| mediachicken | Hello I was wondering whether it was possible to check which keyboard drivers are currently connected/being used? | 00:05 |
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| mediachicken | I connected a new apple magic keyboard to ubuntu and it's not using the hid_apple driver and my fn keys aren't working either | 00:05 |
| wxl | mediachicken: is that bluetooth? | 00:06 |
| mediachicken | yes | 00:06 |
| wxl | might want to check on #ubuntu, as the issues extend beyond just the desktop environment | 00:07 |
| mediachicken | yeah I asked in ubuntu as well | 00:07 |
| wxl | then i'd just patiently wait :) | 00:07 |
| mediachicken | I just know the keybindings are set in the DE so wasn't sure if anything else driver related was as well | 00:07 |
| wxl | cuz i don't have the hardware to test either | 00:07 |
| mediachicken | could the issue be because I'm running it on a macbook and the internal keyboard is using the hid_apple driver? | 00:08 |
| wxl | i doubt it | 00:09 |
| mediachicken | Alright, just making sure. The old wireless keyboards used the hid_apple driver, but I have the new magic keyboard. Thinking that there might not have been a driver update | 00:09 |
| wxl | no clue man. gotta talk to those new-fangled-apple folks | 00:10 |
| mediachicken | the keyboard works as expected, it's just that the fn key is literally not even recognized when I press it in xev | 00:10 |
| mediachicken | haha yeah, hopefully someone in #ubuntu knows | 00:10 |
| wxl | most of us apple people here are all ppc | 00:10 |
| wxl | that sounds like a driver issue for sure | 00:10 |
| mediachicken | I'm honestly trying to switch to linux full time | 00:10 |
| wxl | yay :) helps to have "normal" hardware XD | 00:10 |
| mediachicken | But I've used mac for years at work and it's a hard switch to make as a software engineer lol | 00:11 |
| wxl | i hear ya | 00:11 |
| wxl | but less proprietary :) | 00:11 |
| mediachicken | Yeah dude, I had the idea after upgrading my tower. I decided to install lubuntu on my mac and was disappointed at how lightning fast it ran compared to OSX on the exact same hardware | 00:12 |
| mediachicken | really makes me second guess spending $2500 | 00:12 |
| wxl | heheheheh | 00:12 |
| wxl | yeah and honestly, if you compare the specs, you can get something similar to any mac pretty much anywhere else for far less | 00:12 |
| mediachicken | Honestly I completely blame El Capital. OSX 10.11 literally ruined OSX for me | 00:12 |
| mediachicken | Oh yeah, the Asus Zenbooks have amazing hardware and a 4k screen | 00:13 |
| mediachicken | for almost $1k less | 00:13 |
| wxl | yuup[ | 00:13 |
| wxl | i love how well lubuntu runs on just about anything. i generally use old hardware because it just makes it run so well :) | 00:14 |
| wxl | i get handmedowns from people. you know, borked windows installs and the like | 00:14 |
| mediachicken | Hell yeah. It's not even that I have tight constraints and need a lightweight OS. I just hate all the "eye candy" in most modern OS | 00:14 |
| wxl | i don't MIND the eye candy, but i don't need it | 00:14 |
| tsimonq2 | http://lubuntu.me/lubuntu-lxqt-in-a-raspberry-pi/ | 00:14 |
| mediachicken | I want my DE to be insanely responsive | 00:14 |
| tsimonq2 | just putting that out there XD | 00:14 |
| mediachicken | If it can stay insanely responsive and have eye candy, i don't mind it. But functionality > beauty when it comes to a DE | 00:15 |
| wxl | what i don't like is extra b.s. that's just cludgy. that's my problem with ubuntu and kubuntu (which we use at work). so many features that are largely unnecesary | 00:15 |
| wxl | indeed | 00:15 |
| wxl | i can't tell you the hassles i've had to deal with regarding kubuntu panels | 00:15 |
| wxl | on lubuntu it's just simple | 00:15 |
| mediachicken | I for one can't stand cinnamon | 00:16 |
| wxl | i like plain config files. | 00:16 |
| tsimonq2 | s/simple/simpler/ :P | 00:16 |
| wxl | :/ | 00:16 |
| mediachicken | I've never ran a KDE install before. Makes me more confident in my choice of lxde | 00:16 |
| wxl | my biggest problem with os x is that they freaking RUINED freebsd | 00:17 |
| wxl | it's not like darwin is freebsd + some extra stuff | 00:17 |
| wxl | no it's freebsd - some stuff + some extra stuff | 00:17 |
