[06:30] <Kilos> morning everyone
[07:14] <superfly> Morning Kilos 
[07:15] <Kilos> hi superfly 
[07:19] <superfly> Just finished breakfast. Drinking our coffee and then off to the shops. 
[07:19] <Kilos> enjoy
[07:20] <Kilos> and go safe
[08:50] <inetpro> good evening everyone 
[08:51] <inetpro> oops... I mean morning 
[08:51] <Kilos> ohi inetpro 
[08:51] <Kilos> internet been slow last few days
[08:58] <inetpro> why? 
[09:01] <Kilos> good question
[09:02] <Kilos> i havent even tried to find out
[09:02] <Kilos> had some busy days and head not happy today
[11:07] <superfly> Kilos: tell your head to be happy, or else! 
[11:26] <Kilos> hahaha
[12:03] <Kilos> maybe i should install ubuntu alongside kde so i can keep in touch
[12:47] <inetpro> Kilos: hoekom?
[12:49] <inetpro> superfly: glad to see you survived the shopping spree
[13:38] <Kilos> hoekom wat inetpro 
[13:38] <inetpro> hoekom ubuntu langs kde installeer?
[13:38] <Kilos> o
[13:39] <Kilos> we dan kan ek sien as ek iemand moet help
[13:39] <Kilos> weet jy dat ek nou net kde hier op lappie het
[13:40] <Kilos> ek kannie als in cli doen soos julle nie
[13:41] <inetpro> hmm... 
[13:41] <Kilos> arme iqbal het ek nog nie eers aan die gang gekry nie
[13:43] <inetpro> Kilos: remember, you have neither the power nor responsibility to fix it all
[13:45] <Kilos> that doesnt mean i must stop trying
[13:45] <Kilos> if i could get it here i would fix it
[14:04] <inetpro> very kind of you oom Kilos
[14:04] <Kilos> nee man
[14:05] <Kilos> dont like to see peeps battling with ubuntu
[16:45] <Kilos> inetpro look how slow the web is
[16:45] <Kilos> Get: 1 http://ubuntu.mirror.neology.co.za/ubuntu/ trusty-updates/main firefox amd64 44.0.2+build1-0ubuntu0.14.04.1 [42,0 MB]
[16:45] <Kilos> Fetched 42,0 MB in 2min 50s (247 kB/s) 
[16:45] <Kilos> thats sucks
[16:46] <Kilos> maybe i gotta start revving telkom again
[16:46] <Kilos> hi tumbleweed where are you now? hope all well there
[17:24] <inetpro> Kilos: how big is the web?
[17:25] <inetpro> you can't say the web is slow
[17:26] <Kilos> ai!
[17:26] <Kilos> my connection to the internet is slow nitpicker
[17:26] <inetpro> haha :-)
[17:26] <Kilos> lol
[17:27] <inetpro> fact is, it could be anywhere between you and neology
[17:27] <inetpro> but I guess the bottleneck is most likely right there by you
[17:27] <Kilos> ya telkom using mtn tower
[17:28] <inetpro> which would mean you'd experience a slowness for everything else
[17:28] <Kilos> nono
[17:28] <Kilos> water runs out of taps at same speed
[17:29] <inetpro> slowness is a very relative term
[17:29] <Kilos> ai!
[17:30] <Kilos> well its slow relative to what i expect
[17:31] <Kilos> last time i complained i was download up to 8MB/s
[17:31] <Kilos> 1200mb/s
[17:31] <Kilos> now its crawling
[17:32] <Kilos> at least when you get through to the data guys at telkom they are quite clued up
[17:33] <Kilos> or used to be last time i complained
[17:34] <Kilos> oh yes
[17:35] <Kilos> is there a command i can use to see if this lappy is using ddr3 ran or ddr2
[17:35] <Kilos> ram
[17:35] <Kilos> ive tried lspci and lshw
[17:38] <inetpro> Kilos: sudo dmidecode -t memory
[17:39] <Kilos> ty inetpro 
[17:40] <Kilos> ai!
[17:40] <Kilos> 4g ddr3 and its kinda slow
[17:41] <Kilos> maybe its not using swap properly
[17:42] <inetpro> Kilos: btw, for saving a snapshot of your connectivity do the following
[17:42] <inetpro> mkdir ~/speed
[17:42] <inetpro> and then from time to time just run the following command:
[17:42] <inetpro> mtr -nr -s0 8.8.8.8 | tee ~/speed/`date '+%Y%m%d%H%M'`.txt
[17:43] <Kilos> eeek
[17:43] <inetpro> what?
