[00:09] clivejo: I just got a text from sgclark [00:10] a car accident took out the power from her whole neighborhood [00:10] eakk [00:10] so she asks that if you can upload that stuff you were discussing [00:10] please do it [00:10] :( [00:10] yeah [01:03] valorie: installing kubuntu-desktop broke while configuring packages :/ http://imgur.com/BzePSh5 [01:08] Does anybody know when the ISOs and user edition repo will be available? [01:20] cpatrick08: ?? [01:21] claydoh, yes i'm here [01:22] here's the info on project neon http://neon.kde.org.uk/ [01:23] cpatrick08: Project Neon and KDE Neon are two different projects [01:24] cpatrick08: #kde-neon [01:24] For questions about KDE Neon you need to ask in #kde-neon [09:19] hi all! Is anyone available to help with bug 1451728? [09:19] bug 1451728 in ktp-accounts-kcm (Ubuntu Wily) "[master] kde-config-telepathy-accounts package install error" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1451728 [09:25] is there anyone here who typically looks after ubiquity for the qt version of it? I really wouldn't mind some help there, I'm not at all familiar with Qt stuff [09:26] I'm unbreaking it now, but it would really benefit from some extra love. [09:27] sitter: sorry for bothering but do you remember who maintained it ^ ? [09:28] mardy: What exactly you'd like help with? I can't say I can see an easy solution here. We'd either have to mark those packages as conflicting or merge the providers or patch up apparmor [09:29] Quintasan: well, the latter would be the ideal solution, but if we don't have time for it, then at least we should mark the packages as conflicting [09:30] Quintasan: I can take care of the apparmor profile for MC, but I'd rather leave the kaccounts packaging work to someone else [09:34] Right. I'll have to install 15.04 to test it. [09:35] mardy: If someone doesn't take care of it by tomorrow then I'll do it. I'm at work now unfortunately. [09:35] Quintasan: excellent, thanks! [09:43] soee_: nobody [10:10] sitter: ok, thank you [12:17] cyphermox: typically Jonathan, so currently nobody. I wanted to take a look at it once we're done with our packaging tasks, meaning in a week or so. [12:22] sitter: btw. clemens said that he wouldn't mind covering the kubuntu ci server costs as long as we don't use it for anything else without prior notice [12:22] can we get access to the thing somehow? [12:23] and I can't access paste.kde.org, uhuh - sec_error_ocsp_bad_signature [13:11] yofel: need to evacuate some keys first I think xD [13:11] will get on it soon(tm) [13:11] sure, no hurry [13:11] thansk [13:42] hi folks [16:21] If anyone can test the 14.04.4 images, all they really need is some basic smoke testing. [17:01] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/356/builds [17:01] ScottK: ? ^^ [17:04] marco-parillo: yes [17:05] There will be one respin, so if you find something, there's at least a chance for an update. [17:11] !testers: ^^^ [17:11] Sorry, I don't know anything about testers: ^^^ [17:11] !testers [17:11] Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se, mamarley, alket, SourBlues, sgclark, neo31, vip, mparillo for information [18:03] who is responsible with the security review of the packages ? [18:04] such as lz4 ? [18:07] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseSchedule 2 days left [18:10] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lz4/+bug/1531923 [18:10] Launchpad bug 1531923 in lz4 (Ubuntu) "[MIR] lz4" [Undecided,Confirmed] [18:12] Emanuel: that is upstream ubuntu - unrelated to Kubuntu. try #ubuntu-devel [18:13] ups [18:21] apps 15.12.2 released :) [19:56] sgclark: thank you for kdenlive [19:57] don't thank me yet haha, failing [19:58] uh ssl_connect error, not sure that is my fault === dax is now known as rww [20:00] sitter: any idea on ssl_connect error? [20:00] sgclark: I say you've finished the debian merge on it [20:00] that's why I'm thanking you [20:00] but I should be thanking you for the entire work, not just kdenlive [20:01] oh hehe np [20:01] oh. all these failure are ssl connect errors.. [20:01] eakkk === rww is now known as dax [20:01] qa has gone crazy! [20:01] http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/applications/build_status_15.12.1_xenial.html [20:02] that looks like ssl errors as well [20:02] good grief what is going on with ssl?!?! [20:02] maybe LP ? [20:03] the ci builds are failing at source, so that is kde servers [20:03] qa must be lp? [20:03] kci builds on LP? [20:04] blech I don't now. All I knowis I see a common SSL_CONNECT error. [20:05] sgclark: pretty