| wxl | though the man pages for the stuff that they removed are often still lurking around | 00:17 |
| wxl | i like their microkernel tho :) | 00:17 |
| wxl | i guess it's my responsibility to state this channel is for support and is logged. if we want to continue this non-support chat, we'd probably be best going to #lubuntu-offtopic | 00:18 |
| * tsimonq2 nods | 00:19 | |
| mediachicken | ah okay, sorry about that lol | 00:20 |
| mediachicken | well I guess it's permanently on record that OSX is trash now | 00:20 |
| mediachicken | ;) | 00:20 |
| wxl | mediachicken: it's no problem at all, frankly, but it's just better that way for all the people desperate for help :) | 00:20 |
| mediachicken | Well then I will ask something on-topic. If I'm not able to resolve this conflict, how would I assign the brightness functionality to the F1/F2 keys? What command would I add to the lubuntu-rc.xml? | 00:22 |
| mediachicken | and is there a way to remap keys via the same file? Like can I the A keybinding to trigger B? Curious if I could keybind shift+ctrl to replace the fn key (I know it could cause possible problems with hotkeys but not too concerned right now) | 00:23 |
| wxl | mediachicken: if you google around you can find all sorts of things | 00:24 |
| wxl | but tl;dr you just need cli commands to do particular tasks and use the <command> tag | 00:25 |
| wxl | you can do that with xbacklight for example | 00:25 |
| mediachicken | haven't googled the second question but I have googled around a bit for the first question and didn't find any good solutions | 00:25 |
| wxl | e.g. https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?title=Openbox:_Control_Screen_Brightness_Using_the_Keyboard | 00:25 |
| mediachicken | ah okay. I didn't know if there was an alternate to the <command> tag where I could use like <keycode> or something or if everything had to be command based | 00:26 |
| wxl | mediachicken: not in the normal openbox toolkit afaik. you'd have to do some deeper hacking. | 00:26 |
| mediachicken | Ah alright, thanks! | 00:26 |
| wxl | also i kind of doubt the kernel really picks up on the fn | 00:27 |
| wxl | maybe i'm wrong | 00:27 |
| mediachicken | If I search documentation for this file what would I look for? This is an openbox related config and not an lxde config? | 00:27 |
| wxl | but i'd bet that fn-some-key is picked up | 00:27 |
| mediachicken | Hmm, so the fn key is actually modifying the signal before it's sent to the computer? | 00:27 |
| wxl | in our case, openbox is the window manager in the whole lxde suite | 00:27 |
| wxl | mediachicken: that's my GUESS. | 00:27 |
| mediachicken | well using xev on my keyboard returns the exact same result for f1 and fn+f1 | 00:28 |
| mediachicken | guess it really is a driver issue | 00:28 |
| wxl | yeah | 00:28 |
| wxl | and even if that idea was possible you'd have to figure out the right keycode for fn | 00:29 |
| wxl | i don't know if this is helpful: | 00:29 |
| wxl | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AppleKeyboard | 00:29 |
| wxl | maybe fnmode default has changed? | 00:30 |
| wxl | /sys/module/hid_apple/parameters/fnmode | 00:30 |
| wxl | if that's 0 that's probably the issue as it means fn disabled | 00:30 |
| wxl | also check this out https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Apple_Keyboard | 00:31 |
| wxl | you may have to read between the lines but arch usually has excellent docs | 00:32 |
| wxl | my suggestion with their docs is don't just copy/paste commends before you know what they do | 00:32 |
| wxl | and what the original state is | 00:32 |
| mediachicken | Yeah like I said when I change the fnmode of the hid_apple driver it only modifies the input for my built in apple keyboard | 00:37 |
| mediachicken | that's why I was asking originally if it were possible to show a list of the current kb drivers being used | 00:37 |
| mediachicken | because I wanna know what driver my magic keyboard is using | 00:38 |
| wxl | sure | 00:38 |
| wxl | well | 00:38 |
| wxl | hm | 00:38 |
| mediachicken | yeah I googled for it but couldn't find anything useful | 00:38 |
| wxl | mayube it depends more on the available bluetooth profiles | 00:38 |
| wxl | yeah because the driver is for the bluetooth adapter | 00:39 |