[17:44] <Kilos> thats a long ugly command
[17:44] <inetpro> just do it and see
[17:44] <inetpro> it's useful
[17:44] <Kilos> but efficient im sure
[17:46] <Kilos> http://bin.snyman.info/mmmgquag
[17:46] <Kilos> some serious packet loss
[17:47] <inetpro> did you see how it saved a file in the speed folder?
[17:47] <Kilos> we did this some years back inetpro 
[17:48] <inetpro> did we do it the same way?
[17:48] <Kilos> without the saving
[17:48] <Kilos> bu
[17:48] <Kilos> t
[17:48] <inetpro> ah...
[17:48] <Kilos> then we did something to improve it
[17:48] <Kilos> can you remember what
[17:48]  * inetpro can't remember
[17:49] <Kilos> aw thats lovely
[17:49] <inetpro> but if you remember this and do it regularly, you can refer to historic data and start comparing
[17:49] <Kilos> ty for that
[17:50] <Kilos> i go save the command in speed folder too
[17:50] <inetpro> those packet losses will hurt you indeed
[17:51] <inetpro> should be 0%
[17:51] <Kilos> ya
[17:51] <Kilos> we did something to improve things 
[17:52] <Kilos> maybe saw where weak links were and bypassed them?
[17:52] <inetpro> uh...
[17:53] <inetpro> my avg speed to 8.8.8.8 is 40.3
[17:54] <Kilos> huh
[17:54] <Kilos> where you see that
[17:54] <inetpro> yours is 395.4
[17:54] <inetpro> Avg column
[17:55] <Kilos> oh you just using the last one?
[17:55] <inetpro> yep
[17:55] <inetpro> you should phone Telkom for sure
[17:55] <Kilos> is yours better
[17:55] <inetpro> your problem only starts at hop 5
[17:56]  * inetpro has no problem with speed
[17:56] <inetpro> but I use LTE
[17:56] <Kilos> is your average better
[17:56] <Kilos> smaller number is better?
[17:56] <inetpro> my avg speed to 8.8.8.8 is 40.3
[17:56] <inetpro> obvious
[17:57] <Kilos> what is the 40.3
[17:57] <inetpro> those are milliseconds
[17:57] <Kilos> oh
[17:57] <Kilos> gotcha
[17:57] <inetpro> also called latency IIRC
[17:57] <Kilos> ya
[17:58] <Kilos> bad when playing minetest
[17:58] <inetpro> but it's not a perfect science
[17:58] <Kilos> oh i tell you now
[17:59] <inetpro> many routers are typically programmed to give lower priority to ICMP packets so they aren't "wasting" processing power over "real" traffic
[18:00] <inetpro> so you can even see packet losses on a perfect connection
[18:00] <Kilos> see pm
[18:10] <Kilos> ill call the data guys when i remember
[18:11] <Kilos> atm im doing little that needs speed
[18:13] <Kilos> looks like weed back in the states
[18:16] <Kilos> oh inetpro you cheated with ibid
[18:17] <inetpro> Kilos: why?
[18:17] <Kilos> that isnt a proper install like with a .deb
[18:17] <inetpro> obvious
[18:17] <Kilos> its rrunning in a 
[18:17] <Kilos> um
[18:17] <Kilos> virtual environment
[18:18] <Kilos> so ill keep hunting for a python oke to upgrade ibid
[18:18] <Kilos> met a new one yesterday from the congo
[18:18] <Kilos> will test his python skills
[18:22] <Kilos> oh inetpro 
[18:23] <Kilos> somewhere in mail links or a link in a sight i saw a package that can install any ubuntu package from any release to any other release
[18:24] <Kilos> but i cant find it again
[18:24] <Kilos> and dont remember the name
[18:25] <Kilos> would be great to install 14.04 network manage and dependencies into 12.04
[18:25] <Kilos> when you are bored you can search for it
[18:25] <Kilos> ive googled me sick
[18:28] <Kilos> might even have been someones tweet
[19:04] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:04] <Kilos> see ya tomorrow