sure it uploads to this PPA - https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/ [20:08] clivejo: yeah I am aware of where it uploads. [20:09] clivejo: but unless you know how to fix the SSL_CONNECT errors we are dead in the water. [20:12] point of failure: 20:03:38 /usr/lib/ruby/2.1.0/net/http.rb:920:in `connect': Connection reset by peer - SSL_connect [20:12] all of them, pausing CI, this is a waste. [20:30] 30mins to clivejo's membership meeting [20:38] clivejo, ovidiu-florin valorie yofel [20:38] good luck clivejo! I would be shocked and angry if you don't get it though lol [20:39] this will be a short meeting [20:39] :) [20:39] sgclark, it's kinda don't bite the hand that feeds you moment [20:39] I don't get it [20:40] you would not hurt someone who feeds you [20:40] ie packages [20:40] oh right. hense why I would be angry if he did not get it :) [20:41] * sgclark cheers for clivejo on the sidelines [20:42] yofel: btw are efforts are halted by these ssl_connect error, dunno even who to bug to fix them. [20:42] s/are/our [20:43] ahoneybun: pong [20:47] meeting in 15mins ovidiu-florin [20:47] I know [20:47] I'm here [20:47] do I have to be somewhere else? [20:47] not that I'm aware of [20:49] woho http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Qt-Joins-Khronos-For-Vulkan [20:49] * ovidiu-florin is listening to Ray Charles [20:50] * ahoneybun is listening to Hollywood Undead [20:50] * mamarley is listening to the dying fan bearing on his work computer :( [20:53] sgclark: Kenny D, [16.02.16 12:48] there are problems with firefox not liking the apache ssl settings [20:54] interesting, but our CI system uses firefox? O.o [20:54] sgclark: I think LP is fixed, can you unpause KCI? [20:54] firefox is not the issue [20:54] sure [20:54] the certificat is [20:54] unpaused [20:55] ovidiu-florin: ok. still don't know what to do to fix it lol [20:55] sgclark: check out the confersation on KDE Cafe [20:55] sgclark: my guess is wait [20:55] the issue you're havins is with a KDE site? [20:56] welll hard to tell. it may very well be LP [20:56] is there a way to find out? [20:56] * ovidiu-florin is a typo master today [20:57] ovidiu-florin: sure read the log: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/wily_unstable_kdenlive/180/console [20:57] to me it looks like it is failing getting binaries fro mLP [20:58] * sgclark is a typo master everyday. [20:59] can I see the script that makes that call? [20:59] meeting time? [20:59] where should we be? [20:59] here? [21:00] clivejo ahoneybun yofel? ^ [21:00] yea [21:00] * clivejo waves [21:00] ok then [21:00] ====================== clivejo membership meeting START ======================== [21:00] we need at least 3 [21:01] hello people [21:01] let's have a show of hands [21:01] o/ [21:01] o/ [21:01] o/ [21:01] o/ [21:02] sgclark valorie ? [21:02] clivejo ? [21:02] o/ [21:02] ? [21:02] I am not on KC [21:02] neither am I :/ [21:03] Mamarok: ping if you want to chime in [21:03] sgclark: your opinion also matters [21:03] +1 [21:03] clivejo: you're still kind of important right now ;P [21:03] it's not like anyone is going to do a -1 or 0 [21:04] -0 [21:04] :-P [21:04] * ovidiu-florin want's to do the impossible [21:05] so, yofel, you have more experience with these meetings, care to chair? [21:05] President Yofel [21:05] we have enough people [21:05] sure [21:05] --- Begin questioning --- [21:06] clivejo: so, just for the record, can you do a small introduction of yourself and tell us why you want to be a kubuntu member? [21:07] Im not great at talking about myself, but why I want to be a member - the honest answer is I want to be able to help out ie pause KCI and so forth [21:08] rather than having to ask other people to do it [21:08] clivejo: let me help you [21:08] Who are you? [21:08] where are you form? [21:09] waht do you do? [21:09] why Kubuntu? [21:09] what is your favorite flavour of ice cream? [21:09] * sgclark gives hint to clivejo (link your wiki page) :) [21:09] oh, I thought that was the reason for the wiki page! [21:09] Im Clive, from Co Fermanagh in N. Ireland [21:09] it is, but don't assume all present here read it [21:09] I have my fingers in a lot of pies [21:10] * ovidiu-florin likes apple pie [21:10] clivejo, link your wiki and LP [21:10] some people here know me from genealogy and history, other know me from OpenStreetMap [21:11] https://launchpad.net/~clivejo [21:11] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/~clivejo [21:12] I studied computers to degree level which is very much a love hate relationship [21:12] after that