[05:54] Hi [07:39] Good morning [07:40] Sweet5hark1: your pastebin timed out [07:42] good morning pitti, how was your week-end? [07:45] bonjour didrocks ! ć'était bien, nous étaions à Dresden pour le 30eme anniversaire d'une amie [07:46] pitti: ah super ! pas trop fatigué ? :) [07:46] didrocks: une grande fête [07:47] good morning desktopers! [07:47] didrocks: on n'a dormi pas beaucoup en fait :) (il n'y a que beaucoup d'alcool ☺ ) [07:47] hey didrocks pitti [07:47] bonjour seb128, ça va ? [07:47] pitti, oui, et toi ? [07:47] didrocks: mais je vais bien aussi, la derniére nuit était assez longue [07:47] beaucoup d'alcool ? t'as pas la gueule de bois ? ;-) [07:48] re seb128 :) [07:48] * seb128 uses the opportunity to hand pitti some french expressions [07:48] seb128: nous étaions à Dresden pour le 30eme anniversaire d'une amie, une grande fête [07:48] pitti: heureusement qu'il y a la semaine de travail pour se reposer, hein ! :) [07:49] seb128: hah, je ne connais pas cette phrase :) [07:49] seb128: mais non, je ne suis pas mal aux cheveux [07:49] "je n'ai" [07:49] (je n'ai pas mal aux cheveux) [07:49] (où "je n'ai pas mal"?) [07:49] ;-) [07:49] ah :) [07:49] avoir, avoir, faire, faire, passer, passer [07:50] tout les verbes en français ! [07:50] see, french is easy :p [07:50] * seb128 ducks [07:52] session restart, brb [09:03] hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIiiiiiIIIiiiIIIiiiIIIiii [09:05] morning all [09:05] hey willcooke Laney [09:05] hey Laney, how are you? you have quite some echo there! [09:05] how are things on the big island today? ;-) [09:06] Sunny and cold. Looks like it snowed over night, but only about 2 mm [09:08] hey seb128 pitti and willcooke! [09:09] nice and chilly [09:09] hey Laney, willcooke [09:09] and didrocks! [09:09] how is it going? [09:11] good, thanks! yourself? [09:11] awesome [09:12] we went wild camping at the weekend [09:12] well, bivvying [09:17] had fun? [09:17] did you get managed to avoid the bears? ;-) [09:18] mostly scared of dog walkers in the morning [09:18] (and badgers!) === davidcalle_ is now known as davidcalle [09:56] willcooke, Laney, do we IRC or hangout? [09:56] seb128, I'm easy. I think HO might be faster though? [09:57] k, let me find a quiet room then [09:57] seb128, if it's easier for you to IRC, we can do that [09:57] no, hangout is fine [09:57] I just need to move next room with the laptop, it's easy enough ;-) === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr [09:59] where are you?!?!?! [10:00] on my way [10:01] no I meant what kind of noisy place are you in :P [10:01] oh, not noisy, just co-working with somebody else [10:01] so I don't want to be speaking/disturbing [10:02] interesting [10:02] you go to a coworking place? [10:02] * Laney joins the hangout instead.. [10:02] no, just meet with friends sometimes at ourplaces [10:11] moin [10:14] pitti: yeah, I found that only fail on that machine (running in a VM) -- I got an image created on another machine. Dunno, if its being in a VM, network settings or something else that caused trouble there ... [10:14] Sweet5hark1: ah, nested qemu? what was the error you got? [10:16] pitti: timeout when setting up the image -- it was looping in some apt install runs claiming "the following packages will be REMOVED by this: <...>" with <...> being a single or a handful different packages each time [10:17] Sweet5hark1: ah, that sounds like the kind of fun you get with nested QEMU indeed; what's your host release? [10:17] Sweet5hark1: I found that xenial-on-xenial with "-cpu host" works reasonably well [10:17] but nested qemu in trusty's qemu less so [10:18] pitti: maybe it was in some kind of dependency hell. [10:20] Sweet5hark1, hey! had a good w.e? [10:20] pitti: that was a adt-run trying to get a xenial image on xenial. The outer xenial is a VirtualBox VM running on a non Ubuntu-system as a host (that _should_ be isolated though shouldnt it). [10:21] seb128: yes, weekend was pretty nice. Was window shopping for an ebike ;) [10:21] Sweet5hark1: ah, so you don't even have kvm in the inner QEMU -- that's going to be glacially slow.. [10:22] Sweet5hark1, nice! [10:28] Sweet5hark1, getting anywhere with the autopkgtest issues? [10:28] if you are confident it's an issue with the setup and not libreoffice we might override while you continue debugging? [10:28] not point blocking 5.1 while you debug infra issues [10:30] seb128: its some kind of infrastructure issue (if you include e.g. 