want a fast CPU and much RAM ... it matters what exactly you want to build [14:04] (images and rootfses -> you want SATA .... compiling libreoffice for arm ... better go for something like a parallella board .... they have impressing compute power) [14:05] nah, nothing that big [14:05] small phone apps [14:06] then an rpi would do i guess [14:06] wont be super fast but you can have snappy as well as ubuntu mate images and easily flip the SDs around [14:07] true [14:07] pete-woods, hey, specific vpn routes (not sure what they're called) are missing from your vpn editor? Are they supported by connectivity api? [14:08] and i bet you could play around with distcc to cluster a few of them to have distributed compiling [14:08] jgdx: I haven't implemented that part [14:08] this was already an absolutely massive piece of work === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [14:16] pete-woods, yeah, you did an amazing job [14:17] pete-woods, what are you thoughts on that, though? Is it required for a first phase? [14:17] jgdx: I don't think so [14:17] pete-woods, okay, great. === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:46] which is the date of the OTA 9.5 launch? [14:46] when* [14:48] No idea :( [14:49] soon, and OTA 10 in the 1st week of march >> http://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu-touch-ota-9-5-hotfix-on-its-way-to-fix-the-big-mir-issue-on-ubuntu-phones-500231.shtml [14:49] 3 Critical, 7 High issues ... [14:49] mariogrip: I did the flashing of android.img and boot.img you gave me yesterday, now I can't run u-d-f [14:49] 2016/02/12 09:48:36 error pushing: failed to copy '/home/mhall/.cache/ubuntuimages/ubuntu-touch/stable/FP2/version-2.tar.xz' to '/cache/recovery/': No such file or directory [14:49] 2016/02/12 09:48:36 error pushing: failed to copy '/home/mhall/.cache/ubuntuimages/ubuntu-touch/stable/FP2/version-2.tar.xz' to '/cache/recovery/': No such file or directory [14:49] root@ubuntu-phablet:/# ls -lha /cache [14:49] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Jan 14 1970 /cache -> /android/cache [14:49] root@ubuntu-phablet:/# ls /android [14:49] data firmware persist system [14:50] cannot use udf [14:50] jgdx, pete-woods: on and off and working reliably is all that is required for phase one :) Nice solid foundation then build the other stuff on top of that as you go :) === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [14:53] mariogrip: oh, I thought that flashing the android.img and boot.img would allow u-d-f to work [14:53] mhall119: it's a problem with recovery [14:54] I haven't looked at the problem yet, I will wait to we have wifi so we can update [14:55] but did you replace android.img? [14:55] mhall119: from recovery menu? [14:58] mhall119: I can fix the udf if you want it [15:05] davmor2, :) Let's do it! [15:05] davmor2, pete's vpn editor works for you? [15:05] jgdx: no idea never used it [15:06] davmor2, okay, it's here [1] if you wanna give it a go. [1] http://people.canonical.com/~pete/com.ubuntu.developer.pete-woods.vpn-editor_0.2.0_all.click [15:08] jgdx: no time right now but I'll give it a go after [15:47] mariogrip: yeah, I replaced the android system from the Ubuntu actions menu, using android.img [15:47] getting u-d-f working would make it easier going forward [15:48] mhall119: ok, I will start working on that when i'm done with some kernel changes [15:48] mariogrip: awesome work, thanks :) [15:48] :) [15:49] mariogrip: also, should I be using stable, rc-proposed or devel-proposed channel? [15:49] rc [16:43] mariogrip: what are your thoughts on Maarten's email this morning? Are the binary blogs needed for this port going to be a problem? [16:56] mhall119: I don't see the binary blobs as a problem (example mako and opo has blobs too), but it would make things easier, but that saying having a fully open source blobs would be awesome! (aka fully opensource phone) but I don't see qcom opensource there blobs. [16:56] ok [16:56] that's what I was thinking too, just wanted to check with you [16:57] mariogrip: I've downloaded the rev 6 images from rc-proposed, can I push them to the phone manually and install them from the recovery menu? [16:58] mhall119: I just got the new recovery ready [16:58] https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56653875/ubuntu/fp2/recovery.img [16:58] now udf should work [16:58] fastboot flash recovery recovery.img? [16:58] jup [16:59] then reboot to recovery do adb shell "mount /data && mount /cache" [16:59] then run udf [17:00] mhall@mhall-thinkpad:~/Downloads/phablet-flash/fairphone$ sudo fastboot flash recovery recovery.img [17:00] target reported max download size of 536870912 bytes [17:00] sending 'recovery' (16416 KB)... [17:00] OKAY [ 0.636s] [17:00] writing 'recovery'... [17:00] FAILED (remote: size too large) [17:00] finished. total time: 0.639s [17:00] oh, letme fix that [17:04] <_Sponge> mariogrip: Did you get my eMail about allowing people to edit the ubport wiki ? [17:05] _Sponge: no, i did not, letme check [17:05] <_Sponge> mhall119: Can we get this to work on Touch ? https://play.google.com/music/gift?u=0# [17:06] <_Sponge> mariogrip: It'was to your gmail. [17:06] _Sponge: Google Play Music? [17:06] <_Sponge> mhall119: yeps [17:07] _Sponge: oh, yeah I had to disable that from the wiki due to spam, I will be switching wiki soon [17:07] <_Sponge> Also #BadVoltage is Out. http://community.badvoltage.org/t/1x60-new-again/10724 [17:07] <_Sponge> mariogrip: Wat wiki shall you be using, exactly ? [17:07] _Sponge: maybe with https://github.com/simon-weber/gmusicapi ? [17:08] _Sponge: We was talking on moving it to wiki.ubuntu.com [17:08] or jingo [17:08] <_Sponge> mariogrip: That'll never happen IMHO. [17:08] <_Sponge> jingo ? [17:09] * _Sponge scans for jingo .. [17:09] https://github.com/claudioc/jingo [17:09] <_Sponge> mhall119: Sorry for pinging you. | I just got excited: http://www.xda-developers.com/xda-external-link/gift-a-google-play-music-subscription-at-50-off/ [17:10] node.js based and uses git [17:11] <_Sponge> It needs a_lot of work (jingo) .. but I'm impressed so far. [17:12] what do you mean with "That'll never happen IMHO."? I was thinking of doing the switch pretty soon === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [17:13] <_Sponge> mariogrip: Putting ubport on wiki.ubuntu.com has distinct limitations, but what would I know. [17:14] what limitations are you concerned about? [17:14] mhall119: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56653875/ubuntu/fp2/recovery.img [17:15] <_Sponge> mariogrip: The extensions that go with MediaWiki & Semantic MediaWiki make it perfect for the web (as it is). https://www.semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Semantic_MediaWiki [17:16] mariogrip: ok, flashed and rebooting, now I should be able to use u-d-f? [17:17] <_Sponge> mhall119: Languages, Funding-Model for ubports, load-time, less-modules for mario to use in extensions for MediaWiki. [17:17] _Sponge: MediaWiki is php, baaha [17:17] <_Sponge> mariogrip: Do you need any help, with this ? [17:18] mhall119: yes, but remember adb shell "mount data && mount /cache" [17:18] <_Sponge> I'm at codeclub ion Saturday, if you'd like to do a jit.si ? [17:18] mariogrip: from Ubuntu or from the recovery partition? [17:19] mhall119: recovery [17:19] run udf from recovery [17:19] ok, running it now [17:19] * mhall119 notes that it says "Cyanogen Recovery" again, instead of "Ubports Recovery" [17:20] mhall119: Yeah, i removed some images to make space, [17:21] I see the little Android image, but it's not animated [17:22] mhall119: yeah, i see i remove wrong res folder [17:22] I see Ubuntu splash :) [17:22] :D [17:23] still no /etc/system-image/config.d though :( [17:24] and there was very little time spent on the Android splash screen, so I'm not convinced that it applied the new images [17:25] mhall119: can you reboot to recovery and do adb shell "cat /cache/system-image-upgrader.log" [17:27] adb reboot recovery sent it back tothe android upgrading splash, which rebooted again (going into ubuntu I think) [17:28] yeah, something went bad there, manually rebooting it into recovery [17:29] hmmm, can't seem to get back into recovery, it just goes to the android upgrade screen then reboots [17:30] mhall119: just reboot to bootloader, I has a typo (note to self: test before) [17:30] heh, that's what I'm here for :) [17:30] ok, back in the bootloader [17:32] *uploading* [17:33] hey i am looking to get involved with ubuntu touch, I was working on firefox OS and they are now discontinuing it so i am looking for a new project to work on [17:34] jamie12: porting, apps, or developing the OS itself? [17:34] mhall119: i am looking to work on the OS itself [17:34] any particular part? [17:35] QA [17:35] ah, I know just the guy for you, balloons ^^ [17:35] ohh brillant ;-) What part of QA tickles your fancy? [17:36] well mainly running or generating testcase and manual testing [17:36] specific to ubuntu touch, there's plenty of QA related work for the core apps, which are the community developed set of default apps for the ubuntu touch [17:36] I have been working on QA for firefox OS for the last year anb a half [17:36] Do you have a device? [17:37] i was hoping there might be support for the device i have... but i cant seem to find if there is... i have a Z3C which is a high end device [17:37] lol it currently has firefox OS on it [17:38] victorp: ^^ do you know if there's any port of Ubuntu for the Z3C (that's a Sony, I think) [17:38] yes sony Z3C [17:39] !devices [17:39] You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices [17:39] that page lists ports [17:43] mhall119, not that I know of [17:43] looks like i might have to work on porting [17:43] That would be awesome. [17:43] Sony devices are really pretty [17:43] jamie12: what board does that one use? [17:44] let me look [17:44] because you can take them into the shower ? [17:44] <_Sponge> It's after 5.30 here - I'm for a beer - anyone else out on Valentines Weekend ? [17:44] one sec need to go grab my device [17:45] jamie12, if you are interested in trying to port, that might be a good first step; especially if you want to do manual QA work [17:45] mariogrip: how's the upload coming? [17:46] mhall119: I had to fix something again, something weird is going on [17:46] do you know python or qml perchance? you can write automated tests without a device [17:47] balloons: i do know python, but not very well, also sadly automated is not by best suit [17:48] mhall119: i just know its a qcom, hardware revison of aries [17:48] ahh no worries. We have a nice suite of manunal tests we maintain, but it's more desktop focused. In case you do want to try: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ContributingTestcases/Manual [17:51] god i hate windows with a passion... one sec, im swapping to linux [17:52] much better [17:53] balloons: can you throw that link at me again? [17:53] Jamie_1, sure: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ContributingTestcases/Manual [17:53] thanks [17:53] Jamie_1, we hang out in #ubuntu-quality. The entire wiki is worth looking over if you want to get a background on what we do: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam [17:54] will do, thanks balloons, right now im just working on getting a new project to work on since my project has reached EOL sadly [17:57] mhall119: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/56653875/ubuntu/fp2/recovery.img [17:57] ogra_: did you see my MP? [17:59] mariogrip: flashed, reboot now? [17:59] into recovery or ubuntu? [17:59] reboot to recovery :) [18:00] seeing the ubuntu upgrade splash screen now [18:00] mhall119: hope it stays for more then 5 seconds now [18:00] so far it is :) [18:01] yey :D [18:01] balloons: thanks im setting everything up now [18:02] mariogrip: it's rebooting [18:02] * mhall119 gets his hopesup [18:03] :) [18:04] hmmm, saw the ubuntu splash, then it shut off :/ [18:04] let me reboot again and keep the screen awake [18:05] or should I reboot into recovery and try u-d-f again? [18:05] mhall119: just try again [18:06] to ubuntu [18:06] Goop vevning. im New ro IRC any godo rooms to begin with? [18:06] Ubuntu 15.04 (r6) \o/ [18:06] \o/ [18:06] *\o/* [18:07] !alis | Piffen [18:07] Piffen: alis is a services bot that can help you find channels. Read "/msg alis help list" . For more help or questions relating to alis, please join #freenode. Example usage: /msg alis list #ubuntu or /msg alis list http [18:08] balloons: should i just work on setting up desktop and running and writing desktop tests till i can get the port made? [18:09] it does not like my USB cable anymore though, no data and not even getting power from it :/ [18:09] without adb or network, that's going to make things interesting [18:10] Jamie_1, you are free to do whatever interests you :-) Talk to flocculant for what tests are most needed at the moment; he can point you in the right direction. Though obviously any bug works: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests [18:10] mhall119: no power? for adb enable developer mode [18:11] mariogrip: yeah, I'm not sure why it wouldn't get power [18:11] I don't get MTP either....somethings up with this cable I think [18:11] balloons: thanks, sorry about being annoying its gonna take me a little to get used to the way things run with ubuntu. [18:12] Jamie_1, no worries at all. I would recommend trying a few different things out, to see what you enjoy the most and where you excel. [18:12] mhall119: I think I found the problem with the screen, it has a old video driver in the kernel (screen works perfectly on the opo) [18:12] glad to have you contributing! [18:13] mhall119: I have the same issue, it's not your cable [18:13] balloons: whelp had to find something, Also i will be working on porting to the Z3C... i need to make use of the dam expensive thing anyways [18:13] yeah, I just tried with my Nexus 4 and it works fine there [18:14] it gets power when I use my A/C charging cable [18:15] mhall119: it might be a problem with the power negotiation [18:17] mariogrip: could you put the terminal app in the image so we at least have that? === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [18:18] mhall119: you could enable adb at boot [18:19] mhall119: download all these files: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mariogrip/Ubuntu-touch/fp2/ [18:19] use adb-install to install [18:19] also, you need to do this from recovery [18:20] there is a typo in adb-install, it's ubuntu.img not ubuntu.com [18:34] <_Sponge> mariogrip: Just a quickie, but