I went into property management [21:13] bit of a Jack of all trades! [21:13] clivejo, why did you pick Kubuntu over the other flavors? [21:16] I was using Ubuntu for a long time and during one of the development cycles it became clear to me that Unity was there to stay. I personally find Unity very unhelpful and gets in the way of the way I use my computer [21:16] so I installed kubuntu and loved it [21:17] nice [21:17] anymore questions? [21:18] Kubuntu enables me to use my machine to its full potential and customised to my way of doing things [21:18] clivejo: what do you think should be improved the most in kubuntu? [21:18] Thats a hard question! [21:19] it's a customary one ;) [21:19] from what angle? [21:20] what annoys you the most? [21:20] any angle [21:21] It sometimes feels like Kubuntu is like two goats tied to a piece of rope. One is wearing the Ubuntu hat and the other is KDE [21:21] they dont always pull togther [21:21] for example release schedules [21:21] true [21:22] I know we have backports, but most users dont know about that [21:22] that problem exists in Ubuntu GNOME as well [21:22] they just want their computer to work [21:23] do you have an idea how we could improve there? [21:23] yeah and many companies do not enable backports, the biggest complaint I get, they want stuff in archive.. [21:24] Ive heard people saying that 15.10 isnt very stable and the plasma version released should have been allowed to mature [21:24] that is Plamsa 5 in general [21:24] anything "New" is hard for people to get used to [21:24] it's true, although plasma also recieves part of the blame from the application porting chaos [21:24] exactly why I do not want to go with 5.6 in xenial [21:25] most people just want it to work [21:25] oops, sorry I'm late [21:25] reading up.... [21:25] you're still on time ;) [21:25] your fine valorie :) [21:26] but I totally understand rolling wouldnt be good for the average user [21:27] half rolling could work [21:27] clivejo: what would you do to improve Kubuntu? What's your idea for doing things better? [21:28] I want to help get KDE software into the Ubuntu ecosystem faster and make it easier on the people who do it [21:29] people like yofel and sgclark have put a LOT of their time into it, if I can take a little bit of that pressure off them, thats my goal [21:30] any of your work is appreciated, believe me ;) [21:30] unless valorie has anymore questions I think we can move onto voting [21:30] valorie: any questions? [21:31] clivejo: what do you need from us, to help you accomplish your goal? [21:32] at the moment I need membership, but I also enjoy the fun and banter that this community offers [21:32] btw: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2015/CVE-2015-7547.html if anyone asks about the glibc vuln [21:32] ** RESERVED ** This candidate has been reserved by an organization or individual that will use it when announcing a new security problem. When the candidate has been publicized, the details for this candidate will be provided. (http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2015-7547) [21:33] pfff [21:33] great, I'm ready to vote! [21:33] ack, then lets get this over with [21:33] but Im sure Ill be asking many things from you all [21:33] +100 [21:33] clivejo: don't hesitate to ask [21:33] +1 from me [21:33] banter is free ;) [21:33] +1 [21:34] +1 [21:34] +1 [21:34] +1 [21:34] so that's 105 so far [21:34] lol [21:34] all he needed was +3, so we're done [21:34] votes are in [21:34] yeeey [21:34] clivejo: welcome :D [21:34] wlcome clivejo!! [21:34] clivejo: welcome [21:34] weeeeeeeeeeeee! [21:34] thank you [21:35] now I need to remember what we actually need to do now.. [21:35] clivejo: is there a public picture of you available somewhere? [21:35] * yofel will take care of LP [21:35] well, late, as usual, sorry, folks, was not around, but of course a clear +1 from me as well [21:35] welcome clivejo [21:35] * ovidiu-florin already wrote a news article and podcast note [21:35] perfect, +6. clivejo aced the meeting ;) [21:35] welcome clivejo [21:36] now you can start studying up for your Kubuntu Devel meeting [21:36] :-) [21:36] now I should take my courage in both hands and update my Kubuntu version... [21:36] I don't dare to say which I use... [21:36] what are you running now, Mamarok? [21:36] people, please give me feedback on this article: https://kubuntu.org/?p=2514&preview=true you need to be logged in to see it [21:36] 14.10 [21:36] oh, lol [21:37] cool, you can test lts backports [21:37] and recent only on a USB stick, but I rarely have time