'autopkgtests are missing deps' in that). I ran the tests outside adt-run and they completed fine. [10:30] Laney, pitti, ^ wdyt about unblocking libreoffice? [10:31] can do -- I'd force-badtest it, as it blocks a lot of other packages too [10:31] but like that you won't notice if some other package update breaks LibO, so better fix them again :) [10:32] Sweet5hark1: I can give you access to an affected instance if you need to (but should be fairly easy to reproduce locally) [10:35] pitti: yeah, Im running adt-run on native hardware now -- lets see how that goes ... so: no, not wanting access to that box (yet). [10:37] pitti, seb128: as the error message is pretty much a top level "cant find hsqldb1.8.0", the fun part will be tracking that though 20 abstraction layers in libreoffice to the original root cause ... [10:49] pitti: hmm, running libreoffice tests on either wily or xenial break with "no space left on device" locally. Is there a convenient way to resize the image? [10:56] Sweet5hark1: ah, yes, sorry -- add "-s 50" to the adt-buildvm-ubuntu-cloud invocation [10:56] that'll increase it by 50 GB [10:56] and it's qcow2, so it should only grow to what it actually uses [10:56] pitti: ah, thanks. [10:56] * Sweet5hark1 rebuilds images [10:57] Sweet5hark1: I'll check here what actual difference that makes, I could just bump the default [11:07] Laney, want to take on 1545308? [11:07] bug #1545308 [11:07] bug 1545308 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu) "Backport upstream fix for memleak" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1545308 [11:08] qemu-img: The new size must be a multiple of 512 [11:08] Sweet5hark1: ^ sorry, -s 50 doesn't seem to work, hang on [11:09] (it used to in the past, meh) [11:09] pitti: k, thanks for the heads-up [11:09] Sweet5hark1: argh, of course -- "-s 50G", not "-s 50" [11:10] 50 bytes won't help much [11:10] Sweet5hark1: either way, I'll make that the new default [11:10] pitti: hah, I even wrote that intuitively and then "corrected" it to "-s 50" ;) [11:11] --help even shows "default: 4G" [11:14] seb128: could do [11:14] Laney, thanks [11:15] not so many fixes in that branch for a bugfix release [11:16] anyone running wily ? [11:16] verify the gstreamer srus please :) [11:18] I don't have wily installs here, but if we don't find anyone I'm going to give a round of VM testing (but likely after feature freeze) [11:18] pitti, we got a bug about the evolution translations missing, I reassigned to langpack-o-matic so I'm unsure if that's correct? bug #1545212 [11:18] bug 1545212 in langpack-o-matic "Evolution 3.18.4 package does not include translations" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1545212 [11:21] greetings desktop peeps [11:22] pitti: mirrors not playing nicely with U+1/proposed and autopkgtests? http://pastebin.com/9Z4bq4sd [11:23] hey desrt! [11:23] desrt, had a good w.e? [11:23] desrt, in what tz are you this week? [11:23] still having it, in fact ;) [11:23] oh, right [11:23] back in America/Toronto :) [11:23] today is an holiday for you [11:23] * Sweet5hark1 giigles [11:23] but trying to hold on to the favourable jetlag [11:23] desrt, early to wake up on a VAC day ;-) [11:23] right [11:24] * Sweet5hark1 wonders if one can engineer an all-holiday workyear by jetsetting. [11:24] would be exhausting though, I assume. [11:26] Sweet5hark1: rather looks like