[11:40] <ochosi> bluesabre: yeah sure, a patch would be welcome :)
[11:50] <flocculant> ochosi: some nice images at https://unsplash.com/collections :)
[11:50] <flocculant> and hi :)
[12:38] <knome> pleia2, just want to make sure you have seen bug 1544314 (because we don't use https as the default/enforced when possible yet)
[12:50] <knome> pleia2, also, we should reply gabor about the flash drive promotion
[14:08] <flocculant> bluesabre: trusty .4 is up now 
[14:14] <flocculant> mmm - seeing thunar oddity too - plug in a usb drive, then unmount and eject - and it remounts itself - not has that with this thunar version (nor previously)
[14:17] <knome> flocculant, do we plan to do a release announcement for .4?
[14:18] <flocculant> knome: I guess we could do a short one
[14:19] <knome> yep
[14:19] <flocculant> might be worth finding out when .5 is - because if it's 2017 then we need to also say it will be the last one :)
[14:19]  * knome checks
[14:20] <knome> not in the release schedule
[14:20] <flocculant> indeed - you checked before I could tell you :P)
[14:20] <knome> are we sure there will even be one? i thought .4 was the last one
[14:20] <knome> mhm
[14:20] <flocculant> I would suspect so - ubuntu will have it till 2019 
[14:21] <knome> right, 12.04 had .5 too..
[14:21] <flocculant> yep
[14:21] <knome> that was in august 2014
[14:22] <knome> so i would suspect it would happen in august 2016 for 14.04 too
[14:23] <flocculant> yep August - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack#Kernel.2BAC8-Support.A14.04.x_Ubuntu_Kernel_Support
[14:23] <knome> mm right, that's a completely different beast
[14:24] <knome> though .4 HWE kernel is only supported for 6 months
[14:25] <flocculant> regardless of the detail - I would guess .5 will happen in our 3 years - which is all we really need know this week
[14:25] <knome> here's how i look at it:
[14:25] <knome> if the HWE in .4 was supported until the 3 years end, it might be okay not to release .5
[14:25] <flocculant> yea
[14:25] <flocculant> agree
[14:26] <knome> mostly because .5 is a completely different kernel line
[14:26] <knome> (again)
[14:26] <flocculant> the issue at hand is whether we mention that .4 is the last one we'll see or not
[14:26] <knome> though we already went over the kernel 3.x -> 4.x bump with HWE..
[14:26] <knome> i know
[14:26] <flocculant> if we can't be sure then we need not mention .5 this week :)
[14:26] <knome> but this is important :)
[14:26] <flocculant> yes
[14:26] <flocculant> but not this week it isn't :D
[14:27] <knome> because ultimately we can decide it's the last one even if .5 happens before the 3y
[14:27] <knome> no, it is because that ^
[14:28] <flocculant> well if we can have that discussion at the next meeting (wed) then we'll know what to announce with .4
[14:28] <knome> mhm
[14:28] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack#A12.04.5_.2B-_14.04_Hardware_Enablement_Stack_Policies_and_Procedures
[14:28] <knome> that's kind of interesting read too
[14:28] <knome> because i would imagine the policy with 14.04.5/16.04 kernel is similar
[14:30] <flocculant> I would imagine so 
[14:31] <knome> i would say we'll want to officially release .5, but i would check with our technical lead too ;)
[14:32] <knome> (and i guess it's not the worst situation to not say it's the last one even if it was - opposite to saying it was and then it wasn't)
[14:32] <flocculant> yea
[14:33] <knome> dkessel, ping
[14:33] <flocculant> which is probably where we were 15 minutes ago :)
[14:33] <knome> hehe
[14:33] <flocculant> biab
[14:33] <flocculant> I hope dkessel got music working yesterday :)
[14:34] <knome> mm
[15:36] <dkessel> knome, flocculant , yes?
[15:38] <dkessel> flocculant: sure, setting clementine to als helped. But I didn't need to play music anyway
[15:39] <knome> dkessel, my ping is related to the same thing... since you are using the same player as flocculant, would you mind trying to get to answer the questions related to the media manager article series
[15:40] <knome> dkessel, fwiw, we're trying to group people who use the same managers to single articles - and you can even see the answers flocculant gave when you log in to the site and go look at the drafts
[15:40] <knome> (if you need help with logging etc., just tell me)
[15:41] <dkessel> ok I will have a look when I get back to the laptop.
[15:41] <knome> sure, no critical rush
[15:41] <knome> ;)
[16:14] <dkessel> knome: tried to open the preview page. it gives me "page not found" for https://xubuntu.org/?p=3711&preview=true
[16:20] <flocculant> that's because you're not logged in
[16:20] <dkessel> i logged out and in again...
[16:20] <dkessel> shouldn't the link be wiki.xubuntu.org/...?
[16:20] <knome> no
[16:20] <flocculant> dkessel: no - you need website
[16:21] <dkessel> oh well....
[16:21] <knome> PM'ing
[16:21] <knome> gone
[16:21] <knome> err
[16:21] <knome> done
[16:23] <dkessel> aaah
[16:34] <knome> and now, the other one:
[16:34] <knome> gone
[16:34] <knome> ttyl
[18:23] <flocculant> nice upgrade 14.04 to 16.04 crashed
[18:23] <flocculant> good job it was just a vm smoketest
[18:34] <pleia2> knome: replied to gabor
[18:34] <pleia2> knome: and yeah, I'm subbed to 1544314
[18:36] <pleia2> I guess it makes sense for an iso download, even though many of the mirrors are not https so there's still a security gap
[18:40] <krytarik> That's not a gap though.
[18:45] <pleia2> the user won't be able to tell whether the http download site is being hijacked
[18:45] <pleia2> we can link to all the http sites we want ;) if someone is spoofing one of those, it's a problem
[18:46] <pleia2> nothing we can do about that though
[18:50] <knome> pleia2, i also had some finnish person contact me directly about them not finding *sums from https sites
[18:50] <knome> not just xubuntu, but ubuntu too
[18:51]  * pleia2 nods
[18:54]  * pleia2 fails at g+ but finally gets 14.04.4 test info there and on fb
[18:54] <flocculant> bug 1545492
[18:55] <flocculant> not that this is anything to do with the 14.04 efforts :)
[18:55] <flocculant> pleia2: thanks :D
[18:55]  * pleia2 works on twitter
[18:59] <pleia2> alright, that's done
[19:04] <knome> expecting some goodies to land at x.org beginning of next week
[19:04] <knome> including new, imageless header art!
[21:58] <flocculant> confirmed that upgrader hang ...