to actually run it [21:37] Im not one for studying [21:37] well, studying by doing is good [21:37] the problem is that this is my work computer, so I tried to stick with KDE4 as long as possible, but I guess Plasma5 is stable enough now [21:38] clivejo: is there a public picture of you I can use for the news article? [21:38] ovidiu-florin, good link the LP page too? [21:38] Mamarok: it's been very stable for me [21:38] ahoneybun: wiki has link to lp [21:38] both in 15.10 and 16.04 [21:38] alright [21:38] ovidiu-florin: I doubt it! I dont post photos of me! [21:38] question to yofel and sgclark: are we backporting plasma 5.5.4 to 15.10 ? [21:38] clivejo: you're now part of the LP group. [21:39] are you willing to provide one for the news and the team members page? [21:39] ovidiu-florin: Id rather not if thats ok [21:39] I've been using the stuff from backports-landing for at least a week and it's stable [21:39] ok [21:39] backports are not possible atm, we can't even finish current release [21:39] clivejo: you're now also eligible for the things on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership#The_Perks [21:39] we are struggling.. [21:39] ====================== clivejo membership meeting END ======================== [21:40] ovidiu-florin, you could use a default one from the Breeze icon set [21:40] yofel: When can I press the Build Now button on KCI? [21:40] didn't we backport it already? [21:40] no [21:40] yofel: still in landing [21:40] clivejo: you should already be able to. You might have to re-login on KCI [21:40] make sure your team membership is checked in the SSO login [21:40] ovidiu-florin: thanks for drawing a line under it [21:40] :-) [21:40] yofel: 5.5.4 never got moved to backports [21:40] clivejo: high five :) [21:40] valorie: ;) [21:41] clivejo: do we need to do anything more for it? [21:41] soee_: can you report on the testing of 5.5.4 on wily? [21:42] * clivejo high fives soee_ :) [21:42] hm, I guess I will install xenial, my home is already backed up, so I can as well go for the latest [21:42] feedback please: https://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-has-a-new-member-clive-johnston/ [21:43] congrats clivejo!!!!!!!!!!! [21:43] now to send the email.. [21:44] ovidiu-florin: put the time, of course [21:44] and: Clive has been around for a while now, helping Scarlett and Philip with the packaging and continuous integration, and his efforts are to be proud of. [21:44] what's the time in UTC? [21:44] 21:44 [21:45] the end might be better his efforts have already made a huge difference or so [21:45] I like the snippet from the log [21:45] valorie: time was updated [21:45] also added link to meeting log [21:46] cool [21:46] ovidiu-florin: if you have PM, you should drop the 0 in 09:35 [21:47] updated [21:47] anything else? [21:47] clivejo: there was all fine [21:47] soee_: anything that needs attention? [21:47] not that i remember [21:47] yofel: I delegated the testing to soee_ [21:48] several people tested it as far as i know [21:48] I'm pretty sure I also didn't really see anything that was worse from 5.5.3 [21:48] so we probably just forgot to copy it [21:49] mail sent [21:49] at the time you said there were a couple of things you wanted to clear up [21:49] what else.. [21:49] how close are we to being done with Applications? [21:50] * clivejo growls @ valorie [21:50] thanks to clive and scarlett, very close [21:50] \o/ [21:51] debian merges should be a form of torture! [21:51] indeed [21:51] yofel: why did you CC Mark? :D [21:51] I am now trying to sort out kdenlive which evidenlty needs svn merged.. [21:51] and who ever invented epochs was an very evil person! [21:51] ximion: uh, that's what I always did when I sent those mails (I think I got that from jonathan..) [21:52] ximion: Jonathan did that on mine [21:52] clivejo: welcome! I thought you were already Kubuntu member :-) [21:52] ikr :D [21:52] yofel: oh, I didn't know ^^ [21:53] completely missed the meeting, sorry :-/ [21:53] he does sign the membership certificates, so I think he still likes to get the new member notices [21:53] it was a shorty [21:53] membership certificate? [21:53] will it (debian merges) be any better for the next release? [21:53] clivejo: you can get a signed certificate from Mark [21:54] clivejo: read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership#The_Perks [21:54] yofel: you know the links you send me always make me sleepy :P [21:54] hey, you're getting stuff for free here :P [21:54] sgclark: since you're here ( \o/ ): apol and I would like to know the status of the