networking is broken in your VM somehow? [11:26] * desrt prepares the syringe^Wfrench press [11:27] pitti: thats running on native hardware and e.g. wily images seem to be happy ... [11:36] pitti: hmmm, "adt-run --shell libreoffice -- --apt-pocket=proposed --- qemu adt-xenial-amd64-cloud.img" aborts before I get a shell and leaving out "libreoffice" does make adt-run unhappy. [11:39] Sweet5hark1: oh, you need to add -U too, and no -- [11:39] adt-run --apt-pocket=proposed -U --shell libreoffice --- qemu adt-xenial-amd64-cloud.img [11:41] pitti: still throws me out before I have a shell. (pinging archive.ubuntu.com works just fine from the wily host system btw_ === hikiko is now known as hikiko|ln [12:18] Sweet5hark1: can you run: qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm -m 2048 adt-xenial-amd64-cloud.img -snapshot [12:19] Sweet5hark1: then log in (ubuntu/ubuntu) and look what's wrong with the network config? [12:19] Sweet5hark1: sorry, I've never heard about that kind of problem before, so I don't have some helpful hint right now [12:19] Sweet5hark1: note that "ping" doesn't work in qemu, so use "wget -O- http://archive.ubuntu.com" or so [12:19] or just apt-get pudate [12:21] the pu date ! [12:21] pitti: hmmm, /etc/resolv.conf is empty (except for comments). I assume it shouldnt? [12:22] Sweet5hark1: right, it shouldn't be; is it a link to /run/resolvconf ? [12:22] Sweet5hark1: what does 'ip a' say, do you even have an interface that's up? [12:23] pitti: to ../run/resolvconf/resolv.conf and yeah, ifconfig shows I only have a lo ethernet interface ... [12:23] (very secure system, that.) [12:24] Sweet5hark1: you mean you have *no* ethernet interface at all? not even a "down" one? [12:24] you should have an "ens3" [12:25] or perhaps eth0 (depending on the qemu version/config) -- do you have any kind of custom qemu configuration somewhere? [12:25] oh, "ip a" shows I have a ens3, which is down [12:26] Sweet5hark1: do you have /etc/network/interfaces.d/ens3.cfg ? or any file in that dir? [12:27] Sweet5hark1: it sounds like the setup-testbed script failed early on, before it got to setting up that stuff [12:27] pitti: does this mean it has the physical eth0 from the host (which is unplugged, as I use wifi for connectivity?) [12:28] Sweet5hark1: can you add -v to the adt-buildvm-ubuntu-cloud command line, and copy&paste the output? I figure there's an error message somewhere [12:28] Sweet5hark1: no, qemu emulates network interfaces for the guest [12:28] Sweet5hark1: btw, to speed this up: please do this: [12:29] cd /tmp/ [12:29] wget http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/xenial/current/xenial-server-cloudimg-amd64-disk1.img [12:29] ln -s . current [12:29] ln -s . xenial [12:29] adt-buildvm-ubuntu-cloud -o /tmp -v --cloud-image-url=file:///tmp/ [12:29] Sweet5hark1: ^ this will download the image only once, adn adt-buildvm-ubuntu-cloud will then take it from /tmp/ [12:29] much faster for several iterations [12:29] pitti: /etc/networ/interfaces.d has no ens3.cfg ... but it has a eth0.cfg (and dmesg ens3.cfg was renamed from eth0) [12:30] Sweet5hark1: what's the version of your autopkgtest package? [12:31] pitti: on the host or in the image? [12:31] Sweet5hark1: it doesn't exist on the image; on the host (where you run adt-buildvm-ubuntu-cloud) [12:32] pitti: host: 3.17.4 on wily [12:32] aah [12:32] Sweet5hark1: please upgrade to the xenial one [12:32] Sweet5hark1: cloud images and cloud-init changed the network config like three times, the wily version was before that [12:32] autopkgtest | 3.19.2~ubuntu15.10.1 | wily-backports | source, all [12:33] Sweet5hark1: ^ this should be fine [12:33] pitti: k, will do [12:33] ok, next time I'll ask for the version first :) [12:38] pitti: ;) -- do I need to recreate the images now? [12:38] Sweet5hark1: yes, as they are broken [12:38] pitti: k, willdo [12:38] Sweet5hark1: well, you could manually fix