| ianorlin | I don't know about apple keyboards | 00:39 |
| wxl | i am just kind of clueless on this one :( | 00:40 |
| mediachicken | So is there a generic bluetooth keyboard driver I could try to modify the settings on? | 00:41 |
| wxl | actually i don't think so | 00:42 |
| mediachicken | I feel like there has to be a way to list connected peripherals along with the drivers they're using | 00:42 |
| wxl | you MAY be able to change the underlying profiles | 00:42 |
| mediachicken | xinput -list brings me the closest but no cigar | 00:42 |
| wxl | but what i'm trying to say is that in the case of bluetooth, the kernel module for the bluetooth ADAPTER (receiver/transmitter) is what's doing most of the heavy lifting, with it talking to the device via bluetooth profiles | 00:43 |
| mediachicken | not sure I know what bluetooth profiles are | 00:43 |
| wxl | yeah | 00:43 |
| wxl | well | 00:43 |
| wxl | this is one of the reasons why bluetooth sucks :) | 00:43 |
| mediachicken | is there a way to modify them? | 00:43 |
| mediachicken | hahaha | 00:43 |
| wxl | yes but you got to know how to | 00:43 |
| mediachicken | hmm so it's not like a generic easily editable config file? | 00:43 |
| wxl | MAYBE helpful https://stackoverflow.com/questions/22265089/bluetooth-profile-info-in-linux | 00:44 |
| mediachicken | So from your understanding of this issue so far, is the best guess that my issue is a driver problem or do you think it's actually a kernel issue or something? | 00:44 |
| wxl | i think it's a bluetooth profile thing | 00:45 |
| mediachicken | Which a driver wouldn't fix? | 00:45 |
| mediachicken | or do bluetooth devices not use normal drivers? | 00:45 |
| wxl | yeah because the driver being used is for the adapter | 00:45 |
| wxl | right that exactly | 00:45 |
| mediachicken | ah I gotcha | 00:45 |
| mediachicken | well I'm learning, and already disliking this whole bluetooth thing | 00:45 |
| wxl | it's like kernel <-- driver --> adapter <-- profiles --> device | 00:46 |
| wxl | it's still in its infancy | 00:46 |
| tsimonq2 | I thought kernel = driver? | 00:46 |
| wxl | no | 00:46 |
| wxl | well | 00:46 |
| wxl | not exactly | 00:46 |
| mediachicken | so if I'm able to modify the profile and make the appropriate changes, will these changes be persistent even if I remove the bluetooth device completely? | 00:46 |
| wxl | that's like saying chrome == a chrome extension | 00:46 |
| tsimonq2 | because isn't it just kernel modules, wxl? | 00:46 |
| wxl | mediachicken: maybe. don't know, for sure. | 00:47 |
| mediachicken | from the sound of that SO question it seems like it creates a profile on pairing | 00:47 |
| wxl | tsimonq2: you can't boot a module, tsimonq2. | 00:47 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: but you can boot a kernel | 00:47 |
| tsimonq2 | and kernel - modules | 00:47 |
| tsimonq2 | s/-/=/ | 00:47 |
| wxl | tsimonq2: right, so a module != kernel | 00:47 |
| wxl | so a kernel = driver | 00:47 |
| wxl | s/=/!=/ | 00:47 |
| tsimonq2 | but isn't kernel = x(module) = x(driver) ? | 00:48 |
| tsimonq2 | (Algebra lol) | 00:48 |
| wxl | kind of, but for the sake of this discussion, it's not useful | 00:48 |
| tsimonq2 | oh :P | 00:49 |
| wxl | example profile mediachicken https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Linux_Guide/Linux_and_Bluetooth#Bluetooth_device_as_a_modem | 00:50 |
| wxl | that page over all may be helpful | 00:50 |
| mediachicken | thanks for the link, I've been doing reading up on bluetooth profiles trying to wrap my head around it | 00:51 |
| wxl | this is also fascinating https://idebian.wordpress.com/2008/07/06/manage-hid-bluetooth-devices-in-linux/ | 00:52 |
| mediachicken | I saw a post from years back about using hcitool to and in his post it showed the apple keyboard in the output, but when I ran it nothing got returned | 00:52 |
| wxl | in there is a patch that MIGHT help | 00:53 |
| wxl | but essentially we're talking hardcore hacking | 00:53 |
| wxl | send it back get a real keyboard; move on XD | 00:54 |
| wxl | i find apple products tend to always have some weird quirk that no one in the industry follows | 00:55 |
| mediachicken | Agreed lol. But this keyboard is my favorite keyboard at this size with the nicest feeling buttons | 00:59 |