appstreamcli validate integration with the KDE CI ;-) [21:55] I squash bugs downstream from time to time when something important pops up on appstream.debian.org/html , but there are still plenty of KDE apps which don't get all the metadata right [21:55] blaze: we may be able to just sync next time [21:55] the AppStream stuff is mostly fine though, it's more things like Comment? fileds missing in .desktop files etc. [21:55] ximion getting killed with debian merges. BlameKubuntu for my failure with KDE hat :( [21:55] which as I understand is far easier [21:56] * ximion starts blaming [21:56] noooooo [21:56] I keep trying to recruit new packagers..... [21:57] valorie: when do I get my cookies? [21:57] sgclark: well, since last week, AppStream is fully integrated with Ubuntu too, you will notice in in Discover when you package a Git snapshot..... - so technically, this task would help Kubuntu ^^ [21:57] see http://appstream.ubuntu.com/xenial/index.html [21:57] oooo, I'll have to get that together [21:57] all official, launched after FOSDEM - not sure if our mail announcing it was sent though, I didn't see it in my inbox [21:58] ximion: I am fully aware. I am so sorry. Need more hours in the day. [21:58] sgclark: believe me, I understand that... [21:58] sgclark: I've been advocating for a 30-hour day for some years [21:58] * ximion has too many projects and none to give up [21:58] so far, the Earth isn't listening to me [21:58] haha [21:59] ximion: I did start it though, I hope to get back to it soon. [22:01] valorie: we can move development to Venus, AFAIR it has a more than 200days-day [22:01] I like breathing oxygen though! [22:02] sgclark: next time we meet you need to explain me the steps for implementing this - because in my naive imagination it's just adding a command and checking it's exit status or parsing it's output :P [22:02] ximion: that was the easy part. it is not finding the sources though. and the CI puts sources in obscure places for syncing :( [22:03] it just ends up root:unknown I assume that means no sources [22:03] valorie: then a base on Mercury would work too! (50-day-day, and one hot and one cold phase (as in *very* hot and *very* cold, it's like a sauna! :P) [22:04] and by sources I mean installed binaries directory [22:04] ximion: I think the wifi wouldn't work well enough though [22:04] I'm very picky, I know [22:04] lol [22:04] sgclark: maybe there just is no metadata? You get a "No AppStream metadata was found" message in that case [22:04] ximion: for every kde project? that would be bad! [22:05] Wifi? You just need a looooong cable ^^ [22:06] sgclark: hmm, do you run it on the install dir, so appstreamcli validate-tree $DESTDIR? And does metadata exist in $DESTDIR/usr/share/appdata? [22:06] maybe the data is just installed into /usr/local/share, where it doesn't belong [22:06] ximion: let me look [22:07] ximion: sorry you were right No AppStream metadata was found. [22:08] ximion: let me see if I can get it to rint path it is looking [22:08] print.. [22:08] * ximion hopes this isn't his bug [22:10] have you all updated your glib already? looks like a really nasty security issue [22:18] yep [22:43] sgclark: hows the merges going? [22:43] clivejo: congratulations. [22:43] thanks ScottK [22:44] I am currently cursing at the debian dev that is using svn for kdenlive. [22:44] I have wasted an entire morning / afternoon on this. [22:44] svn? that seems strange [22:45] right? [22:46] any progress with PIM? [22:47] you tell me? you have the same qa sheet as I do lol [22:49] but but but kdepimlibs is marked sgclark WIP [22:49] on trello [22:49] blah unmark it [22:49] I am not currently working on it. [22:49] sorry [22:50] yofel: ping [22:50] hm? [22:51] would you help me? [22:51] it would help to know with what? ^^ [22:51] PIM! [22:51] * yofel ponders whether he should run away [22:52] okay, it's late, so I can answer a couple questions, but we'll probably have to continue tomorrow [22:52] what should I start on? [22:52] yes, tomorrow, my stress levels are high,need a break :( [22:53] kdepimlibs - but wasn't that done? [22:53] possibly needs another look. I will tomorrow, sorry so many distractions.. [22:54] np, thanks [22:54] my brain hurts [22:55] kdepimlibs seems to be ok [22:55] according to qa [22:55] * valorie hands sgclark some nice calming tea [22:56] clivejo: then it may just be a matter of rebuilding pim stuff against new kdepimlibs [22:58] the rest are version 15.12.0, hav they been uploaded? [22:59] what!?!?! [22:59] oh. kdepim and kdepim-runtime have not been done at all [22:59]