them, by changing eth0 to ens3 in the ifupdown config, if you prefer === hikiko|ln is now known as hikiko [12:40] pitti: when debugging a "works fine on the desktop, doesnt work in the test-env" issue, whatever I find in a "testenv that I turned the bowels upsidedown" will likely not help me much (might even be misleading) [12:40] * Sweet5hark1 recreates images. [12:40] pitti: thanks for the hints [13:15] anyone of you wonderful desktop peeps listening to music while you work in xenial? do you have issues with cd's from rhythmbox ? real outlier - anyone use clementine? if so is it working for you :) [13:16] I obviously assume that you all whistle while you work ;) [13:24] flocculant, you mean "CD" like the physical media rotating in the drive and making your laptop vibrate and make noise? [13:24] or do you mean listing the digital format albums in rb? [13:26] oh, and does your question is what is suggest, that you use clementine and have issue and are asking if we get the same ones in rb? if so did you try rb yourself? [13:55] can someone please help me assign bug #1545450 to the correct package? It's a serious or even critical bug in 16.04. [13:55] bug 1545450 in unity (Ubuntu) "Severe Qt visual corruption with default Qt theme under Unity" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1545450 [14:00] Trevinho, seb128 - any ideas? ^ [14:09] pitti: \o/ can reproduce the error in adt-run. [14:09] ngaio, willcooke, yeah, seems like an old bug [14:12] ngaio, willcooke, it doesn't do it if OVERLAY_SCROLLBAR=0 is set [14:14] seb128, where / how do I set OVERLAY_SCROLLBAR=0 ? [14:14] ngaio, "OVERLAY_SCROLLBAR=0 vlc [14:14] sorry [14:15] LIBOVERLAY_SCROLLBAR=0 [14:17] that fixes it for me too === bpierre_ is now known as bpierre === doko_ is now known as doko [14:34] seb128: I don't have anything as archaic as a cd player - but bug 1539700 appears that others are seeing what I am seeing with clementine bug 1537184 [14:34] bug 1539700 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) "Audio cd's play with background buzzing" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1539700 [14:34] bug 1537184 in clementine (Ubuntu) "'Buzzing' during playback" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1537184 [14:35] hard to be precise but iirc - the clementine issue appeared shortly after a gstreamer update in January - I tend to leave things with clementine for a while as I use the dev version of it [14:35] if I use alsa instead of pulse - works fine [14:39] flocculant, I don't get the issue here, but it looks like it's something worth keeping an eye on [14:40] trying to find an audio cd.... [14:40] seb128: thanks for looking :) [14:40] seb128, flocculant - yeah, same issue here [14:40] willcooke: thank the lord ... thought I was going nuttier :) [14:40] sounds like a sample rate thinh [14:40] thing [14:41] do you get this on any file? [14:41] willcooke: in clementine I fiddled with sample rates - no change [14:41] willcooke, using rb? [14:41] installed gstreamer.blah-alsa and use that and all is back to normal [14:42] seb128: any sound file that I have - ranging from mp3 to flac [14:42] k, I don't get it here [14:42] flocculant, how do you "use that"? [14:42] seb128, this is on my Inspirion with an external dvd/cd writer [14:42] with an install from daily on Friday [14:42] willcooke, I don't think there is a need for medias, mp3 on disk should do it [14:43] the use of "cd" was confusing in the question [14:43] ahh [14:43] seb128: not sure what you mean by "how do you "use that"?" [14:43] TheMuso uploaded a new Pulse the other day I think [14:43] flocculant, installed gstreamer.blah-alsa and use that and all is back to normal [14:43] flocculant, how do you tell it to use alsa? [14:44] oic - choose alsa playback in clementine preferences [14:44] willcooke, yeah, the new pulse is from feb 11 but those reports are from january [14:44] flocculant, I see [14:45] seb128: I also tried changing sample rate there alone and in conjunction - just appears to be pulse playback [14:45] seb128 willcooke - what I did find that it's only file playback in clementine which fails - any other player and it's ok - main reason I flagged it recently here is rhythmbox cd playback also falls over [14:46] flocculant, willcooke, does "gst-launch-1.0 audiotestsrc ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! pulsesink" have buzzing issues for you? [14:46] flocculant, what do you call "cd playback"? [14:46] flocculant, you mean it doesn't happen on single song playback? [14:47] no buzzing with that [14:47] seb128: playing an audio cd - but I'm just repeating other people's issues there - don't have one available personally [14:48] which is the 1539700 bug ^^ [14:49] flocculant, it's still confusing to me, do you get the issue at all or are you repeating reports from others? [14:49] seb128: I get the issue with clementine [14:49] flocculant, but not with rhythmbox? [14:49] nope [14:50] flocculant, willcooke, does "gst-launch-1.0 playbin uri=file:///tmp/song.mp3" buzz for you? [14:50] where /tmp/song.mp3 is a song you copied [14:50] seb128: nor amarok/audacious/exaile/banshee [14:51] seb128: that plays fine [14:52] seb128: I'm just talking about the rhythmbox audio cd issue because it "appears" to be the same issue [14:52] ah [14:53] flocculant, it happens if you have crossfade enabled in rb -> preferences -> playback [14:53] not without it [14:53] that wouldn't be the first time crossfading creates issues [14:53] :) [14:54] can you confirm? [14:55] trying to [14:55] had to install it first :D [14:56] yup [14:56] had to restart rhythmbox [15:04] didrocks: FYI: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration/AutopkgtestInfrastructure?action=diff&rev2=55&rev1=54 (in case you need this for u-make) [15:06] pitti: thx! (but no, I don't really need it as I have some options already to take from the ppa/archive, I don't want to build it locally first) [15:06] didrocks: ack; I need it for doing tests for upstream systemd PPAs, so I just added that [15:06] err, s/PPAs/PRs/ [15:07] doko, libgfortran3 : Depends: gcc-5-base (= 5.3.1-5ubuntu3) but 5.3.1-7ubuntu1 is to be installed => looks odd in many ways. [15:07] i'll wait/try to find -8ubuntu3 stuff. [15:07] pitti: making sense! [15:08] doko, wait, i think i have missmatched mirrors. [15:10] seb128 willcooke - so I removed gstreamer1.0-plugin-base from a vm - installed the wily version and clementine worked as expected, upgraded to the current xenial version and it did the 'buzzy' thing [15:11] flocculant, willcooke, yeah, I just hit the same conclusion [15:12] seb128: you want me to comment on bug? I see you duped my clementine on to the newer rhythmbox one just now [15:12] flocculant, if you want sure [15:12] flocculant, willcooke, that reproduces btw [15:12] gst-launch-1.0 -v audiotestsrc wave=silence ! queue ! adder name=a ! audio/x-raw,format=S16LE,rate=44100,channels=2 ! audioconvert ! autoaudiosink uridecodebin uri=file:///tmp/song.mp3 ! audioconvert ! queue ! a. [15:13] hey all, I have new laptop running Xenial, and I am getting 5-10 freezes per day [15:13] it has Intel® Bay Trail graphics [15:13] thoughts wrt debugging? [15:13] rickspencer3, do you have any bt or gpu hand report in xorg.0.log/syslog? [15:13] tjaalton, ^ [15:15] seb128, something like> [15:15] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15075038/ [15:15] ? [15:15] there are a few of them lying around [15:15] that looks normal [15:15] rickspencer3, that log has no backtrace/error that I can tell [15:16] but if it's a system freeze then there probably aren't any logs from it [15:16] let me look at some others [15:16] the .old one looks the same [15:17] I put it here just in case: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15075065/ [15:17] rickspencer3, no :-/ [15:17] to rule out if the intel x driver is