| wxl | i hear you | 01:00 |
| mediachicken | I wish I could sit around and be an apple hater, but they do design some great devices | 01:00 |
| wxl | their design department is wonderful | 01:00 |
| mediachicken | Definitely is, I just wish their engineering was up to the same spec | 01:00 |
| wxl | heheheh | 01:01 |
| mediachicken | interesting, so that link you sent is basically bypassing the whole bluetooth profile route by tricking the system into thinking its a usbdevice? | 01:04 |
| mediachicken | Idk if I wanna go to that extent to make this work, but I'll throw it in the list as possible solutions if all else fails | 01:04 |
| wxl | seems like it | 01:04 |
| wxl | but then you're stuck with what you get | 01:04 |
| mediachicken | meaning what? | 01:05 |
| wxl | i.e. if the fn key doesn't work you have no more options to change :) | 01:05 |
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| luckyuser | is the new lxqt usable? | 03:44 |
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| eipi10 | anyone out there? | 07:01 |
| hateball | I am sure there are | 07:02 |
| eipi10 | hey | 07:03 |
| eipi10 | is ubuntu imagewriter the same as startup disk creator? | 07:04 |
| hateball | I do not know | 07:06 |
| eipi10 | thanks for answering anyway | 07:08 |
| pleia2 | no, they're different things | 07:08 |
| pleia2 | startup disk creator is usb-creator-gtk, ubuntu imagewriter is something else I haven't heard of | 07:09 |
| pleia2 | looks like it's launched via usb-imagewriter, but it's not included in supported releases of lubuntu (looks like it was last in 12.10) | 07:10 |
| eipi10 | but I thought imagewriter was usb-creator | 07:11 |
| pleia2 | !usb | 07:11 |
| ubottu | For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent | 07:11 |
| pleia2 | not sure what you're trying to do, but this might help :) | 07:11 |
| eipi10 | I'm putting raspbarian on an sd card. gnome "disks" seems to have worked. | 07:13 |
| eipi10 | seemed startup disk creator didn't like ,img | 07:14 |
| pleia2 | ah, glad you got it sorted | 07:14 |
| eipi10 | btw, how would you go about creating a bootable sd card? (if you haven't had to try it, I'll understand you not knowing) | 07:15 |
| eipi10 | it's just the first time I've done it with a .img file and it seems a lil different | 07:16 |
| pleia2 | when I last flashed my rasbian system I just used the install directions on the rasbian site, may have suggested dd | 07:16 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 07:17 |
| eipi10 | dd? ok | 07:18 |
| pleia2 | command line dd onto the sd card | 07:18 |
| eipi10 | have you used anything other that raspbarian, like Ub Mate arm? | 07:18 |
| pleia2 | nope | 07:18 |
| eipi10 | ok, thx | 07:19 |
| pleia2 | I only have the original Rasberry Pi, so my options are limited :) | 07:19 |
| eipi10 | oic | 07:19 |
| eipi10 | have you ever seen hardware ars? | 07:21 |
| eipi10 | wars^ | 07:21 |
| pleia2 | nope, but it's time for me to head to bed and sounds like a conversation for #lubuntu-offtopic anyway :) | 07:22 |
| pleia2 | have a good one | 07:22 |
| eipi10 | bye | 07:23 |
| amazoniantoad | I just wanted to say that lubuntu is better than ubuntu | 07:44 |
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| rrr | where to enable window selection by hovering instead of clicking? | 13:47 |
| krytarik | rrr: Basically, '~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml', http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Configuration#Focus , and "openbox --reconfigure". | 14:38 |
| dzCN | lubuntu users? | 16:52 |
| teward | dzCN: do you have an actual question? | 16:53 |
| dzCN | are you a developer of lubuntu? | 16:55 |
| teward | dzCN: if you have an actual question you may wish to ask it, rather than ask if someone is a developer or a user | 16:59 |
| dzCN | can Lubuntu be installed on intel compute stick? | 17:10 |
| toshibasatellite | hello... please help me make my lubuntu recognize the USB flash drive | 17:24 |
| toshibasatellite | any expert? | 17:26 |
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| toshibasatellite | Problem: can't see the USB flash drive in document explorer PCMan | 23:52 |
| toshibasatellite | any hint | 23:52 |
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