if no-one has been able to log-on .. How (?) have you had 'loads of spam ? [18:35] _Sponge: I had to disable the log-in due to spam [18:36] <_Sponge> but according to this https://wiki.ubports.com/w/Special:RecentChanges How have you had "spam" if no-one was able to log on ? [18:37] <_Sponge> Also It's only been a week. [18:38] Hi im trying to find a IRC client that are stand alone an not anweb app for uubuntu [18:38] phone [18:38] <_Sponge> irissi [18:38] Irssi on the phone? [18:39] Zapp-, there is a kiwi irc client in the store [18:39] (and yes, irssi works if you install it in a chroot in /home/phablet) [18:41] Running kiwi IRC now but it is not so configurable [18:41] mariogrip: that fixed it, even power [18:41] mariogrip: now, how can I get wifi working? [18:41] sacrifice a chicken ... [18:42] mhall119: first check nmcli d [18:42] Would be nice to have andchat from android converted to this os [18:43] Zapp-, well, convergence will soon let you have xchat and such ... [18:44] ogra_: does the kiwi app have notifications? [18:44] mariogrip, nope [18:44] o [18:44] k [18:44] mariogrip, well, it does ... internally in javascript ... but indeed only if the app is focuesd === Elimin8er is now known as Elimin8or [18:45] ogra_: ah, ok. [18:46] mariogrip, i have a snappy ircproxy that i was planning to add notification support to and to integrate it with a client app fopr the phone ... [18:46] but time is so shprt atm [18:46] *short [18:46] ogra_: znc? [18:47] bip [18:47] ah. i recall seeing mentions of znc already having push notification support for ubuntu [18:47] well, feel free to snap it up ;) [18:48] ogra_: that would be awesome [18:48] yes, make a snap, which is uninstallable on the phone :þ [18:48] popey, why would you install the server bit on the phone ? [18:48] popey: running an irc bouncer on your phone is probably not what you want anyway [18:48] you need a remote server that sends the notifications [18:49] why not? :) [18:49] but znc is already packaged in ubuntu too [18:49] popey: because you're not studio? [18:49] popey, because it would be confined and lifecycled [18:49] true :) [18:49] if you do that you can also just stay with kiwi :) [18:50] the lifecycle policy really does shutdown novel ideas sometimes [18:50] yeah [18:50] don't even get me started ;) [18:50] It's incredibly frustrating [18:50] but otoh we got ten times better batterylife than anyone else :) [18:50] pffft [18:50] * _Sponge shrugs [18:51] on one device maybe [18:51] anyway, i doubt it will ever change [18:51] unless you tie up tvoss and torture him til he agrees [18:51] pmcgowan: any movement on the lifecycle issues we discussed some weeks back? [18:53] hmm, what is actually the best phone with ubuntu touch? [18:53] the one you use [18:53] depends on your usecase ... [18:53] oneplus one ;) [18:54] nope, my phone is not supported. there is simple port but its not progressed since months (z1 compact) [18:54] for photos there is nothing better than the MX4 .... also the display is awesome ... [18:54] do any of us use ubuntu touch as main OS? [18:54] of you* [18:54] sorry [18:54] but the aquaris 4.5 is definitely a lot faster than all the others [18:54] I do, I use bq 4.5 [18:54] xNear: i mean, if you have a phone running ubuntu, but you don't use it, then it's not going to be the "best" one :) [18:54] OnePlusOne is way faster than MX4 or bq e4.5 [18:54] xNear: do you mean for desktop or phone? [18:55] and Nexus 4 is faster than 4.5 [18:55] popey, even than the 4.5 ? wow [18:55] phone of course ;) [18:55] popey, all HW features working on the OPO ? [18:55] no [18:55] * popey looks at mariogrip :) [18:55] (bluettoth etc) [18:55] bt isnt [18:55] ah, sad [18:55] UI updates are silky compared to mx4 and bq [18:55] popey, force thomas to use the phone as his main phone and the lifecycle restrictions will start to get fixed ;-) [18:55] OPO is in similar situation to N5 in terms of hw support [18:55] * mariogrip hides [18:55] I have an Aquaris 4.5 also [18:55] :) mariogrip [18:56] popey: ubp-5.1 looks promising [18:56] yay [18:58] I also have oneplus x on my road map, (that has pretty much the same hardware as opo) [18:58] yeah, i love my opx [18:59] wish we had more people who could help you [18:59] * dobey just wants good hardware in a 4.3" phone [18:59] just grow your hads :P [18:59] *hands [18:59] popey: Yeah [19:03] mariogrip: nmcli d http://paste.ubuntu.com/15028152/ [19:04] mhall119: check if wcnss_service is running (pidof wcnss_service) [19:04] ogra_: i do find it disturbing that huge phones is even the trend in china/japan :-/ [19:04] mariogrip: nothing [19:04] dobey, but there they use them as desktops :P [19:05] mhall119: try to start it /system/bin/wcnss_service [19:06] ran it, pidof still returns nothing [19:07] ogra_: not much room to work, doing that. 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