to blame, you might move it aside so it'll pick up the fallback driver instead ("modesetting") [15:18] is the system freezing? [15:18] e.g can you ctrl-alt-f1 to a vt? [15:18] willcooke: ftr it took a restart of rhythmbox for crossfading to cause me problem [15:18] so, move /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so somewhere [15:19] tjaalton, is that going to mean software rendering and slow/more cpu usage? [15:19] no, it'll still use the actual dri driver for opengl [15:19] k [15:21] tjaalton, so I did thisL [15:21] udo mv /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so.backup [15:21] now I just reboot and use the computer until it freezes again, or doesn't? [15:21] right [15:26] for anyone monitoring my network activity, I am watching netflix purely as a test, it's work ;) [15:26] lol [15:27] seb128, bug #1545764 [15:27] bug 1545764 in gstreamer1.0 (Ubuntu) "Playing a CD in Rhythmbox with cross fading on crashes rb" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1545764 [15:27] willcooke, thanks [15:27] (and using that to catchup on series you were lagging on :p) [15:27] nw [15:27] no backtrace there though :-/ [15:28] urgh, one sec... [15:33] willcooke, I can confirm, don't bother with getting the bt I can do it [15:33] seb128, oh, cool, thank yoiu [15:44] seb128 willcooke - thanks for the help and time here :) [15:45] flocculant, thanks for the report :) [15:45] willcooke: yw :) [15:46] willcooke: probably would have left it longer to see if it hadn't been an LTS looming tbh - glad I didn't now :) [15:46] :) me too [15:46] hah [15:50] tjaalton, fwiw, hasn't frozen yet [15:56] tjaalton, so, it froze exactly one minute later [15:56] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15075734/ === rickspencer3__ is now known as rickspencer3 [16:23] willcooke, around? [16:24] robert_ancell, hey [16:24] can you help get https://bugs.launchpad.net/rnr-server/+bug/1540635 solved? [16:24] Launchpad bug 1540635 in Ratings and Reviews server " The 2 hour limit for review editing should be removed (for .deb apps)" [Undecided,Won't fix] [16:25] hey robert_ancell! [16:25] seb128, hi [16:26] Laney, if you update eog for ubuntu as well can you include https://git.gnome.org/browse/eog/commit/?id=fbc11280 ? [16:26] it's lp #1247800 [16:26] Launchpad bug 1247800 in eog (Ubuntu) "Picture displayed with noise in EOG" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1247800 [16:27] why isn't it on the stable branch [16:27] (sorry, just saw the #debian-gnome backlog) [16:27] that's a good question [16:28] though there is a recent comment about performances [16:28] so maybe not such a good idea to backport [16:28] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QddT0tQsXRQ&feature=youtu.be [16:28] looks like this makes performance bad [16:28] :) [16:29] yeah [16:29] that comment was not there this morning when I read the bug (was in my backlog from the w.e) [16:29] let's wait for them to sort it out then [16:29] sorry for the noise ;-) [16:30] heh [16:46] Laney, seb128, willcooke: please could you write a MIR (and subscribe to) nuget, new b-d of nunit? [16:48] doko, can you take bug #1538173 in exchange? ;-) [16:48] bug 1538173 in fonttools (Ubuntu) "[MIR] fonttools" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1538173 [16:50] seb128, why? it's b-d of a desktop package [16:51] doko, we don't own the fonts rendering stack afaik [16:52] seb128, b-d of graphite2, owned by the desktop team. and I still remember various fontconfig uploads by the desktop team during freeze times ... [16:52] if you want to play this game [16:52] so, you are wrong [16:52] nuget <- nunit <- nant <- antlr [16:52] so bye [16:52] right, I was going to say [16:54] that's going to be a fun MIR [16:54] Laney, using this schema you can push everything to foundations [16:54] doko, the main reason I've been uploading fontconfig is because it was not being updated otherwise, e.g trying to help [16:55] but it was maintained by slangasek and stgraber before [16:55] anyway, no point debating those details [16:55] can we just split those and share the load? [16:56] otherwise I guess it's something for willcooke & slangasek to discuss once Steve is back [16:56] nuget is an upstream package manager thing [16:56] don't know what the way out of that is [16:56] apart from the xnox proposal [16:56] which will come a bit late [16:56] which is now+4 weeks away, so I think let's be pragmatic and share the love [16:56] hm? [16:56] willcooke, right, my though as well [16:56] it's like miring npm or pip [16:57] yep, and we tend to have these in main too [16:57] willcooke, was this volunteering to do +1 maintenance for the next four weeks? ;) [16:58] seb128, you can always pull in ogasawara as a slangasek substitute for the time being. [16:59] MIRs are interesting. [16:59] i believe a own a few "pre-promoted" or missmatched MIRs. [16:59] * xnox looks at nuget [17:00] * xnox sees description of apt [17:00] * xnox is confused [17:00] this is how software works these days [17:01] yeap. it looks like a c# / .net maven equivalent. [17:01] * xnox *sigh* [17:01] (on +1 we are doing our share, some of us keep an eye on the proposed migration and transitions and help on regular basis) [17:02] anyway it's a build system tool, so xnox's proposal is approved™ and we can just promote it, right? :) [17:03] Laney, did you check that it won't end up as a runtime dependency? [17:03] Laney, well xnox proposal is blocked on solving doko's nacks, e.g. having check-mir in excuses. [17:04] seb128: hi. i filed bug #1545556 with windowbutton placement on gedit on 16.04 [17:04] bug 1545556 in gedit (Ubuntu) "ubuntu 16.04: window buttons of gedit are placed on the right side" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1545556 [17:04] rickspencer3, are your freeze's just when using Chrome, or all the time? And do you have to power off and back on to recover? Not seeing anything suspect in that log [17:04] willcooke, all the time [17:04] really random [17:04] xnox, such discussions should happen in -devel, not in some secluded channel [17:04] willcooke, yes, I have to do a hard reboot [17:05] willcooke, sometimes it happens after 5 minutes of use, sometimes closer to an hour [17:05] doko, i'm yet to form a response to the generated feedback on -devel. first day back, so catching up. [17:05] well [17:05] it's a waste of time to have arguments about promoting this build tool [17:05] if we are going to allow it eventually anyway [17:06] Laney, fyi, things in my proposal are the b-d's are not promoted, but stay in universe. [17:06] like under the current MIR policy the s-ecurity team will definitely have issues with it [17:06] seb128: i have my system running in german, so i am not sure about the correct namings, but its this setting: "show the menus for a window" http://sourcedigit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Appearance-Appearance.jpg [17:06] it's just they are allowed, and e.g. would be demoted back to universe, if it doesn't generate runtime deps. [17:06] xnox: not implemented though [17:06] right. [17:08] rickspencer3, humm, could you send me a kern.log? [17:08] willcooke, yeah, hold on [17:08] * rickspencer3 switches computers [17:09] rickspencer3: do you have to reboot when it happens? dmesg might have something if not. but it's a kernel bug if the system dies [17:10] tjaalton, willcooke I am getting the kernel.log now [17:10] all I can say is that the system totally freezes and I have to do a hard reboot [17:10] I can't get to VT1 or anything [17:10] I suppose I could install ssh and try to ssh into it the next time it happens [17:11] rickspencer3, you could just try pinging it first, but I expect it's dead dead. [17:11] sure [17:12] here is my kernel.log [17:12] k1l_, does unity-settings-daemon hit an error when you enable that option? [17:13]